An anonymous source told me Sony will announce a 90mm macro FE lens at Photokina. Asking now my sources if they can confirm this or not. Thanks!
P.S.: According to Sony’s roadmap that kind of lens is really coming. Hope the fast (85mm 1.4?) prime is going to be announced too!
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A 90mm macro lens would be a very good move. One of the reasons why I didn’t buy an A7r was the lack of a native macro lens.
It’s also 1of the main reasons why I bought an a77ii instead of an a7…
Die A mount Die…
Really? What would YOU have to gain by the death of A-mount? Moron.
Easy dog, It’s not like I am telling you to die….
I am easy, “Dog”. And you can’t “tell” me to do anything, LOL. Bigger moron than I thought.
Go cry to your mama you c.nt, and again DIE A MOUNT DIEEEE 🙂
Your next…If A mount dies E mount will not be far behind…those thst cheer when they come for others will not cheer when they come for them
Since macrowork is mostly manual focus I don’t bother for AF that much… But every native option is nice… I would love to hear about some APS-C choices too…
I agree, since AF most PPL forgot how to use their lenses….
And they forgot they have to adjust the focus even after AF in most situations (well exception for sports)
I hope its F2.8
If it’s 90mm, it’ll be a portrait macro so hopefully at least 2.8…
When can we expect Zeiss AF 85/1.8 ZA and 35/1.8 ZA? I would like to move from Fuji to FF Sony with Zeiss AF lenses but 55/1.8 Zeiss is the only I can use. 35/2.8 ZA is too slow for my indors shots. Ayy thoughts?
Really too slow at iso 105 000 or at 406 000?
really too slow for the subject isolation and look that a 35/1.4ish lens can get vs a 2.8 lens – fast apertures aren’t just for fast shutter speeds and low light 😛
You’re an idiot.
what a brilliant argument … it’s a wonder you can breath and type with all that brain power under your hood.
Tripod?
Yes, shoot yourself.
A lot of hate going on here. I’m with you. I’d love if they followed Fuji and released a bunch of 1.4 primes. To make money in photography you have to define your style, and if that requires a 1.4 lens, then so be it. Don’t let haters hate on you too much.
In terms of DOF, Fuji’s f/1.4 lenses offer no advantage over an f/2.1 full frame lens. Their 56mm f/1.2 is no better than the potential 85mm f/1.8 I hope Sony has planned. If your style requires a f/1.4 lens, it also needs to be attached to a full frame camera.
It’s unlikely we’ll ever see f/1.4 primes. If we do they are several years away. I think this is evident from what Sony have said, and the line-up so far.
I’m also curious what those last two lenses are that we are supposed to see by the end of the year… They have most of the major things covered (sort of), so maybe now a pancake and a wide prime?
one of them is the 28-135 G cine lens. Only one remain unknow (meaning not rumored) for this year.
That G macro is on the roadmap for months now, why so surprised?
Unless the G macro is supper good with reasonable price, im happily stay with sigma 105f28
Af in the entire frame vs a bit in the centre, if you use it for more than just macro should be more than enough of a reason to get it.
Killer move would be to announce 100 f2 macro. That lens will double as perfect portraiture lens.
No, it would only combine the disadvantages of both.
right… as the zeiss makro-planar 100/2 clearly shows… what a terrible lens that is 😛
Yes, it is terrible. It only goes to 1:2, is heavier and larger than the Minolta/Sony 100/2.8, uses larger filters, and is more expensive, and f/2 is almost irrelevant for macro, because you will likely stop down anyway. As a portrait lens it’s not fast enough, and AF, if it had one, would be slow because of the long focus throw, and 1:2 magnification is almost irrelevant as a portrait lens. As I said, such a thing only combines the disadvantages. Instead of sucking as a macro lens or sucking as a portrait lens, it now sucks at both.
sounds like someone is being an armchair ref without ever having used the lens – it’s simply amazing… but by all means, cling to your spec sheet.
Would it go beyond 1:2 if I had used it? Would it be lighter, smaller and cheaper? Surprise, surprise, nothing would change!
How is f2 not fast enough for portraiture?
100 mm F2, not fast enough for portrait lens? WTF are you talking about.
ahahaha… 100mm f/2 not fast enough for portraits… you’re a funny guy.
DOF for an 85 1.4 or a 100 2 is practically the same. What are we talking about? 1 or 2 mm?
100mm is a good macro lenth…there is very little differrence between 90 and 100 so the 90mm macro will actually be an excellent portrait lens.
Great move for Sony…90mm macro is an extremely important macro focal length as it provides sufficient working distance from living subjects.
Although there are some people who seem to think AF is not needed for macro I can say that AF if properly used is extremely usefull in macro.
A good long lens of moderate length such as Sigma or Tamron 150-600 for e mount would go a long way towards filling the gaps in the system.
Alternatively if thes lenses maintain fully funtional OSS they would be fullycompatable via LAEA4 adapter.
Unfortunately Tamron has already decided to disable it for Sony mount…bad Tamron…
If Sigma is Smart the will not dissable OSS and kick Tamrons butt.
Interestingly however…I think Tamron would sell better in E mount because it is smaller and lighter than Sigma.
Personally I will not switch to E mount if they eliminate A mount because I wouuld then expect them to eliminate E mount as soon as they think it is to thier advantage.
Center the focal poin,…half depress the shutter…and reframe….its quick,and usaully accurat.
Of course stabilization is also important for macro
AF is needed for nothing…
Before AF we already had many greats shots done.
Ppl just forgot about that.
AF is just great for sports, not for anything else.
I don’t criticize your post 😉
And I agree with you, 90 macro is a must have in lens line up.
Well… After re reading… Still think AF is useless if you know how to use your mats.
But many people doesn’t give the effort to do so.
Cool if you do AF shot and be happy with that, but your skills are useless with AF.
I am not at all interested in proving my skill with the camera…I did that 40 years ago.
My efforts are better spent finding and composing my subject.
Macro is easily focused by moving the camera in or out..so you are correct that it is not essential…mayby the auto focus should have an on/off switch
I have to agree with x, auto-focus is slightly useful for getting the focus close but focus magnification in manual mode is best for getting a critical focus exactly where you want it. Auto-focus is like throwing dice when shooting macro, you sometimes get an interesting image, but almost never what you wanted.
None of what we use is NEEDED…a stick of charcoal and cave wall will still work just as good as it did 20,000 yeras ago.
But I find modern technology USEFULL.
“Remote camera operation”
There are many aspects of industrial/engineering photography where a remotely operated A/F camera will get a job done far more efficiently, sometimes its the only way to get a job done with any proficiency at all.
That’s just one example, there are many more…………..
90/100/105 are macros intended for flowers or non-moving critters. For critters 180/200 are the best focals and I’m sure that in the future Sony will offer a 180/200 f3.5 or even better an f4 to keep size down.
I always carry a 180 macro and a 90mm equivelent on acrop sensor camera.
I80 is more usefully for bird macros….but 90 is more useful for insects,herps,dense brush and zoos.
I would feel poorly equipped without both plus a long lens.
So while I do agree with the need for a longer macro I cannot imagine Sony not offerring a 90mm first.
90mm will also sell better than 180 because anyone that does any kind of macro needs one.
Next should be long macro and long lens like E mount version of the 150-600 by Tamron and Sigma.
It’s certain that a 90/100/105 is the top macro priority right now. A good weather sealed G lens at 900$ would be great 🙂
I would only buy a E mount camera if Sony made the system fully compatable with A mount.
If they did that I would definitely want a good E mount camera with this lens.
Again however I need to know that Sony will not try to force me into E mount by rendering my A mount stuff useless….make them FULLY compatable an I will be a potential customer.
I don’t have any A mount lenses for my A7, so can you tell me how they are not compatible with E mount when you use the LA-EA3/LA-EA4 adapters? I’d love to put the A mount 135mm 1.8 on my camera…
No IBIS..image stabilization.
A mount lenses do not have optical stabilization because the stabilization is in the camera
Don’t hold your breath for the 180-/200mm as sadly they’ve never done that with a-mount.
They produced a revised Sony version of the Minolta 100mm and 50mm f2.8, but they never revised the excellent Minolta 200mm f4 macro, which now sells for a fortune on ebay.
Assuming it’s a regular or G macro with oss and it’s 90mm or longer, consider me very interested!
A roadmap like this for A-Mount would be a first step for Sony getting out of the predicament they’ve gotten themselves into.
True, still waiting for new A-Mount rumors (lenses AND pro/consumer bodies)
About A-mount lens I wrote last week 🙂
“…..included on the list:
A-mount:
35 1.4(G/ZA)
70-300G II.
E-mount:……”
We just hope for a little more excitement than that 😉
I think the issue that’s truly becoming apparent these days is that the lack of an A-mount roadmap is not just an oversight, but a hint.
I bet that Sony doesn’t see the lack of A-mount information as a predicament at all; they see it as a necessary evil when phasing one system out and another one in.
Yeah, I never thought I’d join on the “A-mount is going away” bandwagon either, but it’s become quite clear to me that Sony does not believe in investing any further in A-mount glass, just in A-mount bodies to milk everything they can out of the system. Mark II versions of lenses do not add much to the system, and do not require much investment by Sony. They do not count.
Would a new 35mm f/1.4 ZA and a 24-105 f/4 go towards changing your mind back?
Yes, yes it would for the most part. But if they also added something like a 200/2 and 400/4.5 then I’d be totally convinced.
Only if it is shortly followed by the announcement of the 400/4.5 as well.
Would much rather the fast prime is a wide – 24/2 would be a nice compromise of speed vs size – if we are getting a Macro lens at 90mm or even 100.
There must be something wrong with my eyes. I keep squinting but I don’t see a 135mm on here.
Yeah, what a dream that would be to have a 135mm as good as the A-mount 1,8.
or at least a 105mm f2 would be nice if the 135 would be too big
I think above 90mm or so, there wouldn’t be much size advantage to mirrorless, so an FE 135/2 or 2.8 would be about the same size as the A-mount equivalent. (Leica M and R 90’s are identical optically.) I suspect there’s less incentive for Sony to push for one.
I really don’t care if there is much size difference. This is what I like about the FE mount – it can be small when you want but throw the grip on and you have a mini dSLR to support larger OSS lenses.
There are plenty of tiny rangefinder 90mm lenses – I use the Contax G 90/2.8 when I want to pack light – but it would be great to have an option to go with AF in a larger lens package.
What I meant was that I suspect it’s low priority for Sony to come up with an FE-specific 135 because there’re already two A-mount 135’s that can be adapted with AF, and optical design-wise an FE 135 wouldn’t be very different from those.
Just as I was about to buy the 70-300 4.5-5.6 G SSM lens, mention of a version ll was made last week but it isn’t mentioned on the chart. Is this lens coming and if so when?
To the experts out there, should I wait for the SSM ll version or buy the one available now. Was there a big difference between the 70-400 G SSM and the G SSM ll.
Thanks everyone.
That chart is for (F)E-mount, not A mount.
Awww ….Sorry… should have gone to Specsavers.
My question still stands, though, re which should I buy, if anyone would like to add their thoughts.
Big improvement was in focus speeds, optically about the same but does have newer coatings.
Thanks Fred, that’s useful to know. 🙂
100 mm F2.8
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Have you heard anything, any rumor about the aperture of the macro lens so far… 90 2, 2.4 or 2.8???
THX!
My guess is the lens will be f4, have a Zeiss sticker on it, retail for $1,200, and the fanboys will swoon over it.
G lens
It should be 100mm F2.8. If it comes out like this, then my source was right.
Most 90mm macros are f 2.8…I see no reason this one will not be
I found this roadmap for FE lenses. Don’t know if there is anything new in it. Large aperture prime must be the rumoured 85 mm, I guess ?
http://www.sony.net/Products/di/lenses/roadmap.pdf
This looks legit. I am a bit sad as it seems Sony will now finally announce the 16-35 and 28-135 plus possibly the Macro lens. The 85 f1.4 (large aperture prime) which I crave will only be announced later (e.g. November) and possibly hit stores in April 2015 and be actually available for me to buy in June.
Personally I doubt it will be 1.4..never ever 😉 imo…..i think it is much more realistic that the large aperture zeiss prime is a 85 1.8 (weight/size, compactness of e mount lens/primes)….but the blue zeiss tag means 1000 us bucks at least…..
Once and for all, how do you all feel about the e mount lens philosophy?
A: I would prefer 1.4 primes and 2.8 zooms, regardless of size.
B: The system only make sense of the lenses are smaller, so f2 primes and f4 zooms are better.
C: Find a middle ground, like 2.8-4 zooms and 1.8 primes.
I vote A. The camera is smaller regardless, but I have no use for 2.8 primes and f4 zooms.
Then it’s not the system for you right now.
As I mentioned before, it seems clear primes will max out at f1.8, and zooms f/4. This is fine for most people. Maybe that will change in a few years, but I doubt any of the remaining lenses on the 15 lens roadmap are f/1.4 primes, or f/2.8 zooms. That takes us up to 2016.
I vote B. I think f4 is OK for zoom lenses and f2 for primes if it can contain the overall size of the system
C. If I would not believe this I would have bought Fuji or m43
Actually Canon line up contains all f2.8, f4 and variable aperture zooms. Similar is the situation for primes.
FE is new system Sony need to issue stop gap options, plus they need to address the biggest market share first. So logically we get option C
One more thing the Zeiss 2,8/35 and 1,8/55 are superb lenses much better than 1.4 variants like the Fuji, Nikon or Canon or even Sony’s own f1.4s.
Yes but canon doesn’t have an incentive to keep the size and weight down, so for them it’s more about offering a lower cost alternative… I agree about option c though – doubt we’ll see f2.8 e-mount zooms until the bases are all covered. Even then my suspicion is a 3rd party will release one first.
Canon has all the reasons to keep the weight down because they’re trying to compete with mirrorless by making very small dslrs (e.g. 100D, etc.). Also have a look at their recent lens releases… obsessive weight reductions and updates even for recently released lenses that need no replacements. They’re also releasing more and more pancake lenses. I bet they can make a 70-200/4L IS II that’s lighter and maybe shorter than the FE one because the current one is already not bigger than the Sony one.
Of course there will be physical limitations and at those times they’ll price things accordingly.
Release all the small lenses first, and then start with A. Or start with A right now, as far as I’m concerned…
D. 1.8 primes, 1.4 primes, f/4 zooms, f/2.8 zooms
B or C is good enough for me – can’t say I really need f1.4 on full frame… The 55/1.8 suggests they’re open to moderately fast primes. If you really need option A then a-mount/la-ea4 is probably the best solution – I can’t tell see them getting the weight low enough on full frame af glass for the ergonomics to work on an a7 body.
B. If you’re willing to use big lenses, just stick with A-Mount with better AF, ergonomics and everything. E-Mount was specifically designed for compactness.
Admin! Don’t forget to put in some A mount SR1 rumors now after E mount talk. At least some Otus pricing. Or Barry will go wild!
Tripod mount ring please!
Don’t expect a 85/1.4, more 85/1.8 or 2.0, and thats absolutely ok. 85/1.4 would mean too many compromises I guess.
Ppl who say the 55/1.8 should be 1.4 have no idea… There’s not a single good 50mm over at Canon, the 50/1.4 is a cheap softy and the 50/1.2L never gets sharp stopped down. Even Canon shooter dont really like it except for its bokeh. I prefer an allrounder like the 55/1.8, because it still has a wonderful bokeh and gets crazy sharp stopped down. I use it for a lot of different styles.
You can’t beat the Tamron SP90 on its price to performance ratio~
But does it have silent fast AF, IS, auto lens profiles and all that?
The Tamron 90mm f2.8 VC has silent fast AF, IS but no auto lens profiles. However lens profiles for a lens with negligible distortion and vignetting is not a biggie.
whatever this is, it’s too slow
If this 85/90mm is f2.8 it will come my next lens, hope for no Zeiss here, too expensive, Sony must introduce more G lenses for the no so big pocket guy, like me 😉
G lenses are not cheap at all ! Thats Sony’s ‘Gold’ series like the 70-200mm f4 G OSS and the 500mm f4 G lens.
The roadmap shown is still the old one.
It is already public info, that the uwa zoom will be the “Vario-Tessar T* FE 16-35mm F4 ZA OSS”, so it shall be correctly mentioned in the road map.
Macro teles are 2.8 (90, 100 and 105) or 3.5 (180, 200) so I don’t see why some people are complaining that this will be “only” 2.8. Macro work is between f8 and f22 in 90% of the cases and macro teles can also be used as great portrait lenses.
http://photobyandrei.wordpress.com/
There are f/2 macros in those focal lengths too. E.g. Olympus and Zeiss.
f/22 in the 35mm format is not very good technique and a lot of times there are ways to achieve better quality.
Olympus has a 4 times smaller sensor than a full-frame so it was easy to design a f2 macro. Both the Olympus 50mm f2 Macro (100mm ff equiv) and the The Zeiss Makro-Planar 100mm f2 ZE are 1:2 macro lenses and not 1:1 so I would not call them real macro lenses 🙂 because I’m spoiled with 1:1 magnification… The best apertures regarding IQ when using macro lenses are between f4-f16 but sometimes you need f22 to get your subject in focus. This is a thing that every macro shooter knows. Shoot raw and it’s easy to correct the disadvantages of diffraction @ f22 considering macro lenses are more than decent at that aperture.
No x 3:
1. I referred to the FF Olympus 90/2.
2. It’s more difficult to design _and_ build lenses for smaller formats. They require sharper lenses and build tolerances are very tight so QC should be higher.
3. Lenses don’t become bad at f/22… diffraction becomes bad at f/22. It’s blurred to begin with so what is there to correct in post? Using focus stacking or lens movements when possible is the better way.
I guess ….
macro Sony 90 2.8 G OSS
Zeiss large aperture prime: Zeiss Sonnar T 85 1.8 FE ZE lens
and the other lens being announced within 2015 at least are already known according to the latest lens roadmap from may 2014…
one travel zoom 28-135 f4 g oss and the zeiss uwa zooom 16-35 f4 oss
so zeiss 16-35 f4 oss
fe 28-135 f4 g oss walkaround zoom lens/travel zoom
The 28-135 f4 G OSS is not a travel zoom it’s a video lens. It’s very large and heavy as I mentioned in my previous comment.
It is certainly very large, I don’t think it will be ‘that’ heavy though.
+1
The 28-135 f4 G OSS is not a travel zoom it’s a video lens. It’s very large and heavy:
http://briansmith.com/first-look-sony-fe-28-135-f4-power-zoom-lens/
Pfffff, it looks very large and heavy for the A/ series. And it also looks rock-solid.
If it keeps what its look promises, it will become videographers budget dream.
(2.5k is expensive though cheap compared to high end cine lenses)
Yep, because lenses like Angenieux cost like 10 times more…
The 28-135 F4 G OSS is *not* going to be a travel zoom, unless you like carrying around a huge heavy lens. It’s a video lens. I picture recently featured on this site even showed it with a tripod collar, which gives you an idea of the size and weight.
Zeiss FE 90mm macro … Hmmmm … This could be total orgazmic …
Let’s see if this rumor is going to mirror reality …
If it’s macro it won’t be fast… fwiw.
rumor and roadmap says Sony G and not Zeiss
Generic E-mount Troll Complaint: ” Yes but when is Sony going to offer a [“insert lens not offered yet”] lens, until then it will never be a successful camera system.
In all seriousness, if someone’s using Canon or Nikon exclusively, they have no reason to be here. Canon’s mirrorless segment is non-existent and the few who have EOS Ms didn’t get one thinking it’d be an alternative to a Sony. Nikon 1 mirrorless users again have different needs in mind. The rest of the Canon/Nikon users are perfectly happy with their DSLRs and they won’t bother.
So the ones who say things like “yes but when is Sony going to offer…” are likely worried mirrorless users from other camps… like Fuji X and microFourThirds. Lots of hardcore fanboys in those two… in fact, they’re more like compounds than camps.
agree, I don’t see any reason to give up the F1.2 primes and 300mm+ lenses with fast AF of Canikon and switch to Sony F1.8 primes or F4 zooms, and the sony lenses are even more expensive, and almost the same weight with the Canikon’s.
I’m a Canon shooter but I also like other photo companies out there like Sony, Fuji and Olympus. I’m very interested in what’s happening in the mirrorless world because it seems to represent the future, although I’m not going to change my gear in the next 7-8 years as I’m a fresh 6D user (changed this year from Nikon D90/D60) and I’m going to invest in EF lenses. There are others like me who are interested also so this is not a place only for Sony/Minolta users or for users that will buy Sony in the next years.
Yeah well I’m a Canon user too. All you have added is that there are exceptions… is that a surprise?
28-135 F4 G OSS
16-35 F4 ZA OSS
90 F2.8 G OSS
85 F1.8 ZA
The last unknown might be a kit telezoom such as 70-210 F4-5.6 OSS to complement the 28-70
I agree this scenario is very realistic so there are only two lens left….interesting what kind of lens the last two will be released within 2015…..i think one has to be defienteyl a wider prime lens than the 35 2.8……so i am guessing a 24 1.8, 2 or 2.8 (maybe pancake version???). This will be the most interesting lens because the fe mirrorless cams have some problems with wide prime lens…..could be the most demanding lens for the lens engineers as wide angle are known for…….thats why it comes at the end sadly…..and the other could be a rebadged/redisgned sony zeiss 135 1.8 za OSS (as 2.8 little less wighty and bulky???) lens for fe mount or another (ultra) wide prime lens….a 18 or 20 mm……maybe they choose instead of those uww a more moderated wide angle a 28mm…..as canon and nikon have with their 1.8s….
And there is also a quite number of photographers prefering the 28mm, wider FL instead of the 35mm esp. for street photography, architecture/landscapes and for some this FL replaces even the 24 and 35m simultaneously….
So a lof of conjectures and speculations could be made but i think it is relatively obvious that a kit telezoom lens as mentioned and one wider prime lens 24 2 or 2.8 are coming at least….the other could be a surprise….maybe also a kit uww zoom to complete the set with three kit zoom lens….or even one tilt and shift lens or a fisheye as a special purpose lens…
time will tell…..
I think the problem is it’s not easy to adapt existing WA rf designs to FE. From the looks of things Zeiss was able to tweak the 35/2 zm design, but it’s unclear if there’s any optical compromises…
only 2 lenses in 2015. sony is really committed to have more cameras than lenses.
thanks for the roadmap. it clearly made me chose to never buy sony again. no way I’m gonna sell my old system when I’ve no lenses for the A7. FU sony.