On February Sony will finally launch the lenses announced back at Photokina (see roadmap on top). And today we also got some tidbits about the next bunch of lenses coming in mid-end 2015. The source said there will be two Zeiss branded FE autofocus lenses:
1) 25mm f/2.0:
Such a lens already exists for Canon and Nikon DSLR. It’s the [shoplink 32563 ebay]Distagon 25mm f/2.0 (here on eBay)[/shoplink]. Anyway, if the rumor is true it’s a bit surprising to see two 28mm and 25mm f/2.0 FE lens in 2015.
2) 85mm f/1.8:
This should be the long time rumored tele prime lens.
The source stressed to say that what he saw were prototype lenses:
“We used them on a Sony A7R. Appeared to be similar build quality and style to the “Touit-Loxia” series. They were both AF and quite snappy with focus and of course very sharp.“
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Both lenses seem pointless.
The 25mm is too similar to the 28mm (due shortly), and the 85mm is too similar to the 90mm macro (also due shortly).
Faster lenses like the upcoming 35mm 1.4 make a little more sense. How about a 24mm 1.4, and an 85mm 1.4? These would clearly differentiate themselves from the slower versions.
J
Considering all the complaints that the 28mm ‘should’ have been 24mm… Maybe not so odd.
A 85 1.4 lens mcuht more expensive that fits/pairs to the zeiss 35 1.4 might come later….and a 24 also….i personally hope for an highlight an ultrawide prime the 15 2.8 zeiss lens for fe mount with AF….dreams are often really expensive and heavy of course 😉
except the 90 macro is slower, a different brand, and behaves completely different because its a macro..and the 25 zeiss will be around $1000 and the 28 will be less expensive so people who cant always buy 1000-1500 lenses can use the system too. so, with that said, they are nothing alike and for different types of people. any and all lenses should be welcome as long as they are worth using.
A little odd since there is already a28 f2 in the pipeline. When are they going to cover the long end?
28 and 25mm is very very different. Try shooting such lenses
Very very different? Pfft, no they ain’t.
If I took a few shots at both focal lengths on a zoom lens, most people wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.
3mm at that focal length is negligible.
J
i agree….20 and 28 would be better and much more noticeable….i guess 21 2.0 loxia is coming 21 is typical for zeiss…..so 21, 25 and 28 would be avaiable on FE Mount….the difference between 21 and 25 is definetely noticeable…
Would like an APSC 85mm lens…
Yeah it will be HEAPS smaller 😉
and cheaper 😉
What’s wrong with the FE 1.8/55 ?
Why would ZA lenses be styled like Zeiss Loxia or Touits? False rumor, either these are Zeiss lenses or they are making it up.
Zeiss branded is the 1.8/55 and 2.8/35. These are Sony designed and made lenses. They use the Zeiss brand and possibly some coating or design ideas from Zeiss, may be Zeiss patents….
Loxia and Touit are Zeiss designed and built lenses.
So these new lenses will be Sony lenses of top quality. Sony use three branding – Zeiss for top quality glass, G for very very good glass, no specific branding for most lenses.
Wrong.
What do you believe is wrong? Most of what I wrote is from Sony official brochures….
The lens Andrea refers to is ZM lens – Zeiss designed and built lens for Leica M i.e. very similar optical requirements to Sony E
Don’t believe marketing brochure. Didn’t they say SEL16F28 has good image quality? 😀
Patent for 55/1.8 is certainly owned by Sony, 24/1.8 too, I am not sure about 35/2.8 but it’s almost certainly too.
so a 24 1.8 might come later on as well instead of a 1.4 that would fit to the zeiss 35 1.4…..
He is talking about the ZE.
1.8/24 may come as Zeiss Loxia lens. Zeiss is different from Sony company with its own product lines, revenues, advertisement etc.
Sony use the Zeiss name for some Sony products
No, I believe all loxias will be 2.0 aperture size/compactness wise and for coherence…;) but I am just guessing…so after a 25 2.0 af fe mount zeiss lens i believe there will be more a 21 2.0 mf loxia lens would make much more sense than 24 1.8 loxia mf and 25 2.0 af zeiss fe…..;)
There are a bunch of 21 zeiss lenses out htere….zeiss loves a little different fl 15.18,21,25 etc..
make more sense…..21 would otherwise duplicate with the 28 and its 21 converter but i guess the converter wont be selling like hotcakes due to decrease in IQ and size with the 28 combo….
It is good image quality! I own and use it still….
All Zeiss A and E mount lenses except Touit and Loxia are Sony designed and built without Zeiss involvement at all.
G isn’t for very good, it is for different ‘types’ of lenses, they are the same ‘level’.
But still doesn’t explain why Sony Zeiss lenses would suddenly start looking like Zeiss lenses, because they won’t. So nothing here ‘justifies’ this made up rumour.
G is the top end branding of Minolta. When Sony acquired Minolta they continued to use G for zooms and other great lenses that were not Zeiss like. Zeiss was used for the new top notch lenses that were generally better than the Minolta lenses e.g. ZA 1.4/85 and 1.8/135 then they did some minor compromises and as of late Zeiss brand is slapped on all expensive lenses regardless of their quality e.g. the 4/24-70 the 4/16-70 are just not up to scratch with the Zeiss logo though they are great lenses.
yeah i sold my 24-70 f4 for me its not worth the price and zeiss tag….i would go for the 28 and 55 or 35 and 55 combo anyday instead of the 24-70 f4…the 24-70 is the definetely the weakest f4 fe mount zoom lenses the 16-35 and 70-200 are much much better performing….
sadly its the 24-70 f4 as being often the standard zoom/most useful/all purpose lens…”the bread and butter lens”….
Agree. I bought the 28-70 which is an ok lens at an ok price especially when sold as kit lens.
I had the Zeiss 24-70mm FE and it was a very capable lens.
I still have it. People overreact. @24 the corners are weak, depending on the scene even smeared if you’re unlucky, but it really depends because of field curvature… from 28 to 60 it is good, it really shines at 35-50. Very versatile. And I am not a fan of zoom lenses. They are always a compromise and never shine at wide and long end.
I had the kit lens (28-70) before and it is no match.
No. You have it wrong again. G is NOT for good but not Zeiss lenses, G is for longer FL’s, Zeiss for shorter. Simple. The exception being the 35mm f1.4 G which was a rebadged Minolta. The ‘Zeiss’ 85mm that’s ‘better’ than the Minolta G is based on the Minolta and based on improvements already planned to the Minolta G, just post Sony acquisition is branded a Zeiss due to their partnership with Zeiss for branding.
Sony see G and Zeiss as equals:
“In the α lens lineup at Sony, G Lenses stand shoulder to shoulder with the outstanding Carl Zeiss optics.”
http://www.sony-mea.com/microsite/dslr/09/gLens/
Yep. Sony say themselves (and it’s pretty obvious) that G is for longer FL’s and Zeiss for wider and normal.
Yes!!! the 85mm 1.8 is for me! Hoping for the same IQ as the 55mm 1.8. Yes!!!
Actually rhe rumor about a FE 85mm start with an interview of the Sony’s designer of the 55. When the journalist asked him which lens he personally would like to design he said an 85mm.
So if it’s going to happen there is a big chance that he is behind it (He is also the designer of the FE 70-200 G).
These are just the same old common focal lengths that the market is already flooded with…and that are currently all that E mount offers.
The upcomming 90mm macro sounds interesting and will begin to fill the macro gap…but still nothing is even hinted at for long telephoto lenses.
I also say again…an laea4 like adapter should be made for Canikon lenses unless full high speed AF focus without it can be developed.
Why for Canikon lenses when they already exist for Alpha? Besides you still wouldn’t buy one.
Because Canikon makes a good lens selection…Sony does not…the rest of the photo world already own Canikon lenses and will not biy a camera they cannot use.
Sony have zero interest in making an LA-EA adapter for foreign lenses. They are not that stupid.
Repeating the same stupid sh*te idea over an over again doesn’t make it more likely to happen. It’s still a stupid idea.
I quess you think it stupid to increase market share and generate more camera , therefore more Sony lens, sales.
Does Canon or Nikon pay you to say that?
Yes, Canon and Nikon pay me to say an adapter that will help preserve the use and sale of their lenses as people migrate to Sony bodies should not be made.
The adapter you ask for will reduce Sony lens sales and would be an admission by Sony that its lenses are good enough.
I guarantee it will never happen – there is no precedent for it.
It’s dumb for a number of reasons which evade your logic. First of all, camera makers generate far more profit from sales of the ecosystems around the camera bodies (first party lenses, flashes &, accessories). A $600 Sony flash and $350 battery grip have extremely high profit margins unlike the cameras. The cameras are the entry to the system, so these are sold low priced. Look how much camera someone can get for the inexpensive pricing of the a6000 or a77II. Sony isn’t interested in selling a camera and nothing more. Though if they did you would see a dramatic rise in camera pricing.
It’s also dumb because they would need licensing for the AF technology from each camera manufacturer. First parties are generally not enthusiastic about doing that.
Finally, there is the actual engineering. You seem to think that dreams and pixie dust can produce products but it takes feasibility, physics and R&D Time & money. Time & money that would be better spent elsewhere – like producing the a9 cameras or a99 successor.
Most 3rd party lensmakers ..like sigma.. reverse engineer rather than license the tech…Canon themselves recently realeased an official stayement to that effect…Since they routinely allow everyone else to do this they cannot selectively prohibit Sony from doind so…furthermore the mount patents have expired.
So Sony can indeed do this.
Since most pro and serious amateur users currently own a collection of Canikon glass the ONLY way to convert these customers is to allow use of thier existing lenses.
Currently only some of the lenses used on Sony cameras are by sony…many are 3rd party…this will not change…initial converts will use thier existing glass but eventually but some native Sony glass.
Eventually..despite industry resistance. ..there will be some form of universal system that will work with all lenses..why..because it is in the consumers best inerest and they will buy it…
There are advantages to being first…Sony can lead the industry by being first or allow someone else to be first.
Lastly..if Sony does not want to do it themselves for some reason they can license thier laea4 technology to someone else to make yhe converters, By doing it themselves …first… Sony makes E mount the go to universal mirrorless system…if someone else is first these adaptors may be made to fit all mirrorless cameras and Sony will have lost an important opportunity.
And you can see how great Sigma is with their reverse engineering.
“Since most pro and serious amateur users currently own a collection of Canikon glass the ONLY way to convert these customers is to allow use of thier existing lenses.”
> So, the smaller part of the current market.
“eventually..despite industry resistance. ..there will be some form of universal system that will work with all lenses..”
> Yes! And we will have the same OS everywhere and the same print cartridges and the same batteries and utopia!
“Sony makes E mount the go to universal mirrorless system”
> And back to losing money on modern lenses.
“Sony will have lost an important opportunity.”
> To make cheaper bodies than its competition. Great opportunity!
Noone yet is offering Nikon-Sony E full featured adaptor, and you’re asking Sony to make it!
Yes
That’s not going to happen for so many reasons…
That is exactly what I’d like to see as well. I want to sell my Nikon DSLR but keep my Nikon lenses (including 300mm and macro) to use on my a6000. And later on the a7000.
Maybe this makes sense for Sony, maybe it doesn’t, but I’m the customer so my job is to tell them what I want, and would buy.
Then we need to keep saying it until they notice and listen..
A solitary comment will get lost in the crowd.
I have a Windows phone. Microsoft is now facing a market reality and will be adding the capability to run Android apps. They believe this will increase sales, not reduce them. I see a similarity in these situations,
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Perfect! The coming 28 may be the most versatile but not wide enough by itself. The 25 makes a very good addition to create a high quality prime lineup with 25, 35, 55, 85mm lenses. Notice how all the 5’s lineup nicely?
i agree but a 20 2.0 would be even better than 25 like nikons 1.8 prime lens line….20,28,35,50,85 1.8…..
Personally/for me 25 and 35 are still too close and the wider the better….also from a better “thereotically lens split up point of view….20,35, 55, 85 this would be amazing….the 28 with the 21 mm converter is sadly too big…
But nevertheless more choices are always great…even its not perfect for me at least…
I think 25 and 35 is very different. And a 20 is very different from a 25. For examples, in my case I often use 24mm and 35mm, but only in a few occasions 20mm.
The 28 is shorter in length than the 55. With the wide angle converter it becomes longer, but not bigger than the 16-35. It still is f2, so 2 stops faster than the zooms at quite a wide angle. The 16mm fisheye converter is a lot bigger. I find it a smart idea, but am not sure if I’ll go for it since I have the minolta 20mm.
The 25mm f2 is excellent idea! I would buy it in heartbeat if it is not very very big. Kudos to sony!
85/1.8 is excellent too. Much more useful than 85/1.4 especially if they get optical quality similar to the 55/1.8 and 135/1.8. If I want 85/1.4 there is Sigma and Zeiss A mount with EA4 that work well and are big and heavy.
The 85mm Zeiss isn’t as big and heavy as you may think.
agree as you can see…http://www.sony.de/electronics/kamera-objektive/sal85f14z#product_details_default shorter/smaller than canikon equivalents….
And Smaller / lighter than the APS-C Samsung. Doesn’t weigh much more than my 16-35mm FE.
The Canon and older nikon 85/1.8 are much smaller. The new Nikon G lens is about same size but lighter. I have been using the Zeiss, Minolta an Sigma 85mm lenses.
you cannot compare apples to oranges thats unfair to compare a sony 85 1.4 with nikons 85 1.8…..nikon 85 1.4 vs sonys 85 1.4 would be fair….nearly the same weigth about 650 gramms but the sony is smaller and shorter a little at least…..
the ZA 85/1.4 is big? You obviously never held it in your hand….
Just wanna include statements /discussion to lens roadmap already published in the mockup lens article…
Personally fpr me doesnt make so much sense 25 and 28 FL even both af very very close….25 will be much more expensive for sure its zeiss….and interesting that the 25 zeiss wont be witihn the loxia line MF only…so af one but guess just redesigned for FE Mount cheaper than from the scratch one/compeltley new as you already mentioned such a lens already exisiting for Canon/Nikon mounts from Zeiss…
Quoted discussion:
“Hierro
1. Loxia lenses and leica have no AF
2. Some lenses/FLs e.g. the normal FL 50-60 are much easier to develop/construct
less complex design is often necessary to achieve great IQ…zeiss 55
1.8 is calling…
3. Yeah the wide angle issues (haloing etc.) are
another big bummer for Sonys FE Mount which has to be solved….i guess
it has to do that the fe mount is not width enough and that esp. with
prime lens you will see the problems and they are difficult to
design….thats maybe one reason why Sony made a 16-35 zoom lens, only a
21 converter not lens and so far the 28 mm (incl 21 mm converter!) is
the widest wide angle prime for Sonys Fe Mount/on the lens
roadmap….and 28 is only a moderate wide angle prime….;)
To make optical excellent (with good corner sharpness wide open)
(ultra)wide angle prime lenses for FF is one of the most
difficult/toughest/competitive things to develop/construct as a lens
engineer/camera company….you can see this that only the 15 2.8 zeiss
lens is the one that comes to my mind….zoom lenses more…nikkor 14-24
2.8 etc.
So it will be interesting to see if sony comes out with
even wider native fe mount lenses than the 28 and the 21
converter….maybe they made an 21 converter than not a real, separate
lens because not it is only cheaper to produce, higher profit margins
but it is also easier/faster to develop construct and maybe additionally
wont lead to/ make the wide angle issues (haloing, some magenta or
purple color cast along the edges, some softness or detail-smearing in
the corners) of Sonys Fe Mount (so) visible which are unsolved so far…
One indication could be that the 21mm converter prevents you from these
issues because its increases the lens width, the glass area of light
transmission…so light can get more easier and wider into the camera/on
the sensor…for better corner sharpness and less pronounce (may
typical/specific) fe mount problems with wide angle lenses due to short
flange distance and its simply not width enough/small diameter…
And also one major concern the off-axis issues have to do cover glass thickness and composition.
For one of the following zeiss loxia lenses (I guess 20, 24 or 25) will be a wide angle prime at least…but MF only….
Will be interesting if real, native proper fe mount (ultra) wide angle prime
lenses with AF will follow from sony (some places on the Fe Mount
roadmap are unspecified/unknown for 2016) and esp. if any of those will
be wider than 21 mm…
For me this one is one of the most interesting questions with regard to Sonys A series Fe Mount beside Sonys A9 of course 😉 that has to be answered….”
Steven
“I wanna add I think the last six open/unknown lens spots for 2016 beside the large aperture prime (guess 85 1.4 or 1.8)
1. One cheaper consumer tele zoom 70-300
2. One cheaper (ultra) wide angle zoom 10/12-20/24
3. One Super tele prime or zoom lens 300 f4/or 80-400 or 200-400
4. One portraiture lens a 105 or a resign of 135 1.8 AF for FE Mount at least hopefully both…105 AND 135 lens!!
5. A wide angle prime lens with AF 24 or 20 1.8 or 2 –> SO WILL BE THE 25 2.0 ZEISS AF…
6. A special lens ….a longer macro lens or Tilt and shift lens or if the large aperture prime is an expensive 85 1.4 Zeiss as it is with the 35 1.4 Zeiss then a cheaper 85 2.0….hopefully not accoridng to the 35 case a 2.8…2.8 is not a large aperture..
And by the way Sony do not forget completely the flashes /your flash line….powerful RT-Flash for FE Mount like Canons EX-RT Speedlite 600 is missing too…;)
My 2cents…expectations and wishes 😉
But only time will tell…”
Ian:
“You could be right….the mentioned lenses often exisiting already in A Mount could be easily transformed/redesigned only for FE Mount 2.0 and 2.8 primes, 135 1.8….would save costs…and that this could be a strategy or done at least with some primes….35 1.4 Zeiss is calling….will more follow the same way???
Only Sony knows it and could answer this….”
I will believe the 2/25 will be like the 2.8/35 lens…perhaps a bit more expensive. It is quite different from 28mm. The usage scenarios differ substantially between 21, 24 and 28mm lenses. Try using them instead. All established brands feature distinct 20-21mm, 24mm, 28mm and 35mm.
Admin, can we please ban @animalsbybarry:disqus? He is not helping this forum and tries to undermine HOOLK`S meaningful contributions to reeducate Sony people
You spelt it wron the word should be spelt MEANINGLESS
Cool we finally get SSM updates to ZA85/1.4 and ZA135/1.8. That’s great news!
oh wait.
So you have the current ones?
Yes, both of them, and the ZA50/1.4, ZA24-70/2.8, G70-200/2.8. Tried two copies of ZA16-35/2.8 but both had problems of different type.
Would be nice if all the lineup matched in feel and usability.
I personally wouldn’t pay a heap of money just to get SSM on them. But I hope they do come if it is something you are waiting on. I’ll be happy with mine for a long time more to come (a better adapter would be very welcome though).
Please be more patient…..an expensive 85 1.4 and 24 1.4 zeiss might come later on placed beside the zeiss 35 1.4 fe lens….;)
Might? What Sony roadmap have you conjured up?
there are some remaining unknown spots….six at least……scroll down …..see discussions about the speculations what could be plausible/make sense from other users….
The compact size plus ibis would make it wise to desighn high guality compact mirrorless telephotos for E mount
For compact telephotos you rather need difractive optics than IBIS
High guality..if such a thing is possilbe ..reflex with oss and af would be good for E mount long telephoto.
Phase Fresnel would also be excellent..possibly for a super compact lightweight 800 or 600 f5.6 poo r f 4
I do not know if Sony can use that technology or if it is proprietary.
I have also talked about a long Yolo like off axis reflex with spherical primary, torroidal secondary, and cabon nanofiber inside coating to absorb all stray light and reduce need for complex baffles..this would also be great in say 8″ f10 2035mm withmmatched f6.3 1250mm focal reducer.
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Sony patented a reflex for E-Mount with AF, they also sold the only (developed by Minolta) AF reflex. IBIS would work with either. Also CDAF makes it possible to AF lenses that were difficult to AF with PDAF (like STF, see Fuji APD). So a reflex for E-Mount is definitely a possibility. DO type lenses are not restricted to one brand, so may very well be possible here also.
Edit: I’m not sure either have any advantage in speed to size (diameter) but they can certainly in length.
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Will we soon/then get an updated lens roadmap from Sony on/at CP+ show announced/launched in february with the next following FE lenses with 85 1.8 FE, 25 2.0 Zeiss etc…???
If you dont know it yet, do you personally expect this happening?
I have no info yet on that but my personal bet is that indeed they will show a new roadmap. It’s in their interest to do so…
Thanks!
And please share with us some Sony A9 rumors the weekend is coming…;)!
Can we also hope an APSC roadmap … ?
If these become reality, I will be pleased. 25, 28, 55 and 85 (a 35 is missing) in compact size.
35 are already three avaiable….there wont be another fourth one….loxia 35 2.0 biogon mf only, 35 fe 2.8 af compact, 35 zeiss 1.4 expensive big one highest iq hopefully….
so the 35 2.8 is the most compact one if you dont need af but want larger aperture then you should go for the 35 2.0 loxia….
None are attractive to me. 🙁
May be Loxia 35/2 V2 when it comes. 😉
and what is wrong with the loxia 35/2 V1? 🙂
Several factors. It is only me, so lets leave it there. 🙂
now you made me even more curious 😀 come one, why???
If you have any contacts at Zeiss, please ask them to recheck the 6/4 planar for a 35/2. I am using a Yashinon 35/1.8 (remounted with a brand new diaphram, A classic Planar clone) from a Yashica CC (possibly the cheapest of the Electro 35). Works beautifully without any issues, except for flare. Size is the same as the Loxia 35 but is a lot lighter. Before trying it, I thought it would be impossible to have a fast classic planar 35mm for the A7r.
But i totally agree with you i would have found it better to release/get the sony zeiss 35 af fe mount as a compact 35 2.0 or 1.8 like canikons instead of 2.8….to make it a 2.0 lens should have been possible without increasing the size substantially, only slightly so you wont lose the compactness completley should be still possible nowadays if not even as a 1.8.
so one (big) design/ mistake from sony if not the biggest one beside short flange distance/ design fe mount from scratch on as fullframe mount…..errare humanu est….;) nobody is perfect even the sony engineers…!
The A7S with a Zeiss 25mm f2.0 and the already announced Zeiss 35mm f1.4 would be the perfect lightweight travel/reportage kit; I really hope your source has this right! The FE future seems to be very bright
Neither the current Zeiss 25/2 nor 35/1.4 are lightweight 😉
Contrary to much more common 85 mm, I’d really like to see something like 75 mm f1.8 or f2.0. It would give results not that different from 85 mm f1.8 having an advantage of being much smaller (being better suited for mirrorles) and having more friendly FOV on 1,5x crop cameras… 75 mm is quite common in rangefinder cameras, which are somewhat similar to mirrorles in digital world. After that they could realease more expensive 85/1.4 for more demanding, low-light, mainly FF users…
But 85mm on crop sensor gets quite close to 135mm equivalent, which is another big favourite to many people.
so you want a the m43 75 1.8 the olympus one ?? equivalent on the sonys fe mount would be a 150 3.6 in terms of DoF at least…..you cannot built such a prime lens so small for fullfram wont be compact at least if you want excellent/very good performance….
This would be a wonder….
I don’t ant any equivalent. Just plain FE 75 mm. Just like Leica and Pentax do this:
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.uk/en/group/14/product/27970/body/overview/Photo-Lenses.html
http://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/M-Lenses/APO-Summicron-M-75mm-f-2-ASPH
oh i misunderstood you sorry but is the 75 so different from the 85 FoV??? to justify a separate lens… i have doubts….and by the way the pentax 75 is for k mount so apsc at least…would be 112,5 fov fullframe…leica of course not its for full frame
I’d rather see smaller 75/1.8 and higher-end 85/1.4 later on. More choice of FL in system is always welcome. BTW – this Pentax comes from the film era (it is still produced today), so it is FF lens, but with really nice dimensions (filter 49 mm) and weight (270 g) 🙂
75mm is too close to 55mm IMO. In the ‘small’ range they should do a 100mm f2, in the ‘big / fast’ range an 85mm f1.4. This way people who want smaller rangefinder style lenses can get the 28/55/100mm and people who want the bigger f1.4 lenses can get the 35/85 set.
‘2 set’ what the..for going out on a certain occasion? twinned because together they weigh too much for a third? or instead of having more focal lengths…
What about the medium tele end users? Hmm i have a 200mm..a 135mm could do with a 150mm or a 180mm but anyway…i have 100mm…no matter a 120mm or a 105mm or such..i have an 85mm with very shallow depth of field and heavy for its specialization unlike all others which may be heavy also but are indeed special whereas 85mm is a strange ‘walk around and don’t get to the correct distance for perspecitve and partial close-up lens with arbitrarily shallow depth of field that looks incongerous like uncanny valley’..ok otherwise 75mm sounds a good way to have compact and something between 55mm and 135mm that is more ‘walkaroundy’
Yeah and? Nothing wrong with a simple fast 35/85 pair. Though I would normally add a wide like a 20mm or 16-35mm, but I would add that to a 28/55/100 combo as well. 35/55/85 is too closely spaced there isn’t a lot of point in the 55mm for me. 35/85 is a useful pairing.
Really don’t need to carry every FL I have, could shoot most things with those two lenses.
see above as to why nothing generally useful in having it fast and thus heavy for such use either
Above where? I suppose you also think one needs a 38mm a 47mm and a 62mm?
what about a 42ishmm? between 35mm and 50mm
above 55mm hence ‘medium telephoto’ and with irony in the fact that 55mm is already quite far from normal perspective at around 42ishmm
Well, if it floats your boat. Personally I wouldn’t bother. Another lens to buy and carry and swap to for no appreciable gain (except the fabled ‘normal’ perspective, but that’s making the assumption you want said perspective). Personally I like slightly wider than ‘normal’ and slightly longer, as it gives a slightly unusual perspective but without being extreme. If it is 30mm and 75mn or 32mm and 80mm makes no substantial difference to me.
Best not argue for general purposes or other peoples best interests then 🙂
Maybe you should stop worrying about tiny differences in focal length and focus more on photography? There are plenty of people who will use a 35/85mm f1.4 two prime combo.
35mm 1.4? ok now you actually stated what you even meant
that’s heavy and some people like to use f/2 or f/1.8 and more focal lengths, like myself
and being a photographer, having more than two lens options at my disposal for the more than ‘hipsteristic’ differences between them: i foresee a lot of post deletion.
The difference between 75mm and 85mm is arbitrary and of little consequence.
Correct..or perhaps you can show some images with no difference between, from each of those focal lengths
It’s about a step, I assume you have feet? If you MUST have every FL and don’t like shallow DoF, then don’t shoot primes.
Love shallow depth of field and perspective to be realistic together..85mm 1.4 just isn’t
And a 75mm will be more of the same. Tell you what, how about we do a blind test of two different photos and you can tell me which was taken with a 75mm and which was taken with an 85mm?
ok, I don’t know this focal length but im sure it will be interesting, and i may have been seeing some with pentax 75mm..I have seen images taken with pentax lenses at around that focal length that i like a lot
Cool, I will tee one up in the morning.
Can you please post a few more times. I’m trying to grasp all of the wisdom. If only you posted more often.
post some of your own images as your troll gang demand:
Yourself or ***ko*f
Fancy
***
all under 85mm in zoom range from 28mm to 75mm
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4530349612_09395ae644.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4530328320_ef8e655064.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4529707941_fd3c57e1fb.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/232/4085837015_e12b8992de_b_d.jpg
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/minolta-af-2875-f28-d_topic11308_page2.html
I have read and seen examples where some suggest that longer lens isnt required for facial features of different types… hence why not 75mm i would also eer on wider side as i prefer dimensionality and context.
Sorry what are you trying to prove? 75mm isn’t some.magic FL, the difference to 85mm is minimal.
If you are not differentiating focal lengths why are you trolling the options?
Special 85mm and other lens combo hipsterism…
I do just fine, but minimal differences are just that.
Just don’t try shooting the monkeys in the zoo by climbing over the fence to get them to fill the frame 🙂 you might never want to leave!
If you think 10mm is going to make a difference… well that’s just sad.
If you think getting my posts with real photographic opinions deleted furthers photography i don’t know what you must be thinking.
Doing what now? You are delusional.
You see that is where this is always going…and yet you are probably still in Totnes Devon in troll group that believe they can change the world by doing nothing about real problems, apart from endangering a strong person in a vulnerable situation and anyone associated with him.
Excelsior! Excelsior!
I don’t think the monkeys would attack you, in fact you and the monkeys could relate on a level playing field and become quick friends. XD
Apparently it would be a smaller design lens if you even read the original postings: thus befitting use with the more than two lens option that all but the one lens compact/interchangable buyers and hipsters would use
*sigh*
hipster ‘yawn’
http://g3.img-dpreview.com/9CD7FF17846C43B4951D38575838A4A6.jpg
What IS This?
simple…its the background far in the distance making it OOF out of focus
this is ok too right? but its evidently shot on APSC sensor camera which makes it more equivalent to 112mm which is a difference of 37mm not JUST 10mm, whats more it is thus only possible to shoot from 2.7 equiv
thus only real photographers are going to make anything of any of these ‘differences…or masters regards the optimum you want out by trying to kick probably the only person with any idea of what they are or how they could be established: for his benefit…or not really helping the cause and instead saying disparaging things and wasting time
What has any of this got to do with the difference between 75mm and 85mm primes? I said I would do a blind test for you to prove your point, until then just leave it.
75mm is even more useful for general use in for instance constrained spaces one would find in casual shooting and as participator of events rather than an ACTUAL photographer
i can do blind test as you know..the point is with all the bad shooting out there there is nothing near optimum with which to test until i get my shots:
unless you have the eye as i do, in which case i will..’know’ from finding them and assuring they are correct for test..heard of the ‘safety’ in a test?
Its why your hipstonihilism is in fact evil
and despite every attempt in both reasonable and extreme you have only proven me greater by far
STFU. Psycho. End of discussion.
Use a fixed lens compact with widest angle and crop to result or the longest range zoom or your combo and dont mind further ‘system’ options or canikon or just go away
Irrelevant. Well done.
friend
noun
1.
a person attached to another by feelings of affection or personal regard.
2.
a person who gives assistance; patron; supporter:
friends of the Boston Symphony.
3.
a person who is on good terms with another; a person who is not hostile:
Who goes there? Friend or foe?
4.
a member of the same nation, party, etc.
5.
(initial capital letter) a member of the Religious Society of Friends; a Quaker.
6.
a person associated with another as a contact on a social-networking website:
We’ve never met, but we’re Facebook friends.
verb (used with object)
7.
Rare. to befriend.
8.
to add (a person) to one’s list of contacts on a social-networking website:
I just friended a couple of guys in my class.
Idioms
9.
make friends with, to enter into friendly relations with; become a friend to.
You only actually have one eye and its off like your thought process…
That’s a man baby!
Somethings not right with the proportions in the first pic. Shoulders are too squared off. Second pic to dark, more fill flash need and not a flattering positioning of the hair. Third pic- HOT. Last pic, WTF?
B*llS**t
Bull on the third one being hot or that the other three suck?
Bull on the fact that once i have given you the means to shoot perfectly well that you will actually recompense the world with what you have taken for that all the same
The world devours that which most pleases the infernal serpent of infinity, my friend.
Not his pictures anyway…..
Yes! My favourite focal length is 85-90mm.
At last I will be able to fully enjoy FE cameras, until now I had most fun with my NEX 5N and Sigma 60mm/2.8. If we hear something more concrete about an A5 camera would be even better.
I call bs on the 25. As much as I’d like to see it materialize, it doesn’t make much sense for them to announce the 28 and immediately a 25 with the same aperture. If they do come out with a 25 in the next 48 month, I’m betting on a f2.8 instead of a f2. I hope I’m wrong though. We’ll see.
Then why did they release a 50/2 alongside the Sony 55/1.8 and a 35/2 alongside the Sony 35/2.8?
Who? Nobody has done that.
You are joking right?
Zeiss is selling an E-mount Loxia 50/2 and 35/2 as we speak. The only currently available Sony FE primes are a 55/1.8 and 35/2.8.
55 and 35 are not really Zeiss, it is Sony who gets most money from them, Zeiss gets just a little kick back for the name. For Loxias, Germans get everything.
Don’t forget Cosina who may be making them (Loxias and Otii). 🙂
🙂
You said ‘they’… That’s like saying “why did Sigma make a 35mm if Canon and Nikon already do?”…
The title of this post is ZEISS. So they = Zeiss was implied. I now realize that admin is not clear whether these lenses are Zeiss or Zeiss-badged Sony.
This post is about the next bunch of Sony lenses.
Admin is unclear about this. The post is titled ZEISS, and the rumored 25mm is then compared to an existing Zeiss Distagon lens for Canon and Nikon.
It would be a 24, not 25.
why ? 25 is perfectly normal
i prefer sony release zeiss FE 24mm F/2. btw zeiss FE 85mm/1.8 would be nice to see along side with Zeiss FE 135mm/2.0
If the both were a MF lens, i will not buy non of them!
Sensible, you will surely have interesting moving subjects that you can get the camera positioned to shoot in idk..90% of your shots with such system..but get zooms and don’t go for correct subject distance for perspective..as zooms may be expensive and heavy but well you can still zip into all the best shots for motion stopping excellence at correct settings! (never as automatic as we would wish XD )
Well, if subject to distance is not metaphysically correct, then the depth of knowledge attainable through pixel-imaging at median ISO will certainly be disappointing. A zoom lens will never interiorize the light gathering capacity of medium format circle of confusion. And I think I’ve made my point.
why no 1.4 lenses?
They will sell f/1.8 lenses at the prices higher than f/1.4 lenses of competitors first, and then will sell new f/1.4 lenses. Other way around it would not work.
1.4’s are coming. I give it next year. Once FE completely leap frogs A mount and all the “compact” lenses are released we’ll start seeing the speed. 2.8’s as far as the eye can see and bodies big enough for man sized hands.
1.2…
This would make a world of sense, as Zeiss has already been aligning their Loxia releases to the Sony lenses.
Zeiss released a 50/2 and 35/2 alongside Sony’s 55/1.8 and 35/2.8. It would make a lot of sense that they would release a 25/2 after Sony releases their 28/2, and then a 85mm prime alongside Sony’s rumoured 85mm lens.
Because these are the most popular prime FL’s? It isn’t rocket science or a conspiracy.
But these are either Zeiss lenses or a made up rumour, but I suspect the latter.
The roadmap is pure deception, it shows the lenses available in 2014 which are still not available, even in 2015.
OH, reaallly??? It clearly states “This roadmap is approximate, subject to change, AND DOES NOT INDICATE ACTUAL RELEASE DATES.”
So even they admit it is a lie. 🙂
Not as much as people like you twist facts around so you can make negative comments.
Which makes it a fantasy rather than a roadmap 😉
It seems that it’s really more an announcement date roadmap.
It is a roadmap….that seems pretty self explanatory….
You are right but the it nevertheless remains deceptive. I had already seen this roadmap multiple times before I even noticed that message. And short term there are not going to be 20+ lenses available, that is clear to everybody…
Sony said fiscal year. Fiscal 2015 runs through March of 2016. Get over it.
Some people just can’t stand that Sony is actually delivering on their promise of a healthy FE lens lineup.
Their trolling gets more desperate by the day…
And even if there was 20+ lenses they would either be too big, too small, too fast, too slow or too expensive. Whaaaaa whaaaaaaaaa
dont forget too heavy or too light because of baby wrists!
FYI: Company roadmaps typically show fiscal years. In the official Sony presentations that have used this picture it has been mentioned. And Sony’s fiscal year 2014 ends in March. And all those lenses should be out by then. Perhaps next time the admin could add this little detail if this same roadmap is presented.
It is not typical at all outside of investor/financial circles.
I’m fine with the 28/2 and converter as complement to my MF lenses.
Is the Zeiss 25/2 supposed to be a Sony release, or a Zeiss Loxia? Or might the rumours have gotten mixed up?
I am happy to see that the 85mm is rumoured to be an f/1.8 and not an f/1.4. Then I suspect it will be closer in design to the 55/1.8 than the enormous 35/1.4.
I certainly hope so. I was excited about the 35/1.4 until I saw it. What a monster!
Be careful what you wish for & all that. Take OTUS glass as a sign of things to come if people want those 36MP corners sharp at f/1.4.
A wise observation, the 55 is near perfect, we can only hope the 85 is the same.
felt bad after teasing of SAR Admin sleeping of CP+ rumor. seeing admin rush for SR3 🙁 sorry admin, i am apologize!
FOR THE LOVE OF KRISHNA GIVE ME A 17MM LOXIA! Thank you.
Totnes Devon, they have done nothing for cause apart from well you get the idea
where will you go to shoot? Exeter?
Rockingham County, New Hampshire, United States.
non·sense
ˈnänˌsens,ˈnänsəns/
noun
1.
spoken or written words that have no meaning or make no sense.
Ability with language that far exceeds political peoples who deny their political ambitions, resorting to slander instead
It would be libel; slander is spoken and needs to be heard by a third party.
Which means? only a clown like you would have to pontificate on the matter?
What do you mean by ‘heard’, that sounds very much like how it is,unless you are referring to totally non existent readership by virtue of all these avatar posters of yours
Or you mean slander like between you and your new associates…
They can’t resort to slander here. It is an impossibility as this is all written text.
If someone insults or falsely accuses in writing it is libel, not slander.
and no metaphor allowed, especially with regard to legal speak and how it is to be taken and well no talk about actually using a real camera, like i said you have been warned now
I am basing almost all of my future on a virtual place and if you detriment that or my life regardless i will attack all dimensions where you reside.
This isn’t even English, rather a row of unrelated words. Please stop it before you have a seizure.
yes the clue there is now explicit so anyone interested can do the research..starting with how the supposed compliment to one thing was another and this was thereafter convoluted a bit like these trolls ideas
He’s sucked you in, here catch…….
Thanks for giving me a good laugh! Getting some hard work done and needed that.
place
1.
a. An area with definite or indefinite boundaries; a portion of space.
b. Room or space, especially adequate space: There is place for everyone at theback of the room.
2.
a. The particular portion of space occupied by or allocated to a person or thing.
b. A building or an area set aside for a specified purpose: a place of worship.
3.
a. A dwelling; a house: bought a place on the lake.
b. A business establishment or office.
c. A locality, such as a town or city: visited many places.
4. Abbr. Pl. A public square or street with houses in a town.
5.
a. A space in which one person, such as a passenger or spectator, can sit orstand.
b. A setting for one person at a table.
6. A position regarded as belonging to someone or something else; stead: She waschosen in his place.
7. A particular point that one has reached, as in a book: I have lost my place.
8. A particular spot, as on the body: the place that hurts.
9.
a. The proper or designated role or function: the place of the media in a free society.
b. The proper or customary position or order: These books are out of place.
c. A suitable setting or occasion: not the place to argue.
d. The appropriate right or duty: not her place to criticize.
10. Social station: He overstepped his place.
11. A particular situation or circumstance: Put yourself in my place.
12. High rank or status.
13. A job, post, or position: found a place in the company.
14. Relative position in a series; standing.
15. Games Second position for betting purposes, as in a horserace.
16. The specified stage in a list of points to be made, as in an argument: in the first place.
17. Mathematics A position in a numeral or series.
Another nonsensical post from SharpShooter, but what else is new?
With a 16mm fixed lens medium format camera and no political ambitions dressed as spirituality you could probably shoot almost any focal length above to web size..but why do that when nikon have 12-24? go to nikon my friend
and well
I’m considering it. I won’t stop shooting Sony though. I already have like 3 systems..wait, 4. What’s another one right? 12-24 is a pretty swell lens so I hear. And photography is a spiritual affair. At least I think so.
um yeah and if you dont want ‘perfect’ AF from nikon you could use the better tamron 15mm to 30mm 2.8 option on Sony cams, on a mount also and well
Steve Huff had an excellent but expensive 21mm lens that he didn’t keep, is he wrong in his choices and should we not abide by what any ‘enthusiast says or does themselves?
If you are making these matters personal, why not tell us exactly who you are. Name and address if you wish and anything else, otherwise i suggest you start to leave now..leave those with real names and addresses and lives and economic choices. And also those who while speculating upon photographic matters don’t believe themselves by fact of their curious political position somehow above the common law between all such speakers on matters of photography as to give no credible objective evidence with which to base their speculations, material or not.
Also you know why im reluctant to talk about specific matters of interest until due point (subtle reasons but basically to assure self interest in the most sensible and non detrimental way of course!,) and regards those matters in which i am assured my choices were the best choice and cannot of course consider them retro speculatively..yet you can? yet you can even judge them while making the whole process at once most difficult and with perfect irony to my obvious approach and..yours..
retrospeculatively my choice to remain quiet on certain matter of interest will be patently obvious too, and of no detriment to anyone, in fact i am wavering all the time on announcing those things…but i have existential (economic) matters to fix before i am confident in proceeding…
The problem for you is that i cut you down completely in argument, basically you are totally wrong and yet you do nothing good for what could be implicitly of mutual interests to even consider it a ‘fair’ fight
Stop complaining, your mouth stinks hundreds miles away, yankee dumbass!
He’s not a yankee, he’s a eurosl*t.
Eurotrash you say
I use Sony and advocate the use of Sony for many potential shooters,
I consider effective theory unlike almost all other reviewers of equip and rarely stray much from my own choices as i have handled them: manual focus and aperture: i am yet not allowed to be this way with great insight as to what could be on the horizon having as i do a deep respect for the equipment makers, or especially the Sony A7R that i own and the zeiss 55mm 1.8 already
How?
Im not a reviewer but a photographer
Holy $hit, a coherent but somewhat rambling run on sentence. You’re improving SharpShooter, keep up the good work pilgrim.
Look up implicit and add it to your evil manifesto’s arbitrary outline
And look above
Boy, you do write some drivel at times! However, I think that English is not your first language, even though you suggest that you have great command of it.
Do you, by any chance, write what you want to say and then use Google to translate? Given the very poor choice of vocabulary and odd grammar, it certainly appears to be the case.
I suspect what you are trying to say is that most people here are carried away with technical issues and very few have much experience of actually taking real photographs, rather than just carrying out tests. Is it that you feel that people need to get out and take pictures before voicing opinions or buying gear?
If this is an accurate assessment, then it may be true, to an extent, but it is up to the individual. Also, this is a site to discuss equipment, so perhaps it’s best to let people get on with it!
There is s*xchats*xchat for that and consider this a warning
I think your medication is wearing off.
I’ve seen and read some strange things on the internet over the years, but your postings have to rate amongst the very oddest!
factual
for instance you dont like the police..they did a nasty thing to you
But I have the audactiy to ever speak of difficult matters and to inhabit a factual entity
Actually i have no choice either
Which is factual, that your medication is wearing off, your posts are the oddest, or both of them?
Both!
Police will be no problem compared to the problem that i am to you should anything negative result from this manifesto of falsification and selective truth telling
You need to be sectioned under your country’s mental health rules, for your own safety rather than anyone else. Seriously.
Your bipolar disorder is swinging so quickly for manic to depressive states that drug therapy may prove ineffective. Shock therapy is the only available treatment at this point.
Or perhaps a full frontal lobotomy.
I am looking at you right now…
Have your doctor decrease your Abilify while increasing the Depakote, see how that works out for you. You have a chemical imbalance.
No, an imbalance of ethics and virtual power that with even a reasonably specialized person with conviction to help me (unlike yourselves in paradoxical compliment to actual requirements) and my apparently superior intelligence would resolve to some kind of end should anything ever happen with some kind of association and in the meantime the potential for those regards yourself can be considered also
Depakote treats seizures. Also treats the manic phase of bipolar disorder (manic-depressive illness) and helps prevent migraine headaches. This medicine is an anticonvulsant. Increasing the dosage will help with the voices.
A small heavy implement striking the head actually fractures the skull ..what is that supposed to even relate to?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/03/article-0-19CA5A0C00000578-391_634x450.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/02/article-2516760-19C3495200000578-537_634x379.jpg
is this what you mean?
Tell me what you see in this picture.
Inter racial couples beaten up by police while attending the hippodrome in london
Why, are you in an interacial couple Laura?
Or the consequence of such a coupling?
Is that allowed..i mean unlike my ‘posts’
Very good, what do you see here:
Doctor, I have had a sudden revelation: SharpShooter IS a drug! Once you’ve read a message of his, you quickly have to read another, then another…I’m hooked!
What is it Peter Kelly, so assured of the subjectivity of things such as identity that male can be female, black can be white, and well…because actually i think those are all fairly objective criteria myself
Omg this is fun
This Is Fail Wholesale
Art can be objective, it is not JUST subjective. It can be criticized but not JUST subjectively.
Big Brother watching you attack the most intelligent yet vulnerable person as he simply makes explicit reference for purpose
Excellent! How about this one:
What Is This John?
A TV series?
I suggest you are out of your depth
Thank you, SharpShooter, I have rarely laughed so loud for years.
Unfortunately, anyone around will, in the future, think I am losing my marbles when I break up laughing whenever anyone mentions the London Hippodrome…
It will be gingers next…
Gingers next what?
That make that a laughing matter
You’re doing great! Just one more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CPoVfYjckE
Reference to violating intrusion
Is this regards the new ‘guy’?
A dismembered phallus?
But he may not want it anyway i guess
a nihilist
Is that analog?
My prognosis is that you have unresolved issues from childhood, are you in therapy now?
Note that i am speculative but selective
So this is about race?
Or a past traffic violation or something?
you really arent making this any better are you
JUST help or accept that i will confront you in future
Just keep repeating this phrase anytime you feel agitated: “I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.”
Smart is good, i like smart people.
Therefore i hate nihilists like you are at risk of becoming
He means white people (gingers).
It was JUST one chapter in a postmodern book i read a long time ago, i didn’t labor on it…maybe someone knows better about that matter
Yep…….
Look it up, i haven’t found that matter from a few searches..it happened in the 1970’s i think
a mirrored ink stain or troll food, feed the troll by clicking the nice flag.
Hear-hear………
Now if you only had those pesky years of understanding i wrought before or rather now despite you
That thing is a troll, just out to get any kind of reaction, feed it at your own peril. The thing suggested it would leave and wanted all comments deleted, now it is sad and needs attention so it comes back with more nonsense. Praise it by clicking the nice vlag and ignore is the best medicine.
Go suck a hippie dck!
Your problem is that you cannot understand the subtleties of existential thought or even beyond thought. You’re a disgrace. Quick to flame sharpshooter but not to learn from a dying breed, a great photographer. Scorn the hand that feeds and inject with venom and peruse the truth with hatred
I am encouraging people, not having them put off by technicalities as i once was 🙂 Perhaps, and its hypothetical, i was only going to enjoy digital photography and once it was affordable, I would have learnt about art through photography in the main, this is possible for anyone new to arts and with digital photography making it so affordable. I don’t hold false hope for this as printmaking has suffered as a new art and so too does photography, that’s partly why i am extremely critical about what i see: not JUST because it must be made right but because its JUST not any good and there is little progress in general. At least its more affordable than in the past 🙂
Go suck a hippie dck!
Excelsior!
What Is It?
a paradox because your only claim to righteousness was itself a mechanism
Does that make it all bad faith?
Or JUST like ‘Shaft’?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEaRCAcfOEQ
As in REAL hero?
You are killing SAR! Is that what you aim?
you aim to use as many monikers without signing in as a real photographer?
@sonysonysony:disqus beat Sony fgts intellect, HOOLK beat them in all other ways…prepare for doom fgts!
^^^ Manic Phase ^^^
Failing phase
Old shaft was better
Old movies looked better in many ways i think.
I mean for instance, they lather on effects and reduction to make it look analog but actual old analog film looks beautiful and colourful.
Keep posting; I’m using text from you posts as high level password phrases, their randomness, haphazard structure, erratic nature makes them almost unbreakable.
Quit watching the roads and start doing something productive like photography
XD
Its what you don’t say…
^Master
But why all the failing? wrong question..you aren’t trying to fail…
You were correct..the comments from both of those people disappeared at the same time.
There is no current 25mm f/2.0 Zeiss. There are several 25mm f/2.8 and they are ALL manual focus.
However a Touit line for FE from Zeiss (and not Sony) with AF, why not if they figured there was already a market for APS-C, they sure would make money here too.
Sorry, actually there is the 25mm f/2.0 from Zeiss. But it is not AF.
Well, there’s that ZA 24/2 that’s quite similar to the current MF 25/2 Zeiss.
In quality they’re quite different.
Yup, I own that lens in Nikon mount and often adapt it to my a7R. It is a stunningly sharp lens better than any of the 24mm primes including the f/1.4’s from Canikon.
Canon out-shadowed their f/1.4 primes with their 24-70/f2.8 ll a better lens all-around north of f/2.8.
Wuuu it is getting nice . E mount system is growing . Sony must understand without lens this system is not complete . Many people holds from getting into sony system because there is not so much lens like Nikon ,Canon offers .
Actually, since I will get the macro if good, I probably won’t buy 85mm and opt for a 135/2 or so… sometimes I miss the range of my old APS-C and 85mm. Gave me a completely new perspective on things. Since I already own the 55/1.8 and 2470, I will either go for 35/1.4 or 35/2.8 and I’m done… until I’m undone… 🙂
You want a 135mm f/2??? That thing will be HUGE on FE cameras. Better get this hypothetical 85mm f1.8 and use it on APS-C models.
better 100 f2. They’re usually much more compact than 135s and 85 1.4s and minolta had an awesome and rare 100 f2 just ready!
Good news and probably inevitable that these coming sooner or later. I’m already looking forward to the 28mm but a small 25mm should be even more interesting, especially for video, bring it on!
Zeiss FE 21mmm f/2.0 please! That’s all I need.
Now i must point out how wrong you have got, because you see, an f/2 16mm or 18mm would be fantastic, now that we add that parameter or whatever..
In the meantime Sony seem to be producing the most useful lenses such as the 28mm f/2 which we should be glad of. I don’t want to face having to replace all my glass because Sony outdoes it with image quality and speed, compact size and AF at the most desirable focal lengths but that’s the way it seems to be going for me eventually.
Can anyone/troll even find an image from a non fisheye 16mm f/2 lens on 35mm camera?
Such a lens would surely basically emulate vision 😀
You could view it in a virtual reality headset or something 🙂
Incidently, virtual reality headsets overcome the actual display size limitation regards natural perspective viewing of really wide angle images i guess…
but unlike a rotating view it will be more like standing on a platform that can move up and down and side to side to reveal view parts of the image in natural perspective or closer to it…
http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Paramedic.jpg
this would be so cool at f/2 instead of f/6.3
At first I thought sharpshooter was a troll, but he knows his stuff. You should listen to him, you could learn a lot from him
Its intuitive knowledge but I also concentrate on certain matters of pique interest 😀
Right……………
The scroll book allows for a narrative progression….
I guess i read a bit too and consider all arts..unlike certain fakers
You could either learn a lot or be totally confused, mostly totally confused. Your mileage may vary.
He’s read a few books, he knows more than you based on your comment, but you won’t “try” learning from him if you have a scrap of sense. Look elsewhere, don’t waste you time, order the book he read “photography 101.”
Somehow the moderator was quicker. What was Sharpshooters point?
HOOLK found childhood pictures of Admin and @disqus_f3NNTjExpP:disqus
Both will be important “completers” in the FE line up, but I think I won’t go for both for the time being.
I own the 1635FE, and I will for sure go for the macro. As of not being videographer an uwa prime would be a too expensive “nice-to-have”. And the macro ist just 5mm longer, so again the 1 1/3 stop advantage would be the same too expensive “nice-to-have”.
Sony fgts when hear about lens rumors
Sony fgts when hear about lens rumors
http://media0.giphy.com/media/Ke21zZltvEbFm/giphy.gif
CANIKON vs Sony, lel
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So after all the announcements and posible rumors, we end up with 16mm and 21mm via converters for the 28mm, 25mm, two 35mm, 55mm, 85mm, 90mm Macro, 24-240mm and a set of 16-35mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm, all F4 (which keep them small). After that, we should be able to see a clear strategy from Sony. What they want for the A-mount and what they want for E-mount.
Hopefully, they will start developing both APS-C formats of A and E mount, further develop the SLT concept and have a more agressive strategy in the professional segment to take charge on the market dominated by Canon and Nikon (1DX/D4S).
Sony vs A-Mount, lel
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BLAM! You re dead, lel
25mm…28mm…35mm – but no true super wide prime in the 14 to 17mm range. There need not be a prime for every 3mm before or after 35.
Fisheye? (trolling)
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simple: pay, have paypal account…every little helps, i have a burgeoning webmpire to fund the likes of which hasn’t been seen before..literally, and seriously it would help an awful lot XD I’m going the more modular ‘classic product’ route XD like um…Russian dolls or lego!
see you even doubted the construction of that metaphor..give up now…
Wow! another autofocus Zeiss prime from Sony <3 This will be such a great news if the rumor is true! 😀
Admin, is the Carl Zeiss 25mm f/2.0 coming out this year and how long does it take for a prototype lens to be in production model? Thank you!
I also have the Carl Zeiss 135mm f/1.8 and I would like to know when is the refresh coming out. I think it needs an SSM and an extra focus hold button for portrait camera position.
I hope in a 100/105 f 1.8 or f2… 85 is too near at 55 and sometime too short. 25-55 and 105 zeiss could be an awesome combo
I agree completely, ~100mm f2 would be excellent. Give us a smallish 100mm f2 and a big 85mm f1.4.
I agree, so you could have a 35-85 1.4 heavy couple or a 28-55-100 triplet. 85 1.8 is just nonsense IMHO
Yes exactly! With a small prime kit you want reasonable spacing between lenses. Couldn’t agree more, 85mm f1.8 is way too close to 55mm.
100mm f2 would be perfect, as long as it performs close to the 55mm. Hopefully the 25/28mm options are just as good if not close too. That’d be a perfect kit for me: 28/55/100…hopefully by the end of this year *fingers crossed*
I think this Zeiss 25mm could be great. I wonder if the 28mm with adapters will be slightly more for the general consumer and the Zeiss 25mm for the working shooter. This also gives people options. Which is a good thing.
If it is as good as the other Zeiss Fe primes it will be a must in my kit!!
This is actually a new series I heard. Called Bulloxia. Coming 2015-2018. Hurry up and wait.
Don’t forget the – APO Trollar
Maybe there will be a new cool name for this designs too. Vaporgon, Fabletar, Tossar, Faketogon, Fibotar, Mythotar, Lienar, or Beyondogon, Futiletar..
An 85/1.4 pretty much doubles as a 135/2 on APC-S. Bring it on.
Even f1.8 will be acceptable for me.
six month later sony will unveil an 85 f1.4 G lens lol what a joke how can these two not come up with a lens line up that doesn’t overlap baffles me.
I don’t know about Sony G, but Zeiss will come out with a manual Loxia 85mm for sure.
So people are complaining about too many lenses at the same time as others complaining about not enough lenses….yawn.
Yeah shame on Sigma for producing the 35mm Art and 50mm Art, 85mm f1.4… what a joke! Don’t they know that Canon and Nikon already make these lenses. Baffling.
exactly..first 35/2.8 then 35/1.4 ..then 28/2 then 25/2 .then 90/2.8 then 85/1.8..next one I bet 85/1.4 too
Zeiss (as in Loxia), makes it’s own decisions as to what to produce for commercial reasons, independent of Sony. It’s for this reason they picked 35 and 50mm for their first releases, as they are the most popular primes on FF. As for the Zeiss badged Sony lenses, focal lengths are picked by Sony, who then get Zeiss to design the optics.
Focal length selection is down to Sony on all lenses that aren’t Loxias. Zeiss has nothing to do with it.
How about a Zeiss 135mm f/2.8 FE light teleprime? Please don’t keep making lenses around the same range if Sony and Zeiss are still partners.
I wonder why it takes Sony so much effort to design small lenses for their e-mount system. I recently rediscovered my dad’s old mid-70ies original Zeiss lenses with M43-mount (50/2.8 Tessar & 135/3.5 Sonnar). I bought a cheap adapter (~5 €) for my A77 and did some extended test shots. They turned out with very good image quality. And they’re very small too (looks ridiculous on my A77) – and are FF. With modern advancements, it should get even smaller and better, now, like 40 years later.
But I’d like to see more excellent and affordable APS-C lenses. The 24/1.8 ZA is a really great lens on my A6000. The 35/1.8 is a bargain too. Presumably the 50/1.8 too, which I don’t own. The 16-70/4 ZA was crap like hell, although very expensive. People say, 55-210 isn’t good either. Although I consider the 55-200 for A mount a decent tele-lens for it’s money. The pancakes, beside their size, are also not really good … If Sony can’t deliver a good tele-zoom, they should provide some very good classic primes, I’d say.
kudos for the 28mm f2 … I’d like a tiny 40mm f2 as well 😀
Well, old MF lenses can certainly be smaller. However, current consumers like their lenses to have electronics to communicate with the camera…in fact they are necessary with contemporary cameras. AF systems are also preferred. Super sonic motors to let it focus fast quietly and with minimal vibration is nice too. Optical stabilization systems (for non-amount lenses) are quite popular (and also add more size & weight. Consumers (particular SAR visitors) want high sharpness levels from corner to corner without CA.
I have a 50mm 1.4 Super takumar that I sometimes use on my a99. It has a unique look and can be sharp stopped down in the center…but it also has a lot of CA and can be very soft but it is tiny compared to say the Zeiss Otus 55mm 1.4 or Sigma Art 50mm 1.4. To drastically improve image quality, the optical formula gets more complex and larger.
The old Zeiss lenses I’m talking about do have AF. I just can’t use it due to my adapter (there’re AF adapters which are more expensive but I just wanted to check out their IQ first). And they’re pretty sharp across the frame even wide open. I’m not saying they’re Otus or Sigma Art, but at least regular G- or Sony-Zeiss-quality like. SSM and OSS are another thing. But production technology should have improved over time, right? I mean, they have the designs. Just use it!
I’m assuming you are talking about the Contax G lenses? I agree, we need more like them and I think it is very possible for Sony/Zeiss to be able to manufacture those kinds of optics.
@admin: Your headline is wrong. Nobody is talking in the slide about a “FE 25/2” lens.
It is a nonsens typo headline. It should read “FE 28/2” 😉
I am interested to see what happens next. Which 50MP-monster will be better – from Canon or Sony (or Nikon).
However, you buy not only a body or video-capabilities (4K!) but the glass. An excellent shift lens would be the best but I believe this is quite unrealistic because Sony not even offers a Fisheye or a Fisheye-zoom but only a Fisheye-converter.
I suppose they have to focus on mainstream lenses why you may buy either the new Canon 3D/5Dx or the new A7/A9 plus a Metabones-adapter for the usage or the brilliant Canon TS-E17mm…
hey people can you advise me? Are they in works of a newer Macro lens for an aps-c e-mount? Or will the Zeiss Toiut 2.8 going to be the leader for a while?
I need this 85!! :O
I need this 85mm for ;portrait studio