By end of this week (probably Thursday) Sony will announce the new Sony A68. But two trusted sources just gave me some hints about a possible second announcement from Sony.
Trusted source 1:
He told me there is a major Sony invitation for an event around mid November. Usually that kind of invitations are made for a product launch. And he doesn’t belive that’s for the A68.
Trusted source 2:
Sony told us an A6000 successor is about to be announced soon. And it will ship already by end December or early January.
After a major delay we may finally see the A6xxx at last?
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At this moment, a successor to A6000 / APS-C E-mount Camera has simply become a myth, a prophecy if you prefer it.
Is there going to be a A6100 AND a A7000?
major delay????
It more looked like major errors in the rumor mill. By the same token we are waiting now 3 years for the SR5 Sony 85/1.8…good thing I bought the Batis. Ohhh and it is about 2nd year waiting for the A99ii and A99ii for video and gazillion wrong rumors.
Truth is SAR has not guessed even one camera release right in the last 3 years….
I think it often seems like the weather forecast: if you look to see what the weather is likely to be in a week’s time and then follow it day by day the forecast gradually changes.
Then, just a few hours before the ‘predicted weather’, they finaly get it right, even though all you have to do is look out the window by then!
Astonishingly, we are told the forecast now has a high degree of accuracy…you might as well stick to throwing runes, or tarot cards!!
A6xxx in november, so A77iii is around the corner too
…or may be several corners….and that November may be in 2017….or never…or may be it is January or March or May or September….
What is the last time you read correct camera release rumor here? 2011? or there was one lucky guess in 2012?
BTW it is SR3 so it is entirely possible that it is completely bogus.
But that’s the fun about rumors, otherwise it will be called news.
It’s only been in the last year the rumours have disappeared.
In an email address I used here in July last year I received a phishing email saying I had brought a Taylor swift song and if I hadn’t to click on a link starting with ios and when clicked it took me to a fake Apple Canada store. Just to be clear this wasn’t the Sony hack as that happened later and I have circumstantial evidence the email came from another state.
But if me as a nobody on this site was affected, what else was affected?
It is two or more years. A7 cameras are now 2 years old and they came out of the blue. This notorious 85/1.8 never made it nor the nex-7 follow up – these are 3 years old rumors. Reality is Sony are keeping silent and only leak things intentionally as of late.
I doubt Sony is moving the update cycle for the a77 line from 2.5 / 3 years to 1.5 / 2 years. It would also be strange to release an a77-3 before an a99-2 if Sony is truly going to refresh the a-mount lineup.
Just a hunch as A6000 and A77ii share the sensor, so maybe it will come after A6xxx with a hybrid focus. Mid of next year would be excellent time for that and A99ii could come with hybrid focus and A7rii sensor in Feb or so. I am just putting down a wish list, what actually happens is totally up to Sony.
A6800 – year of the Alpha Mount.
😉
All the magazines will vote A68 for the camera of the year in all categories and A7Rii falls to 2nd place.
If the a68 exists perhaps it is iether the long rumored hybred mount…or the a6800 that someone confused for an a68., and not a new A mount camera.
Recent 27% drop in Sony camera sales may have let Sony know they cannot afford to lose thier entire A mount camera base.
A new entry level hybrid camera would give A mount hold outs an entry into the E mount sysrem.
It would also allow purchase of the camera without fear of obsolescence.
Rumors of a hybrid mount have been with us for very a long time, perhaps now it would be a good time to finally release it.
Hey Barry – only two questions:
1. What makes you believe this 27% sales drop is missing A-mount sales?
2. How should this Hybrid mount work? I don’t think the bayonet can transform itself into another one. In my opinion the only way to have a hybrid-camera is to use adapters. And a A->E adapter like the existing make more sense than an E->A adapter plus 35 mm sensor-shift.
The A mount has a larger inner diameter, so if the outer ring of E-mount could have a cutout of A-mount’s bayont, then a extendable A mount is probably possible( tough the mount would be rather fragile).
According to diameters, A-mount has 3.5mm more this 1.75mm more radius. The mechanic clamps of the bayonet will very very likely not fit into this small space of less than 2mm.
Next is the electrical connectors. Using a mechanic to change it? Well that would be maybe possible but it may be fragile and expensive to build.
The A mount has contact on the top where E mount has them on the bottom, I know it’s highly impissible, but we are just guessing , right?
It’s actually good guess-work – yes.
What happens, if an E-mount lens extends more inside the mount than the A-mount lens has it’s connetors. Or the other way round…
Well I believe the connector ( or mount depth) on A mount is longer than E mount, What I think is, the hybrid should be able to pull the A mount Baynot out just a little bit( to have it usable) and have the connector align with the bayont, and then a sensor shift move the sensor to fit the flange distance
That would be a mechanical masterpiece – indeed. We will see if this happens in the next years.
I did not say that,..I said they cannot afford to lose the A mount cutomers
Not sure how they plan to make it but could include Z shift.
The right question is not “how they plan to make it”, it is “If they make to plan it”
Also, while their unit sales volume dropped, profits were up if I recall correctly.
In short, they’re making MUCH more profit per unit sold, almost surely from A7-family sales. A-mount is simply too old to command that sort of price premium any more. They can sell an E-mount body for more than an A-mount body despite the fact that dropping the SLT mirror, AF module, and screwdrive motor save significantly on costs.
And how long do you think that tactic works? The new A7’s are US$3000 cameras. How often do you think people will update theirs? Moreover, the excess inventory of the Mark I’s is teaching people to wait, as they can get a very competent camera for cheap if they just buy back a generation.
The problem with all the Japanese companies is this: they book as sales things sold into subsidiaries, distribution, and retailers. Those aren’t actually sales to customers. So the whole thing of putting increased emphasis on high-end gear to get more GP/unit doesn’t work long term unless all that channel stuffing turns into real customer sales.
What I see in all the camera companies is the same thing: short term tactics to make the immediate bottom line look better but which have the potential of becoming a bigger downstream problem. There’s simply no escaping the fact that every camera company is under extreme pressure right now.
SR0
It could be a6000 confusion by the rumormongers but there is no way the other possibility is for a hybrid camera at the entry-level.
If Sony releases an adaptation friendly e-mount body (not a hybrid mount), I predict it would be a larger e-mount full frame body with a screw drive motor in the body (so the mirrorless adapter can utilize screw drive AF lenses or a smaller SLT adapter). Maybe Sony can design the body with an inset so that the adapter can sit more into a notch in the body rather than just out to offload weight and stress from the camera mount and camera facing section of the adaptor to the magnesium camera shell for improved stability and ergonomics.
I highly doubt an actual hybrid mount camera can / will be made.
Z-shift may come one day, probably when the on-sensor AF catches up. Looks highly unlikely now
It’s amazing how somebody’s wet dream wish becomes “long rumored”. The hybrid mount is just a fantasy.
SAR
Dec 30 2013
Sr4…first few a-e mount hybrid details
It has a lever so the A mount can be lifted off to use the E mount.
That is the original rumor.
Multiple new rumors jave surfaced since then, incuding Z shift.
If this sr4 rumor turns out to be just a fantasy then why should the sr4 or sr5 rumors of a new A mount camera turn out to be any less of a fantasy.
There is a distinct difference between “long rumoured” and rumoured a long time ago.
Very well put 🙂
JUNE 19, 2013 (SR5) Sony is betting high on the new A-mount mirrorless generation!
DECEMBER 1, 2014 (SR5) Sony’s new A-mount FF is an “evolution” of the A99
and of course the year of the A-mout, we all remember that one
Rumors from 2013 mean squat
As the track record shows…I am better off betting against the SAR exclusive rumor of a new A mount camera
There have been SR4s here that were clearly fiction and should have been SR1, the rating is completely meaningless until it’s SR5.
Sounds like an E-Mount camera with a removable A-Mount adaptor, so by that logic any E-Mount camera with an adaptor is a hybrid. Nonsense.
In a recent interview…I dont remmember which one…a Sony Spokesperson did state that the a7rii is the first true hybrid camera.
As for the rumor I refer to here it is an example of some of the many rumors on this subject, in many of the differrent versions Z shift is discussed.
I am not predicting if Sony will make a hybrid camera or not.
There is a large group of A mount users that have not been willing to switch to E mount with adapter.
If Somy were to produce a camera that A mount holdouts were willing to buy, and it could also accept E mount lenses then it would further Sony’s goal of converting A mount users to E mount as painlessly as possible.
Still today there are multiple rumors about new E mount, but only SAR suggests a new A mount , and that based solely on information by 2 ” trusted sources”
” Wolf, wolf, wolf, com’on guys this time it really is a wolf “
Still holding out hope that you might predict something correctly? If you throw enough darts at the board, one is bound to hit sometime . . .
Is that the line you plan to use when the new A mount camera fails to appear?
I’m not the one who needs to work on his lines. You haven’t seen me running my mouth off all over this forum about a-mount. That was you Barry.
What are you going to say when this camera is placed in your lap Barry? Are you going to deny that it really exists, or are you going to say that this is the last a-mount camera that Sony will ever produce, so it doesn’t count?
On the contrary
You have been among a handfull of the most criticle persistent and offensive critics on this subject.
And iI fully expect that if this A mount camera does not matetialize you and the others will be totally unwilling to take responsibility for your comments….just a Christopher who argued against the innovations that are now on A7rii will not take any responsibility…but is even more critical of me for being right.
If a new A mount camera is released , then and only then will I admit to an incorrect prediction. Certainly not until I see the camera.
So what will you have to say if this camera does not materialize…I expect you will still be acusing me of being wrong.
Badge of honor! I’ll try harder! (To be honest Barry, I think if you would stop repeating the same drivel over and over again, people would leave you alone. Stop inviting it and your critics will stop responding.)
Exactly. A broken clock is right twice a day.
A major delay? It’s an unannounced product.
Then it is a delay for the announcement.
Only for psychics and soothsayers. Otherwise, there was no pre-announcement for the announcement that was claimed to have been delayed.
You forgot the big group of Sony engineers and product planers.
But maybe I am wrong and a A6000 successor was never planned for 2015 and everything was wrong rumor to keep the SAR clicks high.
When did the Sony engineers and product planners and PR people announce such a product and then announce the delay?
The more likely scenario – SAR got it wrong and would prefer to blame Sony for a secret delay rather than just admit the wrong prediction.
Doesn’t make sense to replace the A600 now, great camera that is getting cheaper and cheaper, they trully need the NEX-7 replacement.
4K, IBIS and AF compatibility like A7rII, with high fps from A6000.
..the only thing we know for sure, that the A6000 sells well. So.. an A6100 may be just a minor upgrade at this price point, and maybe the upcoming camera is not a replacement but something in the higher price range, an A7000, a true Nex7 successor:) ..with IBIS:)
Agree. Looks more probable for the price. A7000 will have to be it, or maybe the way full frame prices are tumbling maybe we will never get A7000 and for $1000 A7 is a darn good camera.
Personally, if it has IBIS or the A7RII’s improved support for adapted lenses, either one of those will render this an insta-buy for me even if nothing else changes.
If they have both I’ll be throwing my money at my screen until it goes on sale.
i hope for a a7000 APS-C with IBIS, an a7SII like sensor and three wheels!
Hmmm… a high-end/pro A7000 with high ISO, IBIS and weather sealing would be interesting. Maybe I should hold off on ordering the RX1RM2…
Somehow i feel that A6xxx won’t get that IBIS, BSI sensor yes but for current price point its too much engineering crammed into a small body. We need A7000 with a DSLR style body rather than range finder style to have space and ask price for all bells & whistles.
Slightly bigger body for IBIS and bigger grip: yes, DSLR style body: huge NO.
Also I don’t think the price point will be as low as the A6000 was.
Throw in a bsi sensor, wider af tracking coverage with a speed jump and it’s worth more. If it has a little weather sealing as well? I’d pay $1100 right now…
..are you listening Sony? We all want the same! 🙂
It is finally going to be announced late!
1. I will believe it when I see it.
2. Shipping in late December doesn’t really make sense. Get it on the shelves a few weeks before Christmas, that makes more sense. Get it on the shelves now, before holiday shopping frenzy starts, that makes the most sense.
4k overheating problems means last minute design change, missed christmas holiday target. Still, life goes on, have to sell it as quick as possible, and with many stores having a 30 day return policy, you might scrounge a few sales after the holidays.
The product was never announce so this 4k overheating problem stuff is all hearsay and “rumors.”
regardless of the 4k overheating, the engineering and production team clearly missed their deadline if it doesn’t start selling at the end of november or early december.
Stuff happens, the A6000 was only released in april 2014. So being a month late after spending a year and half designing a new camera is a spectacular feat for engineering. Canon and nikon release new cameras every 3-4 years.
Everything is a rumor until it is actually announced. I like reading about rumored products as much as everyone, but until it is announced, it is just as imaginary as a Roswell grey alien.
So, no new A-mount afterall, why no mirrorless A-mount !!!!!
Please don’t start this again. It’s cruel.
I was waiting for the new A6xxx but if the A68 is good enough I may stick with a-mount a bit longer. It’s just they seem to be under investing in the latest a-mount models. I wanted to like the A77ii but it was released with very little of the Sony tech that followed just a couple of months later.
the A7000 definitely needs a better kitlens, why does anyone seems to talk anymore about that !!!
Is this the A68 that was supposed to be announced in November?
I don’t want a lot for Christmas
there is just one thing I need.
I don’t care about the presents
underneath the Christmas tree.
Unless it’s the Sony A6xxx…
I hope it has amazing specs!
Make my wish come true
Sony, now it’s all up to you!
Subconsciously I start to regard “A6XXX” as the literally real name of the upcoming camera.
I did the same with Airbus A3XX
http://www.aeromedia.it/a3xx.jpg
End December, early January? Right after the Christmas holiday period and after people have spend a lot of money already on presents? Strange time to release a new camera imo.
I see under the christmas tree many printed pre-orders on mamorized paper 🙂
A68 and A6xxx at the same time? Put out both and see which one sells more? 😀
A rating of (Sr3) followed by a question. Does that mean that there is a 50% chance that this is a real question?
What not release the newest e-mount directly after a questionable a-mount, taking all the attention. Seems like it would sum up Sony’s strategy thus far.
In all seriousness, I hope the a68 changes is a game changer for a stagnant a-mount. And I’m sure the next e-mount will be great.
Still Holding my Breathe ………
RIP
I don’t get the hype on this camera. I find the fuji’s more interesting if I was to go APSC mirror less. I never got why the A6000 sold so well other than it was cheap and had fast AF.
“cheap and had fast AF” if it can beat other cameras within the same price segment that’s enough, majority of entry level camera buyers never use other than kit lenses.
And it is compact and has an EVF.
Which APS-C camera else can match that?
Well, non I guess. At this point though, fuji has gotten a lot better. Also, if compact is truly the endgame then I don’t see why M43 wouldn’t be more attractive. It’s had 5 axis, touchscreen and a better selection of cheap to high quality primes. I tried the A6000 out- it’s not bad. It’s just not a camera outside of the AF hype that I think offers anything unique.
Very long time ago, even before the mirrorless era – I made my thought about which DSLR camera-brand I will go for the future.
Olympus was out first, because the sensor was smaller than all the others: less sensitivity / less DoF
Today people think the same way: Why a FT-sensor when I can get almost double the area with an APS-C sensor for the same money?
Watch any review of TheCameraStore about any mFT cam. Regardless how good it is – you will find Chris talking about the small sensor-size.
I have never seen any review by that famous Chris, but I have a m43 and it’s pretty good. Would an apsc sensor be better? Of course. But the system would also be larger.
Concerning film and 4/3: what has changed is that now the image quality from sensors even smaller than 4/3 is beyond what most people need most of the time.
When I stepped into mirrorless, I got the NEX-5. The body was as small as the small m43 bodies of that time, but giving me almost double the sensor size.
I have overlooked that the lenses are bigger… 🙁
But if I am willing to sacrify some IQ, I can take a smaller 50mm lens when I actually need 85mm and crop into the picture. Then I use about the m43 section of my APS-C sensor, getting about m43 quality, DoF, etc…
At the time it was announced, it’s AF blew away anything in the Fuji lineup. Fuji has drastically improved in this arena since then but back then, the a6000 ran circles around the Fuji from this standpoint.
actually the Alpha 6000’s AF was on par (or little bit faster but not drastically better) with the Fuji Xt-1 which was release a little bit before the Sony…but if you choose Fuji’s camp you pay double the price.
Hard pill to swallow for the neo retro look.
Not for moving subjects, that’s what I was referring to but didn’t say so explicitly. For static subject lock, yes, but not for tracking moving subjects. Fuji has improved that a lot though since.
Other than cheap and fast AF is more than enough. It is plenty of camera f little cache and simply is better than any Fuji to date…that is if you intend to take pictures. Fuji is vastly better if you need jewel like accessory to suite your metro styling….
That XPRO1 though- if only Sony made an OVF/EVF. That’s all I ask for.
There is new one comming or so the Fuji rumor goes
Yeah, I’m keeing my eye on that rumor.
Cheaper, faster and better IQ
A77ii price dropped $100 on Amazon in anticipation of these new products.
Last week, I said I wouldn’t be surprised if the A68 actually turned out to be the A6000 successor…
I still wouldn’t be totally shocked.
Wouldn’t be the first time lately that what’s released is totally different from the rumors. See the A7II, A7rII, A7sII, RX1mk2 and so on.
Sony have 2 mounts and 2 sensor sized and within each category people who want smaller and larger cameras… they’re simply stretching themselves too thin.
Look at Fuji – they chose one mount and one sensor size and they aren’t jumping on anything else until they’ve perfected this one.
Fuji only makes money with those goofy instant cameras, they aren’t offering anything more than 12 versions of that same tired, 4-year-old, 16mp sensor because that’s all they can do.
They’re the only ones doing OVF/EVF mirror less. I see this as a lost opportunity for Sony. I mean, put a rangefinder style OVF/EVF in an A7 body and now consumers have the option of doubling battery life if they want- without sacrificing EVF advantages when they need it. XPRO1 goes from 410 shots to around 1100 when switching to OVF.
It makes more sense IMO to offer this type of technology in a FF camera. So many diehard OVF fans who refuse to switch over because of battery life or the experience of using an OVF. Problem solved. Why is Fuji the only one doing this?
Rangefinder-style OVF is technology from the first half of last century and was quickly replaced by SLR technology in the late 50s (Nikon F…) Only Leica survived but they had this funny SLR adaptor for the Leicas to circumvent the rangefinder problems for macro and long tele lenses…
The battery life is not really a problem (at least for me) – a FW50 battery is around the same size as a 135 film cartridge – and I was used to have at least 5 of them in my pockets in those days – now they are replaced by FW50s 🙂
And if Sony would make a VG for the A7 range for the bigger batteries from the SLT range (space would be sufficient in the VG!) and/or took a look at their own VG for the SLT A99 (with the VG for the A99 you have 3 batteries: one in the cam and two in the VG – not such a silly dummy battery just to make the contact to the cam!)
I used the OVF in the Xpro1 and one of the X100’s, IMO it only worked with the fixed lens, otherwise it was like looking though one of those add-on viewfinders, I wound up using the EVF on the Xpro. Everyone is different though, it was just odd with a zoom.
I haven’t tried it yet, but the XPRO goes for like 4 bills now. I was tempted by the touit Zeiss lenses, but the reviews are only so so. I do like the idea of the OVF and I hope other manufacturers offer something similar in the future. For a lot of people migrating over to mirrorless- it would sure make the transition easier.
I’d rather Sony put 16Mp in their future cameras.
And Fuji also has a tiny fraction of Sony’s camera sales. I do agree though that there products are very good.
And we as customers should give a rat’s behind why? We aren’t Sony shareholders or anything
How do you know who is and isn’t a Sony shareholder or even if a Mutual Fund you may own has Sony shares in it 😉
May animalsbybarry actually be the head of Sony marketing?
ROFLMAO!
Him being Japanese would explain his spelling issues…
At least three mounts, and upwards of six sensor sizes (if you’re aiming for objectivity, which I doubt).
The new A mount camera
” Wolf, wolf, wolf…com’on guys this time it really is a wolf”
…And that’s why if another a-mount camera gets released your usual crew of haters will criticize you.
If I continue to predict no new A mount I can at worst only be critisized for making a wrong prediction.
If I do not continue to make that prediction I will be critisized for changing my mind and making a wrong prediction.
And if I am completely absolutely correct…they will still find something to critisize me about….and never admit I was rite.
Most of the innovations I have been predicting for years are now in the a7rii, but you still manage to critisize me for that.
Lol, the innovations of the a7r2 have nothing to do with the wish lists of the SAR vocal minority. But if it gives you a warm & fuzzy feeling whenever you use an a7r2 to think that you invented the notion of more resolution, of Sony using their rx100 bsi tech in a larger sensor, of Sony implementing ibis in E-mount as they had in their a-mount cameras or if e-mount cameras could autofocus a-mount lenses faster …well enjoy the delusions.
I wasn’t even speaking to prediction-making I was speaking to your trolling of a-mount owners (now that you own an e-mount body) just as you once trolled e-mount owners when you disliked e-mount…less than a year ago.
So even though I correctly predicted the innovations…long before they happenned, and you as well as others wrongly critisized and dissagreed with the predictions,, they do not count because I did not actually directly cause my predictions to happen.
You clearly have even higher expectations of me than you claim I have of me.
In the past, you wrote that you directly contributed to these things becoming a reality because Sony had been reading your ramblings. I can provide direct quotes from you, but what is the point? You will disavow or say that it is out-of-context or a misinterpretation.
Nearly everyone wanted IBIS since it already existed in Sony’s other cameras, many people want higher resolution (it’s not a prediction, it is inevitable), BSI existed for years in the rx100 – extrapolating it o another camera is a no-brainer. Every user wants faster AF and better performance of a-mount lenses on e-mount bodies.
Wishful, obvious thinking does not equal a lone prediction that no one saw coming. Your MO is, whenever something sounds exotic that you read about or a feature you see on another camera exists by any manufacturer you then state than Sony MUST implement feature x, y and z or Canon / Nikon will crush them to oblivion.
I do recall one prediction that is all yours – Canon will dominate mirrorless by the end of the year. The clock is ticking…
At the time that prediction was made…
Canon themselves were making that claim
Canon had dual pixel , Sony E mount had no IBIS, no pdaf compatability, and asorted other major issues…this was befpre the a7rii.
Based on what was happpening at that time this was a very reasonble and logical prediction…in my opinion..but things changed and so that prediction has not come true and it is highly unlikely to happen , certainly not in that timeline.
While I have a good track record and make logical predictions based on current yech and trends, I am not clairvoyant and not every prediction I make will come true.
Certainly not every prediction that SAR makes comes true either.
But here you are discounting all the correct predictions I made that happenned with a7rii, even though you personally argued most of them with me.
Now lets move on to the current prediction,.
I do not believe there will be a new A mount.
Hybrid..I am right
No A mount ..I am right
New A mount camera…this prediction is wrong
New a mount camera with latest state of the art tech not yet seen on E mount…then Sony has demonstrated a commitment to A mount and that comment of mine would also be incorrect.
So whether or not I am correct will be very simple to judge…
Do not distort this one.
I remember very well the pdaf-adapter discussions with you and some people I can’t remeber their names….
You said, Sony will make an adapter that allows fast OSPDAF. Well – it was not the adapter that allowed fast AF, it was the body itself. On this point you were wrong. But you were right, that the solution came from Sony 🙂
I thought any other 3rd party manufacturer makes an adapter that can use PDAF from existing A6000 / A7 / A7ii.
And the majority of trolls here in SAR claimed that it is impossible – because if it was possible it would already exist.
Bottom line: Barry – I think your prediction was not 100% accurate, but better than any other one.
At the time my claim was that the reason E mount was not compatable with A mount lenses was not…as everyone else without exception insisted…that it cannot be done nut rather that Sony deliberately chose a desighn that would not do it, and that they could do it if they choose.
I offered a second alternative solution of desighning an adapter that would work, andI cited examples of how Camon wassolvimg the problem with dual pixels.
I was absolutely certain it could be done and without a single exception every single commentor adsolutely insosted it was impossible and violatrd the laws poo f physics.
That is exactly what Sony accomplished with the a7rii, and yhat I had been saying t ey should , and could be done since the day E mount..nex…first was released.
Every single one of these people had insisted I was wrong, and still none have acknowledged that I was correct.
The reason not every one of my solutions proved correct was because when one of yhe choices was found to work best there was no reason to develope a differrent solution.
I also suggested a differrent type of motor for the lenses …again I offered more than one possible solution to insure that a solution could be found and would work.
…as everyone else without exception insisted…
not true: I said it is possible. Unlike you I just said a 3rd party manufacturer will make an adapter and you said, Sony makes this adapter.
But I am too lazy to cram this old thread out. Disqus is so uncomfortabe to search for old posts.
My apologies..I did not mean to include you as you have always been very reasonable…in fact I should not use the term everyone since that is not totally accurate and I wish to correct that .
I toned down that comment a little.
“I was absolutely certain it could be done and without a single exception every single commentor adsolutely insisted it was impossible and violated the laws of physics.”
Please could you post some examples of posters here saying that?
There will be no hybrid cameras that can mount A and E without any form of adapter.
It can be done with a mont that can morph into 2 differrent configurations combined with Z shift..
Considering how simple it is to use an adapter I do not think it is practical however.
Another possibility is the original 2013 concept of a lever that slides aside the A mount to reveal an E mount beneath it…but tecnically that can be considered an adapter that is built into the camera.
I expect no new A mount camera and no hybrid camera, but am leaving the hybrid possibility open because from a marketing standpoint it makes sense for converting A mont users to E mount.
Most of these critics will be very vocal about critisizing me if I am wrong, but will absolutely never acknowledge if I an correct.
As proven by the fact that not a single one of them has fully acknowledged that I was correct about ospdaf compatability.
I don’t believe that the mount can morph. I believe only in adapters and similar solutions. If there wasn’t the problem of a mechanical instability, an adapter has no disadvantage to a native A-mount.
If Sony realizes hybrid camera, then it has an exchangeable front with a bigger and more robust connection surface to the back-body.
No z-shift needed, the E-mount config can be smaller than the A-mount one. And the A-mount config has plenty of room for screw drive AF. For SLT, too. But this belongs to the adapter-category.
IF Sony makes a hybrid – this most likely.
I do not distort, you re-spin your erroneous statements that you revise with rose colored glasses. You trolled E mount consumers on here for years until a camera was released that you liked, despite people like me telling you that it was not yet a mature system and is improving at an impressive rate and now you are trolling a mount users. Your lack of objectivity and your intent to irritate not predict or discuss are what I will always attack.
I argued head to head with you personally for several years about the on sensor pdaf compatability now seen on the a7rii sensor…you absolutely insisted it was impossible…as did every other sar commenter.
To this day you knitpick every detail of every comment you can find but have never yet acknowledged that you were wrong and I was right.
So do not preach to me about standing behind my comments…stand behind your own comments.
Your interprtation of my comments is just about as worthless as your interprtation of your own comments.
I have always stood behind my comments that until the a7rii E mount was an immature system, a toy…
I consider the a7rii the first mature E mount camera.
That by the way puts me in direct opposition to the majority of Canon users who still consider the a7rii a to…an opinion that I have openly dissagreed with.
You expect every comment and every comment I make to become 100% true that will not happen…but unlike you I stand nehind and take responsibility for my comments
If you cannot recognize my correct comments then you have not earned the right to critisize my wrong ones.
“I argued head to head with you personally for several years about the on sensor pdaf compatability”
You either are sorely mistake or are outright lying. I do not doubt that you argued this point but it was not with me. Just as you never argued about BSI with me. I do not argue about technical details unless I am well informed.
My first a-mount body is an a99, which has on sensor PDaf for AF-d (if I understand it correctly), so why would I state it isn’t possible?
I did argue with you over your rants that Sony should release cameras with an EF mount just so you can use a 3rd party super zoom.
Barry seems convinced that every single person here disagreed with him. I’ve asked him for some examples of when even some people said it was impossible and violated the laws of physics. I suspect these comments are as much a fantasy as his conversation with that Sony Executive.
As usual, he seems to be twisting the truth to fit his rather strange narcissistic agenda.
Well, when I directly quote him and include the citation link he says that I am misinterpreting him (like when he said Canon will dominate this year). He feels he should not be held accountable to the statement because Sony released the a7r2 since satisfied him thus saving Sony and ending Canon.
Levity aside, he argues and fights with so many on here and other boards (he was banned from a Canon rumor site) that it is probably easier to ascribe all arguments to everyone rather than what each person actually said.
Distorting and respining my comments is all you do…so rather than wory about what what kind of glasses I wear I suggest you get a pair for yourself.
Maybe when I’m older and going senile. For now, lasik has made glasses unnecessary and I’m still happy to be rid of them.
@Christopher (to be fair):
before A7Rii, most people (99%) stated that BSI for FF makes no sense because the single pixel is too big to take advantage. Or they thought it is impossible, because if it would be possible it had been already done.
But same of this people had a BSI on their wishlist, but kept posting that it will not happen.
Same with IBIS for FF.
barry was one of the very very small group of people who said this features will come. And he was right.
I, personally, never criticized BSI for full frame although Barry has confused me with other people who have stated such. I’m not an armchair engineer and no nothing about BSI but I’m all for lower noise and I saw a benefit when I upgraded an rx100 to the BSI version.
Now- up scaling BSI SMALL
sensor to large sensor for lower noise makes sense for people with no engineering knowledge like myself or
Barry. The thing about Barry is that with every new development out there, he states must be borrowed or up scaled to an e mount camera with 50+ resolution.
Barry also stated about 8 months ago that e mount was for toys, would be dead soon and canon would dominate mirrorless by 2016 with their super high resolution sensor.
Barry makes a lot of predictions. Not all come true – indeed. If one is mean, he can say Barry predicts everything and anything must be right… like setting to red and black on roulette at the same time.
But to be fair, something obvious like seeing BSI in FF was totally true. And his ~78mp FF will come – sure. But whenever he writes about that (before a product is rumored) 90% in SAR insult him a dreamer or worse.
His current prediction of a hybrid-morphing mount is IMO mechanical not possible. And he agrees that it is unlikey to happen, because adapters are easier to construct.
Then there is the 300-600 barry lens for $3000. He demanded this lens a long time before Nikon released its 200-500 for half the price. This is the niche of the 300-600, just one step smaller. Only the drop-in TC is something… I think impossible. But well – it is barry.
And if the A6000 successor really gets 42 mp as he predicted – we will see. But 42 mp is nowadays definitely possible for APS-C.
I can predict a 5GHz processor with 16 cores but that’s too obvious. Canon showed off a 100+ mp sensor in 2010. An Aps-c 24mp sensor scaled to full frame is about 54mp. Thus a higher resolution sensor is a no brainer.
For 6 months Barry raved that Sony must release a sensor with a higher resolution than canon’s eventual 5ds sensor. When the 5ds previewed and proved to be a bit lackluster, Barry flip flopped and started saying that resolution isn’t everything – pretty much what many who argued with him were saying all along.
According Canon and mirrorless: The mount is there and has a better base than E-mount for FF. Only lenses and bodies are missing.
A year ago, I believed that Canon has ready products that will be releaed when mirrorless sales are 33%-50% of DSLRs. Just to protect the DSLR sales. But after seeing A7ii with IBIS, Sony was so far ahead that it was more and more unlikely for Canon to catch up with FF mirrorless.
About e mount and toy… 8 months ago many people in SAR stated that. (it was the pre A7Rii era – LOL)
I can’t remember if barry was one of them. There were too many of them. But if you find a statement of him 8 months ago… feel free to post it
“E mount will be deader than A mount by 2017 when the new Canon ff mirrorlrss…fully compatable with older Canon lenses, to be anounced around end of 2015 dominate the mirrorless industry.
If you give up your A mount for another soon to be obsolete Sony system that would be foolish.”
-Animalsbybarry (March 2015)
“A mount is not dead , just hibernating…it will always be better for sport, nature, macro long lenses.E mount will allways be just a toy for snapshooters and those too frail to carry a real camera.
And Canon will dominate the mirrorless market by 2017.
Switch to E mount at your own risk.”
Source: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com…
Busted!
Haha really? Even now you are still backing this horse? Most of the A mouth deniers have slithered back under their rocks to wait it out and hope no one remembers their statements. But you double down after an SR5,,, thats bold man 🙂
So if an A mount camera releases do you think you have the right to play armchair product manager and criticize every little aspect of said vaporware camera? No you will hush my child because that camera never existed.
I like your description
Yes I am doubling down after an sr5
And no I am not slithering under anyvrocks
If this camera exists and has sufficient merritt I would even buy one.
And if it exists I will have something to say about it..
Show me the camera.
So you are switching your story even from one post to the next?
“If this camera exists and has sufficient merritt I would even buy one.”
See how easily we can deceive ourselves? Opening up the possibility for yourself to backpedal when just a couple weeks ago you were ranting to the heavens about how a mount is dead and there will never be another a mount.
I mean by this stage I’m sure no one takes your rantings seriously although you make for a good whipping boy on a lazy morning.
Need to vent or prove someone wrong,,? oh there is Barry on SAR with some nonsense I can easily disprove… feels good man
Keep that word count up 🙂 🙂
I have been totally clear and consistant that I do not believe there will be an A mount camera…do not twist and distort my comment.
The ” if it exists” portion of the comment was a direct answer to an “if an A mount camera is released ” question.
Ok after re-reading your post , I believe I misunderstood what you were saying and read it as you trying to make an out for yourself. I stand corrected . You truly still believe there will be no a mount camera at all.
Correct.
Thank you for acknowledging that.
I have fully committed to either being proven right or wrong.
I am certain if I am wrong everyone will acknowledge that fact…I certainly hope if I am correct I get that same level of acknowledgement.
I am another A-mount denier, croaching out of my hole.
If this A68 comes as the rumors said – I continue to claim A-mount is dead, because it is just a rebadged A77ii. Nothing new. No innovation. No R&D.
It is just a try to make (some) people believe that Sony is commited a A-mount with all their resources – haha.
If this A68 has some really innovative features over A77ii – you can give me a
“I told you so _(“,)_/”
I hope not. E-Mount is dead. Time to release the A99II.
What about a A7 III?
α7 October 2013
α7R October 2013
α7S April 2014.
α7 II November 2014
α7R II June 2015
α7S II September 2015
No new a7 bodies for at least a year
BINGO
And miss the one big event every sports photographer pilgrimage to every 4th year?
The next handful of months is actually the best timing to release a new and fast sports camera.
A fast sports camera would have to be A99II though, right?
Not necessarily, but it would be advantageous.
The ii generation IBIS for Full Frame is already pushing the envelope.
If you add additional on-sensor DRAM for faster performance, you would burden the IBIS system far more than it already is burdened. So a larger body to accommodate larger IBIS system might come to use.
that makes a lot of sense. The next 6 months will have so many new cameras from so many different brands, they’ll make rumors websites’ heads spin
Those 8 new FE lenses will actually be 8 new A7x bodies. A7III and A7IV will be released simultaneously, both featuring 139,2 Mp sensors and a kit adapter for M39 lenses.
Definitely SR6 on that one
That was Sony going full throttle into the market. I think now that Sony has mk1 and mk2s in the pipeline at price points from $1K to >$3k they will probably slow releases.
Unfortunately, the a7ii is still sold at full price.
Yeah. I would expect the release pace for bodies to slow down a bit now that the product lines have matured.
A7Rii is mature now. Not sure about A7ii and A7Sii – AF too slow and with adapted lenses unusable.
Sony is about to release 65 mpix canon rangefinder, which uses both mount fuji and mount olympus. Nikon is shocked, hasselblad in awe, leica cant believe. Pentax answers with bulletproof kevlar chasis on their new k7.
Pentax model numbers have been decreasing, not increasing. K-7 is OLD.
Yes, but bro, its bulletproof now.
Should be K–1 then. Also, is it coincidence that Pentax has a bulletproof chasis after Sony releases a can(n)on rangefinder? I think not.
will there be a new kit lens for that new camera ??
I rather see a new A-mount camera coming, please Sony !!!! no FF but APS-C thanks.
Is this going to be shown in Paris too? Now I guess have another reason not to go to Paris.
I think this is possible, Sony is one of the very few camera makers to see the sales potential of having new models ready to go for holiday shopping and I hope it works out for them, too.
They should call it the A5, it will be more clear.
A5 rumors have disappeared but I’d still love a FF sensor in an A6000 style body with a left side EVF.
Excited to see all of (or some of) the new FE lenses, the A6000 update at last, and some love for A mount users, even though I won’t be joining the A mount group myself.
Wish Sony would move the EVF on the A7, make the body a bit taller and get rid of the hump – so its basically a bigger A6000.
Exactly!
+1
Full-Frame and faster than f/2 primes are overkill and are only popular because so many photo-gear-heads got sucked into cliches like making photos with only 5mm of an object in focus.
What’s the point of spending $$$$ on gear so that you can make 99% of your image blurry? Oh, that’s right, because you actually don’t know how to compose an image, much less tell a story, so you a) blur everything “distracting” rather than integrating your subject with the environment or b) use photoshop to clumsily paste a fake moon into your landscape.
Take a look at NatGeo’s award winning photographers’ work for nature, people, whatever. Do you see anything in there that looks like it came from DeviantArt?
I want to see some high-end APS-C built to the same standard as these Full Frame cameras. They can be made more efficient with less bulk, lighter, and with the same IQ. Good photographers don’t need to rely on gimmicks to make an image. Full frame is dead. APS-C is the future.
I shoot full frame mostly wide open with my Mitakon 50mm 0.95 and Sony Zeiss 135mm 1.8 and I assure you that the style this setup affords me is not a detriment to my images. I find it contributes to my compositions and the shallow DOF helps draw the viewer to my subject, not distracts from it. Also I shoot all manual focus and using these lenses makes taking photos a blast. To each their own, but don’t disparage styles of photography just because you can’t appreciate them. I also enjoy APS-C but I think the future is medium format sensors in compact bodies.
No, it’s impossible to do one thing without disparaging the other. Everything is polarized – a dichotomy.
And my opinion is right.
I don’t agree here having a full frame and using it extensively myself. Sure at close distances, i’ll usually stop up to f2. But at longer distances from my subject, i can use F1.4 with the subject fully in focus, only the background is a little blurry.
For portraiture, you would be absolutely correct. But i don’t always shoot portraits, sometimes my subject is part of an activity or scene, or i’ll have multiple subjects and step back a bit. F1.4 is great for these shots.
Ok you can do that but at the cost of image quality. Lenses never perform their best at maximum aperture.
“image quality” is probably not the correct term here. There’s far more to making a great image than sharpness.
Though my sigma 50mm Art is sharpest at F2, it’s still 80-90% as good at f1.4, the images still look highly detailed and still has more sharpness than most zoom lenses at their peak.
Often there’re no opportunities to calmly ‘compose’ an image. You try to keep your subject in focus and set the maximum aperture to set them apart from background. Not everything is posed/landscape photography
I shoot wildlife and almost never go below f/5.6. If you want more than a single hair in focus it’s required. You’re telling me you can’t compose an active image unless you’re at 1.8?
There are compositional techniques you can use to isolate your subject that do not require shallow DOF.
Daniel, you seem to have forgotten that Art transcends what YOU are doing. How can you possibly judge what others choose to shoot, or how they choose to shoot it, or what they choose to create. Shooting wide open with ultra fast lenses is just as valid as shooting landscapes at f/22. If another photographer chooses to shoot wide open, what does it matter to you? It sounds like you are threatened by this type of photography for some reason. BTW, I am one of those photographers who shoots fast primes wide open quite a bit. I assure you I haven’t been ‘duped’ by any manufacturer to do this. I shoot this way because its my Art. https://www.flickr.com/photos/8539414@N07/albums/72157641534772013
I’m not threatened by it. I just have a different taste in art. I’m an illustrator before I’m a photographer. I know what makes an image interesting. Negative space can be used artistically but when every image has so much of it, it becomes a lazy, boring cliche.
With illustration, you can’t get away with leaving half the paper blank so easily. Using the environment in an image effectively and creatively will make an image stronger. Background doesn’t have to be “distracting,” rather, it gives context to the subject and tells at least half of the story.
“I know what makes an image interesting”. You mean, what makes it interesting for you. Other peoples taste are completely different from your own. ANY type of art can become a lazy, boring cliché. This isn’t limited to bokeh or negative space. And as for your comparison, photography ISNT illustration. You CAN get away with leaving half the image blank if you choose. And what you see as a ‘distracting’ background may not appear that way to others. Here is a great article about some professional artists using the a7 series in their pro work. Two of them, Will Chao and Christian Marcel, shoot wide open A LOT, and do it very successfully. Nothing gimmicky about it, they are masters of the craft. Check it out.
http://ilovehatephoto.com/2015/07/15/who-are-the-professional-photographers-who-switched-to-the-sony-a7-series/
I think you’re the one who has a problem with others’ opinions. Otherwise you wouldn’t have brought me back to this dead thread.
Also, you misinterpreted what I meant about the “distracting” backgrounds. The bokeh-nuts are the ones who rattle on about “subject isolation” and “distracting backgrounds.”
If you think compositional techniques from other 2D art can’t be applied to photography, you should try studying other media. Photography is just another medium for generating 2D images.
I was 50% trolling in the original post, btw.
Dead thread? There is no Statue of Limitations on stupidity. Troll post confirmed.
Heh, I had to chuckle a little while reading your post. I fear the marketing departments have been too successful drawing the pros and enthousiasts with deep pockets to full frame for that format to be pronounced dead. But you’re completely right that a solid APS-C system would be more than good enough for the majority of us, including myself.
Sucks to be you.
Actually it doesn’t.
You’ve surrendered to mediocrity because that’s good enough for you. If you’re looking for validation you’re wasting your breath. Full frame is better and will always be better, the sensor, the lenses and depth of field control. End of story.
get a drink, open the window and take a deep breath
You missed the point, troll.
Yeah, full-frame is dead… I think it’s more likely that APS-C would flame out, but honestly, I don’t see either one disappearing in the foreseeable future, as they both have their uses.
+1000 on the point about composition!!
The same lame small sensor argument repeated ad nauseum on the micro 4/3 message boards.
As sensor technology and processing gets better and better, fewer and fewer people will need big sensors.
Why is there a strong need among people to declare anything “dead” if they don’t need or want it? There’s completely no logic in any of this.
Sure, if you feel the need to share with the world that APS-C is sufficient for your needs, fine. But don’t dismiss perfectly fine (and superior) equipment because you don’t need it.
Furthermore, you state that you want “high-end APS-C built to the same standard as these Full Frame cameras.” There are. Look up on the Nikon D7200, Canon 7DII and Sony A77II, not to forget the Pentax K5/3s.
Your point misses the point.
“Why is there a strong need among people to declare anything “dead” if they don’t need or want it? There’s completely no logic in any of this.”
To troll.
I agree most with this part of your comment: “I want to see some high-end APS-C built to the same standard as these Full Frame cameras. They can be made more efficient with less bulk, lighter”.
Full frame is more than just depth of field – it is also image quality when stopped down and the degree of sensor light sensitivity along with dynamic range. The differences in IQ are small, but noticeable, and more discernible when printed in larger formats.
It would cost me about $10,000 to “upgrade” to full frame with four primes (Rokinon 14mm, Batis 25, Sony 55, Batis 85), and two zooms (16-35 and 70-200) and an A7ii + good native walk around lens or an A7Rii body.
That contrasts with about $2500 to acquire an A6000 with similar equivalent focal length primes (equivalent in length, not quality!) and the bordering-on-lame 55-210 native telephoto.
These are two very different kits in terms of price point and size. If you look at the market that way, then Sony should have offerings for whole systems $5K (full frame). They are different markets, although the business person in me realizes that there is more profit in the whole system >$5K market.
In some cases, the image quality will be much better (i.e. A7Rii+70-200 vs. A6000+55-210) and in other instances, image quality will be somewhat better depending on the conditions (i.e. A7Rii+16-35 vs. A6000+Rokinon 12mm in a subject that doesn’t expose chromatic aberrations of the Rokinon).
I think it is mistaken to think there is one solution that has great image quality, very compact system size, and low price. Pick the right two, and then you’re being more realistic.
I got rid of the 55-210 because it has a too short focal length for telephoto and not enough bright unless you shoot with sun in your back 😀 ( i comfess i exagerate a bit but not so much, it ‘s a tie with SEL1650 pancake)
Medium Format Mirrorless is the future..but I somewhat agree with your sentiments.
“I want to see some high-end APS-C built to the same standard as these Full Frame cameras”
D7200
7DII
A77II
K3II
XT1
I think we’re already there.
And now for E-mount
You seem mad at full frame but why? If you like crop frame then shoot crop. I don’t see APSC being phased out any time soon.
Each has their uses. I have both but prefer full frame most of the time even if I’m stopping the lens down. The aspect ratio just seems more natural for portraits (using 85mm instead of coming in closer with a 50mm on crop).
Aspect ratio? Aspect ratio of FF and APS-C is the same: 3:2.
You mean perspective? You can get the same angle of view on APS-C. You just need a shorter FL lens… which can be made at lower cost and at smaller size than a FF equivalent.
I’m mad at full-frame because Sony is focusing on FF but I want APS-C lenses and IBIS in a compact body. Of course, what I want is what’s really important.
Yes I meant to say perspective.
If you stand a comfortable distance from a person to shoot a headshot with a full frame + 85mm lens the perspective will be different from that if shooting the same composed headshot with a Crop frame + 50mm lens.
There will be some distortion with 50mm, granted it’s not the end of the world but it is noticeable. The subject to background is also a bit different (more compression with full frame equivalent)
Once you get into longer focal length the difference in perspective is very minimal but you still can get a better bokeh with full frame and long glass. So if you are interested in compression and bokeh then full frame is better, if you like everything to be in focus and using the better part of the lens , then crop frame is for you.
Have a look at Fuji-lens-lineup for APS-C and you see you can get with APS-C the same as with FF (semi-pro):
Fujifilm XF 60mm/2.4 macro ~~ 90mm/3.6 macro
Fujifilm XF 56mm/1.2 ~~ 85mm/1.8 FF
Fujifilm XF 35mm/1.4 ~~ 50mm/2.1 FF
Fujifilm XF 27mm/2.8 ~~ 40mm/4 FF
Fujifilm XF 23mm/1.4 ~~ 35mm/2.1 FF
XF50-140mm/2.8 ~~ 70-200mm/4 FF(more or less)
All this weird numbers for focal length are aimed to match a typical FF-equivalent focal length. And the equivalent apertures are similar to the “semi-pro” FF lenses. I think Fuji did this for people that think like you, Tom_Tom.
For an amateur like me it does not play any role if my portait-lens is a exact 85mm, or 75 or 90 or 100mm. And I don’t understand why people want a macro-lens to be 90mm and not 85 or 100.
But well – it seems to be a standard and photographers tend to spend more money if this standard is matched exactly.
At least Fuji’s lens lineup shows, that Fuji is completely commited to APS-C and has no plans to release a FF-mirrorless.
Still though even if technically they translate to an equivalent focal length, in actual use they are still different in perspective (you are using a wider lens at a closer distance to try and achieve the same results) . Re read what I stated above, it’s not about an exact mm specification, it’s relative distance perspective.
Side note: Is the difference going to make or break a shot? most likely not., but some people want a more natural perspective, subject distance and bokeh. There is no sense in trying to convince a FF shooter to go back to crop frame if they like FF. I have yet to meet one that regressed to APSC for a primary camera.
The same equivalent focal length + same equivalent aperture gives you the same perspective:
You have the same distance to your photographed object.
You have the same Field of View.
And your photographed object has the same size on the picture.
And you have the same Depth of Field.
You can go down with ISO for 1 stop in order to have the same exposure, so an APS-C sensor gives you a similar noise level as an FF sensor.
=> you get the same image
The only remaining advantage of FF is that you easily can get a 85mm f1.4 for FF whereas a 50mm/f1.0 equivalent has likely more optical problems. That’s why I said, the semi-pro FF equivalent is no problem. But I agree the pro FF (70-200 f2.8 and the like) equivalent can be a problem.
Your first error is the first point.
“You have the same distance to your photographed object.”
It just isn’t , with crop frame you are physically closer to achieve the same composer with portraits. Have you tried it? Just try with both and report back.
Part of my original point was that bokeh is a gimmick.
So you are admitting that the image is different? You just said in the previous post that you get the same image, but distortion plus bokeh,, that is a different image. So what is it? > the image is different or bonkeh is a gimmick, both points seem kind of weak.
Someone has a very short memory.
Bokeh is a gimmick. Blurry images are basic, effortless garbage with rare exceptions.
Of course you could achieve the same result on APS-C with a sufficiently wide aperture but why would I want to imitate garbage?
Little Cam is absolutely correct.
I have also explained it to you and given you an actual example with actual lense and actual settings that I use.
You are absolutely correct.
I have also explained it to him, maybe hearing it from 2 people will help him understand better.
Aparently yo do not fully understand what little cam is telling yoy..he is correct.
When accounting for the crop factor of 1.5 I will use 90mm macro ff as an example
At a set distance, lets say 24″
Putting a 90mm macro at f3.8 on a full frame
Will result in exactly the same image as
60mm f2.0 on an apsc.
Same perspective, but the depth of field on the crop sensor is greater by about the equivelent of a 1 f stop differrence.
I chose this example becase Tamro actually makes an excellent 60mm f2 fpr apsc cameras.
So the crop sensor allows greater depth of field wich is quite imprtant in macro, and of course since the max magnification on both lenses is 1/1 when focuse to thier repective minimum focus distances the crop sensor will appear to provide more manification.
In actuality I would typically shoot at much smaller apertures than the examples I used.
..about that difference in perspective:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/2666934640/what-is-equivalence-and-why-should-i-care
i think you should switch to fuji, they are terrific
what is more frustrating is to buy most of the time FE lenses if you want a better image than with APS-C lenses because Lenses makers R&D focus on FF lenses too.
I somehow agree with you on the obsession with shooting wide open at all times. Way too many people think that since their camera can open up to 1.4, they *must* shoot at 1.4 all the time. I use the Sigma Art 35mm 1.4 for most of my work, and the only time I open it up all the way to 1.4 is at night, when I truly need it. But, I guess, it’s a matter of personal preference. Some people love that look, some don’t. Some use it beautifully, some totally suck at it. A lot the times, I see it as a smart-ass way to hide lack of compositional skills and force the eye of the viewer on the only 2mm of depth of field actually in focus.
As for NatGeo award winning photographers, you can tell a lot them pick 28mm/35mm lenses or equivalent zooms, layer the hell out of a scene, and shoot with a good depth of field most of the times, unless needed. (just to name one, John Stanmeyer World Press Photo winning image, originally published on NatGeo, was shot at 1.4 at 10.000 iso at night).
As for aps-c, I don’t understand the hate towards full frame. They’re both available, just pick the one you like the most. There are some amazing aps-c sensors out there, and even better full frame sensors. The “survival” of one is not linked to the “death” of the other. For decades we’ve had so many different sizes for film negative, why should we want less options for digital sensors than what we have today?
Full frame is a gimmick? The 135 form factor has been the standard for 65+ years.
The only reason why it is a standard for 65 years was, that you could use film made in high volumes for movies. I don’t believe that people 65 years ago did some math of what is best for today’s digital cameras.
But FF is good – especially if you shoot Canon or Nikon because there are tons of lenses made for the film era that you can use now.
Well you agree that it is a standard and not a gimmick as was erroneously suggested originally, which is obviously complete BS.
As for the 135 format somehow being related to motion picture film production – this is also false. The ratios and sizes are different. 16mm film is 4×3 and 35mm was produced in a variety of image ratios and sizes (based on orientation of the image and sprocket holes). The emulsions themselves were rarely the same either.
I had to specially order motion picture film stocks cut to 135 format for film cameras many years ago to perform inexpensive film stock testing and then ship it to a special lab for development. They could not be processed by a standard still film developer.
Actually, Christopher is right. I used to work as a loader for a while in the old film days, and while you’re right regarding 16mm, 35mm was indeed the same kind of size and format as in 135. Same number of perforations, same sprocket holes distance. The only big differences were obviously the orientation inside the cameras (vertical for motion picture, horizontal for still cameras), the quality of it (motion picture film is absolutely amazing), the need for a motion picture film lab to develop it, and the fact that you had to make your own rolls yourself (by using “short ends”).
Thanks for the clarifications.
All true. I have to use f8 on my A7RII where I was using f5.6 on NEX7.
I really don’t see the point of thin DOF on FF. APS-C DOF can be too thin.
APS-C lenses are smaller and the IQ is the same compared to FF lenses.
My Sigma 60mm 2.8 is just as sharp as Sony FE 55mm 1.8 for 1/3 of the price.
Waiting fot A7000 but also for 16/1.8 Zeiss prime, Sony APS-C does not offer good WA prime yet, 16/2.8 is very poor performer wide open. 16/1.8 with 24/1.8 and 55/1.8 would make amazing set, killing Fuji.
So when will we see the A9 FE mount pro camera and does anyone other than me desire a body larger than the A7 series which is weather sealed, dual slots etc etc?
I’ll be happy with the A6xxx if they just add 4K.
IBIS and BSI are mandatory like leveling gauge
Features I want to see, orderd to its importance:
1. IBIS
2. ultra fast AF
3. IBIS
4. fast AF with adapted lenses
5. IBIS
6. high frame rate + big buffer size
7. IBIS
8. 4K + slowmo FullHD
9. IBIS
10. touchscreen
BSI is not a feature – it’s just a techincal solution to achieve a feature like high fps, 4K or better ISO.
and leveling gauge too :p
okay – I put it on 12…
guess what’s on 11 ^^
BSI
IBIS
S-log 2/3 !!
slowmo FullHD
level gauge
better built
better EVF,
..as an a7000 for 1000$
dreamin’
I don’t really need IBIS, i mainly take pictures of people who won’t stand still, so a shutter speed of 1/60th of a second is sort of my minimum. IBIS or OIS doesn’t really help unless you’re trying to get around 1/30th of a second or slower.
BSI would be nice to have for sure, but it’s not a deal breaker for me. I have an A6000 right now, i think high ISO looks great for an APS_C camera.
But really, the only thing i need to see in order to upgrade is 4k video. That’s all i really need, the rest are simply “nice to have”.
Given the latest trends, they will add $4K.
Where is my Mamiya rangefinder MF mirrorless Sony. Come on already.
We already moarn about the lack of native E-mount lenses that are capable of AF. Now it gets slowly aceptable – don’t want to restart again^^
Maybe they should test the market with a RX9 Medium format.
Phase One is the majority shareholder of Mamiya and PhaseOne just introduced a new camera so I don’t think that’s happening anytime soon.
Just imagine for a moment…a Mamiya 7 version of the A7SII. IMAGINE!!!!
an heavy spy cam or a 90s camcorder alike !!! I dont think about modern MF digital camera for anything else but studio photography or portraiture because it s not a discrete camera…. What would you do with a MF A7SII except shooting $ex tape in the dark 😀 😀
I bet there’s a big market for that type of shooting.
I’ve been tempted by the medium format film Voighlanders for a while… a digital medium format fixed lens even would be nice…
Oh I agree with you, don’t get me wrong, it’s just not likely given who now makes Mamiya’s decisions.
One of mirrorless cameras most appealing selling points vs dslrs is a reduction in size/weight..may I ask you why you’d love a bigger camera?
Totally agree with you on weather sealing, and even though I’ve never felt the need for dual slots, I can see why some people would love those (personally, I primarily use a 5D III, and I only use one slot).
Handling and controls. I have big hands and would definitely prefer something larger, more rugged, with bigger batteries, better grip and controls.
Bring it on.
Why not a Dslr then?
I use DSLR’s. I’d like a decent sized mirrorless with the advantages mirrorless brings, along with the attributes I mentioned in my previous post, which I currently get only from DSLR’s. The Sony A7 series with grip are too big, and still need more battery.
SLR was invented for film. As much as I loved OVF’s, they are not the future with digital sensors.
Anyway, perhaps it’s just a dream. 😉
The battery problem will be solved when they start making better batteries 🙂 If I understand your “dream” correctly, what you’re asking is really a minimal increase in size, just a few millimeters really, something in between the actual A7 and the A7 with battery grip, still a lot thinner than a dslr. I hear you. That might give a marginal increase in battery size, and perhaps a little more space to have more solid buttons/controls. We’ll see what happens with the next iteration of A7, next year (?)
probably just be another a7r. presenting the a7rMK2v2
i would rather predict a A7III OR an instant digital camera 😀 called A6-640 to challenge IMPOSSIBLE company while Canikon is not there :p….
Remember the statistics said the Digital camera market is collapsing contrary to the smartphone or action camera market ( maybe because the digital camera are too expensive for most of users). Therefore a instant digital camera would be a great opportunity to create a new buzz and catch a part of point and shoot camera ( aka smartphone) users 😉
I don’t think Sony will release A6xxx for Xmas period as i planned to buy the new Pixel C tablet for Xmas after Sony delayed Sony A6xxx for the second time 😉
But maybe Sony want to put me to the test 😉 by forcing me to choose between the tablet and its new APS-C camera for Xmas !!!!
They don’t delay it. There was never Sony announcement about new E mount crop only fantasy
I need a body that is sealed to water and dust. I know the APS-C lenses are not sealed but at least one problem would be solved.
There is Olympus and Fuji that claim all weather capability. Sony never made decent protection though I don’t believe anything is much better than a6000 if you take care of it.
Absolutely on my wish list. I do very physical hikes and have had issues with the control wheel on top becoming unresponsive due to being sweat on.
True, that’s why many people that don’t care about image quality use smart phones.
I stopped waiting for NEX 7 successor and bought A7RII.
Wow, that’s quite a jump from anything a Nex 7 successor will be. I am sure it is awesome, I would like to have one. I know that it would add quite a bit more weight to my 10-15 mile hikes though….
It’s not much heavier, I don’t feel the difference. I carry the camera bag everywhere I go (Lowepro AW170).
Sometimes I carry just A7RII and FE55 1.8 in Lowepro Adventura 120.
To be honest I don’t see any advantage over NEX 7, other than better high ISO.
If NEX-7 successor gets better high ISO sensor there is no reason to go with FF A7RII.
That being said, I must admit that shooting ISO 3200 and getting really great pictures is awesome. ISO 400 and 800 are like ISO 200 on NEX 7.
I looked at the 170 bag on Amazon, it looks to be about twice the size of the little bag I carry on my hikes. I could probably deal with that but a review says it has narrow straps that become uncomfortable after awhile and plastic d rings. Both of those things concern me as as I say I move around a lot, sometimes mix in some trail running on the way out of wherever I am at. How do you think it would hold up in that scenario?
I would use a rack sack of a kind. Check the size of Lowepro Adventura 120, it is, really small. A7RII is not much bigger than NEX7.
You can carry A7RII the same way you would carry NEX7 or A6000.
Thanks, I’ll check it out. I find the bag I have now (I got the shop to throw it in when I bought my A6000) is great for what I use it for but it is just about wore out from use.
STOOOOOOPID…EVEN Sony put out a newsletter saying there would be NO MORE NEX. WHAT A FAILURE YOU ARE!
I don’t know. Only if it can help me take winning photos like this.
Are you forgetting the Zeiss Touit 12mm? Not perfect, but now it’s cheaper it’s worth considering.
12mm is super wide, too wide. 16mm (24mm FF equivalent) is perfect WA lens.
A7000 will probably have
4K plus higher fps for HD
Improved Viewfinder
Swivel Screen (no touch)
28mp BSI
Improved body and better Flash
Wifi (Android may be)
Improved low light shooting(i.e. higher iso)
I want a battery grip that houses 3 FW50. No sled, but 3 slots, opened at the back. Ordered parallel.
And yes – having a 4th FW50 remainig as a last reserve battery in the body.
New a6xxx
42mp apsc bsi rgbw pixel array
Fastest AF and tracking
Same iso, dynamic range as a7rii
12 fps burst speed
Bigger batter
IBIS
PDAF compatable
New laea5 and laea6
Universal 1.4x teleconverter, E mount
300-600mm f4.8, 5, or 5.6 lens with 150mm barrel extender for close up/macro focus and drop in dedicated 1.8x tc…price mid $3000 range.
A9000
78mp ff.
Interesting. Wish list? Speculation? I don’t see the bigger battery but love the universal teleconverter.
Ignore him. He’s gone to Lala land. Again.
New sensor tech…see reply to E. J. Peiker
Suddenly pixels that are 2.25 times smaller in area than those on the a7R II are going to have the same dynamic range as the a7R II???? Fantasyland again 😉
I understand why you might want a new LA-EA6 to repalce the 4 but I don’t undestand why you need an LA-EA3 replacement.
LA-EA3 replacement? Screw-drive AF, I guess
Yes
That is correct..
The new rgbw pixel array will improve iso and dynamic range sufficiently to compensate for the smaller pixel size.
Sony has 2 differrent rgbw patents.
One patent is very similar to current bayer sensor but utilizes a white pixel rather than the second green pixel
The rgb pixels collect color data and the white pixel provides 3x the sensitivity and increased dynamic range.
A new processing algorithm eliminates the problems that other rgbw pixel attempts have encountered and interpolates these 4 colors into an image…demosaicing..
A second more ambitios patent is for a 4 layer 3d pd array
Bayer color layer
1st PD pixel layer
White pixel layer
2nd PD pixel layer
Being a more complex sensor this one will take longer to develope and perfect, but the 3D pd pixel array should result in autofocus performance exceeding anything we have ever seen.
The white pixels..as in the other patent…should increase sensetivity and dynamic range, but probably not as dramatically as in the first patent.
Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. Changing the from RGB to RGBW doesn’t magically make the pixels 2.25 times as efficient at collecting light. You are once again illustrating in your comments your lack of understanding of how sensors and semiconductor technology work. Just because this is what you would like, does not make it something that will happen. I presume you have been having conversations Sony Sr company officials again….
The rgb pixel are normal
The w pixel lacks a color filter therefore recieves about 3x the light of the color pixels.
Resulting in 3x the sensetivity and greater dynamic range then the nearby color pixels, but no color information.
The processor not interpolates each group of 4 pixes utilizing the color info from the rgb, and the dynamic range/light intensity info from the w to record a color pixel.
This is repeated a total of 4x from 4 differrent pixel locations to create the entire image.
The process is similar to demosaicing but utilizes the w pixel instead of the second g pixel in conventional bayer.
The increased sensitivity …after processing ..is indeed aproximately a factor of 3x plus additional dynamic range.
Since the pixel size of a 42mp ff is 2.25 x the pixel size of the crop sensor version, the new sensor on apsc shoud apprximately match the performance of the older sensor on ff.
That is the reason this new sensor was developed.
Look at the patent …clearly you are not understanding the new technology and are basing your comments on assumptions based on your lack of understanding, not mine.
if you were right this camera would be a wonder machine.
Essentially a A7R II in a smaller body with better fps (how do they get this amount oft data out of the sensor so quick)
also why would they sell such a thing that is essentially a cheaper and better version of their flagship.
I agree with you the RGBW technology looks promissing and will be the future but I doubt we’ll see it in a camera so soon (reminder it was supposed to be announced around the same thime the A7RII and RX100Iv came out)
Generally …though some may argue…a smaller sensor with the same pixel count will read out faster.
I am hoping that combined with faster processing will result in improved burst rate.
I do not know if this next a6xxx or a later apscwill incorparate on of thes new technolovies.
As for this being the future..mayby short term, but I believe that the Quanta sensor will be ready for use in about 10 years…it will also rely on much much faster processing with less heat than any current processors…but hopefully Quantum processors will be available.
If quantom state diferences..necessary for quantum processing…can also be incorporated into jots, then alternate guantum states may be detectable for each photon, thereby eliminating color filters.
This I believe is the long term future ovf the sensor..a ff sensor would have
Over a billion jots
Readcout hundreds of thousands of times /second
Detect and count every photon
Ultimate resolution
Uldimate speed
Ultimate dynamic range
And it will generate terabytes/second of data.
Why would Sony want to produce a cheaper apsc for less than the ff?
The percentage of good sensors on a smaller chip is far higher that on a larger chip.
Not only will more sensors fit on a wafer but amuch higher percentage of them will be usable.
The cost per sensor for apsc is far lower than full frame.
So although the price per unit will be less the profit will not be less, and the unit numbers sold will be greater.
So are the two techs compatible? Could you use them both for a 6 times gain in sensitivity?
It is one or the other…they cannot be compined to produce 6x the sensetivity since thy both obtain thier sensetivity gains by introducing a white pixel.
You’re having way too much fun pulling specs out of thin air, and finding imaginary ways for technology to allow them. Needs more sarcasm / humor-trolling training experience.
BTW, the dead giveaway? “Bigger battery”. You ruined the whole thing right there.
The bigger battery is what I want, not a prediction.
The sensor data is legit …read up on it yourself..
I have edited the comment to make it easier to follow.
I have seperated the items into what I think may be imminent and things I would like to see , as it seems putting them all together confused you.
As it seems, my sarcasm does no good on the internet among strangers. 🙁
A7rII + newly introduced Sony 24-85mm f2.8
lens declared by all as the undisputed highest IQ zoom ever made;
“prime-like IQ in a zoom lens”
(I’d pay up to $2K for that lens)
Meh…
Give me a FF NEX-7 and I’ll jump for joy.
It’s called the A7 / A7 II. Dirt cheap and lightest FF you’ll EVER see; they’re only getting bigger and heavier at this point due to the heat problems with 4K.
A6000 better than A7:
-double fps
-way better AF-speed
-built in popup-flash
-smaller size
A7 better than A6000:
-it’s FF
The A6000 is not an NEX-7, though. 😉
I’ll admit, Sony has yet to produce as killer of a sports camera in the FF line as the A6000 in the APS-C line.
But then again considering the impressive quality the latest 24 MP sensors have been turning out, (even newer than the A6000 sensor, see the Nikon D7200 and D5500) …plus the “advantage” of the crop factor for telephoto action, I don’t see why you wouldn’t just buy an A6000 / A6xxx anyways, for when you really need the FPS and/or the reach. Any serious sports shooter should have two cameras anways, what is with this obsession with having the ultimate camera that can do EVERYTHING even better than a more specialized option?
Where is my A99 II announcment you talked about mid Oktober ?
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LOL? What are the other mounts and sizes? (unless you mean video cameras)
A new lens camera, because those are innovative and we are really waiting for it
But, but, no weather sealing? It’s gonna hafta top the image quality of Nikon’s latest 24 MP DX chips if it really wants to turn heads. Currently the D7200 is a DR champ and the D5500 is an ISO champ…
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You can call it what you want. I still think of it as a wide angle lens.
As for perfect, that’s a matter of opinion. 😉
Just pick up an A7 and a 25mm Batis, and never look back…
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