The same source that shared the ILCE-7 (A7) E-mount camera info also told me that Sony will launch one more RX camera…the Sony RX10! There are no specs yet but it’s easy to guess that this camera will be placed in between the RX100MII and RX1/R and use an APS-C sensor. But unlike the two other cameras the RX10 will have strong competition:
Fuji X100S:
Amazing sensor and superb hybrid EVF/OVF (specs and pricing at [shoplink 21062 eBay]eBay (Click here)[/shoplink]).
Ricoh GR:
Extremely compact and low price (specs and pricing at [shoplink 21061 eBay]eBay (Click here)[/shoplink]).
Nikon Coolpix A
Compact camera with fixed lens (specs and pricing at [shoplink 21063 eBay]eBay (Click here)[/shoplink]).
Canon PowerShot G1 X
Compact camera with zoom lens (specs and pricing at [shoplink 21064 eBay]eBay (Click here)[/shoplink]).
As you can see there are plenty of alternatives and the RX10 has to stand out in “something” to compete against them. I hope this will be the first RX camera with built-in EVF. Now let’s wait for sources to tell us more about the RX10…
In summary: The next (soon to come) Sony announcement could bring us the new NEX-FF camera, the ILCE-7 and the RX10!
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185 Responses
Ooolala, this could be the one…
Zeiss 16-70mm zoom lens, same size if not smaller than the original NEX 3, optical stabilization, and for me it IS the one. Perfect lens fit, size, and performance for what I could physically get in something that small.
Finally! I hope it’s a short zoom.
My guess is a prime with an optional wide converter.
That’d work too. 35mm with a converter to 24mm would be awesome for me.
I was going to suggest the same.
If it goes for the 35mm equiv FOV, it will have strong competition.
But, if it goes 28-50 f2-3.5 then we could be really talking!
Even if the lens protrudes a bit like the Leica X whatever.
Who’s with me?
I am for 24-35 f2.8. Put in some high resolution sensor, so you can crop down to 50mm and done 🙂
2.8 constant would be nice, but I really want it to reach to 50.
50 is my 11 and I want my dials to go to 11.
Me too. A 50mm equivalent would be perfect to me. And please add an EVF Sony..
@Marco
I doubt it will have a built in EVF.
I think the RX line is shaped to accept the EVF module.
I feel some relief on this because:
1) EVF improve over time so its nice to have the option to update that module
2) Cameras also improve over time so its nice to update that and not complain they are “using the same EVF as the last one…come on!”
However, I would like to have a non plastic-shoe EVF, or a non articulating EVF, or a more sturdy attached EVF (say, you build an little something rails around the hotshoe to better secure EVF/OVF whilst keeping a standard hotshoe in place)
Hendrick you have some good points here, still I think that a good EVF, placed on the left, would be nice and in a year or two I would change the whole camera, instead of buying a better VF (new ones are good enought to me).
Obviously a Companies prefers to sell separate bits, to have a higher profit, and I don’t blame them.
@Hendrick
1). Sony can release new EVF as they do with firmware upgrades — by releasing newer body.
This is from the RX1 developer interview about why no EVF was included:
Oshima: Photographers generally have strong feelings as regards viewfinders. Some swear by optical viewfinders while others can’t live without their electronic versions. Furthermore, some people like to switch between the two depending on the situation. We could have incorporated a built-in viewfinder, however we were unsure what type would be best. So we decided to let users decide and offer two types of optional viewfinders.
>This is from the RX1 developer interview about why no EVF was included:
>So we decided to let users decide and offer two types of optional viewfinders.
So users can choose between two types of uncomfortable viewfinders 😀
@ Slingers -> Fuji found a solution, hybrid VF
i think that either a fast 45 or 24-70ish range if its a zoom, i’d be surprised if it was another 35mm equiv prime too, theres too many of that already plus theres the rx1 already
Agreed. Most of my “estimates” are just wishful thinking based on my own needs.
Why EVF with a fixed lens? OVF would do better here.
@Dave
“OVF would be better here”
Better for what? Standalone VF do quite a bad job in framing, there’s no way to estimate focus, there’s no way to estimate exposure. EVF do everything with very high precision. So what OVF can do better other than to show the scene in the way human see it. The latter is quite pointless, because in the end we will have the scene captured by sensor anyway.
So, could you describe, what precisely OVF better suits in?
Of course it would, apart from all the benefits of EVF.
@Emacs
OVF has better night vision and clearer view. But I agree with you on your points. In the end it’s just a subjective preference.
But OVF’s also could be sophisticated. I’d prefer a OVF with a focusing balance to show distance and direction to estimate focus. Modern CMOS sensors could provide that information by displaying it into to OVF, that could safe battery life while the EVF is a second screen that needs to be fed by battery (and another tech part that needs to be upgraded after progress made the former obsolete, especially for you tech addicts). There were times, long long long ago, where a Rangefinder did the same and photographers knew what they are doing. But you young guns want high tech replacing brains and experience. I doubt that’s the same fun there was.
Exposure could be displayed like it is displayed in DSLR’s.
Sony pushes EVF’s because they are cheaper to produce than a good OVF. It’s the margin not the quality Sony is interested in.
“OVF has better night vision and clearer view”.
No it doesn’t, it really, really doesn’t. Have you actually used a modern EVF? If you had, you would know that isn’t true. It is possible to easily compose through an EVF in conditions where it would be almost impossible with an OVF.
Honestly, your post makes you sound like a luddite and the less said about your condescending “young guns” comment, the better.
True. There’s a time when OVF is better, but night time photography is not one of them.
@ lotus eater
Sorry for that, I did not want to be condescending, I did not know that the this dispute is dead serious.
If only you would try out the finder of a Zeiss Ikon. That provides a view I doubt EVFs will ever reach.
And besides, I wonder what kind of pictures you take, under conditions a OVF would fail.. in complete darkness?? 🙂
But you are right, I once had a Sony DSC R1 with EVF and since then I never experienced a EVF again – will do it soon, if I get the chance, I am curious now.
What am I going to do with the luddite?
@Dave
EVF is clearly better in night, thanks to signal boosting: it main be grainy or sluggish, but it is there, where for OVF you would only see a darkness
Clarity? Well, again, it is how your brain percepts visual information, not how the sensor renders it.
@Dave I’ve seen a Zeiss Ikon and I completely understand how you can be attracted to that. But it would simply make more sense for Sony to go with an EVF – size, cost, functionality (we are comparing here to a non-TTL viewfinder, which comes with its own set of disadvantages). Even Fuji went with a hybrid VF and not only OVF.
@Dave
You are luddite because you consider modern EVFs inferior to OVF without even trying. Just go to nearby photo store and try a77 or nex7 or other camera with large EVF for at least 5 minutes. Just to know difference between old R1 and modern EVF.
Also EVF can show you live histogram, exposure correction, white balance etc in real time, not after you made a shot and reviewing it. And it is very very useful when using manual focus with focus peaking and possibity to zoom certain parts of frame for precision focusing.
OVF size and brightness are constrained by optical laws, while EVF not. You can’t get bright fullframe sized OVF on crop, but you can get comparable EVF.
@ Vlad
Thanks Vlad!
Against main stream in this blog, all I want to say is, that OVF’s have it’s own potential and should be engineered to the needs and standards of todays modern mirrorless cameras. On paper there are clear advantages for EVF’s, but as a photographer I doubt these technical advantages are that important and come up to the quality and imminent impression of the view through an OVF.
@Dave EVFs will reign sooner rather than later, but there will always be a place for an OVF. I just hope that it won’t end up like rangefinders (yes, I mean the pricey Leica here). Hopefully, manufacturers will wake up and provide proper OVFs, equal to what the OM1 had. Put a neat overlay on top providing all the info you need (live histogram, etc.) and it will be something many would pay big bucks for.
But you should definitely try an EVF, if you haven’t already. I’d suggest an A77 or A99, they provide the best experience, imho. I have a NEX-7 and while it uses the same EVF, it is not the same. Probably something to see with how close it is, I don’t know, but it is more capricious to your eye placement. It is really convenient to be able to review the shot or to see the histogram or horizon level. without taking your eye off.
@BRB
I just tried the Fuji X100S. I see a difference between OVF and EVF in favor of the OVF. It’s a short first impression only with personal bias. My decision against EVF is also based on relatively poor battery life with EVF cams and some prejudice that the more tech stuff there is the more risk of fail goes along with it. Your point with focus peaking with MF-lenses is good though, this would be a reason to have an external EVF for my DSLR and my Zeiss glass. Finally it’s personal preference and my conviction, that OVF’s would have more potential although more expensive.
@ Vlad
I will 🙂 , I had no reason so far with my cam to look for improvement. But I am interested in a smaller mirrorless cam and I am eager to change my opinion.
But an OVF with overlay would be better…. :-))))
Sorry, got to run, must heat my steam-engine…
Look what I found on Fuji Rumors
kamaran12 hours ago | Reply
this hendrick guy is a total troll. he goes around every site and says things like this and even worth in some cases. his mum or his sisi may be sleeping with Sony’s executive so he wants to show sony’s chief that he is so proud of what he is doing to his sisi by helping him to do free trolling for him. have you heard me Hendrick and go back to SAR site? trash.
+1000 Kamaran
Wow. I don’t go around other forums….
I just found that comment. I never say “bah”.
There is another Hendrick going around here as well.
Then, for a time, there was a Hendricked who signed -Ed.
Then before that there was a guy called Vivek who used to comment on every comment I made for no apparent reason.
I wonder if this Hendrick somewhere else is the same bellend trying to discredit me.
@hexx
Why would you think I am the one posting?
well, I don’t know any other sony die hard named Hendrick – I owe you an apology if it wasn’t you
I don’t consider myself a die hard fan. I can see why I may come across like that but I consider the RX and NEX cameras the better choice for myself.
I’ve used Contax, Canon, Nikon, Olympus in the past. Contax is the only one of those that went to 11. I had digital Nikon and Canon and I praised Canon for having a steel pair when they released the 5D2. But after that, they dropped the ball for me and Sony and Panasonic looked more daring. I went Sony because the sensor was bigger and because it was the only mirrorless at the time to have a 35mm FOV available. As simple as that.
PS: no need for an apology.
Also, the X100s lens is the same as X100. I don’t know about the exact distance where people say it becomes soft. I only know that where I read that comment they were speaking of portraits.
have you tried registering your name?
@syl: In this world there are many people whose name are Hendrick and every Hendrick has the right to post comment using his own name.
I think it would be wise if you do some homework before accusing this Hendrick to be the same Hendrick who is trolling in other forums.
I feel the need to speak up for Hendrick as he is among one of the very few that I actually read his comments and take his words seriously on SAR.
Thanks, man.
I really don’t get why I am the target of people that try to discredit me.
Hendrick I think you are a target because you post a lot of facts on here and have responded to the trolls many times. Just curious, If I was to google your real name would it return a pic of you in hospital?
Googling my real name would turn a pic of me in a hospital?
I agree with Varn (Thanks for the support!).
RX-1 Rulz!! Deal with it!! ha ha
Grow up man. Seriously.
Get a pair of testies and say something of your own.
With a MANUAL Zoom
I’m Hendrick!!
The other alternative would be to go completely bombastic and make it a 50mm FOV f2 and make that lens BOOM!
I’m with your here !! There are enough wider options, now give us 50mm to play with !!
No, there aren’t! I want a 24mm! 🙂
Vlad you’re being greedy, lol ! The Coolpix A gives you 28, which is very close to your 24, but the X100 only delivers 35, which is further from my 50 dream. Time to be a gentleman and campaign for that 50 along with me 😉
Haha, you can’t imagine how much of a difference I see between 24 and 28, but you do have a point. I might enjoy a 50mm option.
When I got my Canon 24mm L for my former 5D, it saw a lot of action.
It was really competing with the 35mm in terms of work time.
I, personally, feel that if Sony brings a 24mm APS-C camera, very tempted but very fearful for my own photo applications. I somehow see 24 as a very competing focal length on my brains.
That being said, if it was to kick ass like the 35mm sonnar and it was f2….have mercy on my wallet.
A 50 is non threatening. It’s like having pick up truck next to your roadster. It’s useful.
haha +1 , i wish for an wide too! preferably around 21mm for me 😀 it’ll be my pocket landscape cam. but i know it probably won’t come because its not the most popular focal lengtg 😛
@Pb I would prefer a 21mm, but as you said that’s way too far-fetched 🙂
256mpx or only 32mpx ?
😉
“The next (soon to come) Sony announcement could bring us the new NEX-FF camera”
-> I just can´t wait for this !!!
Hope its a fast prime
But which prime?
I’d like to see to a poll about that.
I’m guessing the RX10 is going to be a junior version of the RX1, so it’ll be a Zeiss 24mm (36mm equiv.) f/1.8, or maybe an f/2 to save a bit of size.
But that would be like having a “me too” product and the RX line has so far been about “we can do this” show off tech.
Hence why I doubt it would be a 35mm equiv FOV.
However, if it was a 35mm FOV 1.4 to clearly differentiate itself from Fuji/Nikon/Ricoh…then maybe. It would only be a hit if the lens wide open would be BETTER than Fuji’s lens wide open (and without the close focus softness issue) and if so, it would be priced slithgly higher than Fuji but not too much (like $150 or $200 more) to differentiate its value in the market.
35mm FOV and f1.4 would be awesome, but I doubt Sony can do this while keeping the camera small. Then again, maybe they go the RX100 route and take a lot of optical compromises and handle them in software.
Compact with APSC sensor sounds interesting and when will it launch???
wow, there sure’ll be lots of cameras from sony this year, seems they were pretty serious about pushing hard on their imaging division
YES, just in time! no AA also please.
If it has a 2x zoom with moderate fast aperture like a 16-35mm F2.8, manual controls akin to the RX1, a hi-res EVF, fast and reliable focusing as well as at least some basic weather sealing, this could actually breath some fresh air into the market.
But my hopes are probably too high up…
16-35mm F2.8 in unrealistic as that will make the camera larger than Nex-6 (much larger actually).
The idea of RX series always has been a very compact cameras with unmatched image quality of the size.
It may not be larger than NEX 6, because of the specialty built design like the RX1 and RX100.
Exactly my thinking. They can partially build this lens into the body. They can also make it retractable shaving some more lenght from the overall lens size. As far as I remember, the mirrorless design is supposed to make smaller lenses easier to design. And lets face it, a 24-50mm FF equiv isn’t that big of a hurdle. The Nikon 24-50mm FF lens with AF wasn’t much larger than the Sony NEX 18-55mm kit – like 1 cmm longer or thereabouts, but yes it was slower.
Besides I’m only stating my preferences. A 18-35mm would be fine as well, as well as a max apperture of F4 – as long as it’s sharp wide open and has IS. I’m also not looking for a very tiny camera – the size of Leica’s X Vario would be fine! …for a F2.8 zoom that is 😉
That should of course read:
As far as I remember, the mirrorless design is supposed to make smaller WIDE ANGLE lenses easier to design.
I hope for a collapsible 35mm(equivalent) lens with at least f2.0, Integrated EVF, flip-screen and integrated ND filter.
I hope for proper successor for Sony R1 camera. APS-C, 24-120mm equivalent lens, hot shoe.
Yep, that was a great camera.
That would be a huge comeback!
But size is very controversial today so what are the challenges to overcome to have that much zoom range in an APS-C camera whilst keeping with the RX new ethos of as compact as possible.
The main competitor to the RX10 will be the NEX.
zoom or prime?
They should make more of these RX cameras. In the time of film, there were countless compact fixed-lens options providing great quality. Time to have those back.
Of course the RX10 will not be anything like its competitors, because of miniaturization Sony is known of. It will either have fixed lens but be much smaller than any Fuji or Ricoh (possibly as small or smaller than the RX100) or have a great zoom lens and not be very big even with this lens. However I think it will have a fixed lens and it will be extremely compact, in order not to compete with the NEX series.
I would chose either X100 or Ricoh GR over RX10 hands down. I am fed up with Sony controls.
Yes, because the X100 was renowned for its intuitive controls and menus.
I’d much rather have one over the RX10, because the very detailed specs released for Sony’s new camera show that it just can’t compete. It’s bound to suck, just like the RX1 and RX100, right?
Finally!!! crossing my fingers… for a SR5
Not really interesting, at least for me. We already have NEX. NEX + 16-50mm or 20mm or 16mm is basically what it would look like.
+1
While you can have a fast 50mm FOV with NEX 6 and 35mm 1.8, I don’t see why Sony wouldn’t introduce an optically phenomenal 35mm f2 in a compact RX that is as good as the Sonnar 35mm RX1 but in APS-C for half the price of the RX1.
Imagine a FF next of about the size of a NEX 7 or slightly larger and add the leaked 35mm f/2.8 lens.
Now look at the RX1, which is smaller than the NEX 7, has a lens that is smaller than the leaked 35mm f/2.8 lens and yet a stop faster.
This should tell you that even if a suggested RX10 covers a range similar to say the 16-50, the camera can be made smaller and yet with larger apertures.
That should read “FF NEX”
Except, there aren’t any options for a decent, fast 16mm lens (24mm eq) on the NEX nor is there an affordable 24mm (36mm eq) on the NEX.
Hip hooray. I hope for a zoom 16-50mm or a prime lens at 16mm or 18mm.
If more a portrait prime e.g. 50mm or 85mm it is not for me.
Releasing multiple fixed lens cams is also an option, like Sigma DP Merrill series. But make sure they are cheap.
Hopefully we’ll see the new 32MP sensor in this one.
I hope they make it 24-85mm with a not so fast lens to make it smaller
And a version with a fast prime for street photography lovers.
Put the new IBIS in it for videos and you have a great great compact.
Electronic image stabilization is used for videos. It works much more efficiently.
IBIS is for stills.
Big RX100 body or small RX1 body?
I want a small RX1.
Not too much smaller. I still had to add the RRS grip to my RX1 because I had issues holding it properly at very slow shutter speeds (1/15 and lower)
If it was 2mm smaller in each dimension I would be ok with it. It should please the bragging people (look at the most compact APS-C cam EVER!)
I would still buy a grip for it, though.
Sony, make a grip like the RRS grip.
Even better, Sony, make a grip+cage like the REWO cage for the NEX 7 minus the rail mount. It would be so hot!
The RX1 is already tiny. Why would you want one smaller? Secondly, much smaller, and it becomes physically impossible. A FF sensor is already taking up a huge footprint in that body.
Look at what I was replying to. I had only two choices.
Annnd…I suppose you are correct. I would have said the same, within those restrictions!
RX100 – sized body, with fixed lens.
The G1X lacks of an AF that is terribly slow, and movie mode is very poor.
The Nikon A lacks of extreme vignetting, its minimum shutter speed and movie mode is very poor.
The Ricoh GR is doing well, except for the very poor video mode.
The Fuji 100S lacks of its minimum shutter speeds and its poor video mode.
Sony has already a big advantage with its superb video capabilities à la RX100.
If they can manage decent stills capabilities (fast AF, min. shutter speed, proper exposure, color repro, ISO capabilities, decent series shooting speed) it will surpass the closest competitors.
And – fixed focal length would be fine for me, otherwise it would be difficult to compete in IQ.
Agreed, they have enough to differentiate themselves. Still though, it’d be nice if they really knock it out of the park.
the Fuji is a great tool for street photographers … I don’t care about video.
I agree, but many people do, so it might become an important differentiator for the overall market.
bingo
Video is very important
The video-“mode” of the x100s is the only thing keeping me from getting one.
As I said, this camera is more for photographers as for video shooters. The interaction design is different to a Nex 7. It would be nice, if the 100s deliver better results for video shooting, but as I understand this camera user experience … it is more for photographers … it is made for them.
“The Fuji 100S lacks of its minimum shutter speeds” – i thought that X100S has this the same way as X100 – I don’t have X100S, only X100
You forgot to add that the X100s lens is also not very good optically wide open, especially at close focus distance.
if the lens is the same like the one on X100 then it’s not as good at wide open at very close distances and only then -> I’ve done a lot of captures with X100, it’s been my only camera for around a year when I was trying to live with one focal length only. And it can be a bit ‘soft’ at f/2 and distances less than 50cm
The Fuji 100S lacks of its minimum shutter speeds? In comparison to which Sony camera?
I’d buy it for a fast-ish zoom-ish lens like to original Panny LX3. Say, 16-40 f2.8-f4. Anything with better numbers would simply be too large for a coat-pocket-able camera.
What if Sony decides to slap a really good competitor, with better IQ and of course a better price, to Leica X Vario? 🙂 I personally won’t buy a zoom camera, I’d prefer a 50mm equivalent choice, but it would be funny and interesting to read comparisions and comments. 😉
Wouldn’t these compete against the new wonder “lens cameras” from Sony? Too many cybershots.
Personally, I am saving up for that watch camera with 20 gigapixel sensor and a 100X Zeiss zoom. Wearable gadget is where the future is. 😉
Get a life!
RX-1 Rulz! Deal with it! Ha ha ha
Hi VladHendrick, nice to meet you! I am DanDoesntKnow.
LOL
As a result we will get one of the two:
Nex5 + PZ1640
Nex5 + 35/1.8
Without EVF!
Honnestly…
The Nex series reached a certain level of maturity in terms of performances/size (nex5-6-7)
That I think we will be disapointed by an RX10
When the RX1 came… People asked for NexFF
When we have NEX APSC… People ask for RX10.
>When the RX1 came… People asked for NexFF
>When we have NEX APSC… People ask for RX10.
The reason for FF NEX is to mount any FF lenses (which are plenty) to it.
While APS-C lenses are of fewer choice and are much more often electronically coupled (hey, can I use m43 or Samsung lenses on NEX? please-please) so benefit of interchangeable optics is small, but increase in size/decrease in quality due to need to have bayonet mount and focal plane shutter is large.
Don’t we all want a RX10 with slow zoom and no viewfinder? 😉
How about a 12-24 UWA zoom.
Would be nice, too. But i think that would appeal to less people than a prime or a longer standard-zoom.
A 28-50 mm equivalent would be street photographers dream; something like a 18-35 f 2.8. Should not be big and if combined with nice EVF and trinav control competition would have to be worried, not the other way round
RX1 rulz!
Deal with it! Ha ha ha.
I guess I owe the displeasing comments on that Fuji site to you.
Why don’t you get some thoughts of your own and try to contribute something to the community instead of trying to discredit me?
Grow up.
Why post negative comments about me. You know I troll this site day and night, it’s what I do. Oh photography, nope.
Grow up and get a girlfriend.
The fake Hendrick is Dan.
Confidence level = 99%
SR5?
SR5.
Nope, not me. Remember, my character likes both Alpha mounts, but just “reports” A-mount is dead, dead, dead. I do like the name DanDoesntKnow, so please keep it with regards.
Dan
Damn. I guess even an SR5 can be wrong once in a while. 😉
This could be the attractive seller for the holiday season for Sony on the enthusiast front. It will be priced at a point that is within average holiday budgets and will be available during the Christmas season. But I think the biggest seller is that it will be one step up from the preception of a simple point and shot, and that is what enthiasts are looking for in an all around carry camera. I, like many of my friends have created make-shift versions by taking old NEX 5N’s and adding 16-50 collapsibles and wrist straps. It has become very popular.This may be a hit, but it will be sensor dependant, to be sure.
I agree – sensor dependent issues are the biggest hurdle.
+1 to the genuine Henderick.
My guess 24mm f/1.4 prime.
Certainly not… :#
Noo, than i must buy one!!
Sony could have made advantage by making RX10 waterproof, but this won’t happen
So, this should be one of the first incarnations of a new 32MP sensor, right?
Anything else seems unnessecary and have an direct match in the NEX line up.
And as such it would have to compete with NEX with price, and that makes no sense at all.
So, having 32 MP, how much zoom-range can you design and still deliver 32MP over most of the zoom range? And how fast can you do it and still get reasonable quality?
It is not an easy compromise to achive, and still make it attractive on the market.
Maybe a really fast&wide prime would stand out, but if so, maybe it should be packaged with a 12MP low light monster.
Or do pixel binning from 32 to 8MP, getting full color pixels from the sensor.
Anyways, every potential buyer will have a lot to compare with, so the value proposition will be very tricky!
Could be 20MP as well.
Yes, but at what pricepoint would it be a real alternative to a NEX 6 or 7?
And/or with what lens?
It should be:
*Compact
*No EVF
*Hotshoe
*Some zoom 20-40mm ish
Then I have my first underwater camera.
24-50 or 20-45 fairly fast woudl be right up my ally for a scuba cam sice i priced out a housing for the A65 and then ports for lens and strobes and and and …..
RX10 and a ok housing might only cost me 1200$ and woudl not be as cumbersum in the water
Isn’t it also likely that an RX10 would actually be lower than an RX100, like the QX10 with the QX100?
Actually yes, that makes total sense.
Makes sense
If they just make what Leica tried with the Vario X, but right, it should be fairly successful…
I think 28mm equivalent to compete with the GR and the Coolpix A. If they made it f/2, I think they’d get the market. f/2.8 and it’d just be another coin toss.
A 35mm equivalent would cannibalize their own RX1 sales.
Rx-1’s market is way up to be touched. If anything, Sony is giving people who desire RX-1 but otherwise don’t have the budget, an option to spend their money on Sony’s product. But that’s just my personal opinion.
This could be the attractive seller for the holiday season for Sony on the enthusiast front. It will be priced at a point that is within average holiday budgets and will be available during the Christmas season. But I think the biggest seller is that it will be one step up from the preception of a simple point and shot, and that is what enthiasts are looking for in an all around carry camera. I, like many of my friends have created make-shift versions by taking old NEX 5N’s and adding 16-50 collapsibles and wrist straps. It has become very popular.This may be a hit, but it will be sensor dependant, to be sure.
Why do you post the same thing over and over again, buddy? Do you think it makes you more important? (intentional double post)
Sorry, my posts duplicated.
Owning a Sony Nex-5 (first gen), RX100 as well as a Fuji x100, I see a more than valid point for the likes of a RX10. Sizewise hopefully more of a Nex-5N than a RX100 and a focal range of 24 to 50mm at a constant f2.8 it would compete in the entry level DSLR class where most users seldom upgrade their kit lens (and prefer to shoot in live view anyway). Priced above a nex 6 with kit lens (due to the decent apperture) but below the x100 it could be a enthusiasts point and shoot dream cam.
Although I would kill for a something like a APSC dual focal length (24mm,f1.8 & 50mm,,f2.8 – no zoom, make it a switchable focal length) RX10 with a fully articulating screen… but that’s just me dreaming 🙂
The easiest lens to design is a 50mm equivalent lens. Just scale down 50mm f1.8, make it collapsible.. RX-100 sized camera with APS-C inside.
LOVE the idea of a super fast 50mm equiv collapsible lens on a compact APSC body. That would be a camera that would give a lot of people a lot of joy I recon. Me included.
I have the RX100 and it’s got a lot going for it. I’m not too interested in the NEX cameras because of the lenses but this series has huge potential if they can develop it and keep the idea of the range clear.
And again just ignoring any news about sony nex 7x. Why dont you just write in your post that you dont have new rumors about sony nex7 and let the ppl know?? You were talkin about it months ago but now no word about it. Lots of ppl here are asking for nex7x news and your just ignoring.
Gashi, I think we are all in the same boat. We want it, or at least we want news about what happened. If only someone could tell us the exact date the release of the camera!
Dan
Don’t forget the spec
I love this comment from DPReview in their overview of the OMD EM-1 today.
“Four Thirds is dead. Long live Four Thirds”
“As well as representing the highest-end Micro Four Thirds camera yet, the E-M1’s role is also about offering continued support for users of the original Four Thirds system. Olympus created some very nice lenses for the Four Thirds system, but the company struggled to make enough impact in the market to justify the cost of continuing development for both systems in parallel.”
Sound familiar. Yep, I’m sure Sony planning came to the same conclusion and then said A-mount is dead, dead, dead.
Dan
“A-Mount is Dead, Dead, Dead.
Just a gear-head, head, head.
I also wet my bed, bed, bed.
Be-cause I-m….
Paranoid about a cam-ra mount
When it goes away I scream and shout
Thinkin’ ten years down the road
When I should be out takin’ pho-o-tos
A-Mount is Dead, Dead, Dead.
Just a gear-head, head, head.
I also wet my bed, bed, bed.
And I am….
Spammin’ up the boards at S-A-R
Ramblin’ bout cameras at the bar
Gettin’ myself into a tizzy
Till I make everyone around me dizzy!”
Dan, Don’t worry. DanDoesn’tKnow, doesn’t know. I am on your side. I wet my bed thinking about lens mounts too.
Sweet, now I’ve got a follower too! LOL.
Dan, do you get a dollar for every time you say A mount is dead?
Yep. From Pentax!
What’s Pentax?
Oh, you mean Ricoh. That guy who cleans the pool.
hoping for…
– aps-c sensor w/o anti-alias filter
– pdaf
– 35mm-e f/2 lens w/image stabilization
– built-in evf, rangefinder-style
– hot shoe, no built-in flash
– wi-fi
probably 32-mpx apsc sensor, a la the new A7 sensor? I expect so.
lol
all are waiting for this, they say…
but as soon as it get released
– i wanted a 50mm equivalent i pass
– i wanted a 35mm equivalent i pass
– i wanted a zoom i pass
– i wanted a prime i pass
– i wanted EVF/OVF/HVF/whatever i pass
– i wanted a compact one i pass
– i wanted a better grip i pass
– i better buy a nex so i can change lenses
as always 99% will NOT get what they wanted and will wait for the newer version (that also will not be what they wanted) lol
i think IF sony release the rx10 with an aps sensor, will only release one to be in the party, so they had an option in every segment of the market, but will be a so so camera, not much money or resources to develop it, dont expect any revolutionary, just to fill the hole in the market.
but i doubt sony will release one, they had came out with surprising things lately, the rx10 will not, it has been expected for a very long time, you think if sony had any interest in that segment of the market had jumped long time ago, even be the first one, but again, could be a sony joining the part lately, will not be the first time.
Another useless camera. I would like clasic A700 and A900 successors only, no SLT.
And I would like a money tree. Actually, I’d like two. But it certainly seems a waste of time longing for something that you know with 100% certainty will never ever happen.
Well, well, anything can happen. Do you think that A77/A99 can achieve that market share that A700/A900 achieved starting from “zero”? If these two SLTs fail, Sony leaves A-mount in year or two just like Olympus did with their older mounts. It’s clear, isn’t it?
I use an A700; it is a fine camera, but it has been superseded by MUCH better Sony cameras, in every respect. Should Sony go backwards? Not on your life!
Some things are better in new cameras, some things are worse. I need very responsive camera with built in stabilization and sensor able to give good results in the night.
I’ve found 16Mp A580 sensor to heat more than 12Mp A700 during prolonged exposition and producing odd flares with the same lenses that gave excellent results on A700. So I sold A580 and keep only A700… I don’t think that any APS-C SLT camera from Sony can give better results than A580 as they heat all the time. So they are far, far away from my needs.
As I use raw images and Adobe software to achieve best results, jpg engine of A700 that is not up to date doesn’t matter for me. I’ve imported some raw files from A77 to compare results and – sorry – they are not up to what I achieve from older cameras.
Similar problems show when I compare A900 to A99. I haven’t seen any difference on lower ISO images, even liked A900 colours better. A99 is better than A900 over ISO1600, but I would have to change flashes, memory cards etc. and miss ZONE matching. So it doesn’t make sense to me to buy A77/A99 at all. I keep A700/A900 perfect pair until they last. i think they are built good enough to survive decades 🙂
I too still keep an A700 at home…more of sentimental thing. NEX-7 just makes miracles in comparison in every possible way – sports, landscape, low light, portraits. NEX-7 is just miles and years ahead.
Added Sony can never hope to make D700 my other DSLR. It is just tons better DSLR than sony or Minolta could have ever dream of building.
So I do not see any reason for Sony to make more mediocre DSLRs.
Jusy build what is needed fantastic NEX and RX and may be ILCE and may be SLT cameras.
A700 lies great in hand and is very cheap for quality it gives. I can comfortably take pictures at 1/4 s thanks to built in IS with fast or wide angle lenses. I can comfortably use 500mm telephoto for distant objects like woldlife or planes. And sensor still works really good. It’s one of best cameras in terms of price to possibilities ever produced. Of course 12Mp APS-C sensor is not that great like Nikon D700 – but you can always achieve very good results in ISO 100-1600 range. I too know NEX-7 is really great camera, but with its discussive ergonomics, without built in IS and ability to carry 400-500 mm telephoto is definitely not better from A700 in many aspects, sorry.
Maybe a high res camera (+30mp) with a super sharp prime….?!
From another site…..
Reporting from Perpignan, one of our good friends in the biz was enjoying the usual wine and sunshine with photojournalists from a French agency (or two). Turns out that right now there’s an RX1 with interchangeable lenses, just what we asked for when the camera was first seen at photokina, roaming the night-time streets of Paris in the hands of no small Magnum name.
The body is exactly the same size and the mount is thought to be a modified E-mount with additional contacts to enable the silent leaf-shutter and iris action which is the hallmark of the RX1 as a ‘stealth’ shooter. It’s possible that the RX1-N (not necessarily its name) lenses will fit other E-mount bodies, but existing E-mount lenses won’t fit the new mini-Leica-style body. But it may also contain a focal plane shutter, as there is such a high potential demand to retrofit Leica M and other vintage lenses to a full frame body of this size.
More we can’t say. The two international press agencies testing the camera right now are keeping very quiet – just like the camera. In fact it’s hard to imagine the RX1 becoming as ‘noisy’ when fired as a NEX (and they are pretty silent when first curtain electronic shutter is used). So a completely new, or partially compatible, mount may be involved. It would be quite fun though if it turned out that over 30 years after the end of the Minolta CLE, a decade after the demise of the Konica RF, and fully 55 years after Minolta’s first abortive bid to make a Leica M body system camera… that Sony put a plain old Leica M mount on the front instead.
I am dreaming of APS-C w/ a 5 stop 16mm, 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 70mm prime/zoom equiv to 24/35/50/75/in essence a Zeiss quint Sonnar or Tessar–with any reasonable aperture. W/EVF. W/hot shoe. 16 ounces max. Same size body as RX-1. $2,500.
A one-piece wonder–Leica X-Vario killer.
HYBRID OPTICAL & ELECTRONIC VIEWFINDER PLEEEEEAAAAASSSSEEE! 🙂
buy the fuji!
RX-10 with Zeiss Sonnar 50/1.5 for portraits
RX-10 with Zeiss Distagon 14/2.8 (21/2.8 35mm eqv.) for Landscapes
My preference for an RX10 would be the following:
APS-C sensor
23mm (35mm equiv) f/1.4
Built in EVF
Same size as the RX1
Price it at $1300 or less and they’d have a winner. Same price as the X100S, but swapping the Hybrid VF for a 1-stop faster lens.
35m fixed at least 2.8 if aps-c or 1.8 if 1″. 1″ with the rx100II sensor and a 35 equivalent f/1.8 price a bit lower than the rx100II and also a little slimmer that would be my dream. I would buy it immediately.
but aps-c and not bigger than the ricoh grd would be very ok as well.
I don’t need a viewfinder.
I really want this to be awesome, I’m looking to rid of my A77 and get something more portable, i just dont use my A77 because of having to lug it around…on the verge of buying the rx100 II in the meantime.
Any updates on the RX10 admin ?
I hope sony will amaze us with a new sensor and lens combo that pushes what people can expect of an APSC sensor, just the way they did with RX100 and “smaller” sensors.
Hay, admin, any news ?
Please, geave us our coke : some news informations about Sony RX-10.
Thanks 😉
I did not receive more info than I posted.
Thanks for the reply.
Soon some news, I hope.