The one trusted source who correctly told me in advance about the A7rII shared a second cool info: There will be a Sony 50+ megapixel camera from Sony within the next months. He said Sony told him that directly but didn’t mention to him if this would be an A-mount or E-mount or RX camera. All they told him is that image quality would surpass the one from the current Canon 5dS cameras. Let’s hope the source is right on that rumor too!
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If it is an A99 MK2 I am ready to pre-order.
same here!
The megapixel race is back on…!
When did it stop? Every 2-3 years the bar gets raised, that’s what you would expect with each successive generation of sensors. We will continue too see this pattern. It’s never going to end nor should it.
More recently it seemed to have reached a hiatus, many cameras sticking at around 24mp (the Nikon and Canon flagships below that) and the A7S demonstrating other advantages.
That said, I won’t argue against the benefits of the latest A7Rii sensor!
However, it physically can’t ‘go on forever’ and we’re probably already near to the sensible limit as technology stands. The quantum efficiency is already quite amazing and until we get genuine photon counting sensors then I believe it is a story of diminishing returns.
The A7Rii is almost indistinguishable from the Pentax z645 and the Canon 5DSr. That is without taking into account the sheer amount of data involved (the one area that has me looking back with fondness to the A7S!).
Sure, there will be those who can use every last scrap of resolution, but I wonder if the manufacturers will ever see a capital return if they keep pushing the boundaries
Even if you count photons the actual benefits won’t be that large. Full color would be a major step in quality – but at the moment you’d likely get the most returns from lighting gear. Either via fast strobes or high quality continuous lights…depending on one’s style of course.
Its not going to stop anytime soon.
If Sony can cram 20mp on a 1″ sensor, we’re a long way from the MP race slowing down. New technologies will emerge to improve processing and efficiency. Guaranteed.
It won’t be long before we have A7’s with 100mp FF sensors.
diffraction.
if the lens is sharp enough, then currently 7.1 or 8 is as far as you can go without risking diffraction on the 24mp aps c sensors.
once you get diffraction then you do lose a fair bit of sharpness, which is ok if you dont need alot of detail, but your using a high res sensor because you want alot of detail…
Maybe you’re right, but I feel as though things have become fairly static in those areas. Any improvement in my computer performance has been down to combining lots of components, rather than any particular technological advance.
Certainly, the benchmarks show it is faster, but how it ‘feels’ is not greatly better than it was 5 years ago and it is an absolute pain in the butt to deal with the storage and moving anything around!
If a technology can come along that will provide a million fold increase in storage density and speed, together with a several hundred percent decrease in power requirement and consequent heating, then we’ll be onto something. Otherwise I think it will be a slower and more gradual process (I have to say that wouldn’t be a bad thing!).
They can cramp 20mpx into a 1/2.3″ mobile sensor too.
Eventually it will reach a point of diminishing returns and level off, apparently that point hasn’t been reached yet.
We actually reached that point already. Higher pixel density than A7RII means we need to make exposure much shorter to make sharp photos. 1/EFD rule doesn’t work anymore.
Nonsense.
You didn’t know that you have to make handheld exposure shorter the more Mpix you’ve got? Just get a low-Mpix and high-Mpix camera and see how many tack sharp shots you’ll do at 1/EFD.
No. I didn’t know we have “reached that point already”. And you don’t always need to make the exposure time shorter 🙂
Pixel density on A77ii (24 megapixel) is same as FF 54 megapixel sensor.
Hooray!! Comments are now open. Why are comments not open straight after rumours are posted?
Haha! If it’s A7R mk III I’m gonna laugh my ass off.
Before a7rii released, there was rumors said there are a9 mirrorless camera
And other rumors said a7rii mirrorless camera
Rumors talk about a7rii said : 42mp and ….. Etc . (Its the correct camera we see it now)
The other rumors said about a9 : it will have 50mp , fast autofocus (sony manager said we will bring mirrorless camera have autofocus useable for sport shooting) .. Also dont forget when sony manager said : (“sony 50mp camera will be cheaper than the canon 50mp camera”)
So i think there are tow cameras sony work for it from end of 2014
A7rii and its come , a9 and it will come !!
A7r2 already surpasses 5Ds with a big margin in all aspects including resolution ….I suppose your source means A mount camera with 42MP sensor as this rumor is pointless otherwise
All aspects…excluding resolution?
and certainly excluding colours too !
and let’s say .. AF, battery life, and many other valuable points
Colours? Got a link to a comparison?
Or af, for that matter…
The 5DS may be slightly faster in some situations, but never as accurate.
The A7rII beats the 5Ds in color accuracy, color depth and dynamic range across the entire ISO range. Newworld is living in a fantasy world.
Perhaps its the old problem with the definition of color quality – are you interested in good technical quality as a starting point for post processing? The Sony wins. Or is it a more about out of the box color rendition? Well, that’s a matter of taste – no conclusive answer here.
Interesting how manual focus or being light or having in-body stabilization etc. are always skipped. It is all about AF tracking, right?
Unless mirror lockup and magnified manual focusing is used, yes the A7rII beats the 5Ds in resolution. Using the above technique it’s a wash with no clear winner.
Well, in many aspects, then.
Yes, I quoted the original poster but your rephrasing says it best.
Do you care to show some comparison of resolution demonstrating this? I have not seen one where 5Ds shows any advantage at all.
Just IQ wise Canon really messed it up this time round.
I agree that the Sony sensor is superior. It does have less resolution though.
“Canon even suffers from lack of lens line up on this resolution where almost all Sony lenses are designed to work on A7r2” Really? Like the 24-70 f/4 that barely resolves 13Mpx on the A7r? 😉 Have you tried the 200 f/2L, 300 f/2.8L IS II, the 400mm f/2.8, etc… that easily surpass the Otus 85 on sharpness? And talking about Otii – they don’t even exist in the E-mount. The 70-200 f/2.8L IS II is exceptionally sharp on the 5ds r, Sony doesn’t even offer anything similar.
“With 5Ds R is marginally better but given the much worse high iso performance” is it based on your personal experience or did you read it in some blog? 🙂 Going over ISO 3200 would suck for both. Also the real life DR difference is marginal.
Does the “overpriced” by $400 Canon have worse IQ? Not sure either. Just try the 11-24 on the a7r2 and see how great will be your corners. It’s a different system, with a higher res sensor, better AF, better handling, really weather sealed, with an awesome native speedlight support. To me the lack of IBIS in a 50Mpx body is a bigger problem, that’s why I’m keeping both cameras 🙂
You comparing cheap Sony zooms to expensive Canon primes to make you point??? Lol
A $1200 Zeiss branded 24-70 f/4 lens is not cheap. What’s your point?
You compared the Sony 24-70 zoom £800
to the Canon 400mm f2.8 £6500
If you want to prove your point don’t pick the worst in Sony’s lineup and the best in Canon’s.
I don’t diss Canon’s lens line up or anything they make great gear but the OP is right that Canon does not have an advantage in the number of high resolving lenses over Sony (I would say it’s more or less equal) as they do in general. Sony’s FE lineup was mostly geared towards sharpness and resolving power from the get go.
To make such a statement please confirm the number of Canon’s and Sony’s lenses that can resolve over 30Mpx. The FF e-mount lenses geared towards compactness, not the sharpness or anything else you think of, that’s why we still don’t have 2.8 zooms and just one 1.4 prime. Please consult with Sony if in doubt.
How is the speed of the lens related to sharpness?? You are just throwing random arguments at me. Check DxO Lens rating for resolving power if in doubt I’ll not do your homework for you…
The speed is not related to the sharpness. Put your best glasses on and read it again: “The FF e-mount lenses geared towards compactness, not the sharpness or anything else”.
DxO ratings don’t mean much for lenses since they compare them on different sensors. Check out the-digital-picture.com or lenscore.org for the MTFs and real world numbers, I won’t be doing your homework either…
“The speed is not related to the sharpness”
Exactly! But you are saying it’s geared towards compactness and not sharpness.
Why do you think these two properties are mutually exclusive? I say it’s geared towards sharpness AND compactness. The next wave of lenses will be sharp AND fast.
They are pushing the megapixels and when designing the new lenses for FE they knew what sensors thise will need to serve.
From your incoherent ramblings I’m getting that you believe FE lenses(all of them) are not sharp and Canon’s are mega razor sharp.
That’s fine you are entitled to, I’ll just leave it at that.
Seems like you didn’t put your best glasses on as I asked you 😉 Where did you see I said that? You mad bro? That’s only because you see what you want to see.
RX645
I really doubt it would be an A7 type camera; it’s just too soon after the A7rII and with not much more resolution, unless they have finally cracked sports level focussing (It’s already much better than DSLR focussing for most purposes). But if it’s a sports camera I don’t believe 50+MP
I really doubt it could be an A99II – they just wouldn’t sell enough of them to justify the new sensor production. If there’s going to be an A99II, which I doubt, it’ll have to share a sensor with an e-mount camera.
That leaves MF (or rather, slightly bigger than full frame, which is the reality of Sony’s current MF sensor). That I could believe; either an RX style or even interchangeable (though I hope not interchangeable not because it won’t be good but because it’ll distract them from cranking out the lenses for FF)
Welcome to the world of Sony’s camera business. From, NEX-5N owner
They could launch a A992 just for show who has the bigger one of the market with a much higher price point.
Hoping for the MF fixed lens anyway.
A99II won’t sell? Come on, Canikons managed to sell much worse bodies. It’s all about marketing. One can sell donkey’s ears if it’s advertised good.
It all makes sense now. Sony has a backdoor strategy with regard to the A-Mount cameras. Get Canon and Nikon users to switch to E-Mount. Introduce them to adapted A-Mount lenses as they work a bit better on average than their own adapted Canon and Nikon lenses. Then introduce the totally kick ass A99ii and welcome the droves to dark side. 😉
In all seriousness though, I think you’re wrong about an A99ii not being able to sell. I think if you build a kick ass camera they will come. Regardless of what mount it uses. If not, there wouldn’t be so many Canon and Nikon users that love the A7Rii.
I think the sticking point with A mount for Canon & Nikon users has always been that you couldn’r adapt your lenses unlike how you can with the E mount which is why it’s so successful
Maybe 50+ mp MF fixed lens camera.
3.5 customers will buy it.
I reckon it’ll be a fixed lens RX camera with the 50 Mpx medium format sensor they already make
Unless this is an in-house use for the current Sony 50mp MF sensor, this sounds pointless and doesn’t ring true for a Sony 135 camera. It could be that Sony has been contracted to produce a 50mp sensor for Nikon – but this rumor states camera not sensor.
Again, it is one of 2 Kinds A-Mount 5k$ pro Camera, like Nikon 3’s or Canon 1’s!! One will be high resolution and the other one low resolution but high fps and ISO. There will be no translucent mirror and new high resolution EVF! !! Everything else dosen’t make sense.
A larger sensor (ahem) would be useful for a better image look…….and take Sony out of “prosumer-pixel-race” territory.
Whatever happened to the FE lens announcements?
they’ll probably wait until near the end of the holiday season, so that the current lenses lessen in inventory first
Ya, overheating problems.
as in after Black Friday/Cyber Monday
A7rii sensor outdated already…
doesn’t make the a7rii any worse
My former NEX 7 didn’t stop working when the RX1 came out.
But you did stop getting firmware updates.
Really? Its the best sensor technology by far! (BSI)
Organic sensors are better
Where can I buy it now?
Is it time for 8k video already? ;p. I hope if this camera comes out, they work out some sort of fast cards. I wonder if it’s possible to use sdxc cards as a striped raid array. (In the camera)
You would need a much faster CPU. As for now the Sony ones are behind the competition.
Which CPU in a small camera body like this is faster?
As far as I’ve been hearing, all of them. But I do own that largest bodied Sony camera, the A99 and it is NOT fast.
When 8k debuts, it will be in a setup that costs around 50k (top end Red, arri, cinealta etc) probably not in a still focused body.
The 42 MP sensor is an 8K sensor, just needs the back-end electronics to make use of it. Currently those electronics would be housed in a very large video camera running over $100,000. I thought Sony already had 8K video cameras at least at the experimental stage.
The 42mpix sensor cannot readout 8k video at video speeds. If you want your video at 6fps, it is 8k, yes.
6 fps with the current electronics back end in a small body. Large body with no issue due to heat or bandwidth or storage might be a different story, They can read the sensor fast enough to do full frame video, just the backside electronics that need improved for 8K. That may not be a trivial task and probably adds a lot to the cost, but a 2016 rumor looks to be a reasonable guess to me. Note, the rumor is for a $50,000 to $100,000 camera, not $5000
Again, the sensor itself cannot read it at high speed. If you mean by “backside electronic” the processor, the processor upgrade alone is not going to be sufficient if the sensor bus and A/Ds do not support much higher frequencies. And overclocking a CMOS chip by the factor of 4 is not feasible, no matter what kind of cooling you will give it.
There’s no 4k content yet and we are talking about 8k. Amazing!
Internet’s the future. Youtube is already filling up with 4k, and it looks great. My last 3 videos have been 4k (a7rii and rx100m4).
I think there is even some 16K content, but hideously expensive.
Nah, 8K is old, 16K is the future!
There are XQD and other extremely fast cards, so that is not the problem. Putting processing power in such a small device without overheating is.
Sure, $600/ 128GB card, no problem, and even still, that’s 400 mB/s, which is just fast enough for 4K pro res. Unfortunately 8k requires 4 times the bandwidth and storage. (128 GB = 6 min of 8k video) I was being facetious. Pro-Sumer 8k is a solid 4-5 years in the future, if vector based video doesn’t beat it to the punch. You could look at compressed data rates, and talk about the computing power required, but less compressed has to be somewhere in the pipeline.
What would sell more, a fixed-lens medium-format RX-type camera, or an a99ii?
How big is the all-around MF prime lens and what’s the point of having it in compact camera factor?
You make it approx. 35mm equivalent, and the benefit of having it fixed in a compact form factor is you don’t have to come up with an entirely new lens lineup.
What’s the size of 35mm equivalent for MF?
What you don’t know? How quaint.
Funny. Do you know?
Crop factor is a function of sensor size. Full frame (35mm) has a diagonal (corner-to-corner) size of 43mm. Since APS-C has a diagonal of 29mm (making the full-frame 1.5x bigger) it’s said to have a crop factor of 1.5. With a medium-format sensor, for which there is no fixed standard, and Sony’s sensors have been smaller than, say Phase 1’s, the crop factor would actually be in reverse, so that in order to have what would be a 35mm field of view in full-frame, you’d need, say, a 50mm lens in medium format. The aperture also has a conversion factor, so that Sony’s 35mm f/2 in the RX1 would translate to approximately 50mm f/4.5 in MF, for equivalent FOV and DOF. I think it would be cool if Sony actually released such a product. It would truly be niche, but it would blow open the MF category.
The current Sony MF sensor has a diagonal of 54.7mm for a crop factor of 0.79X. So the 35mm f/2 field of view lens would be 44mm, at f/2.5 if you wanted same DoF, A 45mm f/2.8 would be pretty close. Most of the MF makers seem to have a 45mm f/2.8 so should be very doable. May also want to try for a 35mm f/1.4 which would be a 45mm f/1.8.
Oh and BTW, medium format lenses are physically bigger than their FF equivalents because they’ve got a larger circle of light.
Yeah, thats why I’m asking.
“Bodies over lens” is a strategy of imminent failure.
I’ve seen some fantastic images made from extremely cheap vintage MF primes on A7 cameras…
Canon glass also does very well.
Not sure why everyone is saying 5K+ for a flagship (a9 a99ii) In these days does it have it be?
Canon and Nikon said so 🙂 Sony will follow. The high-end but not top of the line 5dsr was $3900 at launch as far as I remember.
” All they told him is that image quality would surpass the one from the current Canon 5dS cameras”
I thought it was widely established that in every measurable way except pure resolution, the 42mp BSI Sony sensor was better than Canon’s 50pm sensor.
So, does that statement mean: “more resolution with the Sony tech that you know”?
Can you show a comparison where 5Ds shows more detail than A7r2?
From what I have seen 5dsR shows minute difference in detail and only at base iso.
So i am thinking this rumor is probably about new camera with better handling, battery, dual card support etc. that can stand up to 5Ds for professional use in those regards.
DPReview studio scene. More details. It’s just them 8mp more giving it a bit more detail, that’s it. It’s not amazing, but it’s there and its undeniable.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-7r-ii/5
If you refer to this. I see advantage for 5DsR but not for 5Ds
It will come vs announced in the next few month vs next month?
They WILL NOT have a new FF sensor so soon after the 42mpix one in A7rII. So if it is 50mpix, it is the MF 50-mpix used everywhere.
The big question is it ILC or fixed lens. Fixed lens would be better in the eyes of Sony from planned obsolescence standpoint. It will be “cheaper” than 645z with a prime, but then you’ll throw out the prime with the whole camera in a few years and will have to buy another…
Technically the best fixed lens would be a “zooming prime” similar to Sigma 24-35 and upcoming Tamron 14-20/2, only slower to keep it compact. On MF fixed lens camera, something like 30-50/4 could be made light and compact, and would make it a landscaper’s dream. But Sony has not made anything like this yet, probably no expertise, and regular zooms are bigger and heavier.
If it has an A99 like body, I will buy one, no questions asked.
And I don’t even need it!
Good thinking 🙂
Hope this is NOT the “secret camera” was mentioned few days back.
I would agree this is unlikely to be the long awaited A99M2. I think this is more likely an A9 with an 5D equalizing sensor at 50Mp+. A larger body, but not as big at A99. E-mount for sure, but with facility to take APS-C size images and AF to match sports requirements. Sports shooters would use APS-C and have AF and shooting speed to match CAN/NIK. Bigger battery as well. Such a camera could be “universal” for all top range shooters from landscape/architecture/fashion to sports. Any quality lens would be usable through current adapters. Could be a real winner.
Things that do not make too much sense:
– new higher resolution FF sensor so soon after A7rII;
– flagship camera optimized for resolution, not usability, speed and precision;
– new MF interchangeable lens system for a niche market.
Absolutely agree. A7r2 is not bad in resolution even Af is ok. However there is a host of drawbacks Sony needs to solve for professional market.
5Ds or D810 do not compete much with A7r2 at present. A7r2 is simply not pro grade camera for weddings and stuff – the body is small and does not look very robust, battery is small, only one card slot. these types of operational issues seem to plague an otherwise fantastic from technological perspective camera.
All true but these problems are not so relevant to the affluent hobbyiest/amateur and I have a feeling that this market is bigger than the Wedding/Event Pro-Photographer-Market who already have settled for Nikon/Canon anyway. (and need fast zooms that aren´t available on e-mount)
Even the professional photographers market seemed to shrink during the last decade. Sony aims at advanced amateurs which is about right.
Sony is actively solving every complaints, but it takes time, see how the second generation A7 improved from its predecessor? The coming A9 will definitely solve the problem you mentioned, an A9 will sure have a larger body, which means a larger and newly designed battery, it will also be equipped with dual card slots.
I would agree with that.
Sony is moving fast and the difference between the A7r and A7r mk2 is HUGE !
– It does if it’s an A9 (or an A9x A-mount) – whatever form that will take
– Depends who the target market it – but usability and precision are very vague terms, what do you mean by them?
– Has that even been rumoured to any reliable degree?
1) It costs a lot to set up production for a new sensor, even more so if it requires smaller lithography or new kind of stacked design. It is unlikely that these costs have been recovered from A7rII alone. Making a new sensor would both undermine the A7rII sales and the sensor sales to other manufacturers (Nikon).
2) If we look at the pro shooters, then basically there are two distinct use cases. There are landscape, studio, product photographers who are willing to sacrifice some of ergonomics and speed for ultimate image quality (A7rII has been very well accepted among these). Then there’s event, sports, wedding photographers who are willing to sacrifice some of image quality for ultimate ergonomics, durability and speed of operation. For the first group, A7rII already ticks most of the boxes. It is the second group that is complaining about lack of featuers/products in the Sony line-up, but that group does not really need 42Mpix or more, if it means slower writes, smaller buffers, less fps etc.
3) there have been rumors, but as I said – they do not make any sense.
A99ii:
– 54 Mp bsi FF sensor (24 Mp crops!)
– 8 frames per second +
– large buffer (30 + shots)
– fast autofocus (A77ii quality speed and tracking)
– AF full coverage (similar to A7Rii)
– 5 axis IBIS
– 4k internal recording
– lossless compressed RAW
– ISO 50-102400
– completely silent shutter
– dual card slot would be nice but not necessary 🙂
And yes, the A99ii is A-Mount. It hasn’t mysteriously converted to an E-Mount fanboy’s wet dream.
Make that please. I have the money burning a hole in my pocket waiting for something that even vaguely resembles that.
Sony is out for blood. Get ready to start paying up the a$$ for Sony FF. I bet the a7iii will be $2200.
$2200 is probably peanuts compared to what 1DxII, 5D4 and D5 price tags will look like.
A7iii model would compete with D600/D750, 6D etc… even 5D is way out of its league.
Sony have a bit of homework before they can challenge 1Dx and D4s
That depends on what standard you are using. I’ve found Canon DSLRs exceptionally reliable and robust. However, when it comes to innovation and features, Sony is far ahead. If you look at what really matters – image quality – I think Sony surpassed Canon a few generations ago.
What exactly do you mean with IQ? DR at base ISO, DR at high ISO, S/N ratio? Looking at the photographs at 500px, flickr etc., I think it is more the fault of the photographer than using a specific camera in many cases.
By “image quality” I mean ISO performance and dynamic range, yes. As an added bonus, Sony gives you more resolution, too (with the exception of the 5Ds). You don’t need the best tech to make a good image – that’s where artistry and technique come in – but it does help.
Not all photography is about art.
“Sony surpassed Canon a few generations ago”
Really, when?
The 1Dx and 4Ds are in a class of their own, you are not going to see something like it in those tiny flimsy mirrorless bodies.
Those are flagships. I’m betting the bottom rung of Sony FF will become very expensive.
It should be cheaper because of the more funky all contracted-out after sales service in some countries.
It’s the A77III.
Come on, Sony, just give us the a7000/a6100. Doesnt really matter if it’s just an incremental upgrade from the a6000, I’ll be willing to pay $1000+ for it, so long as it has 4k internal with no (or only minimal) overheating issue.
That would be nice, but I would prefer if they keep the same price as the a6000 now, otherwise I can get a used A7r (back 🙂 for about the same.
This is the one I’m waiting for as well to replace my aging 7D. I just want it to have awesome AF and high FPS. As an added bonus, if autofocus works well with a metabones speedbooster for those indoor sports shots.
Definitely for A-mount.
Want to hit more of the pro market? Take out the dang SLT. It could be called A9, but make it an A99 form with E-mount to be used with the LA-EA3. Heck, sell it WITH the LA-EA3. They’ve already basically done this with the a3000, but bigger FF lenses make this form more necessary for ergonomics. The amount of direct controls on the A99 are amazing as well. The writing has been on the wall for years that this would eventually be the progression to replace the SLT, so let’s just see it finally happen.
Nothing bad about a dedicated focusing sensor or a mirror
A flappy mirror won’t happen as they have already closed the door on that. The dedicated focusing sensor isn’t as much the issue as the light blocking aspect of the mirror. Also, there is the fact that they would continue to use crop sensor coverage but on FF. This is already happening on the A7 line where it doesn’t get as full of AF coverage as the a6000, but full crop coverage on FF is still a lot of coverage. What I see happening as I originally describe is the best of both worlds. A-mount, “DSLR-style” ergonomics and controls, huge AF coverage, no light blockage, and ability to use E or A mount lenses. With my A7Rii, I see no need to wait for FE 2.8 zooms as they won’t be that much smaller than A-mount. However, I’ll definitely need a grip to wield A-mount lenses on it for balance.
Why remove the SLT? From everything I’ve heard, the reason people don’t like SLT is the loss of light. But a BSI sensor more than makes up for that small loss of light. If the sensor is more sensitive than the competition’s sensors, wouldn’t the dedicated focusing power of the SLT be an added bonus instead of a very slight loss?
What is your issue with SLT, and what pro segment are you referring to? What causes you to believe that for SLT is any kind of significant impediment for a substantial number of pros who might otherwise consider switching to Sony? While their are certainly some stodgy shooters out there who wouldn’t think of using anything but an OVF, I believe the deficient Sony ecosystem for supporting pro shooters both in terms of the availability and quality of the ancillary equipment, and the responsiveness and convenience of support when things go wrong, is a far greater barrier than any concern about using a camera that relies upon SLT technology.
The responsiveness and convenience of support when things go wrong for sure is an issue in most developed countries where Sony has divested their repairs facilities… Turnaround cannot be guaranteed from contracted companies who also have very little spare parts inventories…
But let’s see what happens !
First off, I shot with SLT using the LA-EA2 on 3 different NEX and the external EVF. Those were my test to see if I was willing to go to the A99. My experience was that the light loss of the SLT plus Sony’s underexposure compared to my Nikon DSLR, there was close to a full stop of light lost, not the 1/3 stop commonly touted. That is significant and yet why I personally think that Sony has been fine so far offering lenses around a stop slower than Fuji. A stop slower lens on mirrorless is about the same as faster on SLT. Constantly having a 1 stop ND filter becomes significant when you compare it to everybody else.
I guess I honestly ask: what is so superior with SLT compared to the progressing technology of on sensor PDAF/CDAF? Maybe this is an issue of on sensor closing the performance gap. I know that my A7Rii’s AF coverage is much better than the A99 even though they are both crop sensor coverage. What if this new sensor would have full coverage like the a5100/6000? Amazing.
So light loss is the biggest problem of SLT, AF is probably better for now but unknown as development of on sensor AF is progressing quickly, but lastly is the ability to use A or E-mount lenses. Use native E-mount lenses, and they would be like pancakes on a big body. Sony has initially messed up IMO by having small, thin mirrorless bodies but without small lenses. Having smallER lenses is nice with mirrorless, but they often need bigger bodies/grips to be more comfortable.
In my experience (a77 & a77mII), light loss has been a non-issue. Maybe adapted SLT introduces some issues. On the other hand, the benefits of SLT have been dramatic and noticeable. I can’t imagine that the minimal light loss on a native SLT would be a deal breaker. A better test might be to rent an a99 for a few days and give it a try. (P.S. The a99 is a bit dated now. The a77mII has better low light performance than the a77, so maybe the a77II would be a better test bed.)
LA-EA2 &4 use the exact same translucent mirror as the others, so light transmission is the same. Maybe you are just used to what the light loss is, and the benefits of an EVF outweigh the loss. I’m just asking what is so much inherently better of SLT vs. on sensor focusing. Adding CDAF makes focusing much more accurate. If you could use standard A-mount lenses but also remove a part and then use even smaller lenses, how is that a bad thing?
If one thing has been proven true it is that adapted lenses do not work equivalently to a native mount, so I am not sure your deduction is accurate. I think if I was losing a full stop I would notice. How did you measure that? So far, no mirrorless camera can keep up with my SLT (a77mII) for shooting sports. I don’t think SLT tech would be a deal breaker for a Pro. Slow and inaccurate autofocus would be.
They’ll have to release native lenses first. No adapter will do.
This doesn’t make sense. Why can you not use the LA-EA3 on full frame? And there ARE native FE lenses. Your response makes no sense to me unless you are ASSUMING this is a medium format sensor which I doubt.
Also, why do previous comments/conversation on my comment keep disappearing? Weird.
Any adapter reduces the durability, weather-sealing and slows down changing lenses. Additionally, LA-EA3 doesn’t support full functionality of FE bodies (Eye-AF and so on).
There’re no native f/2.8 zooms.
Adapters are a good stop-gap solution for unhurried photography, but not a permanent fix.
1. No reason that weather sealing gaskets can’t be added to an adapter.
2. Eye-AF functionality is certainly possible enough to integrate if you design the camera to work that way from the design stage.
3. 2.8 zooms ARE coming
4. You know that you don’t have to remove the adapter AND lens. You can just remove the A-mount lens and replace with the next. You obviously haven’t used one before.
SLT has been talked about many times previously as a bit of a stop gap technology until something better can match or beat AF performance. At some point soon, it sure seems like we are going to get there. The question is when, but it is only a matter of time at this point. The writing has been on the wall really since Nikon was able to add PDAF to their 1″ sensor for mirrorless.
Released in the next few months? Its going to collide with the a68 if its also A-mount. Strange not to see a68 inherit any of this new tech.
Not necessarily. A68 is obviously targeted for low cost. That’s why they downgraded (relative to the A65) the EVF, LCD, lens mount, and frame rate. This rumored 50MP beast will be positioned well above the A77ii, and probably above the A99.
I wonder if it’d be a good time to divest in any assets related to medium format cameras?
If you enjoy using the cameras, why worry about it?
The final nail in the coffin…
Canon’s already asleep anyways, might as well put them to bed.
This nail has been cited quite a few times in recent years. And still…
Most photographers won’t make better pictures only because they use a Sony sensor.
Might have been cited, but never by me.
Sony tech might not make crappy photographers good, but it does make good photographers better.
If you don’t think new tech makes your a better photographer, then go stick with point and shoots and cell phone cameras…
it’s going to be a “nail” when Sony has at least 30% of market share, which means a huge 10% drop by Nikon AND Canon. Could it happen? Yeah, sure, but those market shifts just don’t happen overnight, especially when 3 out of 4 cameras sold today are still DSLRs. That’d be a very hard thing to do in an expanding market, even harder in a declining market (as it is today).
For sure… it’s all about baby steps in the right direction.
I’ve already witnessed several diehard canikon fans convert.
So how long do you think for Sony to hit that magic 30% number?
I’m not an expert at all, and all I write here are very personal opinions based on common sense and a little bit of logic (I hope). As of 2015, Sony has around 1/3-1/4 of market share that Canon has (and a little bit more compared to Nikon). It’s going to take a HUGE effort to top those numbers.
It’s like opening a Fast Food restaurant in a town where there are already 4 McDonalds and 3 BurgerKings (and where people are pretty happy with those), and make something so incredibly good that half of MD customers and a third of BK’s will just choose that one new restaurant, which in turn will open 2 more places to satisfy its new demand.
I remember the day when In-N-Out came to Dallas – the lines were huge, about 40-60 min wait (for an average burger chain!). Now seems like nobody cares anymore 🙂
A nail does not a coffin make.
I’d like a mirror-less camera body with 33×44 sensor that will accept Canon tilt-shift lenses, Mamiya 645, and Pentax 645 lenses via adapters.
Actually it’s the same as A7RII’s.
Maybe my math is wrong. 24 x 2.25 = 54, no? You have 2.25 times the area on a FF sensor, so if pixel density is equal, you need 2.25 times the pixels. Right now, if you put A7Rii in crop mode, I believe you get a less than 19 megapixel picture.
The Rorschach test is a totally non-specific inkblot and everyone makes a differrent comment about it.
This is a totally non- specic rumor and everyone has a differrent comment about it.
10 new FF cameras each year
1 new FF lens each 10 years
yeah, yeah, i know.. there is Canon lenses 🙂 and when Canon is ready with FF mirrorles will be really easy to switch to Canon 🙂 awesome 🙂
Everything that could possibly go wrong with the lenses went wrong.
If Zeiss had taken us seriously from the beginning, there would be 4 Batis lens by now.
If Sony had more resources in the lens team, we would have gotten the lenses they promised us for 2015.
I just cannot agree more with you.
Not sure about every possible thing going wrong- but the choice in lens releases has been a bit of a misfire. For someone adopting- it looks like you have three incomplete lens line ups right now.
3 loxias- not bad but this is a niche product and no where near Fuji’s line up yet.
55 and 35- then we get introduced to the Batis line? WTF? So are we to get a Batis 50- maybe an ultra wide angle and what about that 135?
24-70 needs to be replaced. 55 is supposedly a slow focusing lens as well which I wonder if we’ll then get a MK II version.
Ahhhhh!
This rumor is totally useless … another 50mp camera *already* ? Where are those new e-mount lenses ? … now that’s a rumor to follow !
Medium format? That is the only thing that can beat a 35mm sensor.
A curved sensor Medium Format fixed lens camera. I’d think a larger curved sensor would be easier to create than a 35mm anyway.
I’m totally guessing, but the curved sensor should also enable them to make the lens much smaller. Modest size with a modest price. Medium format for the masses!!!
“Modest size with a modest price.” the first gen – maybe, since all users will be officially Sony guinea pigs, but for the second gen be prepared to shell out…
But but… I thought Sony said 42mp was best for video? Right before they launched the SII.
For me, if this new Sony is EMount, then I’m out for good… For good I tell ya!
Hoping this is the A9 camera with a next generation sensor, but not holding my breath
I just don’t see an A9 with these features unless it’s a DSLR shaped camera. Even then, why would sony compete with their own A7RII at 3200.00. Nope.
If it’s too big then folks will just go and buy a 5DS instead. The added specs I don’t think would be attractive enough- most would just go for the A7RII and “live with it” in terms of size. They’d be competing against themselves.
I think it’s an A99II or MF fixed lens camera. I’m leaning toward the MF.
And again 0 lenses from start 🙂 And they will probably open the new MF mount specs so Metabones and Co can make some adapters for the existing mounts. If it worked once why not to try it again? 🙂 My only concern is the price, I doubt it will be cheaper the 645z…
If it’s fixed-lens, though, that’s a non-issue.
Yeah, I think it’s more likely MF than A99II.
I believe that Sony could use the form / weight factor as a product differentiation. Some people said they want large, heavy, DSLR shaped, ultra fast, high ISO, with all the so called “Pro” bells & whistles so it may be that Sony will just launch that product in A-mount to test the market. If it works then they may pursue with A-mount but if it does not they may phase it out…
Surely such mama of a camera would not compete with the A7r mk2 which is a smaller form & lighter camera…
Looks like a re-post of the old rumor http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-sony-to-announced-the-new-50-megapixel-camera-within-weeks-image-quality-outperforms-the-canon-5ds/ to generate some clicks? And still SR4…
In the headline the words were mixed – it should be:
“(SR4) Sony ready to launch a new “almost” 50 Megapixel camera Image quality outperforms the Canon 5ds?”
If you can’t build a better camera, just ad Mega Pixels!
Because that always makes a camera better…….
Indeed, Sony should focus on increasing camera abilities and not sensor capabilities, they have a lot to catch up.
I guess it’s time for Medium Format. It should come with an A-mount converter, and eventually, converters for all kinds of lenses.
could be the new Medium Format — ish cam.
I was in a high tourist area (Yale) his weekend mostly saw people with big neck anchors. Man, the DSLR is seriously not dead in America. Do you really need a massive 5D MK III with a 24-105 F4 zoom in an art gallery? Even I was using a compact.
Now here is what is funny. They had a photography gallery- and of course I don’t know the name of the guy- but all of the pictures where black and white snapshots of his TV screen with the closed captions on the bottom. I’m dead serious. It was three rooms of low res images that could have been taken with a cell phone.
This folks, this is what gets into art galleries.
Yup, those “high end” galleries are sad to behold. That’s post-modernism for you!
5D3 with 24-105/4 is nothing! What amazes me are the photourists (not to be mistaken with photographers on vacation or assignment) with 1Dx’es and D4s’es, ideally with fast L glass. I was on Taj Mahal full moon tour where they let you to view it under full moon from a distance with zero artificial light. Basically you are not allowed to take ANYTHING with you, except for one camera with one lens. No camera bag, no phone, no food, no nothing. Tripods are a strict no no, not even the small gorilla pods or even bean bags. I was shooting with A7rII and FE70200 on “shoepod” (take shoe off, use it much like you would use a bean bag to rest lens barrel on) and getting pretty cool images because there was still some twilight colors in the sky and Taj was lighted up by full moon. Anyway, there was a guy with 1Dx and 85L, trying to get his shots hand-held. He was obviously getting very frustrated. He then approached me and asked me what kind of images I was getting and wanted to know how the hell do I manage to AF in such a low light. Had to explain him that he’s never going to get anything usable hand-held at F1.2 at ISO 51k, even if he somehow manages to hit the focus.
Into some art galleries but perhaps the pictures were pleasant and artistic ? High resolution, low resolution, colors, black & white, filters, sharpness, etc… are all tools we can use within our individual creativity to express some emotion.
It’s never going to stop is it? I don’t mind new cameras every two or three years but this seems insane!
If the camera fits my needs, it’s okay to have an update every 3 years. But A7-line does not. Waiting for either small-body FF or A6000 successor.
Why should it stop ? The thing Sony should also focus on is the after sales service in developed countries…
Insane!
Sony bring finally a FF camera with a new sensor technology to the market, not Pixel Monster!
I’m concerned by Sony’s tendency to go high MP….
We need the feature of low resolution in photo-oriented cameras too! (not video-oriented A7S)
It’s no coincidence that top Canikon bodies have 16-18Mp sensors!
If your priority is speed, you don’t want to be slowed down by huge 50Mp files to get 1280×720 images that you need to publish ASAP.
Low resolution RAW => less time to write to card, to clear buffer, to bunch-process, to publish, less space to store.
Come on Sony, not everybody shoots landscapes! A7SII sensor + top Sony AF = killer reportage camera!
This is what they could and should have done with A7sII – add best OSPDAF to that sensor and beef up read-out speed for less EVF lag. Instead they only updated outer shell, shutter mechanism, maybe CPU and the firmware.
A7S – series is so crippled in terms of frame rate. So it is a video expert but a stills crap.
Just shoot video in 4k and there you go – 30fps stills with a 30 minute buffer!
An no reasonable AF. And 16:9 8mpix pictures with inter-frame compression.
Relax, it’s called a joke.
Errrrmm…… A7S a stills crap??? I’m just in the mood shown in my avatar.
🙂
Slow AF and slow framerate. A7S could do soooo much better.
What about the IBIS ? Does it not gives more speed ???
I agree. I don’t need more than 24 mp. Won’t buy a camera with more than 24mp unless it is cheap (<€1600) or has killer features such as global shutter and a6000 AF or better.
High res RAW can be downsampled before writing it to the card. See Nikon. Now, readout speed is a different thing.
Actually, the A7S AF isn’t that bad (for a mirrorless), especially in low light.
pretty vague rumor that deserves sr1. but if true, not likely an e-mount to overshadow a7rii. so a-mount is most likely. mf with a new mount and no lens is also not likely.
Doesn’t make sense for E-mount or RX-series cameras. It got to be A-mount, is the only lineup of cameras without the 42Mpx sensor.
But I’m wondering…why go all the way with 50Mpx instead of giving A-mount users something as capable as D4S/1DX with a 16mpx or something sensor with ISO409600?
Need to catch up with Canon, Sony can’t just tolerate that some other folks are offering more megapixels 🙂 People love megapixels, on paper they sound magically impressive.
Why not release fast one, the high resolution one then the sensitive one as Sony did for the A7 series ?
sony, you better make a fuji like body and you’ll get a lot more attention
You don’t really get a lot more attention by being a copycat.
if sony doesn’t do something with its body and menu design it will star loosing ppl.
I’ve tried Fujis a couple times, and the one thing I can’t stand is their body style. They look cool, yeah, but don’t really handle that great.
Depends on the model. The XM and XA models are atrocious, the XE and X-Pro I personally can’t stand, but the XT line is very nice. Now, if it could just focus better in low light…
XT-1 is alright; the XT-10 I couldn’t stand – needs more of a grip. Personally, I just don’t get into all the old-school dials either; actually takes me longer to change settings than what I can do with more modern designs. The IQ on them is great, and there are certain features I like, but overall they’re just not as usable for me. That’s just personal preference, but I think that’s why one can’t make blanket statements like “Sony should make their bodies more like Fuji” or vice versa, as the maker will likely alienate just as many users as they attract if they do. Let each fill their niche.
Fonk, please let me know how do you find that XT series makes you loose more time changing settings than the sony.
Haha. I was thinking the same thing. If Fonk would say he is quicker with his Canon 5D compared to the Fuji’s, I would believe it. But not the Sony with their UI.
Sony isn’t too keen on hipsters. They want to be more original.
well, thats ok but every body ho has use different models ( i am not tolking only the fuji ones here) will tell you that its nos only matter of style but the handling and the joy to use.
Considering the tiny number of Fuji users compared to other mirrorless options they are for certain not the company to immitate
Name the other mirrorless camera dessign you think it is better than fuji and sony…
I’d say the fuji and olympus look is good for those who liked older cameras, but the sonys are the best “modern” design.
An XPRO1 like camera. I agree.
The old mf format Sony sensor is 50 mp right? This looks like a new mf rx-camera. I don’t believe they would make an a-mount camera with a brand new sensor. And I don’t think they would cannibalize a7rII sales.
This rumor is non-sense.
Sony has a brand new 42 MP sensor, they don’t need to reach 50 MP right now, unless it’s a significant increase like a 100 MP sensor, which is highly unlikely for technical reasons as well as commercial reasons.
Moreover Sony publicly explained 42 MP is the best format to combine Image Quality and 4K ablilities, releasing a 50 MP wouldn’t make sense at all.
The other possible option of releasing a medium format camera wouldn’t make sense yet, cause they are so committed on Full Frame. Only a medium format sensor in a DSLR size body would make sence.
What Sony needs to release now is A7 III and A99 II and A9 (high end professionnal grade A7RII).
We’ve seen from Sony powerpoints that they focused on Resolution, Sensibility and Speed, we have the A7RII, the A7SII, we’re lacking the Speed model which could introduce the new FF Sensor.
And A7III will need a new sensor, althought the 24MP one is good, might fall vs the competiton for the forthcoming years because we should remember that was introduced in to the A99 if I’m not mistaken.
I wouldn’t be surprised.
A-mount is dead. Get over it guys.
What about the A68? It hasn’t even started shipping yet.
Nope. Apparently it has 50mp of life.
I really hope for you guys who want it. But honestly, I doubt it.
Want a new high end a-mount camera? Yes, definitely. Sign me up yesterday.
Is it coming? I honestly think there is no doubt that it is on its way.
Do I want 50mp? Tougher question. It is not a big deal for me personally, but high resolution can be advantageous if you are shooting sports (which I do) with two important caveats.
When shooting action at a distance, composition can be tricky and there can be distracting elements on the periphery of a shot. If you have a lot of MP to play around with, you can often improve a shot in post with artful cropping.
But lots of MP is only useful under two conditions: (1) the camera has to have enough of a buffer and internal processing power so that you can keep on shooting at a high frame rate; (2) the extra MPs cannot come at the expense of a noisy sensor. Many times you will be shooting outdoors at night or in dimly lit indoor venues so you will have to kick up the ISOs to get enough shutter speed. Relatively speaking, sports images can tolerate a bit of graniness, unlike a fashion shoot. But there comes a point.
I think it should be a Hassleblad a mount camera… 🙂
Actually Hasselblad uses A and E mount
What A-Mount camera should they redesign? They already did the A99. The A77II? The A68 is too new for that.
April first is more than a “few” months in the future.
Who cares for a 50+ megapixel camera? You’ll need 100+ mp to see any difference compared to the 42 mp sensor.
100 mp is 50+
Of course I expected answers like this. Than simply state 60+, 70+ or whatever +, but 50+ indicates between 50 and 60, otherwise, you can call it 60+ no?
And 6+ as well. 😉
Thom Hogan hinted that Nikon will skip the 42 MP sensor in their next generation of D810 update (very little improvement over the 36 MP sensor when it comes to still photography) and go for an as-yet un-announced 54 MP Sony sensor. Perhaps that’s the one he was talking about and it’ll appear in the high-end A-mount update and A9. Will be interesting to see how that 54 MP sensor compares to the 42 MP. The good news is that you can expect serious price drop on the A7R II if that’s true.
“Full frame” is way too small for 100mp – you would get clean iso 25-50 and the rest would suck. Your lenses would look soft and your heartbeat would cause visible additional blurriness due to camera shake even if mounted on a tripod.
In 20 years you will find plenty of 100MP FF cameras with good ISO above 6400 for less then 100 bucks on ebay. But then, no one will buy this low resolution crap anymore. 😉
Maybe… but it´s not so clear cut as you make it look. Let´s say tech advances really that fast in that direction. We would need lenses for that kind of resolution and lens technology advances much slower than sensor tech and at a much higher cost. And with 100+mp cameras you need a whole infrastructure to make use of it – displays, storage, computer power – these might not be problems at all, though. I´d say that lenses and costs and practical = visible benefits of extreme resolution will be the bottlenecks.
I think that in the future (10 years from now) the average (serious) amateur photographer will be using cameras with much smaller sensors – like mft or 1inch and these will be as good if not better than our current full frame systems. Larger sensored cameras are going to be niche products.
I don’t think lens development will slow the resolution race. Look at the pixel density of the small sensors. It is already crazy high. The tiny optics in these (mostly not so expensive) smartphone camera modules are extremely advanced in terms of resolution and small tolerances.
Look at recent lenses like the Canon 16-35/4L (just an example). It is crazy sharp at 50MP, almost zero CA and reasonably priced ($1k). It puts even Zeiss/Leica to shame. Believe me, they (all manufacturers) can if they need.
So let’s just imagine this camera is an A99II going up against the 5DS. Which one is Ronda Rousey and which one is Holly Holm?
I’m hoping the sensor is physically larger: a medium format RX style camera with weather sealing and integrated EVF. And low noise. Won’t so much Rez compromise noise levels on a FF sensor? Although Sony will no doubt lead here as usual, the physics must kick in. And 50 vs 42? Okay… Why?
This is my post some time back aka: A-mount Sony is coming. Full-Frame camera. It will collide head on with new Canon 52mp cams. It should be announced before Christmas.
This is not a monkey business this is a reality.
P.s. Origin of this information is Japan, Sony central facility.
SONY is seriously is going to compete with CANON on DSLR level.
are you serious?
I am very serious. Logically, Sony got the arsenal of A-Lenses and they are very good. Sony love affair with Zeiss is a huge bonus on top of reality, that SONY is The King of the sensor manufacturing. No surprise, that NIKON and “others” are using Sony sensors. Hasselblad and PhaseOne among others …
I hope you are right, they have the sensors, they have the lenses. They are getting more reputation now among pros from the a7 series. It could be the age of Sony soon.
Yes, but don’t forget, that CaNikon has the lenses as well. And they have great cameras. They just don’t have the greatest sensors.
It could be as you said. But I hardly think it will.
NIKON in my opinion is making a better quality wise product then CANON. I have seen a few CANON camera bodies apart and I was in the panic when I have seen they (CANON) use tapes to hold cables intact. CANON 1V was state of art cam as well as NIKON F5. But CANON Di-Gi department is way behind of CANON 1V legacy.
On the other hand SONY if they will improve weather/moist seal on their line of A7 and DSLR cams with their state of art sensors, well now we are talking since SONY got a lot of resources from SONY/MINOLTA ing. department. SONY Pro line video cameras are also the source of inspiration for A7 and DSLR cams as far as physical build.
Anyhow. Let’s see what’s happen.
Btw. Companies like NEEWER do NOT help to SONY cams reputation since yesterday I have discovered a fix for NEEWER-SONY A6000 power grip. I have to use plastic spacers to make it work. NEEWER power grips for A7 and A6000 are made in such a lousy fashion it is almost hilarious. Just beside the point.
Yes, Sony is the king sensor manufacturing. Agreed. Absolutely.
But they are far from being the king of camera manufacturing. And they are light years away from being the king on DSLR level.
You can read everywhere here on SAR that Sony failed with A-Mount only because of the stupid customers, who don’t get how much better the A-Mount cameras are. But that is not the truth. It’s just reality distortion.
Hope u are rite. Also heard from someone in Sony about a-mount at the end of 2015, but that info was from earlier this year
50 is the new 36! 😉
Even if they do come out with a new Amount camera with 50mp and correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t their lenses horrible at resolving all those mp? I know they have the 135 and 85 which are great, but what else do they have that creates that wow factor? Again, not to upset anyone, I’m not that familiar with their amount line up.
Totally happy with the a7rii although I do wish they had a legit wide angle astro lens.
the 24mm f2 and za 50mm f1.4 are pretty good. they do miss a good 35mm though
I would be confident that the sony 50mm 1.4 can resolve 50mp. It’s not best at lower apertures but past f2.5 it’s rock solid. I’m sure the 50mmm zeiss is even better.
DXO: On the A99, the Sony 50 1.4 scored 27 points and 16 for sharpness which makes it decent. I’m sure the Zeiss would score better, but that’s not guaranteed. The 85mm 1.4 Sony Zeiss scored 31 points and 16 for sharpness which is arguably their best lens. If not, then the 135? Regardless, those lenses do not make up a camera system for anyone who is serious when there are other options out there from Canikon and would you want to invest in Sony A-Mount lenses when one day they might say… Nevermore! Just saying.
I agree with what you say. I can’t think of any Canon lenses that could compete with the sony zeiss 85mm or 135mm 1.8? If you shot 85mm %95 of the time as I do then the lens matters. For a wide scope prob nikon has the best spread out there now. Canon has the best bang for the buck but the lenses are not really that great.
I can wildly guess here….. Sony will be taking the camera sensor from the Pentax 645Z & putting it into one of their RX series!
That will be EPIC~
Some conspiracy theorist believes that SanDisk & Micron are behind all of this Mega pixel war.
Some conspiracy theorist believes that the SAR admin is a Canon 5DsR fan. 😀
I assume this will be a FF sensor camera. All we need now is 50+ megapixel-ready lenses. Well, in a few billion years when we will get a new universe with new laws of physics, may be. I think this megapixel race is just great. When I will finally have picked up an A7II for tuppence secondhand, I will never have to buy another camera again. Brilliant!
80% lenses are 80mpix + ready
In your dreams. I hate to repeat myself here. I have had this discussion before and posted a link to a very good article on the subject by a physics professor from Spain. Conclusion: the limit for FF set by physics is about 45 MP – under optimal conditions (light, aperture, distance setting etc.). You can find the article via a discussion of the subject on Luminous Landscape (do your own Google search, please. Thanks!).
so you say that if we put lens in front of 46mpix cmos ,we will see glass grain ?
or we will losee light ? or ???
yo are in simple words dumb to belive that
look phase one lenses ,same glass like any other ,ed kind
and how much mpix that have 44 ??
Is it humb or dumb? Can you translate this into plain English, please. If you mean it is different for larger sensors, you are right. I am always amazed how aspiring photographers fail to familiarize themselves with even the basics of the technology underlying their hobby. The camera manufacturers’ marketing departments love you to bits.
Why? Are you afraid Sony will force you to buy the camera?
You are kidding, right?
Can someone explain to me what is the practical difference (in images) between a 42MP and 50MP sensor? What I’m trying to say is, why on earth should Sony bring out a 50MP sensor so shortly after a groundbreaking 42MP sensor?
it will be over 50 so like 54 58 .and it’s called progresssss
I wish it is a kind of digial Mamiya 7II. Sony likes 7II.
To be honest now. At least with myself.I am desperat waiting for the new A-mount camera. And i really want 50++ mp. That because i belive that the sharpness on my lenses 24mm f.2, za 50mm f.1,4, za 85mm f.1,4 and my Sony 70-200 f.2,8 G mark II, will be even sharper and better contrast images, with a higher mp camera, than it does with my current Alpha 99.
the phisics law dont say 100MP on FF is useless
100mp is only affected by diffraction only above F/4.6
50mp of the 5DSR are “limited” to F/6.4
and under 2.8 diffraction does not affect a 275MP FF sensor
i’m sure no lens actualy resolve 275MP at f2.8 but MP course is not over and not useless
more info on luminous landscape
https://luminous-landscape.com/not-so-fast-in-dismissing-moores-law/