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(SR4) A New 16-X G zoom to be announced along the new NEX cameras.

Along the new NEX-5T, NEX DSLR shaped camera, NEX-FF and NEX-7 successor ee can be almost sure that Sony will launch a new High Quality G zoom lens for the NEX APS-C system. We have been told that it starts at 16mm at the wide end. And I have been told this isn’t the only lens to come. At leats one more APS-C zoom and one APS-C prime could be announced. Obvisouly I dind’t count the new NEX-FF lenses into this list. Yep, a lot of stuff is coming soon! Stay tuned on SAR!

One more important thing about the current rumors work: I know well you have plenty of questions on all future cameras, lenses and firmware updates. But Me and You have to be patient. There are so many rumors I am receiving in these weeks. And I know for sure Sony is trying to mislead us all by spreading false info (or partial incorrect info). They have all the reasons to do so. But it’s my job to be patient and not post everything I get without at least try to double check the info. And still, I cannot guarantee all my rumors I correct. But I try to get as close as I can get to the truth. And really, you don’t have to wait a long time to see the real new cameras. Only two months to go until the next Sony product announcement wave!

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  1. If the new 7 is sealed, the G zoom and the new Tele (?) too than the only thing thats left is the question of how big the improvements on the autofocus front are.

    If everything comes together, I am really tempted to upgrade. But I should probably start saving then…

  2. From that heading, you might think that there is 16 times (16x) optical zoom. That would be something!

      1. Better understandable heading would be: 16mm – ?mm G-zoom. Then there would be no room for confuse.

      1. > I was about to moan about the compromises a 16x zoom lens would bring.

        And then? Do you think you could’ve prevented the launch of the lens?
        Or do you just moan to feel better?

          1. Speak for yourself. Moaning is what little children do to make themselves feel better.

      1. I believe a compromise like the Fuji 18-55 with 2.8 – 4 or the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 would be much nicer in regarding size and weight.

        1. I agree completely. A f2.8-4.0 would probably be less expensive too. I would but 16-xx lens if it is comparable to the Fuji in optical quality, weight and price. I will not be buying a 1 pound+, $1200+ constant f2.8.

        2. f4 is too dark . Another dark zoom ,no thanks . Sony please make f2.8 all the way .
          It is shame e-mount does not have any fast zoom yet !!!

          1. If Sony really treats the NEX as a “consumer” solution, that fast zoom might never happen.

      2. I hope he’s wrong. A large part of the appeal of NEX (for me, but I think for most people) is its small size. An f/2.8 lens is going to be big, especially when it is of a high quality.

        Personally, I’m hoping for a 16-80mm f/4, even though I realize that this won’t be all that small either. It would probably result in me buying a NEX to replace the Pany GH1 with 14-140mm that I use for travel.

        One thing: OIS or I am not interested at all!

        1. I really don’t see the problem using big lenses on the Nex. At least on the Nex 6, I don’t think it’s uncomfortable at all (at least on landscape position).

          If you want something more walk-around’ish, just use the 16-50mm PZ. But if you want some more “serious” thing, then bring that big, fast lens with you.

          I still rather carry a Nex body + big, fast lens than a big DSLR body with an also big and fast lens.

        2. Ditto, make it a 16-80mm and f4, or close to that range, keeping it small and compact so it’ll fit into my Nauticam underwater housing. Anything faster will be too wide in dimension to fit the available port design. This is already been a problem with the Zeiss Touit lens. Hopefully the upcoming Touit 50mm macro 2.8 coming out soon will fit our ports. We use powerful flashes UW, so a fast lens isn’t needed, nor OIS for that matter. I suspect though that Sony will include stabilization, like on most of their e-mount lens, especially since it may be small and not fast.

    1. Good news !!
      I’m waiting for the G zoom. Hope a 16-50 f2.8

      And I’m waiting too for the Nex-7 firmware update. If it is a jpeg engine improvement, I hope the new firmware to be available for all Nex (old ones too !!!!)

    2. For Nex… I would prefer constant F4 for size reasons.
      I am not fan of variable aperture zoom neither…
      So perfect line (for me) would be:
      16-50 F4
      50-150 F4 (A la beercan)

    3. No. It will likely be f2.8-4. This is ‘G-zoom’ from the original E-mount roadmap.

      It would expect it to have OSS and be about 1.5 times the length of the Zeiss E 24mm and slightly thicker. It will not image a FF circle because no E-mount lenses are coming that will do that.

  3. 16-32, constant f2

    everything longer will be covered by 50 1.8, 85 1.4 and another longer zoom lens with constant aperture (but ofc. slower).

      1. Yeah, but the lenses on the wide end don’t really utilize the advantage of the 24mp sensor. The 50 1.8 does and I’m rather confident that the 85 will as well (there aren’t many bad 85s out there). You’re right about the 30/35 though. Considering that, a higher performing 16-24 f2 (x1.5) would be even better.
        I know it won’t happen. Most people who buy high grade zooms want them to substitute their primes. Guess it will turn out to be the standard 24-70 f4 FF equiv. (which I don’t think is a bad thing at all). It’s just my personal preference to have lenses specialized as much as possible. The higher the zoom factor, the more often I have that ‘umm… I shouldnt be using this zoom at this FL…’-feeling.

  4. This might be the year I am switching to the nex system (or add a nex to my a mounts). Good lenses and a wide selection is important for a camera system. Sony, please impress us. 🙂

  5. Hmm….if we get a G 16-50/2.8 with OSS, would it make sense to make a Zeiss 16-70/3.5-4.5 nonstabilized as well?

    The rumored Zeiss zoom could instead be for the FF NEX with IBIS, for example a 24-85/3.5-4.5 would do, but then the 16-70 rumors are not true.

  6. I hope Sony is not implementing a “flash them out” strategy:

    Steps:

    1) Identify suspect leak individuals
    2) Deliver selective ‘fake’ info to each suspect (ie: suspect 1 gets the zoom lens rumor, suspect 2 gets the MP sensor rumor, etc)
    3) See what information comes out on SAR
    4) Once you know what comes out, you can identify who leaked it
    5) Sack the dude.

    Watch your backs

    1. You are assuming that Sony don’t want the rumours. Rumours are a good way of getting customer feedback while still allowing denial of intent.

      Of course that also assumes Sony care anything at all about this blog in the first place. I suspect that the people making decisions don’t know that SAR exists and couldn’t care less.

      1. Not sure if Sony cares either, but this blog is getting bigger and bigger and they probably should. And if OP’s belief that Sony is spreading false information on purpose is correct, then Sony is definitely paying attention.

        I also fail to see any reason why Sony wouldn’t want buzz around their products. Spreading false / incorrect info seems a bit weird to me, though.

        1. The problem with rumors is that they keep customes from buying the products that already are on the market. Instead they are holding back and wait for the new products.

          1. I would back it up with my own experience. Currently have a NEX 6 and a few lenses, would like to get a few more but waiting to see how market develops, ranges expand, etc.

          2. I would back it up with my own experience. Currently have a NEX 6 and a few lenses, would like to get a few more but waiting to see how market develops, ranges expand, etc.

      2. The year before last, Admin had a bit of a rough time with Sony, or a section of it, or its lawyers. It almost led to the downing of the site.

  7. i just want a wifi modul for the new multi interface shoe that works with a99. thats it – wifi tethering please

  8. It’s about time !
    If the 7 successor doesn’t have AF at least on par with latest gen m4/3 AND offers a fast standard zoom, I’m getting out of nex altogether.

    1. Me too… tired of sluggish AF and “upgrades” such as lousy Wi-Fi and Apps, instead of really important updates, such as AF-speed and accuracy, logical UI, and ergonomics.

        1. Yeah, dial just doing the same thing as wheel at the back, only useful in M mode.
          And no Auto ISO in manual, no Auto ISO setting and shutter speed. Also Sony have put resistive instead of capacitive screen – harder to press. Giving us Fn button? Good. But now we can’t remap joystick controls to our taste. One hand is giving – another is taking, and Sony calls it an upgrade?
          It reminds me market of Android devices, with tons of new devices each half of the year with minimal improvements.

  9. My lens wishlist
    Long tele macro 100-300mm f2.8-4 with 1/2 magnification at 300mm.
    Optimized for best performance at the 300mm and macro end.
    This would be a great lens for birds and small wildlife and there is nothing like this currently available.
    Tamron and sigma mame a 70-300macro.
    Tbis would de a higher quality step up from that. The key feature would be the long tele macro capability.
    Another dream lens would be a high quallity mirror lens 1000mm f6 with close focusing to 1/2 or 1/3 mgnification. This lens should feature an off axis secondary mirror (the structure would sort of resemble a satelite tv dish).
    The off axis secondary would allow use of the central portion of the image therefore eliminating the most serious flaw of current cat desighns. The close focusing would make this highly usefull for wildlife where the photogrper can aproach an animal tsking pictures along the way
    The light weight(essential feaature) and use of IBIS would allow limited (admitedly difficult) hand held use and of course a tripod mount would be essential.
    Currently availble cat lenses are of terrible quality but light. Telescopes of high quality are availble of high quality but extremely heavy and no close focusing.
    This lens would be a high challenge to desighn and build but nothing like it is currently available.
    To those critics that say these would be for nich markets i say we have enough 50mm mainstream lenses coming out and we need more nich market lenses.
    Lenses today require a lot of hand manufacturing. Therefore manufacturers do not need to sell a huge difference volume like they do with a large camera.

    1. Your dream lenses present optical challenges that, when solved, would cost a fortune to a consumer.

      So, how much would you pay for such a dream lens?

      I have the feeling that if Sony was to make it, you wouldn’t like the price.

      There is a reason why there are so many 50s…they are profitable as well being one of the classic focal lengths every student learns with to know the basics of photography. It is also a lens that can be easy to design without making much compromises when making relatively fast lenses (1.8, 1.4) Now, while easy, it doesn’t mean all are equal. Hence the new Zeiss 50mm costs as much, because there are not many equals to it.

    2. Barry, I dont know you personally so take what I’m going to say with a grain of salt. But I agree with the others. You cant possibly be serious. All of your wishlist lenses, while interesting, would be so difficult to manufacture, they will never ever happen. The off-axis mirror lens, if produced, would probably cost upwards of $20,000 and each copy would have a high level of hand assembly work and calibration. This design has been tried before and far falls short of profitability. It also would introduce complex and nearly impossible to correct image aberrations and field curvature distortions.

      You’re a dreamer, an inventor type. You should try to build these yourself with a telescope making kit and you’ll see how improbable they are.

      Like I said, good in concept, but they will never see the light of day.

    3. Admittedly my dream lenses present some engineering demands
      A simpler and mere achievable approach would be to simply incorporate better close focusing into new long focal length lens desighns.
      The addition of more focusing extension would not demand lens redesign and many of the long lenses could have 1/2 or 1/3 magnification capabilty at the longest focal lengths.

        1. I dont have the resources to actually make or market my ideas otherwise i would not be giving then away by posting then
          Btw check out my new idea for an a to e adapter extension tube later in this post.

  10. Sony already have a CZ 16-80mm a-mount, 16-50 f2.8 a-mount and 16-50 e-mount.

    If it’s a 16-105mm f4 it will be great and if it’s 16-80mm F4 it be good too. Hmm G lens.

      1. It wouldn’t be the size of a 300/2.8. As someone who has owned multiple 300/2.8’s I know how big they are (actually they would be medium in size as far as good tele’s are concerned). A 16-105/4 aps lens definitely wouldn’t be as big as a 24-105/4L FF lens, which itself is not a big lens, only a little bigger than the 18-200 OSS (less than 10mm in length and width difference). Look at the Panny 14-140 3.5-5.6, it’s tiny with only a 58mm filter thread, and a 16-105/4 aps lens wouldn’t be much bigger. I bet it would be in the same size area as the 18-200 OSS.

          1. and aps-c isn’t much bigger than 4/3. Hence why it wouldn’t be much bigger than the panny.

  11. If sony make f4 many people will be complain that it is too dark !!! I am one of them . Of course fast zoom is gonna be 200-300g more and longer 2-4cm longer . Is it problem . No !!!!

    1. If they really wanted to spread the love they’d make a 16-50mm f/2.8 for the people who don’t care about size and a 17-50mm f/4 for those who do. I used to own a Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 for my Canons…and while it was a great lens, it would have been waaaaay to big for my NEX-7.

      1. I don’t think the Tamron 17-50 is too big for an NEX-7. The Tamron 17-50/2.8 VC is only 4mm wider than the SEL18200, and it’s actually 4mm shorter than the Sony. The Tamron only weighs 46g more. For all practical purposes they are identical in size/weight. The SEL18200 handles very well on the NEX-7

    2. This is the dilemma here. I would prefer F2.8 but it would mean the system would look ridiculous and less compact.

      How come Sigma managed a F1.8 zoom with good optics and 121mm in length?

      1. First of all, that Sigma is a 2X zoom. Second, it IS big. Third, it’s SLR/SLT mount, so it’s BIGGER on NEX once you add LA-EA (1 or 2). Fourth, it’s not stabilized, which may say a bit of size and/or weight.

        On the “Sony should make two G zooms in the same range” suggestion: really?! They already have the 16-50PZ the 18-55 and now introducing some sort of 16-XG and you think they should offer both an F2.8 and an F4? Even Canon EF doesn’t do stuff like that, and their market is orders of magnitude larger than NEX.

        1. Well that was my point. People can want faster glass but at which point would you say it’s too big.. that differs from person to person.

          I didn’t say they should adapt it as is or what not. It was meant as a comparison, as to what is possible (It’s about double the length of the 18-55mm). Native lenses are the way to go as adapters add too much heft. A F2.8 might actually be feasible.

  12. I’d really like to know if there’s any prospect of a 18-200mm / 50-210mm replacement thats a bit smaller. I chose the Nex 5R for its size not the maximum IQ (though its a massive step up from my old P&S) and would love something in the style of the 1650PZ that looks like it belongs on that small body.

    1. Why do you call it IBIS? Ibis is a bird. Call it what it is: SSI (Steady Shot Inside), or even the old term SSS (Super Steady Shot). Sony doesnt use the bird-term, why do you?

  13. I do also think it will likely be 16-50 if it is constantly 2.8
    More than 3x Zoom with constant aperture would make the lens too big.

    The rumored Zeiss I suppose will be a NEX-FF standard zoom?!?

  14. What I really want is an APERTURE RING on the lens body, like the Fuji lenses. For photo it doesn’t matter, but for video work the difference is like night and day.

    1. I doubt it will happen. E-mount is like EOS-mount – fully electronic, so releasing lenses with aperture rings doesn’t make much sense. Even Zeiss doesn’t do that for Canon.

  15. an 16-80F4 G woudl almost make me sell my 16-80z and buy a NEX6 and 16-80F4 and keep my DSLR for my 70-200f2.8

    the nex6 woudl become my back pack cam
    if i was a betting mace tho since there are so many 16/18-50/55 options that it would likly be 16-35 or PZ 16-180/200

    1. But they are all kit lens quality and below. A high quality Zeiss 16-80/4 can exist alongside the current pancake 16-50. There is a need for both types of lenses. Think about it. If they discontinued the 16-50 and only sold a 16-80/4 in kit lenses, it will be very expensive and will cut off a mass majority of consumers. If they don’t make a 16-80/4 and only have the 16-50 enthusiasts and pros will continue to not take the NEX lens line up seriously.

  16. I am still waiting on firmware update for my A700. When is this coming?? I’ve been using v4.00 now for like 3 years with no update in sight! This camera is only 5 years old, it practically brand new and is still better than most new APS-C cameras on the market! Why no more support for it?! It’s like they want us to buy a new camera every 6 months; aint nobody got money for that. What an epically wasteful society we’ve become, throwing out perfectly good technology hardware every few months because something slightly better comes along. Just UPDATE the firmware of what you currently have!!

    Makes me SICK.

    Frank Fletus

    1. Incremental upgrades doesn’t necessarily mean that you need to upgrade every time, it also provides a model with current technology to a new buyer. In any case nobody forces you to upgrade and it certainly isn’t 6 months between releases. And, yes, a 5 year old camera is an old camera. I certainly wouldn’t be happy waiting that long for an update.

      1. That is my point Vlad, it doesnt need to be old. If camera makers spent more time on firmware and less time trying to make money off peoples’ ignorance pushing trivial hardware like megapixels, we’d all have such a more meaningful experience with the cameras. I own the A99 as well, and it is my primary camera. But I see SO much potential in the A700 still, and its sad that these well designed, capable cameras have such a short life – and its firmware that is the limiting factor. I mean, look at the new MagicLantern Canon project getting 14 stops of dynamic range out of an ‘OLD’ Canon 7D. Way less noise, way better image quality, same camera.

        I plan on using my A99 for at least 8 years, if not more.

        1. Hmm, first time I hear about that magic lantern hack. Well, if that is possible, then certainly my point holds much less water than I originally thought. I still wouldn’t agree with a 5 – year upgrade cycle, but yearly would be overkill.

        2. “According to Magic Lantern, there are some downsides to using the Dual ISO firmware, though. Vertical resolution is reduced by half and there’s more moiré and aliasing in over and underexposed areas. The author also warns that since this software modifies the sensor’s operation, you could end up frying your camera.”

          1. Yes, it needs work for sure, but this is a proof of concept. They need to do lots of testing to make sure it is safe, and tradeoffs need to be clearly stated.

            But it IS possible, whereas so many said it wasnt.

          2. No, they will never be able to compensate for the downsides. The only way to get rid of the downsides is not to deploy this technique. It’s a lot like pixel-binning, something you don’t want to do unless it is absolutely neccessary because you are not using the sensor at its optimum.

        3. Electronics and software cost quite a bit to develop. If they can’t churn them out in large numbers and have people constantly upgrading, they lose economy of scale that comes from a well oiled manufacturing machine. Without economy of scale, your A99 would cost $5k. How does that grab you? If you want constant firmware upgrade, then they also have to add in future software development costs. Make that a $7k A99. Sound enticing? Before wailing against the “evil” corporations and their capitalistic greed, think about it first.

          BTW, it’s not only body prices that would go up. If these camera makers only sell 100k bodies instead of 1M bodies, guess what? Number of lenses goes lower. Prices go higher. I bet people wailing against capitalistic greed will be nowhere in sight to buy higher cost products.

        4. Maybe because in digital photography 5 years is old. People shoot a lot more now that they don’t have to purchase and process film, especially pros. We shoot the shutter out of DSLRs these days in a very short time. 150k clicks is nothing. The A700 is still a fine camera, but had I bought one new 5 years ago, I probably would have had to replace the shutter twice by now! Lets face it, an A700 is worth $300 and a shutter job is $400, so at that point it makes sense to upgrade.

      1. I know what website I’m posting comments on, so yes, oh the irony. 😉

        But no I’m not joking. The tools we have are fully capable of being upgraded to remain in line with the competition JUST with firmware updates.

        I’d much rather pay Sony a couple hundred dollars a year to upgrade my camera firmware to new standards, than to buy a new camera and throw out my old one every few years.

        1. Unlucky for you but you’re a tiny minority. That’s not a viable business model for any camera maker that wants to get a decent market share, as there would be little incentive to upgrade to new cameras.
          And it would only work if other camera makers wouldn’t bring out new cameras at a rather frequent pace, with hardware improvements.

        2. The problem is people balk at paying for firmware upgrades. However, Sony is actually one of the few big companies trying it with the F3 and now the FS700. Or how about the apps on the NEXs? Those are essentially software “features” that can be added later for a price. So you may be on to something. I doubt there will ever be more support for the A700; however, because the internal electronics like the processor, etc. have moved on so much from there. As margins on camera bodies grow slimmer and innovations become more incremental (most of us really don’t even need 24mpx even in a bayer format or AF that can track a speeding train) charging for software advancements may make sound financial sense for companies. If they’re only making 10% profit on a camera body charging that price for a firmware upgrade makes sense.

          I’ve got mixed feelings about the idea. Kind of like a computer OS I wouldn’t mind paying if significant features are added or improved but it would be make me nervous/angry if I had to start paying for bug fixes and the like.

    2. I agree, consumerism is the disgusting, rottening fundament of modern life. still, without it, the a700 wouldn’t exist at all. And Sony didn’t invent consumerism. Consumerism keeps us “happy” with new products as long as the earth and economy can handle it. but there will be a limit though. The earth can only take so much. WHat are we going to say to our grandchildren when large parts of the Phillipines (the most desely populated country in the world) lies beneath the sea? But I don’t get it: if you like the a700 so much, why do you need a fimware upgrade? isn’t great as it is? to me firmware cravings are part of consumerism mentality – we all want more – for less!

  17. I don’t believe that rumor. There r already many options in the wide end ~16, specially zooming ones. I believe more on the ~80 prime story.

  18. Assuming they are trying to hit the 24-70 f2.8 range then it should be something like 16-47 or 16-48 f2.8. I guess they could go 16-50 for the nice round number.

    I can’t imagine they would go longer if they are trying to mimic the popular 24-70 and 70-200 range.

    1. We are talking about E-mount, not A. we already have plenty of primes and zoom up to 55mm. I’m expecting 16-80~ F/4 that would suit Nex videographers, compact size and quality. a 80-300mm f4? and maybe a 85mm 1.8, All OSS.

  19. maybe they could do 14-24 24-135 as a set or even 14-24 24-70 and a 50-150 or jsut a fixed 135mm for the long end (realy dont see the ability to do much longer and still have a smalish G quality semi bright lenz )

  20. I don’t care having a pancake zoom lens for people with little hands !! I’m not wanting a lens smaller than the 50mm or the sonnar 24mm !
    Sony had already presenting the G zoom (same size as the 55-210) and it is ok for me !
    But I care about a high quality and fast zoom. Really needed for wedding photography !!

  21. If Sony is gearing up to release a ff nex, I find it of that they will be releasing an aps-c zoom for nex. I’m also
    Thinking that the SLR e-mount is BS unless it has a hybrid mount, what would the point be if they are also
    Going to release a mirror less a-mount. That’s a lot of
    Overlap.

    1. Maybe. Probably. But also not a huge development cost and it would probably be targeted to the 1DX/C crowd. I’m betting it will be very video optimized and expensive with lots of buttons. The E-mount means the Canon boys would get the mirrorless they all want (if the video is better than the A99, 5Dmk3) and Sony would be banking on the halo effect.

      The mirrorless A-mount is strictly for the existing pro/high-end Alpha/Minolta crowd. If Sony really has on-sensor PDAF that blows away the A99 and competes with the 1D and D4 AND the E-mount can have IBIS then there is no need for an empty mirror box. That is unless Sony’s market research has indicated that the current user base will defect. So what we’ll get are two similar cameras one with an A-mount adapter built-in and one without.

      The DSLR E-Mount could also be an FZ mount (the mount used in the FXX video cameras that is similar to the E-mount but wider and beefier). After all the prototype shown at NAB looked like an FZ mount.

  22. f3.5-5.6 there are 3 zoom now . I do not see the point to get another dark zoom f4 even if it is G class . Only f2.8 all the way !!! Nice to see it with new nex7n

    1. For full format NEX this will be about 900 grams (two pounds) if you want decent sharpness at least in the centre of the image when fully open and with good build quality. About 700 grams with worse image quality, no weather sealing and heaps of cheap plastic.

  23. A TO E MOUNT EXTENSION TUBE.
    A telescoping varying length adaptor could easily be made and would be inexpensive.
    By varying the length of the adaptor any lens would focus from infinity to macro
    This would be made possible because of the shorter flange distance of the e mount.
    Similar adaptors could be done for other brands.
    A bellows version could be made for longer extension (long lenses or high magnification)
    Since no optics would be included this gadget can be left on at all times with no effect on image quality but always ready to turn any lens into a macro.

  24. 16-80 f4 G macro please
    Make an A-mount 70-210 f4 so I can use with LA-EA2,
    together with the E10-18 f4, 3 lens can cover most of my travel needs!

    1. That does sound like a good set up. I do wonder how much bigger a 16-50 f2.8-4 would be? I’m with on using DSLR lenses for the telephoto end. The size and focusing difficulties keep me from grabbing the e-mount options which seem only marginally smaller.

      If Sony does drop the price of the A99 some cheap and cheerful FF lenses would be great. Resurrect the Minolta f2.0 primes (28 & 50) and the legendary “Beer Cans” f4.0 zooms. Or, better yet, the secret handshake.

  25. I’d be happy if it was the same as the A-mount Zeiss 16-80 f/3.5-4.5
    That would be a GREAT E-mount lens for their APS-C cameras. Perhaps it’s a “G” version of the same lens for E-mount. Either way, it would be my choice as an all-purpose lens for the NEX camera.

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