This is a possible list of new lenses coming at Photokina. If we are lucky we will also get some more of them that are yet not included on the list:
A-mount:
35 1.4(G/ZA)
70-300G II.
E-mount:
16-35mm f/4.0 Zeiss
28-135G Powerzoom
35mm f/2.0 Loxia (already officially announced)
50mm f/2.0 Loxia (already officially announced)
85mm fast prime FE Zeiss (unclear if shown on roadmap or for real)
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Any info about 24-105?
Couple of A-mount refreshes? That’s it?
We don’t know if 35/1.4 is refreshed Minolta or brand new lens
You do know there is a Sony 35mm f1,4G don’t you?
Admin wrote: “35 1.4(G/ZA)”. It means that it may Zeiss, not G, doesn’t it?
Which is more likely, a new A-mount Zeiss or a refresh of the existing Sony G? Not hard is it?
as rubbish as the nikkor 35 1.4??….so weak against the siggy art 35 1.4…..
Wasn’t the Sony 35mm G just a rebadged Minolta anyway?
Regardless, Sony need to upgrade the optics urgently.
Yes and it is rubbish!
It’ll be a new design – the current G can’t compete with modern designs…
basically a-mount looks like its death to me… sad
And what did you expect???
A-mount is very alive, you are wrong
As many a mount users been waiting for better lens upgrade with Ssm / weather seal / internal focusing system. A mount have no more future road maps.
And this suppose to be A-mount year LOL
Dang, only bought a the 70300G 6 months ago :/
The new one is likely to be expensive in comparison.
Probably faster SSM II, new coating and maybe weather sealing if we’re very lucky. 70-400mm II wasn’t weather sealed though, which was a stupid decision.
I might get the new one if the specs and price are right or I might just get the E 70-200 f/4 instead – I rarely need 300mm and I’d prefer the extra stop at the long end.
Not to worry, it’s a still a great lens, so enjoy it.
Somehow I understood that Zeiss would announce 5 lenses, and Sony would announce a lot on their own. Ok, fair enough, although nothing for me..
3 more Zeiss Loxia coming within 6-12 months. I was hoping to see a roadmap from them.
Note that Zeiss itself said officially(!) they would launch 5 lenses back at in Autumn 2013!!!
Are all the FE lenses from Sony going to be Zeiss branded except the kit lens?
based on the first roadmap, The FE Sony’s lenses (non Zeiss or G) are due for 2015.
Actually, the first roadmap indicates nothing of the sort. It doesn’t say what the lenses will be.
you are right. I should have say that based on the grey colors marking of the Sony 28-70 I’ve assume that the grey unmarked slot in 2015 are Sony lenses. but they could also been just empty slot.
I can see why you would think that, but as the roadmap has been updated, some of those grey slots have turned blue (Zeiss) or yellow/green (G). All of them so far.
not sure. the 6 grey slots were there from the begining and still unfilled. There was empty blue and gold slots in the first roadmap and that were fill in the meantime (once turn green for video G lens) but none of the grey turn blue or gold.
I’m hoping not. Would really like a some nice primes (especially at the wider end) in the vein of the A-mount easy choice range (35/1.8 DT, 50/1.8 DT, 85/2.8). Great image quality but doesn’t have to be built like a tank or have weather sealing etc. Build quality and materials like that of the FE 28-70 would be great.
Not to mention the prospect of oss…
Would be nice certainly, but less important to me at the wider end.
General observation – 2 a-mount lenses? That’s not a lot. Is it simply because there are enough lenses already – that cover the majority of the range?
Admin – any more news (however little) on the a-mount cameras? A-mount has gone very quiet – I know that might be because of NDAs but still.
Actually 2 is pretty good going, considering how many we usually see…
How many do people expect to see?
Well the other thread about the two E-Mounts sounded like the E-Mount range was universally hated by A-Mount shooters… and they wonder why more E-Mounts are needed… people are weird.
E-Mount needs lenses more than A-Mount, A-Mount need a few refreshes, namely 20mm, 35mm, 85mm and 135mm more than they ‘need’ new lenses. E-Mount needs new lenses.
I’m sure that A-Mount users are probably wishing for some exotic FL’s etc, but fact is A-Mount is fairly complete for a large majority of users.
Oh and whenever anything Sony is announced the cry babies whinge about how expensive, how they are waiting for 38c lenses with 10x zoom ratio and constant f1.2 or they will switch to Canon/Nikon/Fuji.
I agree.
I am not interested in getting into a flame war about this camera is better than that one & “why oh why have Sony not released x, y or z yet – I’ve been asking for it for 2 years!!!”. I don’t particularly want to hear about “why Sony hasn’t released that sensor yet” either.
I am just wanting to find out if Sony will be updating it’s professional range. Things have just gone very quiet. I know Sony is focusing on e-mount but still.
I have noticed that certain members do seem to be very bitter about the lack of a-mount releases. I just think that people need to be a bit more realistic & professional at times.
Agreed. I like both systems, but I can see why E is a bigger focus than A for now, it’s already a more complete system, the other is 10 months old (well FE). I think Sony has been releasing updates and new lenses for A-Mount as fast or faster than they ever have before, you know even when E-Mount wasn’t around. A-Mount is ‘business as usual’ and E-Mount is ‘rapid development mode’ for a new system.
“Oh and whenever anything Sony is announced the cry babies whinge about
how expensive, how they are waiting for 38c lenses with 10x zoom ratio
and constant f1.2 or they will switch to Canon/Nikon/Fuji.”
We are not whining about the lack of impossible lens, we are complaining about the lack of inexpensive or moderately priced lens that perform well for their cost. With FF Nikon/Canon systems you can buy something like a 85mm f1.8 for $500 or a 50mm for less than $200. They do not perform as well as the more expensive lenses but are often all many people need. The Sony lens lineup is like walking into a car dealership and finding all the models are priced at $60,000 and up.
Sorry but I simply don’t buy this argument. If a system doesn’t have what you want for it right now, don’t buy into it, buy something else.
Buy into another system is exactly what I did, and what many other people have done too. The FF E mount system is appealing in theory but lacks too many options available in other systems. Sony has priced the bodies to sell but needs a few moderately priced lens options if they want the system to be more mainstream.
Many new lenses are needed for A-Mount, not just refreshes.
14mm f/2.8, 17-40 f/4, 24-105 f/4, 70-200 f/4, 35ZA to name just a few.
Or maybe because there is nothing significant being launched.
Assuming the 70-300mm G II and 35mm G are real, the amount of effort that has gone into them optically will speak volumes about Sony’s A-mount commitment.
Just adding a fancy pants coating and upgrading AF is not good enough when the existing lenses aren’t currently as good optically as the competition.
They need to be upgraded optically, given weather sealing and get upgraded AF. All three as an absolute minimum.
If Sony really is positioning A-mount as its professional system, then it needs no compromise professional lenses. Otherwise there is no hope of competing with the big two.
Well the 35mm will likely be a completely different optical design, with completely different AF.
And the 400f4 ?
What happened to the FE macro?
What do you mean? What happened to it?
Have to go for “none” on the poll. I’m an indoor available light guy, so most of them are too slow (even with an A7S). The fast 85 would be a bit too long. The 35/1.4 is good in principle, but it would need a small miracle to beat the Sigma — if it’s as good optically, I think Sony would charge double the money.
I have yet to come into a situation where f2.8 non-IS is too slow for the A7S.
The 85mm is all I want as long as it is as good as the 55mm and not slower than 2.0. Otherwise I wouldn’t pay the high price tag that lens will have.
16-35 FE + 85 fast prime..
Where is my FE 100mm macro ?
Here’s an easy poll, A-Mount 35mm needs updating and supposedly has done for a long time, so a replacement of one of the most popular FL’s ‘should’ rate pretty highly for A-Mount users yeah? Yet it ranks WAY down of votes of what people will buy compared to the ‘slow’ 16-35mm E and 85mm E… and then we wonder why Sony don’t release as much new stuff in A-Mount?
Obviously reader are either a) already sorted in that FL or b) not A-Mount users or c) bit of both.
Still, it’s a reasonable sample of ‘Sony’ shooters, so it already gives a good indication of why their focus is on E-Mount in developing new lenses.
For me simply a case of bad timing coming a little late after I just bought Sigma’s excellent 35mm f1,4 to replace my dead Minolta version.
But I’d have probably waited if Sony had told us officially that a newer 35mm f1,4 was on its way . . .
Well I think they are about to. Which brings up an interesting question (not specifically aimed at yourself, but in general): How long do users think is a reasonable lead time tell users of their product plans? Do you think they should have announced two years ago that a 35mm is coming in two years?
I feel the actual process of speculating about products and ‘rumours’ actually seems to cause people a lot of anxiety, especially when.they don’t come when they expect (even though they are still coming) people assume the sky is falling so to speak. I read of lot of very anxious posts on this site, but it’s never hype or eager build up. Again this is not directed at you personally.
If Sony turned round now & said new lenses in 2 years – people would complain. They did that with the lens road map for FE and people complained (especially on this site). At least however they had a road map for lenses – they showed something.
People complained at the beginning that there were not enough lenses for FE (uh yeah it’s new out & it takes time to develop new lenses). Would people prefer that Sony not release anything for 2-4 years and then release FE with 10 new lenses? From Sony’s perspective that would be very stupid.
Although having said that – there hasn’t been much movement on FF a-mount. Damn there I go complaining about that now.
People will always complain about something. Human nature.
The main point is that at least Sony showed a road map for FE lenses. Yes they did not name all of the lenses – they know what they are, they just didn’t want to let the competition know.
How long will it be before a rival, say Fuji, comes out with a FF mirrorless camera?
Fuji’s APS-C mirorrless costs same as Sony’s Full Frame.
Fuji’s Full Frame will cost like a private jet.
Without the rumours, we’d know very little about the A-mount plans for the future.
The main thing we do hear officially is Sony repeatedly saying they’re not dropping it – maybe they wouldn’t have to do that if they gave a roadmap instead?!
So Sony wants to keep things secret but we need to have information to make decisions, and without that information we have to guess what Sony are up to and I’d have never guessed Sony were about to release an update to the 35mm f1.4.
Other people are ‘guessing’ that Sony are planning to drop A-mount, despite reassurances, and some form of roadmap might be just enough to seem real and stop them switching system?
All I can say – in my case, I could only choose with what was current and so I went with the Sigma.
Well APS-C is already covered by the very good and very cheap 35mm f1.8. Then of course the Sigma 35mm f1.4 is excellent.
Too little, too late for their FF users I guess?
I don’t know about everyone else but I went with the Sigma. Not the lightest and it could be snappier but it’s going to take a lot of beating at that price…
I think that the viability of the system depends upon whether they will be able to offer sharp corners on wide angle lenses or not. The short flange distance of the FE mount is without doubts a critical issue for wide angle and we are still expecting an answer to that question. The two zooms available (28-70 and 24-70mm) aren’t very convincing in that respect.
Let’s see how the 35mm Loxia solves the problem and how the 16-35mm will perform.
I wish there was a similar lens to the 70-300 G for the E Mount. I don’t want to use the adapter as there is no stabilization. The 55 210 sucks @ss & the 70 200 F4 G is just too dang expensive & too short for my needs. There should be an option in between the two.
Sigma have OS A-Mounts in that range.
As far as I know there are no sigmas with OSS for A Mount…
There’re a lot of them, actually. Example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SIGMA-APO-150-500mm-f-5-6-3-DG-OS-HSM-for-Sony-Alpha-Excellent-/400761633167?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item5d4f41398f
There are plenty. 70-200mm, 70-300mm, 50-500mm, 150-500mm, 120-400mm, 105mm Macro, 150mm Macro, 17-50mm (crop), 17-50mm (non constant crop) etc.
I just had a disturbing thought. If the 85mm gets launched at Photokina, that leaves 5 slots in the 15 lens roadmap. We know three of those will be Zeiss Loxia MF. That leaves two slots.
So that’s it, if you what AF. What we have now + the 85mm + two more.
Start guessing what the last two AF lenses will be guys, because that’ll be your lot for a while.
Loxia has nothing at all to do with Sony’s roadmap. Only Fuji put 3rd party lenses on their roadmap.
Please, feel free to prove that.
There is nothing to prove. Zeiss Loxia lenses are not part of the roadmap.
So I just have to take your word for that? I’m not saying they are, but I’ve seen nothing to the contrary. If you have, please link me. Rather than take a high tone, why not educate someone?
Pretty sure they specifically said it in the announcement, but I will see if I can find something explicit so you can sleep 🙂
there is an interview of Mark Weir with B&H (around the time of the last NAB) were he stated that there will be 15 Sony lenses to come by the end of 2015 + the 5 MF zeiss’ ones.
Thanks. I appreciate the information. I was a bit freaked out for a moment there.
It’s all good, you haven’t been the first to say it there are a LOT of people who think these lenses are part of the roadmap. Another indication of this is that Zeiss announced they were developing FE mount lenses after Sony announced the first official roadmap. Additionally there would probably have been ‘some’ kind of indication on the roadmap for the bars ‘occupied’ by Zeiss, rather than blank grey bars if that was the intention from the start.
Ziess Touit lenses didn’t end up on the APS-C roadmap. No other company lenses end up on the Sony roadmap either.
Thank you for a reasoned reply. That makes sense.
Curious whether there is (i) demand for or (ii) anticipation that there will be a Zeiss E Mount FE 135mm ~f/2 prime lens announced anytime in the near future. Ive read amazing reviews for that Zeiss lens for other mounts so curious whether it will be replicated for the a7x lines anytime soon.
A native mount would be welcome of course.
Yes. The 135ZA is the best ever made A-mount lens, and one of the best lenses ever over all brands.
A 135mm FE-lens would probably be f/2.8.
Riddle me this… Will Sony give us a 100mm macro or some consumer level 50mm junker?
Really can’t see mucg interest in a 50mm ff macro, given the number of dirt cheap alternatives… A 90/2.8 that could double as a portrait prime on the other hand might do very well (assuming it’s a G lens with oss).
One thing I noticed yesterday was that Zeiss stated all Loxia family of lenses will share 52mm filter thread, so what aperture would that allow on an 85mm or 135mm for that matter. Not a very wide aperture.
85/1.8
135/2.8
Didn’t think they would be that small, that sounds OK to me.
i think with 52 mm filter thread even 1.8 is probemativ/has to be questioned…..i have doubts i think it has to be at least 58 mm fitler thread or even 62 mm…
i guess it will be 85 2.0 aperture ( iguess all will have 2.0 aperture)…and i dont think one of the three missing loxia will be a 135mm …..i think 24, 85 are coming for sure and the third maybe an even wider (16, 18 or 20) or more tele lens (28 or 100 or 105)…just my two cents cheers
That’s what I thought, around the 58mm size unless they can save space due to lack of autofocus. Also need to ensure sufficient coverage for corner quality, especially coming from Zeiss stable.
My old Contax/Zeiss 135/2.8 lens for film SLR has a 55mm thread, and it’s manual focus with not much fat on it. So 52mm does seems just about feasible for 135/2.8.
Nikon used 52mm filter thread on their manual lenses for as much as possible. The 135mm f2.8 also uses 52mm. So if they can do it, 135mm for Zeiss should be no problem. Question is, does Zeiss want to do a 135mm. As the Loxia line seems to be based very much on their ZM line, ZM doesn’t have a 135mm. They don’t even have a 85/2!!! So I think you can forget about it for now. On the other hand, Loxia is not for RF but EVF, so 135mm would be indeed interesting. But I don’t believe we see it anytime soon.
The belief that Sony is trying to replace all its differrent mountst with only E mount is rampant…both with consumers and 3rd party lensmakers who are wisely very reluctant to make new products for Sony.
Economically such a move makes sense..but they are doing it wrong.
Sony needs a fully compatable adaptor…such as an LAEA5 with built in optical stabilization….or an E mount with IBIS and fully high speed focus compatable with E mount….or a A E hybrid camera….or any FULLY compatabe method to go from A to E mount.
The fact that Sony is making this radical transition and not including us..long time Sony/minolta customers is an insult and a discrace.
Sony hears what we say here even if they dont listen…they dont read every comment but have a general idea ..
A mount users should speak out..every day..in every post..on every forum..to make sure sony knows our frustration…and to make sure consumers dont buy products that will soon become useless just because Sony wants to force us to buy new products we dont need.
I want to choose for myself what lenses I buy and use..and still be able to use the latest technolgy….note that A mount still doesnt have …2 years later…Sonys latest most advanced sensors.
A laea5 with stabilisation? Uhm, how should that work!?
Tamron has a patent for a .9-1.5x teleconverter with buiIt in optical stabilization.
It seems very unlikely Tamron will ever actually buid it.
Sony should license this patent, combine it with an LAEA4 and produce an LAEA5 with built in optical stabilization and zoom teleconverter.
To make this even more usefull the could even add adjustable barrel extension to work like an extension tube thats available whenever needed.
So another lens behind my lens? Thanks, but no thanks. Not for image stabilisation. Maybe for other reasons would be OK for me..
ffs GIFs don’t work.
Agree with your perspective.
A LA-EA5 with OSS would be welcome.
Currently I am happy with v4.
But I think we have a problem with the market demand mostly set by the unambitious masses to get every year or half year something brand new.
Exactly before Photokina 12 the A99 was announced, and now two years later it is still an outstanding tool if you have the right glass for it.
So why bashing Sony for not releasing a new pro body? It is not that I don’t want something new, in fact I don’t really need something new.
Imo they should also concentrate on accessories.
Sony is introducing lots of new E mount products with new technolgy and excluding A mount users.
Please don’t.
If you don’t need any new products, don’t buy any. Just happily use what you have.
ive considered trying the laea4 to have access to some a-mount but havent yet looked into it. whats it missing in functionality/whats wrong with it (besides no built in stabilization? is a.f slow? light loss?
The only real drawback is that the laea4 is a bit chunky (compared to the Metabones EF adapter) because it houses an SLT mirror. The Laea3 is probably smaller (I haven’t handled it) but slower.
An a7s + laea4 autofocused better than my a99 and I think it has a few additional AF points. If you take it on and off a lot, one has to be careful to not touch the mirror.
ah, thank you for the answer. the only af adapter ive used so far is the metabones mk2 w the canon 851.2..and it makes me wish id bought the fd version and saved a grand..so i probably incorrectly assume they are all like that.
“An a7s + laea4 autofocused better than my a99 and I think it has a few additional AF points.”
Really? I thought it had the same 15-point AF as the LA-EA2 – the same as the system in the A55/A57 etc.
I looked up the specs, you are correct it has 15 not the 19 of the a99. Perhaps they were spread a little further.
I conducted a test with it in low light and it focused quickly & decisively. This may have been more due to the sensitivity of the a7s versus the a99’s sensor (which I find hunts too much in moderate to low light particularly if using one of the side AF points).
I am using the LA-EA4 on my A7R because I have the whole ZA/G range of A mount.
It works very well, and improves the AF speed (but don’t expect wonders) of the A7R including adding some focus points.
I don’t know if an adapter with a built-in image stabilization is even possible… isn’t it lens-specific?
See my reply to Lafote.
A patent does’t make it automatic good! I don’t believe in the idea at all. Probably work but good- NO?
You dont get it!
This is one possible solution to the problem that A mount users are excluded from all the new technolgy that is going excluisively to E mount.
If Sony engineers are not capable of making an LAEA5 that works good they are certainly capable of making another solution that does work good.
Isn’t the simplier solution to make A99-II with all new technology, rather than producing such a complicated adapter?
By then 36mp sensors will have been around for more than 2 years and possible E mount will already have a new 54mp sensor.
I do want Sony to keep A mount….but they are doing a lousy job of convincing consumers or third party manufacturers that they indend to do so long term.
A fully compatable conversion systen will provide the necessary LIFERAFT when and if the A mount ship sinks.
Why stay for a liferaft?
If Sony decides to screw its users, screw them, move to Canikon, right?
It’s not a football club, it’s a photo company…
They HAVEN’T done this so far, though. Maybe by New Year they’ll release the A99-II and it’s amazing and has A7S’s sensor and great AF and everything.
If by then we’ll get another bunch of E-Mount rumors though…
I absolutely agree that the lack of image stabilization with the LAEA adapter is an issue they should address either in the adapter itself or in the body of the cameras.
But apart from that, I don’t agree that Sony is not including the old customers in the transition plans.
They actually stated several times that E-mount is part of the Alpha line, and that A-mount lenses are part of the same ecosystem, via use of an adapter (LAEA).
That’s probably the reason why no longer lenses have been made for E-mount, to incentivate the use of the A-mount ones which are already available. So this is including owners of A-mount lenses in the transition plans.
Putting aside the LAEA-stabilization issue for a moment (that needs a solution): if you already own lots of A-mount lenses, and want to change camera to one with the latest sensor, just get the adapter and a mirrorless camera and you’re set? Would be the same as getting a new A-mount camera no?
Plus suddenly you get the option of additional more compact lenses, and a much smaller package to carry around.
If the LAEA-stabilization issue does not get resolved, it would be a matter of losing something to gain something else I guess: compactness. If that’s a viable tradeoff would depend on the single persons.
Not only do I beleve an LAEA5 or some other stabilzation solution is necssary to provide a painless transtition for A mount users…but I also believe a similar…LAEA4 or LAEA5 type…. device should be available for Canon and Nikon mounts.
That isn’t going to happen.
Lotus
You seem to read all my comments and provide unsolicited negative comments.
If…… as you have often said….you find my comments to be worthless than you should ignore them and/or not comment.
Otherwise at least mix up your constant negative comments with an occasional positive one or two.
I assume the IBIS is located around the sensor, so how can it be inside the adapter? And I also find it highly unrealistic that either Sony, Canon, or Nikon would work on an Canon/Nikon adapter for a Sony mount. As Lotus Eater said, that isn’t going to happen. I don’t find this very negative, actually I find the existing adapter offering by Sony already quite impressive (and I am eyeing on the EA3 myself right now).
This is not IBIS but OSS optical stabilzation system.
Two lens elements shift in relationship to each other to compensate for camera movement.
If this were to be part of a .9-1.5x teleadaptor than two of the elements would move to provide the stabilization.
At .9x it would work like a mild speedbooster…at 1.5x it would work like a powerfull teleconverter.
Canon an Nikon versions are a differrent issue…there are currently 3rd party adapters so licensing issues could possibly be worked out.
Do you know of any external optical image stabilizers existing? The problem may be that the stabilizer must be specific to a focal length. For instance, it may be that Canon could not simply take the IS module from their 70-200 and plop it into a 16-35.
No…only 2 patents that I know of…the Tamron patent I described and Nikon has a patent for a similar device that screws onto the front of the lens.
I just said it wasn’t going to happen, which it won’t. If you think that is negative, then fine, but you are not in any position to dictate what I do and do not say.
If you don’t want negative replies, then don’t post here, or at least try to rein in some of you more outlandish ideas.
We both know that I will not modify my comments just to avoid your negative ones…but even your negative comments will carry more wieght if you mix it up with occasional positive comments.
Try something good to say once in a while..it cant hurt.
Yes, we all know that Barry. You seem unable to learn from your mistakes.
I do post positive things. If I don’t reply to any of your posts positively, then maybe you should consider that you don’t actually post anything that could be responded to in a positive manner. Have you considered that?
Unfortunately there are too few A-mount users to really make it worthwhile Sony’s time. IMHO the breaking point was the too high price point of the A99. I guess it was too high production cost. The high price just was crazy and killed the A-mount FF market share. Now with e-mount Sony has a much better chance to make a dent in the FF arena (and it seems they can produced quantities much cheaper).
On the other hand, it won’t cost Sony much to keep the A-mount on life support. And after all, the lens line up is also not too shabby. And some day the A99II will be here, and that gives them another 2 years, and so on…
A mount generates more profit than E mount and is 18% or so of Sony user base…that is not at all insignificant.
Furermore extenting the LAEA4/5 to Canon and Nikon lensed will expant that userbase enormously.
As for Sony desire to sell native E mount lenses….expanding the userbase to more non E mount users will definitely expand E mount lens sales because when users WANT TO buy new lenses they are likely to PREFER lenses that don’ need an adaptor…EVEN THOUGH SONY HAS NOT FORCED THEM TO DO SO.
Maybe you see it that way, but Sony would be the first major camera manufacturer to actively open up their mount to other major manufacturers. So would be nice, but I would bet a lot, it won’t gonna happen.
The profit, well, how do you know? E-mount is for sure growing faster. Most A-mount lenses seem to me low volume business and the mirror-less cameras, well, they for sure save cost on the mirror : ).
It’s a little bit difficult to understand the lens release priorities as set.
The 35G is imo absolutely necessary to be replaced. The 70300G, hm, the 85/135 Zeisses would be more welcome in SSM version, as well as the 100 macro.
Regarding FE there are mainly two lenses missing – a fast tele prime and a macro.
Hopefully they’ll come up with some indication.
I think one of the lens on the roadmap is a 90mm.
I know that many are expecting a tele prime with max 1.8.
I’d be more happy if it would be a macro with maybe f2 or f2.8
I wouldn’t be surprised either if it is the tamron macro 90 rebadged and modified a little.
Nope.
It’s rumoured to be a G macro, so doubt it will be a rebadged Tamron with modifications.
A-mount
Add:
85/1.8
100/2
200/2.8
70-200/4
17-40/4
14-24
35/2
24/1.4
New:
35/1.4
20/2.8
100/2.8 macro
Good luck with that.
Sounds more like a wishlist
the dream is free
Yeah, but one question interests me: Would you buy all these lenses if they would come out (and meet the quality standards)? 😉
Are you really aware of what is available and what is reasonable?
Let me just review your list realistically:
85/1.8 – we have the 85ZA14 and the SAL85/2.8, no market chance
100/2 – the existing 100/2.8 macro is going to be replaced in future
200/2.8 – no market chance
70200/4G – lightweight telezoom will be the renewed 70300G2, so no market chance
1740/4 – the SAM1855II is serving this request
14-24 – we have the 1635/2.8ZA so no market chance
35/2 – the 35/1.4G is going to be renewed, so no market chance
24/1.4 – we have the 24/2ZA, so no market chance
My “no market chance” means that Sony would not sell enough pieces to make it profitable.
Well 24mm f1.4 will be filled in by Sigma. 14-whatever also sigma and Samyang. Agree about the rest, a lot of those lenses were discontinued when Sony took over from Minolta, they paired back the line to actually make the system profitable.
3rd manufacturers are part of reason why some lenses wouldn’t be profitable for them.
Exactly, much easier for 3rd party to make one lens for many mounts, than a smaller brand make one for one small mount.
one remaining problem with 3rd party lens and accessories is still/always the af issues (working as fast as native lens with af, accurately/appropriately etc.)
If they -sony- dont want to develop own native af mount lens for the named fl due to less profitable, already options out there then they have to guarantee and prove that the 3rd party lesn work as best as possible and would not be “destroyed/banned” by FW updates (in the future)…
Let’s review some of YOURS…
85/1.8 – There IS space for an f/1.8 non-Zeiss, mid-priced 85mm
70-200/4 G – A-mount users want a genuine Beercan replacement. A 70-300 G2 is not it. 70-200mm is a bread and butter focal length, but not everything wants or can afford an f/2.8 version.
17-40/4 – I think he wants a FF UWA, not an APS-C kit lens replacement!
Agree to the last one.
So this one would be needed besides the Zeiss.
Btw, capitalisation is shouting.
I indicated “realistically” and explained in addition the “no market chance”.
So where is the room for a non Zeiss 85 prime besides the 5 third party variants which are in the price region expected?
Same goes for a 70200/4. G branded (and Sony wouldn’t make a SAL) it would be around one grand Euro. Thats around the price region of the Sigma/Tamron f2.8 pendants. So, what do you think how many 70200/4 would Sony sell?
I didn’t said lenses like this would be useless, I meant that Sony is likely not going to design them because they wouldn’t sell enough pieces to recover R&D (not talking of profit).
Thats the lenses that should have been added YEARS ago.
+100000
for A-mount we need :
14-24mm/f2.8,
24mm/f2.8,
28mm/2.0
35mm/f1.8,
85mm/f1.8
100mm/f2,
200mm/2.0
for FE E-mount we need:
14mm/3.5
16-35mm/4.0
18mm/2.8 or 20mm/2.8
24mm/2.0
28mm/2.8
60mm/2 macro
90mm/1.8
135mm/2.5
200mm/2.8
Since we’re dreaming here, I’d rather have them release:
8mm Circular Fisheye
14mm f/2.8
17-40 f/4
24-105 f/4
70-200 f/4
85mm f/1.4 SSM
135mm f/1.8 SSM
28-300 SSM
Where is the macro?? This should be urgent.
It’s still on the 2014 roadmap so far as I know.
Well, A-mount is already superb system considering the quality of new Sigma and Tamron lenses. Sigma 1,4/35 makes great replacement for old Minolta/Sony 1,4/35. FE mount isn’t something I would like to go in, I’m quite happy with Alpha 900 and would only consider new A-mount DSLR with 12Mp sensor optimized for low noise as well as new A-mount DSLR optimized for landscape with 24-36 Mp sensor. Don’t like SLT and EVIL too much.
So I guess the ZA 135 SSM update is off the table and that rumor is not coming true.
I thought we’d have a price update by now.
How about the rumored 400/F4? And a renewed 300/F4 would be great as well. All for A-mount of course.
E mount 85/1.2G 24-70/2.8G 70-200/2.8G please
Not going to happen (unfortunately). Those lenses will be way too heavy for the body due to the lens diameter that is required.
FYI:
Sony and Zeiss both use optical resin for their lenses (except Zeiss lenses with decades old T* coating which only applicable on glass, Zeiss’ HTF coating are used on their lenses with optical resin)
That’s why Sony kit lenses are so light. the heaviness in Zeiss or Zeiss branded lenses is from the metal barrel.
So, it is not an issue to make lighter and faster lenses, maybe its just that Sony doesn’t have HTF coating and Zeiss doesn’t have electronic tech for zoom lenses or optical tech for tele+zoom lenses(Zeiss doesn’t have any zoom+tele lenses)
Well, but the camera is not too heavy for these lenses. I’d be in for a 85mm f1.2 (but totally happy with the f1.4 on my A7 otherwise).
they wont be heavy at the 1st place
yes sony and zeiss use hard resin = polycarbonate = PLASTIC! optic on their lenses. but only zeiss has HTF coating. Zeiss branded Sony lenses doesnt have proper coating so theres massive purple fringe
The 16-50 can take a serious beating and never shows any signs of wear. I hate plastic- but Sony’s polycarbonate I find to be really good.
It and the A77 are both absurdly tough for plastic.
I have used the A7 with 80-200/2.8 and 24-70/2.8 ZA and the balance is just totally wrong and gone compared to, for example, the balance with the A900.
Whoa whoa whoa!
Where are the A99-II, the 24-105 f/4 and the 135 f/1.8 SSM??
Agree!! Where are they?? Admin, do you have any additional information?
Been asking that for a while.
The last rumor (on SAR) we had said that the a99II might not be announced until 2 months after Photokina, release next year. Andrea was checking that.
Apparently there has been more recent rumors about the a88 but I have not seen any of them on SAR.
For the moment no other news & yes I am still waiting 🙁
But to keep you going – Sony is about to release a pink QX10!!!
Great. My professional photography is going to increase in leaps & bounds.
Whoo, yeh much flag waving.
Where is the 50mp new camera?
hmm…. just one question…. where is the promised FE macro lens ????
What happened to the 400mm F4 A-mount??? All this hype earlier this year that Sony was going to go after the wildlife crowd. This lens was mentioned numerous times. And we wait……
It’s coming to a Photokina near you. Its probably the worst kept secret in Sony imaging history. Olympus already starred that they were designing it for Sony.
In regards to the 70-300mm
I would be interested only if it were better than current 70-300 lenses….possibly f4? and I would want good close focus at the long range..possibly 1/2 or 1/3 magnification ratio.
I already have two differrent 70—300 lenses but if the lens is like I describe I am intersted in buying it.
If its just another same old 70-300 not interested.
It would also help to know A mount will have the latest technolgy sensors or that A mount will be included in the E mount tranition….LAEA5 with optical stabilization.
Otherwise I it would be foolish to make such a risky investment in the A mount system any more.
When are you going to switch systems? And when are you going to realize that you have Zeiss 24, 50, 85, 16-35, and 24-70? If you had those options, why would you buy anything else? It’s the only reason I see for even buying into Sony. If Sony didn’t have Zeiss glass and designs I would have never bought into E-Mount. Their lenses otherwise are crap and they clearly don’t listen to all that people want (though I can’t blame them because most people want the most ridiculous things that are so close to what they have) not update their products very often or well for that matter. Why do you want a new lens that you have two of? Why do you need macro updates when there are a bunch of them? Why stick with a system that gives you, what seems, nothing you want? Why not go Nikon with a D800, their new 80-400, 60 and 105 macros, Zeiss Makro-Planar… It seems they have everything you want.
Also what’s with the 54MP sensor that you want, seriously? Why do you want something so damn big that isn’t MF? I just don’t get it. I have a D800 and an a7r and I would never want something bigger than that.
The focal lengths for E mount are all only wa, normal, and portrait…all totally useless to me as I shoot almost all teli-macro and long.
As for when and if I switch that will to a large extent be determined by what new stuff everyone comes out with.
As for 54mp the technology is there even without new tech.
The a77 sensor in ff would be 56mp.
Exmor R is much better suited for higher res…in fact the crrent exmor R sensor used in the latest cybershot camera if made in full frame would be over 200mp
54mp in full frame is not at all excessive…in fact it would be slightly less pixel density than the current A77II.
I will upgrade to a new lens when they meet my needs better than what I already have…plus my longest lens stopped working…AF burned out…so I am m ok st definitely shoping for a replacement.
Best candidate so far Tamron 150-600 but I want to see if Sigma comes out with a better 300-600.
As for the 70-300 I am only interested if it is substantially better than what I have and does good close focus.
If you’re complaining about the 70-300mm G-Series you’d be the first person in history to try to disparage a lens that is best in class.
This is one of the lenses you need to back away from, because there are professionals on this forum that use this lens regularly, and will burn/shred your comments at the drop of a hat.
That is a n A mount lens…. my complsint was about the E mount tange…in facy I stated that if that lems met certain criteria I wiold be interested in buying one.
Sorry to break the news to you, Barry, but I’ve tossed in the towel for the time being on Sony. I’ll probably still hang around SAR but I bought a nice used Nikon D800 which arrives Friday and my first grey market lens for it arrives today. I’m hoping to play around with it this weekend. If I’m comfortable with Nikon’s body vs SLT and find FF a direction I want to explore further, I’m going to take a deep dive and pick up a couple more used/grey market lenses.
The plan is to use this equipment for an upcoming once in a lifetime trip I’m going on to South/Latin America. If the experiment fails, the prices I’m paying are so close to/at what I can realistically get selling it all back on eBay I can return if Sony ever does something interesting in a-mounts.
I know you’re in deeper with Sony than I am so I feel your pain. I see Sony contented on pushing consumer-grade compacts (both APS-C and FF) and niche FFs. Putting together an a7, a7S, and a7R you don’t get much more than an D810 and I’d argue the D810 is better in almost every use case unless you have weak wrists or want to take pictures in a closet with an a7S. The low-light performance on the D810 I’ve seen for stills is pretty amazing and the D800 is barely a hair less.
My next camera will either be a used D810 in 2015/2016 if the Nikon thing pans out or an a99II if it ever comes to fruition. I wouldn’t expect an a99II until May 2015 which misses a number of photo opportunities I plan.
Good luck with it…I am waiting to see what my choices will be and all options are on the table for me.
Sony has plenty of excellent performing lenses we tend to forget about, because the Zeiss lenses are far more exciting than the plain old a-series, or the older g-series lenses.
The Sony 50 macro, 100 macro, 70-300mm, and 70-400mm are absolutely great lenses to work with in the field. I recommend them for current a-mount users.
And let’s not forget that Barry is always ranting, and raving about what Sony should or shouldn’t do. He’s comedic relief.
When am I going to switch to Nikon? This weekend.
Yeah, I’ve had enough of Sony for now. Not making grand pronouncements of swearing off Sony forever or anything radical. I plan to keep my APS-C SLT system. If Sony ever does anything interesting with an a99II which probably isn’t coming until at least May 2015 I’ll reevaluate my position.
That said, I picked up a very nice used copy of an Nikon D800. Obviously, I’d much prefer a D810 but I picked up D800 lightly used by its amateur owner. It’s priced in the ballpark of a used a99 making it a no-brainer. I’ve order a grey market 24-70mm f/2.8 which is IQ-wise on par with the best-of-breed Nikon version plus has solid IS. The price I’m getting is close to used so I’m confident I can dump this gear without taking a bath. In fact, I may end up even. I’m also eye-balling a Nikon 70-200mm f/4 used or grey market. IQ is a bit better (e.g., no lens breathing) than their highly regarded 70-200mm f/2.8. All of these lenses edge out Sony glass though, of course, I could pick up Tamron equivalents which are on par IQ-wise in an a-mount. My only issue is picking up something longer and/or getting a 1.4x (or 1.7x) teleconverter.
I have a once in a lifetime trip to South/Latin America planned and I really would like to experiment in FF. Sony, quite frankly, is a loser in this space. Sony seems obsessed with consumer-grade and niche compact products, not serious systems covering most photographic use cases.
The Sony 70-300mm G-Series is an incredible lens, and its best in class. You should already know this unless your claims of being a superb wildlife photographer, are exaggerated.
Unless you don’t own one then I really do feel sorry for you.
A 70-300 is usefull in zoos and for close up animals and such a focal length would be highly usefull as a macro lens…I currently own 2 different ones.
This is however way to short as a long lens for bird and wildlife photography.
I also never used the word suberb in describing my photography.
Since I use my photographs strictly as referrence for my artwork the quality of my photos..as photos is not an issue…what I reguire is extreme detail and the highest possible resolution.
Although in many respects I look for the same qualities in a good photo as a conventional photographer would in many other cases I do not.
For example when I shoot for my composition referrence my concerns are similar althogh I can ignore distracting or unwanted elements in the photo..as I will not paint th ok se…plus I can add or m ok ve elements to improve composition when I pain…I can even ignore the background and only use the subject.
I then also shoot extreme close ups of every possible detail of the animals anatomy seperrately..often taking as many os several hundred shots of each subject in each pose when possible.
I then use the best elements of multiple shots for my final subject..I also often stitch multitple shots or build a mosaic when stitching is not possible.
Naturally a single image with a lot more detail than possible with current cameras would make a huge differrence in both how much work I need to do and the quality..a term I define as complience to my standards..of my images.
Most people here do not have the resolution standards I do and do not understand what they consider as an obsession with resolution on my part.
They have no idea of the huge amount of work I have to do to compensate for the lack of a higher resolution camera.
None of them
I want 35 1.4 ZA FE
There’s 35 f/2.8 ZE
f/1.4 is not going to happen
if the 35/1.4 is zeiss, then I may just adapt it to the FE mount, provided it has the famous 35/1.4 distagon rendering. Either way I highly doubt it will be an FE mount since there is already the 35/2.8 FE and 35/2 Loxia
None of them probably. I have the A6000 and:
16-35mm f/4.0 Zeiss – I have the 16-70 f/4 and I do not expect this new lens to be so much better to accept the complete overlap with my current lens. Corners benefit most (FE on APS-C), but that is not enough for me to buy this.
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28-135G Powerzoom – This one has an odd range when used on crop and it is a powerzoom, which I am not a big fan of myself.
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35mm f/2.0 Loxia (already officially announced) – the Sigma 30mm f/2.8 is close enough for me, I am sure the Loxia is much better and a great lens, but do not need it.
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50mm f/2.0 Loxia (already officially announced) – the Sony 50mm f/1.8 is good enough for me, same reason as with the 35mm Loxia.
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85mm fast prime FE Zeiss (unclear if shown on roadmap or for real) – this is the only one I might be tempted to buy. Have been longing for a prime like that on APS-C for some time now. But just like a year or two ago when a 85mm was rumored to be released soon for APS-C, this is again the most uncertain one of all lens rumors.
Well, given that you have the A6000, you already have a reasonably fleshed-out lens lineup, and the only major one missing is a dedicated portrait lens I’d say. While the 16-35mm will work on your A6000, it’s an ultrawide really meant for the FF cameras, and the comparable lens for you would be the 10-18mm. It doesn’t compete against the 16-70mm you have in any way.
I have that 10-18 and it is a great lens. Also not mentioned before: I do have the 19mm and 60mm Sigma lenses as well. The 60mm is good for portraits, but I would like a fast 85mm as well because there are circumstances I cannot get close enough to the people I like to take portraits of.
Sony has a Zeiss 24, 50, 85, 135, 16-35, 24-70. I’m really not sure why they need so many more updates to A-Mount, unless it’s a ZA 35. Maybe I’m too interested in quality and quality updates, but I don’t see why anyone would invest in Sony if they weren’t buying Zeiss lenses. Makes no sense to me.
Because of the SLT technology, for one. Lenses – Canikon have all the same, which are on par or better than ZA, and they don’t screw their users. Unfortunately, they don’t make SLT cameras either.
“Maybe I’m too interested in quality and quality updates…”
That only makes you sound like an elitist snob. There plenty of reasons to use invest in Sony, you just can’t see them.
Lenses such as the ZA 135mm & 85mm are due for an SSM update.
As for why “invest in Sony” and not buy a Sony ZA lens – not all consumers “invest” in cameras, some need a camera for family photos and not all people have the budget or need for $1500+ lenses. Camera systems should accommodate consumers of multiple income brackets.
With the current release announcements from Sony, I have to admit I am not seeing anything professional at all. The cameras at IFA seem to be gimmicks rather than something that can be used by professionals.
Please note: I am not saying I am a professional but for the last year there have been announcements for the FE line, the E line and very little for a-mounts, which by Sony’s own admission is their professional line of cameras. Yes they are bringing out video cameras for the cinema pro users but nothing for a-mount.
This comes over as a bit odd since I thought they want to take on Canon & Nikon – the no.1 & no. 2 in the market. The impression I get is that Nikon & Canon will both be bringing something out at Photokina – Sony, who knows.
Yup apologies it’s another person ranting on about the lack of a-mount but for a company I thought wants to push into the more professional market they seem to be doing very little about it. Yes they maybe keeping quiet or stemming the leaks about it but this is odd.
Since A mount cameras a prehistoric for me so:
1) Non of A mount lenses is interesting… Sigma has perfect 35/1.4 if you need it
-A-mount 35mm f/1.4
-A-mount 70-300mm G II.
2) Non of FF E lenses too
E-mount 16-35mm f/4.0 Zeiss – I already have 10-18/4 it’s super light and compact and do it’s job on crop very well for its price
E-mount 28-135G Powerzoom – huge and dark, hope A7s owners making only video will buy it
3) Non of manual focus lenses interesting for this crazy price.
E-mount 35mm f/2.0 Loxia – I had Samyang 35/1.4 and very old nikkor for 1/2 and 1/6 of loh price
E-mount 50mm f/2.0 Loxia – samyang has much cheaper and lighter 50/1.5
4) Never buy overpriced and dark lenses for FF E mount. If it would be ordinary SEL or SEL G lens for example 85/1.8 OSS with price around 500$ I’d buy it even for crop camera, but not zeiss FF E 85 for it’s let me guess maybe about 1200-1400$. No never never never
E-mount 85mm fast prime FE Zeiss
Why Samsung has 85/1.4 lens for it’s NX series mirrorless cameras without something crap logo like ShniderKruzenacht and sell it for about 600-700$? But sony want to sell and get an extra margin for zeiss logo on it?
Hope sony will continue to develop defferent kind of crop lenses like samsung did with 16-50/2-2.8 and 50-150/2.8. Because crop cameras sells in much better amount than FF…
Samsung products, seriously?
Pre-historic huh? A mount lenses are like a fine wine- gets better over time.
It is E-mount that performs at a dinosaurs pace. 🙂
Yes, in terms of usability mostly. Size of this cameras is relatively big compared to E mount and usability in terms of focusing and operation controls. I’d better select 2011 year NEX 5N than A850-A99 for shooting portraits simply because with 5N I can use touch functions to select focus points anywhere on frame, while A850-A99 has a limited amount of focus points and with some body-lens combinations can tend to miss-focus much more…
I tried it on myself with A850 and 5N. A850 was sold with all my lenses including 16-35 85 and 70-200…
Oh No !!!! Where’s FE 24-105 /F4 ?!
Releasing these A-mount lenses will give Sony a perfect excuse: “We released new lenses for the A mount but you didn’t buy them. So we won’t invest in that mount any longer.”
What about the FE macro G lens? And the 5th 2014 FE lens of the roadmap?
Poor A mount, it got so neglected over the years as the E mount grew. I always wanted sony to build a good 35 1.4 to replace that old overprice G, but I guess the Sigma 35mm Art fits that niche perfectly.
One of my issues with the sony A mount was that there are so many great zeiss lenses but they’re all $1000 and up, and there aren’t any amazing cheaper options. Canon, for example, has a great 40mm pancake, Nikon has a brand new 35mm 1.8 for $600. Sony A mount kinda misses these bargains.
I would buy right now a 24mm/f2.0 or 135mm/f2.8 with like quality and price range as the 55mm/f1.8 FE.
I would like to see Sony to a few more lenses than cameras…
I would like to see Sony to fix the slow startup after sleep (I’ve missed many moments because of that) and the soundering shutter in 7r.