I got a confirmation from a highly trusted sources that Sony set the release date for the A77 successor. It’s going to be released in early 2014. The source also confirmed that this will be a full mirrorless A-mount camera (no SLT tech). I am working on the specs right now and hope I can get confirmation from other sources too soon. I have been told it has a slightly new design too (still DSLR alike).
P.S.: The A77 will be announced along a Full Frame A-mount cameras (also mirrorless).
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117 Responses
Sony has to provide “very early pre-order” option – I would reorder such camera year ahead 🙂
I’m very interested to see how well the AF works and if third party/legacy lenses will still work…
I wonder how well spread out the AF points will be on the FF version?
And what of the “slideshow effect” in hi FPS modes….?
Interesting times!
+1
I can welcome good EVF. But AF capability is still a key.
But if this really work, i might sell out all short lens of a-mount, to wait for ff-nex version .
I think the minolta lenses would work some of sonys lens are just old minolta lenses with new coating and cheaper body.
But most Minolta and all third-party lenses will be s-l-o-w to AF and that’s the problem.
Since Sony has a poor selection of Sony lenses people rely on Minolta, Sigma and Tamron to fill the gaps. Sony have condemned those users to slow AF on these mirrorless bodies.
I’ll be sticking to my SLT.
Why would it be Slow? It still must have PDAF
On-sensor AF is adequate for taking photographs of statues I guess. But I’ll stick with the SLT and my third-party glass that Sony can’t be bothered producing themselves.
@AlphaGuy
Did you miss the boat, where cameras started featuring on-sensor PDAF? NEX-5R is a prime example. It is already good, but if they improve it further, it should be no different from dedicated PDAF on SLT/SLR cameras.
@Stan
The NEX AF performance is appallingly bad.
Said like a man who has never used an NEX.
I have the NEX-5R you idiot.
What qualifies as “good enough” autofocus is of course very much subjective and depends on what one shoots. I wouldn’t personally be able to stand birding/sport/action photography with a NEX (or at least, I’d revert to manual focus).
People who buy the higher grades of SLR form-factor cameras tend to be among the more demanding when it comes to autofocus, so Sony are setting themselves up for quite the backlash if they haven’t markedly improved on sensor phase detection.
90% of photographers would not stand bird, sport photography at all to begin with.
Unfortunately all my alpha lens are SSM derived (except 135za).
If Sony is working hard on tele lens, such as rumored 400/4, lets hope Sony really has Mars-technology & confidence . I also hold my 50za’s plan, to see what surprise we could received.
The older NEX cameras use Contrast detect AF (CDAF), while the newer ones like the NEX 5R and 6 used a hybrid Phase detect (PDAF) and CDAF. All the reviews so far indicate that the hybrid system is pretty speedy (even Ken Rockwell thinks it is fast and tracks subjects well).
They are speedy compared to a compact. That’s the point. Against my A77 the AF is a joke and it will be on mirrorless A-mount cameras using non-Sony lenses too. Get a clue guys ffs.
Exciting news and I really hope this won’t turn out as another Pentax K-01 story!
the issue with the K-01 was
1. bad design
2. aimed towards the growing mirrorless market with the wrong package (those looking for a mirrorless were getting a big box with less juice compared to a full dSLR instead of a small package with smaller lenses)
3. Contrast AF while using lenses optimized for PDAF = not good.
So this camera will become some sort of a NEX in a DSLR body, where you can’t remove an LA-EAx Adapter, but at least having IBIS to fill a little of the lot of free space inside – okay, I’ve got to admit I don’t understand either, why Retro-Cameras are selling well.
When I think of retro cameras, I think of classic Leica era styled bodies. Think certain Fuji and Olympus cameras for example. They are designed to look retro, not prioritizing ergonomics. Current DSLR’s usually prioritize ergonomics over size and (retro) looks.
Quite subtle trolling
I wonder if the FF will have a hybrid bayonet.
no hybrid bayonet.
I hope too that AF will be as fast as PDAF even in low light. But I’m not so confident about that. I rather expect some pros and some trade offs. Something like two steps ahead and one step backwards. I’m quite happy user or A77. I’m not in hurry to ditch it for the new model except it brings whole new experience.
why make it mirrorless? wont we loose the af focusing capacities of the video?
the A77 in kit with the 16-50 is obviously the best camera on the market in terms of price/image quality, they are other good cameras in 43 apc or full frame but no other camera give this outstanding image quality in a kit version. If you want to get A77 16-50 image quality out of a 43 you will need the leica 25 1.4 for instance.
For me there is no need to replace a perfect camera.
Then just don’t buy the new one?
Btw try a Canon EOS 6D with the 24-70 f/4 L and tell me if IQ is still better on the a77. Please…
That’s to compare apples and oranges. 6D is a FF and a77 is APS-C.
Way to compare. The 6D is more expensive and it will deliver marginally better IQ at higher sensitivities. At base ISO, the A77 would actually beat it.
gg clearly stated best price/image quality. The 6D/24-105mm kit costs nearly twice as much.
No, you will not lose focusing capabilities in video. Cameras have been featuring CDAF for a while and new sensors have PDAF on sensor, removing a need for a dedicated PDAF module.
” If you want to get A77 16-50 image quality out of a 43 you will need the leica 25 1.4 for instance.”
What a BS. Sony-sensored m43s have better high ISO than Sony APS-C sensor behind the semitransparent mirror like your A77. To match and best image quality of A77+16-50, you need E-M5/E-PM2/E-PL5/GH3/E-P5 with Panasonic 12-35/2.8.
Of course, Sony DT 16-50 is not as as sharp as Pana 12-35, except at 24mm.
The reason they’re going full mirrorless is that the A77 was only averagely successful and the A99 was a sales flop, so they’re blaming the technology, rather than blaming themselves for the shortcomings of those cameras.
I would be interested in a a77 or a99 successor with PDAF points covering almost all key spots much like CDAF already does instead of being put in the centre only. Since it’s mirrorless there should be a increased high iso performance compared to current SLTs right? Hope it does deliver. Even if they aren’t capable of 10fps full time AF, at least 8 or 7 fps should be fine but I’m afraid of the curtain (since the AF points are on sensor) that will limit how much AF track performance can deliver compared to current SLT were the AF signal can be captured doesn’t matter if it’s taking a picture or not.
Lenses too…Really need some new lenses instead of trying to get a used one. I think it’s time for Sony to deliver the 70-210 f4, 28 f2, 35 f2, 100 f2 and 300 f4 to match the upcoming generation of cameras.
Oh dear, my bank account becomes weak – 50mm Zeiss A-mount coming soon, NEX7x this year, A7x early next year, FF next year
One of the biggest advantages of using the A77 for video is that the AEL works in video, and when you hit it, shutter and aperture stays constant, but autofocus continues working (and you then tweak exposure during the shot with a variable ND, etc). You can even toggle autofocus during the shot with AF/MF without any jump in the video.
That workflow is unique for DSLR video production. If the bitrates were increased, the A77 would have been the go-to DSRL for run and shoot video. It pretty much still is for web video for those who understand it.
I may get an A77 replacement, but I’ll certainly be keeping the A77 for video.
AF for video?
It’s so dumb to think it gives any advantage. Sorry.
Ever used a steadicam? Kinda a required item for DSLR video. Or a dolly slider or even on the slide of a car. Try manually focusing on any of them, then try it with a ’77.
A steadicam is not a required item for video. If you think it is absolutely necessary to have one you are a moron, plain and simple. Go play with your toy cameras.
said by a genius that shoots with HDSLRs handheld.
It’s dumb to think it doesn’t. Whether the advantage of having autofocus is valuable to you personally is a completely different issue and one on which a lot of people will disagree with you.
For sports or any faster moving subjects in general it can be a benefit. Especially if you prefer to remain mobile yourself, without a huge rig.
It’s rather dumb not being able to see how others can benefit there.
You don’t need sports to take advantage of that. Basically: As long as you don’t film a static scene from static position – you will benefit from AF.
That’s mostly what I said.
lol… seriously. I very much appreciate not having that high resolution with todays sensor tech.
But I wonder… what do you do as a photographer… since you clearly can’t use the photos you take?
Will it have alternate lens adaptability?
Rumored preliminary specs:
* 200 megapixels
* Supported modes: AUTO, iAUTO, SCENE
* No RAW mode
* Over 100 art filters
* Sweep panorama
* Wifi, NFC
* Facebook button, Google+ button
* Comes in colors and themed patterns
* Autoframing crops your photos for you.
* GPS
* Cellular connectivity
* Maximum ISO is 1,048,576 (“pure noise” mode).
* Smile shutter
Thanks for the Spec update, I was really worried the smile shutter was getting dropped, now I can rest easy. Specs for res. are wrong though, it will be a 216 MP sensor. In most cases it will down sample to a 6000 x 9000 pixel JPEG. The super res mode of 12,000 by 18,000 pixels will require the insertion of a special key. This keeps the kids and wife from hot-rodding the camera when you are not around.
I heard they were going to single photon receptors, so 216 megapixels sounds about right. Now, if they captured neutrinos as well, we could get better performance in the dark–we’re being showered with neutrinos all the time. 🙂
2^20 ISO does not exist in photo world
It would rather be 1638400 (100*2^14)
ADMIN
This person is impersonating my screen name and making damaging statements in my name.
Can you do anything to stop it?
ok. will do it.
Thank you.
Are you saying that the A77 replacement will be full frame and that another full frame camera will be released along side the A77 replacement? Or will the A77 replacement still be APS-C and a mirrorless full frame is also being released at the same time? Also, will there be A mount mirrorless cameras?
There will be FF along side of the A77 replacement.
Nope, it doesn’t say the A77 replacement will be full frame, and why would it?
“Also, will there be A mount mirrorless cameras” – Not sure if you meant something else by that, but yes, all these new A mount cameras are mirrorless. That’s what this news story specifically says.
Andrea said the A77 successor will be announced in early 2014. No mention of sensor size. And though I’d like to assume that it would be APS-C (and hope it is), it was not totally clear that the two machines rumored to be introduced in early 2014 would not share a similiar sensor size. I would think that Sony’s simplified A mount system will initially go like this:
APS-C replacement for A58/A65
APS-C replacement for A77
Full frame, lower cost
Full frame, “pro” level
Probably a wrong guess but then again, more info is needed/desired.
I think it’s safe to say that a majority wishes a FF A-mount priced to compete with 6D and D600… Although I’m not sure the mind of Sony managers is open to that, which in the long run could be suicidal, considering how well 6D and D600 sell – resulting in increased lens sales probably… So let’s hope that Sonys prediction of increased lens sales is due for the same reason.
Sony see themselves as an aspirational brand so aren’t about to compete with the 6D/D600. Instead they will continue to release highly priced bodies that will sit on the shelf gathering dust.
Barry,
Was that not you who posted about painting in the cell phone discussion or the imposter?
A registration requirement is sorely needed to have an active forum on here. Otherwise it’s too easy to post in anyone else’s name.
Agreed. There’s at least one other person who uses the same name as me which can be frustrating when they post something completely different from what I think. Some means of locking down a username would be welcome.
That and not having posts disappear.
Damn, that was supposed to be a reply to “C” above.
I guess I’ll add a request to edit or delete comments while I’m at it.
The comment about paintings in the cell phone post was by the real animalsbybarry.
Thiss was sopposed to be a response to c but my comments are appearing in the wrong place.
I can’t wait to see the specs and how the new technology performs. I was an early adopter of the A77 but I won’t be drawn into buying it’s replacement early this time. A decent A77 firmware upgrade would keep me happy until the A78? were properly reviewed and tested and the price drops a little.
I don’t understand,
If you take away the mirror, what’s the point of retaining the DSLR shape ?
Who needs a pentaprism shaped bulge on the top, and an eye position that puts noseprints onto the screen ?
Why not just make an A-mount, IBIS, sensor-PDAF thing that looks like a beefed up Nex 7 ?
… If you do that, why keep the a-mount at all?
You’re describing a Nex with a built-in A-mount adapter plus ibis.
The point of keeping dSLR body, is that the larger ergonomics do appeal to a certain market.
And you cannot make a DSLR shaped body with an E-mount? Somebody should call Panasonic and tell them that their GH3 violates some laws of physics or similar.
Larger ergonomics is certainly appealing.
Just dont see why that has to equate to viewfineer above screen.
I find questions like this humorous, only because the human hand has never been reinvented.
(D)SLR technology evolved the way it did not because some engineers designed a better box in an R&D lab, but because of the way the human hand and fingers are shaped for most people. (If you don’t believe this, just ask yourself why there are no left-handed (D)SLRs?)
I can hold my A99, A700, KM5D and Maxxum 7 film cameras at my hip, perfectly balanced on one or two fingers (with a wrist strap, of course). Many folks don’t like the ergonomics of the NEX because of this, just as they wouldn’t want to move back to a Minolta XD-11.
The the hands of the average photographer are as small and dainty as a child or petite woman’s, there will always be a market for a photographic tool with perfect fully-populated ergonomics for the average person’s hands and fingers.
“If you take away the mirror, what’s the point of retaining the DSLR shape ?” – ergonomics. Handling. Controls. Better cooling of a sensor. More space for battery. Better balance with longer lenses. Better balance with pro and semi-pro flashes. Better stability. More space for buttons & external connectors. etc. etc. etc.
and moving the viewfinder a bit to the left means you automatically sacrifice all these things ?
Position of viewfinder doesn’t change much. It does fix some of the issues with ergonomic of small cameras, but still too few to get them anywhere close to SLR-shaped body. That’s one of the reasons why you see even P&S cameras in an SLR shape body. And why you see even mirrorless build in an SLR shape (aka. GH3).
Some of us buy that shape camera because we want a high level or autofocus. Just saying.
This A77 successor will be rubbish if it doesn’t have at least 77mp. I NEED at least 77mp in order to take REAL photographs. Anything less than 77mp and it is not a real camera. If they call it the A78, then it will be 78mp and everything will be great. If Sony change their naming scheme and it is called the A7, then we are doomed.
Sony, are you listening to your customers???!!!
Hello?
Anyone there?
Awesome! Just wishing everything is the same as the current A77 but with improved ISO performance. Hope the super fast AF with the SLT technology is still mantained with the new A77 successor. Loving the A77 and A57
Make or break for Sony on this one. If they don’t nail the AF and for moving subjects too, they’ll be roasted big time. Or if they do something daft like drop screw drive AF support DOA. Let’s hope they use their heads and price it at sensible levels, this is going to have to compete with the D7100 and 70d models.
If Sony price it too high they’ll wipe themselves out too.
Totally agreed.
That’s just it, they won’t. Sony couldn’t match canikon’s AF system with the SLT, the people expecting this new mirrorless AF system is going to be some game changer now Sony is playing with one proverbial arm chopped off are setting themselves for disappointment.
If Sony was a sensible company they would perfect the on-sensor AF system on their NEX range before making the jump to mirrorless on A mount.
Initial AF acquirement of the A77 and A99 is faster than both the D600 and D800. Up to twice as fast. And let’s not even talk about LV AF. Sure, the Nikon AF has other strengths, but it’s not as clear cut as some want us to believe.
Nikon got roasted by their own users for the D800’s AF, so I hardly see that as a camera to hold up as a standard to which others are compared. Both of them are worse than the 5D3, which is why the latter has been commercially successful despite its high price and neolithic sensor tech.
More importantly, the A99’s main problem isn’t getting a lock (it’s somewhat faster than the A900) but in the fact that it has an APS-size AF module that only covers 8-9% of the frame, wasting the photographer’s time and, factoring in the EVF’s delay, making tracking objects far more infuriating than it has any right being.
Total Epic Failure – that’s what’s coming from an overpriced, under preforming, new tech that no-one is clamoring for Sony.
Dusty
hope this one have IS/SSS or copy five axis stabilizer olympus 🙂
For those who asked what i do with my pictures i inadvertantly posted a lengthy respons in the previous pot about the cellphone.
Its too long to retype but if you are interested you can look ther.
It explains why i am so vocal about higher resolution.
Admin,
Will the a7x no longer be the 2nd highest end camera bodies if additional full frame bodies will be announced along with this one)?
no longer 2nd highest. There will be two higher FF models.
Andrea, can you tell us where will these full frame be respect a77 and a99
in between this two, higher than a99, one between a77 and the otherone above a99
I’m VERY curious how this is going to play out, regarding lens compatibility. I’ve noticed the NEX 6’s new phase detect AF points only work with a couple lenses, and leaves everything else in a slow contrast detect mode. I REALLY hope this is not the case with this new tech. Last thing Sony needs, is to limit their (functional) lens selection. I have a lot of older Minolta gear, and a fair amount of third party Tamron/Sigma stuff that I would HATE to lose due to something like this.
Pardon my ignorance but at equal sensors what are the advantages of a mirorless over SLT besides an increase 1/3 stop ?
A separate PDAF module brings a tolerance chain with its separate location from the image sensor, which creates a need for micro-adjustments of AF if you want to get it exact.
With on-sensor PDAF, the AF is measured in the same plane and location where the image is created on the image sensor and do not have such a tolerance chain.
With on-sensor PDAF should it be able to have many more AF points (even if they are grouped together in fewer when they are presented in the viewfinder) and thus should it at least theoretically be able to create a better and more intelligent tracking AF.
One could also have a hybrid AF with both CDAF and PDAF and in photos where one don’t need a very fast AF get the advantage of the much more precise AF the CDAF technology gives.
PDAF and CDAF has its different advantages and the very best AF would be to combine them into a hybrid AF system.
CDAF = Contrast Detection AF
PDAF = Phase Detection AF
“Hope,, dies last.thats what I learned with sony
They’ve certainly given their all in killing that too.
It’s soooo nice to see a straight “unaltered” line from the lens to the sensor again.
SONY PLEASE PLEASE move that EVF rearwards to provide more nose and eye relief with larger eyepiece and huge screen view… It would show clear advantage over OVF.
Get rid of the front protrusion to accommodate full movements with T/S lenses. Please think about these things which cripple photographers in the field. Move that entire viewfinder box rearward and CaNikonians will come running to your sales counter.
Will be interesting to see how this new A77 successor will hold up against Canon’s upcoming D70 in ISO performance…
Is Canon on the road again, or not?
http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/07/eos-70d-a-new-benchmark-in-iso-performance/
On sensor PDAF gets full light on them in contrast to the separate PDAF modules, which only gets a fraction of the light deflected to itself, so it should be possible to get a fast AF with that technology I think. Sure these on sensor based PDAF pixels is much smaller but get the full light on them atleast, and is likely to be many more than in a separate PDAF modul.
The thing EVERYONE want to know and test is focus speed when these are out.
I don’t care about auto focus speed since I shoot 90% landscape and
mountains move very slow.
Sony did not release a DSLR with video before “we got it right” or what they said.
That tech they talked about was SLT for auto-focus in video mode.
So I now wonder if Sony got on-sensor auto focus that really work good.
And will we soon see the new sensor(s) in some new NEX cameras also?
Or even next RX1 (FF) and RX10 (APS-C)?
Sony haven’t a clue. This camera will have focus problems. If I’m right then I will have no choice but to consider another manufacturer
Well, “animalsbybarry”, you STATE that “Sony haven’t a clue”, and you STATE that “This camera will have focus problems.” Please substantiate your claims.
The fact is that YOU haven’t a clue, right?
The Sony guys involved are the ONLY ones that would have at least some clue, wouldn’t you say?
Finally, to post something with an alias that looks very like someone elses, with the hope to steal the reputation that may be associated with that name, ALWAYS tells us that the reputation for the one engaging in such impersonating (i.e. you), doesn’t have a reputation worth ANYTHING AT ALL to begin with.
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This is the real animalsbybarry
The person who posted the comment above is an impostor making inflamatory remarks using my screen name.
I did not write that comment and do not agree with anything said in that comment.
Admin has been removing his comments but he has written several and this one was not intercepted.
I hope this impostors actions will stop.
If someone wishes to challenge my views they should have the courage to do so under thier own screen name not mine.
I can’t wait to see the rumored specs of these two new A-mount cameras. 🙂
Any news about the rumored A77 firmware? It was supposed to come in august, wasnt it?
I though the new firmware was to be announced last month and available mid July!!!!???
WAITING OE NE YEARS? 2014? CRAZY TIMES, I WIIL BUY LEICA M240 NOW, NOT 2014 IS CRAZY FOR WAITING
I think this is good news. We all want the most elegant design with the best picture quality, and it sounds like if they do it right this will be it!
Fantastic!
JPL
I’m curious about the pricing of the new tech. Since you said that the full frame is not going to be cheap. I wonder if it’ll be in the 1D X price range.
I’m worrying that they will drop the screw drive AF motor. If the body is slimmed down a little they might not have space. This will instantly make 2/3 of all A-Mount lenses unusable for anything but landscapes.
If Sony drops the screw drive and or the ability to use legacy lens, I will drop them. Not a threat, a true promise. Would continue to use my a77,Sony 70-200 2.8, Sony 70-400 and Zeiss 16-80 and my Minolta 600 f4 until I can convert (maximum 1 yr). I know this is to early to “worry” about it. I am not worried. Just stating the facts. Can you imagine Sony buys Minolta, keeps the a mount to help draw in the “old Minolta crowd” then drops the use of legacy lens. To say this is smart is truly dumb. Better words would be “a marketing total disaster”. If (hopefully a gigantic IF) this happens, Sony might as well get out of the competition with Canon/Nikon and concentrate on the video segment of the market.
While I don’t believe Sony will drop the screw, they stopped caring about the “Minolta crowd” years ago. A lot of us have already sold up and moved to Canikon after all the years or delays and empty promises.
Well, what do you expect from them? They want to make profit and sell lenses. And the old Minolta glass is just simply not providing any profit to Sony. It actually means that Sony will not be able to sell a lot of new lenses because the Minolta legacy glass is so cheap that it will outprice many new Sony lenses.
I would say – get rid of the screw drive for the low end cameras and keep it only in the flagship APS-C and full frame cameras. But together with the abandoning of the screw drive in the low end APS-C cameras, make new versions of the most popular Minolta glass like the Beercan, the 28-135mm, 35-105mm etc.
This will give us a chance to move to newer tech and produce newer lenses. And will make some old legacy glass even cheaper.
I am another person that is very happy with the a77. I hope that they keep the a78 an APS-C sensor. During the past year I have settled into using the a77 for wildlife, sports and theatre productions. The light loss due to the SLT is such a non-issue. The disadvantages of an EVF is a non-issue too. I made an effort to shoot a lot with a Nex 6, Nex 7 and EM5 during plays and concerts. I have decided that my set up with those cameras does match the IQ of the a77 and the Sony 70-200mm G SSM. I also have settled into the practice of shooting and reviewing within the EVF. I rarely need to review a pic in the LCD. It is a wonderful advantage to never need to look down and away from the action. I do not miss an OVF camera at all. So I sold my a700 (still have one), and my a850. I will also state that I am very pleased with the IQ of the a99 with Zeiss lenses. I must say that AF-D on the a99 makes a difference. I was shooting with the CZ 24-70mm this weekend for a wedding job and its focused speed and accuracy is improved. At the end of the day only 2 of 400 shots where out of sharp focus. I find it a pleasure to use this equipment and with the degree of satisfaction my clients report to me it causes me to be settled in using Sony equipment. Also I will say that my RX100 is a gem and I do not use my Nex cameras as much since getting it. I think Sony has quite a line up. Since this is a Sony site why are people so preoccupied with Canon and Nikon? The photographer is more important than the equipment anyway.
Greetings,
what about NEX camera spec, which is supposed to be released this year?
I am happy that we have already horizon for next A-mount camera spec,
but I am really interested in spec of one expected to be my next camera body.
best regards, WZ.
What happened to July 2013?????
The new a77 is really a make it or break for me with Sony… Don’t get me wrong, I love Sony, and compared to any other company’s cameras I really actually enjoy shooting with my a57. But in the next year I am saving up for an upgrade… and I really want Sony to succeed! I really like what I’ve seen from the a77, but I need better ISO results! Seriously, especially with the new d7100 and 70D, if Sony doesn’t do some major upgrades (a lootttt of stuff on the a77 is awesome and shouldn’t be changed whatsoever). Not some little bits and not some design stuff. It needs to bring very much professional results to compete with it’s competitors.
I want one, but we have to see how good it’ll get. I’m totally rooting for ’em!
Canon have stolen Sony’s thunder with the 70d! Ooops they didn’t see that one coming.
a77 replaced and kicked to the curb like a clapped out …
Is it likely to be bundled with the 16-50mm lens? I’ve read a lot of very good things about this lens compared to kit lenses offered with other systems.
Is the mirrorless camera that much better than the translucent technology? Is this a real game changer to go from SLT to mirrorless?