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Another anonymous source claims to know more about the A7000. As usual as long as this doesn’t come from trusted sources I would keep that kind of info with a grain of salt. Nevertheless it happened in the past that such kind of anonymous rumors were correct. And I am 100% sure there is a VERY BIG Sony announcement in January. So let’s hear what the source claims to know:
“I have a somewhat details about the a7000 coming at CES.
256 phase detect and 125 contrast detect points
Next 6 viewfinder
Tri Nav
Sensor will be engineered for high sensitivity
Touch screen
Zeiss lens 16-70 which you already know is weathersealed, but it will be 20% shorter, and sport a wider body. Best in class sharpness and micro contrast.
Camera body will be $699 USD, Zeiss lens to retail for $1199”
The other specs I got before also said the A7000 has full tethering capability, records 4K and has a 1/8000 shutter. If true (big “IF”) I would surprised to hear that Sony uses the NEX-6 and not the A6000 or another new viewfinder. Also the price would be terrific. Only $50 more expensive than the current A6000 price! It would certainly sell like hotcakes with that price!
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Quote “Camera body will be $699 USD”. / Unquote
This would be too good to be true.
Wait, January announcements were supposed to be A-Mount
Didn’t you know? 2015 is going to be the year of the A-Mount.
How do you know it doesn’t have A mount?
A7000 is a mirrorless camera
No A7000 is just a name at this moment so we have no idea what it will cover if ever it gets released.
But logically you would expect it to be a higher / better version of the A6000.
Tri-nav and touchscreen, the two things that get asked for a lot here, that and the rest of the rumored spec means it’s just wishful thinking.
Sounds slightly unrealistic for that price, I guess more around 800-1000$. But I’m very open for agressive Sony pricing, the right moment to steal the already decreasing DSLR lots of sales. With those specs and weathersealing it would be the absolute killer APS-C camera and it sounds like a truely worthy upgrade to the 2011 NEX-7.
The Zeiss 16-70 update rumor also makes more sense now with a new lens body.
Decreasing DSLR sales has nothing to do with decreasing numbers of people buying DSLR’s or people drifting to other technology! DSLR’s have reached a technological threshold that people don’t really need to upgrade as quickly. I still see professional photographers using Nikon D700’s…. If people aren’t upgrading as quickly…and cameras are lasting longer….then this reduces the amount of DSLR sales…!
The D700 is a 6 year old camera, however the decrease in DSLR sales is very recent. So, when precisely did we achieve that “technological threshold”?
The D700 is used by numerous photographers from National Geographic…so if it is still good enough for them…then it still good enough for most people.
If i bought a camera 6 years ago…and camera companies would like us to buy a new camera every 2-3 years…but when that time comes around and i look at the alternatives…and i don’t see any improvements i actually NEED…then i won’t buy one…
And that is what is happening with a lot of people…
If you believe that the decrease in DSLR sales is due to people switching to mirrorless…then why doesn’t the increase in mirrorless sales equal the loss of DSLR sales?!
It is camera sales in general that are declining…not just DSLR sales!
Have a look at the hard facts first…!
I think that more has to do with Nat geo paying like crap.
Mirrorless sales doubled in the last year according to CIPA data. Mirrorless alone is projected to own 25% of all camera sales in 3-4 years.
What hard facts? And how does that answer my question?
No way in hell it will be $699.
Just before the last A7000 rumor I noticed there was an A7000 wish thread on dpreview and now another A7000 rumor with the most asked for feature in the last rumor, a touchscreen. I doubt these rumors and think it’s as credible as the A88.
Um Contrast detect points? That’s not how CDAF works; the sensor is just the sensor. Makes me suspicious
Totally FEAK
“256 phase detect and 125 contrast detect points”
so a new sensor design? the numbers seem odd, less than 50% PD and 5 times C than a6000
“Next 6 viewfinder”
beacause they desgined a new one for the a6000 and they will bring back the nex 6, not the nex 7 one
“Tri Nav”
you wish
“Sensor will be engineered for high sensitivity”
lol thats the one thats make it laughable, “will be engineered”, yeah, because sony will be engineer a new sensor just a month before they announce the camera lol
“Touch screen”
what Tri Nav and touchscreen? make your mind, either old system or new touch system, can have both
“Zeiss lens 16-70 which you already know is weathersealed, but it
will be 20% shorter, and sport a wider body. Best in class sharpness
and micro contrast”
shorter and better sharpness and micro contrast, sure, because thats how optic physics work
“Camera body will be $699 USD, Zeiss lens to retail for $1199”
yeah rigth, and i know for sure they will sell both as a promotion for $1499 when released lol
Any news on the monochrome camera? Samsung is rumored to release one.
I don’t think there would be a big market for that. And the Sony color sensors already produce excellent B&W results, even the Leica monochrome is just slighty better than an A7 but can’t beat the A7s in terms of dynamic range (that’s what you need for monochrome)
I use a Leica MM, what you claim about A series vs Leica MM isn’t true.
MM has exceptional resolution due to the lack of Bayer interpolation.
Surely any new high end body would have XAVC codec for video, as it has been available for some time on A5100 and RX10. If the “leak” doesn’t mention that, I would be suspicious.
To be fair, codecs and stuff are very much firmware, so wouldn’t be the first thing on the mind of a designer. These can be added toards the very end of, or even after, finishing the design.
Wasn’t the XAVCS codec added to the RX-10 in a firmware update post release?
It could only be added in firmware if the hardware can handle it. It make no sense leaving the A5100 better specced than the A6000 (both current models) unless there is some new architecture in the A5100 that makes it possible. Currently I don’t want to buy either camera mainly because both cameras fall short of what is obviously achievable with a minor update of the A6000
Also 4K internal sounds wishful thinking, from an overheating point of view, unless the body is bigger or it has a completely new processor. 4k output – like the A7S? I could believe that.
maybe some new sensor tech will improve the heat problem.
BionzX allready can do 4K internal encoding (see AX100). Only piece of the “mystical interal 4K recording puzzle from Sony” missing is writing it to the SDCard. After NX1 nobody believes Sony keeps internal 4K from us because of the heat – it’s obvious they do it for market seperation – something Panasonic and Samsung don’t have to worry about. And if heat is the true reason, then Sony has to step up their heatsink game to Samsungs level.
As a Nex7 user, the over heating is very real. You are correct that Sony needs to step up their heatsink game.
Electronics are getting faster and cooler all the time – so yes, at some point this will be solved, but seriously, they would have put 4K internal in the A7S if they could. There is no real competition in the full frame market. Samsung and Panasonic do internal 4K but with a smaller sensors and larger bodies. OK the APS-C sensor probably uses less power than full frame, so maybe internal 4K will come to the “NEX” form factor first. Sony are not like Canon – worrying about DSLRs taking sales from C100 sales – otherwise why are they rolling out XAVC in all new cameras?
Is there such a thing as contrast detect point? Never heard of it
maybe something like Canons dual pixel AF… Would be great if Sony could combined that technology with an improved on sensors PDAF system to really compete with DSLR regarding AF speed and tracking in low light. That’s what I really expect from Sony in 2015 and I will wait with my next camera purchase until they achieved that last cream on the cake to make the DSLR completely obsolete.
If you think that E-mount will make the DSLR completely obsolete…then you are a delusional entry-level amateur that is just chasing gadgets…
Sony cannot compete with Canon or Nikon DSLR focus tracking in ANY of it’s camera’s…what makes you so sure that they can do it with their mirrorless cameras…?
If anyone can improve autofocusing beyond DSLR capability…it will be the companies that are ruling the autofocusing WITH DLRS’s…and that is Nikon and Canon!
So much agression and nonsense.
Maybe not for stills right now (although the A6000 is pretty amazing). Video tracking on mirrorless is phenominal, you don’t even get tracking with Canon camera (other than the 2 with Dual Pixel, which isn’t that good imo.)
Give it another year or 2, at the rate theyre going. Tracking will easily be just as good.
Contrast detect already performs faster and more accurate than phase detect. Phase detect only performs marginally better with moving objects.
nope, there is no such thing. people often don’t understand that “contrast detect points” are just a mean of logical dividing the sensor area so that the user could easily select a region where the AF operates. so from physical perspective there’s not difference between 25 and 125 “contrast detect points”. if there’s no touchscreen, it’s uncomfortable to select the areas when there are too many of them, so no-touchscreen cameras use safe 25, with touchscreen the limitation can be lifted.
Weathersealing…all-metal mount instead of the terrible plastic plastic/metal mount that all of the E-mount camera’s have (except the A7s)…and i may consider it…
And still no mention on any A-mount lol!!!?? This abandonment of a whole camera system will happen to E-mount customers somewhere along the line….be warned!
Yeah and Canon abandoned FD mount, Leica abandoned R-mount, Olympus abandoned 4/3 mount , Pentax abandoned K-mount and Kodak abandoned Film
There will be the annual Armageddon anyways like every year before Christmas, so what…
Go away, Troll
The guy isn’t trolling over the point of dropping A-mount
He makes a very fair point that if Sony will ‘do it to A-mount users’ then they will happily ‘do it to E-mount users’ at some point in the (maybe not too distant) future
The E-mount FE lenses are mostly very, very expensive and this is something to consider before ‘investing’ in them
If this rumoured camera is released, however, then it will go some way to re-assuring APS-C E-mount users that at least they aren’t being abandoned
“if Sony will ‘do it to A-mount users’ then they will happily ‘do it to E-mount users’ at some point in the future”. If, maybe, doom. If the humanity continues this way, maybe the sky will fall.
Perhaps a problem of my using the ‘conditional’ almost in the subjunctive form…
So let’s be a bit more precise: at the moment Sony *are* doing ‘it’ to A-mount users, so they will *certainly* do ‘it’ to E-mount users in the future
Rather like seeing the behaviour of an abusive partner in a relationship – new partners can’t expect to be treated any different in the future
You changed your conditional with an assumption. Sony actually has been updating a-mount lenses and releasing a-mount bodies.
Olympus are struggling…
Only the rich and stupid buy Leica…
Canon abandoned the FD mount…and lost a lot of customers because of this. The only reason this didn’t affect the outcome of Canon becoming the biggest camera company in the world is only because they didn’t have that many customers to lose anyway…
If Sony want to encourage the doubters to join them…then they need to be decisive about the A-mount now…rather than leaving people in limbo.
I am a Nikon user…so the future of the A-mount has no bearing on my gear at all…but i would not invest in a company or it’s products when they are just ignoring a large proportion of them while they are focusing on their new toy…the E mount!
What doubters? A few whiners on a forum, who won’t be satisfied by anything Sony does or says?
Seems like it doesn’t take much now to start mass hysteria, A-mount is dead and everyone will get Ebola. And a comet will hit the earth destroying all life, etc. etc. It only takes one moron to start rumors like this and the weak minded monkeys all join in adding to the gloom and doom.
oh come one, A-mount is outdated. Great lenses, good bodies but not ready for video and the bodies are too big for the future. E-mount is going to overtake it and that’s already happening. A-mount will see some new bodies and a few lens updates, that’s it. Doesn’t mean there is no support for the coming 5-10 years. You don’t have to jump ship to Canon now, their DSLR will also end in 5-10 years, maybe earlier.
Dear admin, any rumors about a faster AF E-mount FF body ? Thanks
Lol, someone’s wishlist again. Of course, if you predict that many features, some of it will be true.
Give E-mount a compact high-quality APS C telephoto already.
Yes! A high quality APSC 55-300 4-5.6 G would be awesome!
Something like that. Actually I wouldn’t mind if it started at 100 or 150 because there are so many cheap high quality good sub 100mm legacy lenses. Its kinda depressing how even lenses from fixed lens superzooms like FZ1000 is WAY better than the SEL55210.
Is that Pany lens realy? Did you try it on a A6000? Rumors are that it will show terrible vignetting and even then very bad corners where there is still some light. 🙂 and remember the lens is in real a 9.1-146mm zoom with a very small immage circle.
I want a collapsible pancake 16-400mm f1.2 constant super zoom that is sharp, but still keeps the camera pocketable. I’m willing to pay around $150. Come on Sony!! I’m getting tired of waiting.
Sony Hulk smash A-Mount!
Don’t worry fanboys, Sony will find a way to make even the most promising camera to suck with some major drawbacks. It’s guaranteed.
And hope you like the current APS-C E-mount lineup as that’s all you’re going to get. Muhahahahahahaha!!!
What major drawbacks does the A6000 have? What camera has comparable performance in its price range? None, matter of fact it easily out classes any of the M43 cameras and most of the APS-C cameras. The A7000 will be even better, causing more body and sensor envy than ever before. Fun wow.
how does it outclass M43? Please explain. I’m not disagreeing but have you shot them back to back?
Lol, like that can’t be said for every single company out there.
one bad point 😉 viewfinder like a6000, could be like a7 o better, can help you a lot, in that position.
“Camera body will be $699 USD”
Maybe Admin should just rate this as SR0… 🙂
699 would kill the competition. It would wipe the floor with it…dead bodies everywhere.
If it comes with a shitty viewfinder from a6000 I will not buy it and I will switch to other camera maker. My NEX7 is about to give up, I don’t want full frame with shutter vibrations nor thin DOF. I like to have all people in photo in the focus. So APS-C is better for me.
Sensor will be engineered for high sensitivity
Ok but with 24mgpix it is not possible to make 7s . I wonder how much more iso we get ?
I hope to get s-log ( native 2000) , good video codec , and much more …..dreams
The viewfinder will be from the A77 Mark II.
Admin, I also have some info of the upcoming A8000 :
512 phase detect and 257 contrast detect points
1920*1200 OLED T* viewfinder
Tri Navi + Mode Dail
Sensor will be engineered for higher sensitivity, too, of course.
Touch screen? no way, never a touch screen with EVF
Zeiss lens 16-70 Mark III, waterproof to 10m, 50% longer, 67mm filter size. Best of the best.
Camera body will be $849 USD, Zeiss lens to retail for $1499”
lol what about A9000 ?
it is easy it has the firs 1K Phase Detec AF points! And it will have 512 CDAF points. The EVF will be a full 4K screen with ultra fast update times. It will have tri navi, a dedicated mode and exposure compensation dial. it will come with the new side iluminated 100MP folded APS sensor (very special). i will focus and take pictures at 1/100 sec in total dark, without any noise (f3.5 is enough for that) It will come in a complete metal body. the camera will be small like the RX100 (thanks to the folded sensor technology) and can be blown up to the size of a 5DmIII when you are using large lenses. Price: this beauty can be yours for the price of $999,99 at introduction. It will come with the new Zeiss 8-600mm f1.8 pancake zoomlens that is totaly weather sealed (lens will go for about $450 when you buy it without camera).
And yes this is an SR -10 rumor 🙂
A7000 does not mean this camera would be a NEX-7 replacement any more than the A5000 was a NEX-5 replacement
This camera (if it appears) could actually be an A6000 replacement, which would make more sense at the quoted price (no comments from the ‘source’ about the body being metal or composite). Touchscreen and Tri-Nav would be welcome upgrades if they appear, as would a re-appearance of the digital level
A more compact 16-70 would be great, but the price is :-O. If this part of the rumour is true then Sony really need to release a ‘mid-price’ zoom for around $500 or $600 for those who want something better than the Kit but can’t afford the Zeiss
They did. It is in the 18-105 f/4.
I also think that the price is too close for a body that is one level up from the 6000, assuming this is the case. The 6000 works well for me. I agree that the digital level should never have been removed. However, the Tri-Navi interface seems redundant, especially with all the customization that is allowed on the 6000.
I wonder how the Samsung NX1 (BSI APS-C) sensor will fare with the competition? That looks like the perfect camera that most have been asking for.
Well not realy. It has features many people want, but the camera is very ecxpensive (compared to the A6000 and even to the A7) and it is very large. Why buy a mirrorless when you can get a camera with teh same features for less in a DSLR?
I think everyone here knows about the 18-105 f/4. The guy was talking about a midrange 16-70.
More and more …non sony lens manucacturers are refusing to build new A mount lenses due to uncertainty and risk in doing so…of course because of Sony…
So increasingly new lenses such as the Sigma 150-600 sport will never be for Sony.
Since I require such lenses I need to buy them in Canikon mount.
Unless Sony provides a more fully compatable high speed AF adapter like possibly the LAEA4 for Canikon lense…or makes E mount electronically compatable with Canikon..
People such as myself that have exclusively used Sony for a long time will have no choice but to switch.
I have just preordered in Nikon mount and will see what camera I get …or change my preorder..at the last minite depending on what new stuff comes out
Stop teasing us, please switch.
Sony will never support Canonikon lenses.
Please, please go through with your move to Nikon.
Candiru
You should change your sreen name to Candiru.
Bless you!
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What happened to the Barry sensor?
Sony has the best cutting edge technolgy in the industry.
Unfurtunatly they have the worst management in the industry and make one terrible decision after another.
This is why thier tv, computer, cellphone divisions are failures despite the best technology.
Basic common sense is you keep your existing customers…instead Sony is tossing thier loyal customers in the trash in an all or nothing attempt to generate an all new E mount customer base.
As #3 the only way Sony can gain enough market share to make that work is to convert Canikon users..that reguires full Canikon lens compatability.
If I could get the lens I want in Sony mount it would be mucj easier to stay with Sony…but Sony has also foolishly alienated the lensmakers..and there is no good 600mm for Sony.
Nikon will probably use the newest Sony sensor so I will be getting a new Barry Sensor but it may not be practical to get one on a Sony camera
“and there is no good 600mm for Sony.”
You don’t think that the Minolta 600mm f4 is any good? You are clueless!
I almost bought that lens. That one kept me up many nights…but in the end I couldn’t part with the 5k for such an old lens. It’s performance is stellar though.
The problem with Barry is that he wants the focal length and performance but not the price tag.
The Sigma 150-600 isn’t really that great of a lens either unfortunately. I’ve watched a few reviews and I think I’d skip. If I’m hardcore into wildlife I’d still choose a prime. I’m a prime guy though…what can I say. I don’t think we’re really missing anything if we don’t get that lens.
I assume you mean Tamron, not Sigma. I rented one and was totally un impressed
Thats an old film era desighn, not currently produced, with only 10 elements in 9 groups, screw drive, Heavy, hard to find, and expensive when you can find one.
A stretch even for you.
Barry I can buy one right now, they are available. The fact is that it is simply out of your budget and that is fine, but don’t look the fool by pretending you aren’t buying it because of the reasons you stated.
“More and more …non sony lens manucacturers are refusing to build new A mount lenses due to uncertainty and risk in doing so”
Where is your evidence to back up the “more and more” statement? Manufacturers have always been slower to support Sony and Pentax, so what?
I have spoken to several people from Sigma in sales , customer support, lens conversion and repair departments.
Althogh these are not decision makers they all consistently have told me that the more expensive lenses will not be made in Sony mount because they are too expensive and they cannot afford to fail.
They have also told me that they consider it thier primary responsibility..thier words not mine..to support Canon since that represents 90% of thier revenue.
Lastly they cite the uncertainty about the A mount future as a major factor in thier reluctance to back Sony.
They plan to continue to make thier less epensive lenses for Sony and will release those lenses in the following order
Canon, Nikon, Sigma, Sony…if they make other mounts they will be after Sony.
The factor that has increased this trend is of course the uncertainty about A mount future.
“Althogh these are not decision makers”
You’ve spoken to a bunch of monkeys at Sigma sales and support. Barry I have news for you, SAR regulars will know more about Sigma than they do. Sigma not making certain lenses for Sony and Pentax is as old as A-mount itself.
I find that about you though Barry, you think that you have discovered some new news that Minolta/Sony users have known for years. Then you trumpet is as some big revelation or Sony conspiracy.
Almost every post on SAR is a repeat of old stuff…there are about 50 topics posted for every one that is trully new…but this is a rumor site and thats what it is supposed to be..there is not enough new Sony stuff to fill this website so we do have to recycle rumors. If you havent already realized that..now you know.
Barry what on Earth are you on about?
When I say “news” I don’t mean rumours here. Read it again, I am talking about YOU discovering something that you think is “new” and then trumpeting it here when it has already been known about for years.
Do you actually read what people type? For once, please engage your brain before you reply.
Barry, there is medication available for OCD that’s very effective. This constant repeating yourself has become a classic symptom of this mental disease.
There is no point. Barry does not seem to accept the fact that he is ill.
Maybe he isn’t, maybe he really is as rude, selfish and arrogant as he appears.
Congratulations Barry. Now there’s no more reason to for you to hang out here.
When that happens and I have no other reason to post here, I can continue to visit just to harrass the people that have annoyed me most…sort of like they do now.
That’s because you’re a troll. Always have been, always will be.
You offer this message board next to nothing.
Then you switch. Same like some people switched from Nikon to Canon or from Canon to Sony, or whatever. It doesn’t work anymore for you, you change it. Big deal.
Barry, can you explain to me what this post has to do with the rumor of the A7000?
And about the lenses, what is new? Since Sigma makes AF lenses for Canon, Nikon and Minolta the very expensive lenses where only for Nikon and Canon. Look at the 200-500 f2.8 zoom lens…
It is just a fact of life that they don’t make those lenses for Sony/Minolta or Pentax. But they do make lenses for the (rumored) A7000 cool isn’t it?
What other proof is there that more and more maufacturers aren’t making A mount lenses. We’re only talking Sigma, Tamron and Tokina…who else? All three have recently come out with A mount lenses. Other than the 150-600mm what are you referring too?
As far as Nikon goes…I admit the D750 is tempting. But then I go and read all the Nikon whiners talking about how they cripple their cameras with features, poor service, etc. 1/4000th and 6.5FPS for 2300.00 dollars? What is this, 2005? I just can’t get myself to do it. I’ve just come to the conclusion that the market is in a transition, mirror less is probably the future and the big DSLR players are still trying to bilk users for as much as they possibly can. So what do you do? For me, that’s just staying out of the game for awhile and waiting to see where the market goes. I think it’s a better idea than selling everything and moving over to another brand.
This is a rumor site…proof is strictly optional.
As for lenses….if Canikon can provide the lens I need and Sony cant thats all that matters.
This new lens eill be permenantly attached to my new camera so I can choose any brand that best meets my needs…..that is any brand except Sony because Sony cannot meet my needs for this next purchase.
My other stuff is still Sony so all options still remain open.
“This is a rumor site…proof is strictly optional.”
Ironic coming from somebody that demands proof from others when they are trying to educate you on how you are yet again wrong on something.
Yeah, I’m in pretty much the same place you are. I’ve been eyening Nikon options, too, but then think, “What if they just go down this same path in a year or two? Will everyone be changing their mounts as they eventually go mirrorless?” If so, dumping all my current A-mount gear won’t seem to have made much sense. That said, I honestly can’t see Nikon or Canon ditching their mounts when they go mirrorless; I think that’s why it’s taking them so long to really get in the game: they’re trying perfect solutions that use their current mounts natively. There are othe reasons to go Canikon, too – better flash systems, compatibility with a wider variety of third party products, more lenses, etc. Still, it’s hard to think of leaving the better Sony tech behind…
“Camera body will be $699 USD”.
Great rumors indeed, lol.
Seems too good to be true at that price, but I hope it’s real. I would rather it cost more and be built really well. At $699 can it truly be weather sealed? Guess we’ll see.
Most, if not all of the advances made with the current OLED viewfinders, are due to faster and higher resolution (more data, means more DR, more detail, less noise, less aliasing,etc. , all else being equal) sensor read out and better software (more control of WB, contrast, etc.).
So a reference to the NEX 6 viewfinder, could simply mean the same 2.4 million dots one found in for example the A7S (but obviously not quite the FF low light details in the viewfinder).
HULK smash puny crop sensor!
is that big announcement related to this? http://photorumors.com/2014/10/24/more-details-on-the-rumored-sonyzeiss-and-mamiya-medium-format-digital-rangefinder-cameras/
No way this will only cost $699 for body only.
I was kind of hoping for 257 phase detect points. Bummer.
If this had a touch screen and a premium build I might think of switching back over from Olympus. Let’s see if Sony ups the game with this one.
When will Sony stop pandering to the whims of the fashion conscious? They found out that a certain market wanted very small high quality cameras with which to take pictures of anything they see in the streets and their food, they started making those cameras and the rest of the worlds sheep clambered onto the bandwagon.
Now Sony are pushing out more updates, in the form of new cameras, than ever before, and expecting joe public to keep buying them. They are trying to make a camera to suit ALL purposes and ALL lenses and when they find out that this is not possible, then, will they dump E mount and move onto their next pet project? who knows.
Sony should realize that they were starting to change the market in their favour with the SLT cameras and their amazing EVF’s and technology, that many dedicated Canikon followers were taking them seriously and were waiting for their next innovation….and what do Sony do… Totally ignore the DSLR market in favour of flavour of the month toy cameras for the masses.
The words Sony and Marketing are further apart than we are from the sun.
Or you know, maybe people wanted smaller FF cameras all along.
I own two A7’s and an A7S. And I will never be going back to an SLR or SLT system.
not even an A77II? Have you tried it?
Unless he shoots sports or something, why would he need an A77 over an A7?
“Unless he shoots sports or something” ….
Or, of course, he shoots anything else that moves faster than granny pushing her shopping trolly.
Not everyone has small hands, shoots inanimate objects and uses nothing but short lenses. Some people out there actually have a life and get among the birds, nature, sports (as you said) and not just walking around town taking shots of people and buildings, then of their food when they go for a break.
There is a reason why SLR type cameras are alive and kicking and it’s a shame Sony are letting this slip by when they really did start to rule the roost.
There are many people who want small cameras and there are many people who want DSLR type cameras, all for their own, individual reasons, and it’s about time Sony realised this and got themselves back on track by supporting both factions as they really can lead the field in both if they try.
I think that Sony pays attention to a lot of the comments left at many photography websites. In fact they most likely have a whole team of people who just scour the web for feedback on Sony’s products, Camera related, and everything else they make. I predict that Sony will launch a substantial round of Pro A-Mount Cameras in the first quarter of next year. As for lenses, between Sony and third party manufacturers, they have a reasonable line up already, so don’t expect much new, maybe just a few upgrades on some of the older popular lenses.
I could live with that and I hope what you say is true.
I hope, though, that Sony don’t just go for the very high end with their A mount cameras because they REALLY need a viable starter/mid range body(s) in the range as well for people who need a stepping stone into the system. Sony has to allow everyone to get on the bottom rung so that they can climb up to the top.
So you are basically saying that every street and documentary photographer doesn’t have a life because he doesn’t shoot birds, fast cars or some men running in grass fields and is actually “just walking around town taking shots of people and buildings”?
Oh god..
Anyone can shoot anything in towns etc, too easy.
Much nicer life in the country, a heck of a lot more interesting and a heck of a lot harder to photograph. Butterflies and birds don’t stand still and pose for you. You should try it sometime.
You know that people on the street also don’t pose for you right? And saying that anyone can shoot anything in a city makes me wonder if you have actually studied any great photographer.
And don’t mind naming great bird photographers.. Oh sorry, I forgot, there aren’t any.
Yes, I have shot in cities…and I’ve never seen a building move, nobody has broken into a 20mph run and even the cars go slowly ….so no problem there then. I’ve also been quite happy to get back into the fresh air of the countryside as well.
Plenty of great photographers out there, some deserve the title, some don’t, some take pictures of buildings and people, some take pictures of kingfishers rising out of the water with a fish in it’s beak or a dragonfly in flight. I know who are the good ones.
He didn’t say he was a documentary shooter, but that he would never buy an A7 because of his big hands and exclusive use of short lenses.
You’d have to be pretty incompetent to not be able to shoot that stuff with an A7, though. Hell, I was shooting that stuff back with my old a330 and a580. I guess my point was, if the poster is happy with the form factor and performance of his A7, why would he look to an A77II? I have an A77 (mk I); it’s a great camera. That doesn’t mean it’s for everyone, though.
I’m happy that small cameras suit you.
They certainly don’t suit my large hands or my long lenses or the type of photography I do and, as I said, Sony were leading the field and building a great reputation in the DSLR type field, but now, to appease one section of the buying public they are alienating the other which is a shame because, with a little forethought, they could be pleasing everybody.
I think over time all cameras will be mirrorless with short flange distance. As technology advances it just makes more sense.
For large lenses and/or large hands there will be grips.
Have you tried the A7 with battery grip?
wow if that’s true, I’ll preorder as soon as it is announced.
But I hardly believe it… Yet we never knows, A6000 already has a terrific prices especially compared to NEX 6 at launch.
NEXT 6 seems so fake that i wouldn’t even care. Maybe A7000 will come but these rumors are kind of contradictory, seem more like he picked up many distinct rumors and put in one box, sent to admin
My hopes are A7000 will come with a new EVF the same as the new RX(2) to come.
RX2 will probably go with RX100 trend with a internal viewfinder.
A7000 has to be the best apsc mirrorless model of sony, but as sony always does, something good will be missing. don’t think it will be weather sealed neither a new 16-70 lens will come.
The A7000 is intriguing. I was guessing that Sonys next step would have been to follow up A6000 alterations such as an A6000-S and an A6000-R.
hope to see new mirrorless FF with these all
When Sony will include the A7s ISO sensitivity in their APSC cameras?
You want a 6MP camera?
No but 10mp in aps-c would be fine for me. (Even 12mp is OK)
It was 12MP, it wouldn’t have A7s level ISO sensitivity, as 12MP on a crop sensor is much greater pixel density than 12MP on a FF. Look at the A77 compared to the A99 – both 24MP sensors, but the A77 sucks hard in low light compared to the A99. You’re looking at like 8MP for equivalent sensitivity (to A7s) on a crop sensor.
You are correct.
What I’m asking for is a lower pixel count APSC sensor. Sone thing that performs well for its size and class.
Yeah, I hear ya. I personally think 16MP is the sweet spot on APS-C sensors – the perfect blend or resolution and sensitivity.
Nobody is asking for the high performance in very high ISO levels on an APS-C sensor.
People here would be happy with good enough performance on ISO1600 – ISO 12,000.
I think you would need the full frame for the high sensitivity and good iso performance.
The A7s is very expensive for me for now. Photography isnt my livelihood, is a passion and has become a luxury.
An example of my night shots: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45442267@N08/14645973319/
Here mi flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45442267@N08/
Nice job here. Love the lighting.
Bad news for me. I like make shot street in the night. I wold like get a camera with great sensitivity, Im satisfied with the GX7 and Summilux 25mm 1.4, but a can be a dream shot to ISO 12,000 without noise.
What ISO do you use on night shots?
generally 800, but with very bad conditions 1,600
Wow pretty good. Handheld I assume.
Do you use tripod for any of your night shots? I didn’t know m4/3 can produce this good quality at night.
touch screen! sweet! Hope to have mic input like nex 7 as well, and a flip screen please (yes, i do selfie sometimes too.)
I went with Oly cause I like the glass, touch screen and premium build (EP5). Fantastic camera, but if Sony can pull of some magic here without jacking the price up to nose bleed levels I may jump the fence. I’m a Sony guy at heart- what can I say.
That sounds suspiciously like a wish list of a fevered mind, rather than something real, although it would be nice to see.
If you look at most posted wishlists and complaints, this is a perfect compilation! Especially the part about the viewfinder, as many NEX6 users compare the A6000 as being very poor in that regard and I’ve seen many who either won’t move, or even swapped back, for that reason.
Of course, if it did get a great EVF, was almost on a par with the A7s for sensitivity, and had ultrafast AF, why would any photographer, professional or amateur, sports, nature, or landscape, buy anything else?
Perhaps pie in the sky?
i still prefer full frame, so no, i would still rather get the A7(S).
That sounds FAKE
Admin, the new zeiss zoom is actually an updated FE 24-70 F4, but not the apsc 1670. It will have better performance and larger filter tread to match the 1635z and 70200g. It will be announced very soon.
Ah, that would make more sense than the 16-70 having better optics and being shorter! Thanks for sharing your rumour, I’m looking forward to see if it is true! 🙂
If it does, in fact, come with a touchscreen, I’ll have to think hard about grabbing this instead of another M4/3 as my next body, if only for using manual lenses. I don’t understand why so many companies overlook the value of touchscreens for photographers…
What is the benefit of a touch screen with only manual foucs lenses? For autofoucs you can use touch-to-focus which is very handy, but if you are using manual only then why?
‘Touch to focus’…….er… great when you are taking pictures of a building, not so great when trying to focus on a small bird…or when using the viewfinder like most photographers do
Sure it does. I use it all the time and it’s just as fast as the shutter button.
What’s your reasoning? I use touch focus/shutter often for small birds and other wildlife. That’s where it shines most!
At least on my GX1, the picture-in-picture touch magnification is great for fast, accurate manual focusing. I’ve played with the GX7 as well, and even with focus-peaking, a magnified view is a real help to quickly ensure you’ve nailed the focus.
No one speaks of a magnified view with touch screen but about fixing the focus point by touch screen. In manual focus with focus peaking you fix your sharpness instantly on just any point of the frame you want, and you do this by view finder. Now, concerning focus magnification, there should be a button accessible to your index in a good front of camera position to press that just at any moment. NEX-7 has an inlaid multifunction button on the back to do that and that one is hard to reach when you hold the camera at your eye because it is hidden in some sort of a cup surrounded by a switch (AF/MF – AEL) that generally, how could it be else, is in the wrong position when you want to use it. NEX-7 is an excellent tool, but there are still a few things to change to make it better. Magnification switch need a separate own button in a better place, best beside the release button on front in reach of your index. But, still, those are just details.
Small screen + small icons is the worst nightmare for anyone with large hands and big fingertips. I’m forever hitting two icons at a time on many small devices.
You often go to position the screen as well and click the shutter with the screen. I have an olympus- touchscreen is nice. However, I rarely use it in practice.
Mmmhhh, we will need to ask Sony then to put a stylus in the corner. It’s the reason why I never buy any Android device without stylus.
“If it does, in fact, come with a touchscreen, I’ll have to think hard
about grabbing this instead of another M4/3 as my next body, if only for
using manual lenses.”
Right, because touch AF is so useful for manual lenses…
I do not see what touchscreen brings to manual lens use. With the focus peaking you set your sharpness instantly just anywhere you want it, no need of a touchscreen for that. In AF, the touchscreen fast selection of the frame point is important feature. I am in favor for a touchscreen, but it needs a menu setting to switch it off, or a button attribution setting to do this instantly.
I hope this is fake. Tri-Navi would seriously make me consider NOT buying this camera. If it had a touchscreen, would be immediately disabled. I would hope this is more of a video-centric option to the A6000 rather than a NEX-7 replacement. Mic input, lower resolution sensor, I guess 4K since it is here to stay, but good 1080P / 2K performance a must.
What’s your problem with Tri-Navi? I would immediately replace my NEX-7 with this if it had Tri-Navi!
FAKE!
Admin, I heard that there will be a firmware update for A6000 to make the camera weathersealed.
It’ll also enable the A6000’s full frame sensor.
I wouldn’t buy an A6000 that wasn’t medium format and didn’t have sensor stabilisation for my adapted A-mount lenses.
The icing on the cake
I’m buying it. I already have an Maxxum 9, A900, and A77 for the majority of my SLR work. This camera would be used for those occasions where a DSLR is just too cumbersome.
Maxxum 9, A900 and A77…you mean the deadly trinity.
That means some 95% of all your shooting time 🙂
No buddy,
The A9 (SSM upgraded), and A900 will carry on being used for the professional quality work. If I want to take it up a notch I use my Pentax 645NII.
This will be only be used for personal time, and occasionally alongside the A900.
Don’t forget the firmware update will make 16-70 shorter.
Oh, wait, firmware update on a Sony? Nobody will believe that.
I really, really, really hope the rumour is true. TriNav in combination with touchscreen will definitely make me open my wallet (again).
If these rumours are true I’ll definitely buy this camera. I already have an A900, so I’m really not interested in another Full Frame.
IMO this possible camera would be definitely more useful than an A7 Series. Its compact (both body and lenses), weather sealed, APS-C, possibly has a fast burst rate, and AF speed of the A6000.
According to Sony the A6000’s EVF is better than the older EVF from the NEX6 (despite the lower resolution), meaning Sony would use the EVF from the RX10 / A6000 or a completely new one which is both next gen and high-res, but they would never use the old one from the NEX era.
So it’s fake 🙂
That is a big fat lie, pure and simple. The A6000 EVF sucks big time. No comparation with NEX7/6 and A7/R EVF’s. The resolution is so low it looks awful just to look at the menus through EVF. Everything else is also worse.
A6000 evf is much better than my old nex7, 1280×768 vs 800 x 600 is no big different, but the optic and refresh rate is 10 times better.
I mean 1024×768
nex6/7: 1024*768*RGB 2.3m dot but with bad optic, slow with many noise.
A6000: 800*600*RGB 1.4m dot with superior optic, better viewangle, fast and no noise, its 10 times better.
You obviously only read paper and haven’t actually used the camera.
I did and I returned it. It sucked big time. My NEX7 has by far better EVF.
“Zeiss lens 16-70 which you already know is weathersealed”
Huh?
At such a price point, I could see myself selling my A6000 and paying the difference for that one. But I have doubts about how true this is, especially considering the specs of the lens. Weather sealing added, improved optics AND 20% shorter? I would have thought a camera like that would have been selling more around 1000$, unless Sony planned on making the bulk of its profits by selling the Zeiss since it would be the only weather sealed E-mount lens?
It says that it’s fatter too?
You’re right, I didn’t notice! Thanks!
around 1000$? for little more you buy an A7. that makes no sense whatsoever.
No, it depends what you’re looking in for a camera. I intend to keep using APS-C sensors, and I can see advantages to it. Per example, a videographer could argue that there’s less rolling shutter effect on APS-C. It’s generally less expensive and smaller. Sensor technology keeps improving to the point where I expect ISO 12800 to be as usable as ISO 3200 is now within a few years, and to me there’s no emergency, I can just buy faster glass. You also get more depth of field and need to stop down less. You can adapt 35mm lenses to use with a shift adapter. You can use a speed booster.
Also, the A7’s initial price was like 1700$. It can now be had for about 1300$. Pretty much the same applies to the A7000. The original price is at around 1000$? Just wait a year, it’ll be 7-800$ instead.
only retards like you would buy an apc-s for the price of a full frame. bye.
So, basically you’d get a camera that may not suit your needs only because it’s cheap for what it is ?
What kind of half-wit are you ? Are you the kind of people buying a year worth of cheap toilet paper because there’s a useless gadget coming with it or you pay a few cents less ?
pro tip: buy an icrap and take pics. it’s the same price and much smaller. you’ll be happy 😉
What’s with that obsession with price ?
buy a leika. but don’t cry when it brokes 😉
Dude… The price difference between the A7 and a 1000$
A7000 would be a good 400$ at the actual price. The difference with a brand new A6000 would be 250$. So, there would be less of a price difference between the A6000 and the A7000 than between the A7000 and the A7. Also,
if you can’t imagine an other camera fitting people’s needs better than the
camera fitting your own needs, you’re very egotistic. I told you why I was interested in staying with APS-C. I can simply do with it.
And what about people buying a Fuji X-T1, or an Olympus
OM-D EM-1? Or people buying a Nikon D7100, a Canon 7D or a Sony A77? Are they
retards? Or are they simply buying cameras that suit their needs?
Because that’s what it’s about. If you got a problem with people not
buying the biggest size sensor for the money… You’re letting yourself be blinded by one aspect of cameras. If I’m satisfied with the size of my sensor, I can look for other things in the camera I want. Per example, if I like its body, if I like its functions and options, or if I like the lenses I can get with it.
only for retards like you the price difference is that. ps: go back to school to learn basic math 😉 now stfu and leave the interweb since you are no more than a stupid troll. go play pokemon.
Once again, it’s an argument about price, no photographer buys a camera because it’s either “cheap for what it is” or “comfortably expensive making it a status symbol”, you choose a camera because either it suits the purpose you intend for it or you are intrigued by its ergonomics, capabilities or feature set and want to test it and learn something out of it, then only do you consider price…
Besides, it’s Leica (which any photographer worth his salt knows) and there’s really no reliability stats on the A7 to compare to Leica’s, so what’s your point ?
Basically your argument is threefold :
– buy anything else than an A7 with lower IQ, you’re just an amateur.
– buy anything else than an A7 with a price lower or equal to it, you’re both an idiot and an amateur.
– buy anything else than an A7 at a higher price, you’re an idiot with too much money.
Basically, you are brainwashed fanboy, not a photographer, you chose a camera because it’s the highest status symbol for your budget, not because of how you will actually use it.
A7 noisy shutter.
A6000 turns the Zeiss 55mm into a perfect portrait lens (mild zoom).
price is not an issue for everyone if the product is top notch, especially for a serious tool that is used to make money.
your comment is stupid. if money is no problem then people buy BETTER SUPERIOR products not inferior ones like this non full frame.
Once again, it’s a stupid comment, let’s see, a Canon 7D MkII costs $2200 is APS-C and arguably “inferior” to the $6500, 35mm Leica M240.
Clearly one is a “superior” camera, however, if you are a sports or nature photographer working with moving subjects at long range, are you going to buy the “better”, more expensive option despite it being wholly unsuited to your needs ? Of course not…
Now, let’s say the Leica is now only $1000, it’s a steal alright, but will it make it the camera you buy, after all, it’s full frame, it’s cheaper and it’s “superior”…
Only if you are a bloody idiot will you buy it instead of a camera suited to your needs.
Let me reiterate, you buy a camera based on your needs, what you shoot and under which conditions, you don’t buy a camera for what it represents or it’s price (whether it’s high or low), it’s not a status symbol, it’s not a toy, it’s not jewelry, it’s a damn tool (hey, you have at least a thing in common with cameras).
Superiority of one camera over another is not an absolute based on spec sheets, it’s a relative, subjective value, specific to each photographer and highly dependent upon his practice of photography, his workflow, his favourite topic, the conditions under which he usually works etc… it’s only superior for a specific purpose and while it might be superior under certain conditions for one photographer, it will be inferior under others for the same photographer.
Honestly how old are you, 7?
Advantages of A7000 against A7: Smaller camera, cheaper, faster autofocus, longer reach with the same focal length(for 200mm on APSC you need 300mm on FF), which leads me nicely onto smaller lenses and cheaper lenses as well.
If you don’t shoot in very very dim conditions a brand new APSC sensor should be good enough and best all around.
get an iphone. it’s better because it’s smaller. duhhhhhhhhhhhh
Get a Phase One because it’s bigger lol.
Or just get a life. You are childish…
just wait 100 years. A7000 will cost 1€. buy it then.
Also the E lenses are smaller than FE.
It absolutely does. Not everyone wants a full frame system that demands bigger lenses. I want a premium, compact system … as compact as possible in fact. The price should be reflective of the product’s quality, not form factor. The “just get a full frame camera” attitude is like telling a motorcycle enthusiast to “just get a car”. It makes no sense.
buy a nokia and go outside play with it. bye.
go play in traffic moron.
that’s all you got?
“Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” … you qualify.
I don’t. I take the upper path and let you make yourself look like an idiot. you are doing a fine job at it. keep it going troll
Where do you sell your used gear? I’m trying to understand the market so I can upgrade more easily. Thanks.
I’d probably sell it on Craigslist or to people around me. Maybe letting people know on Facebook or something. I sold my 5N and one of my older lens to two friends of mine.
Maybe they said “Nex 6 EVF” as in “2.4 dot resolution” and not the exactly same EVF.
Also, if everything in the specs are true, I’m calling fake on the price. It’s not the first time that rumors say that the next-big-new-flagship-camera will have a ‘mid-level’ price and then it ends up being as expensive as any other camera in their category.
I highly doubt that the sensor will be engineered for ‘high sensitivity’. High ISOs was never Sony’s thing, with the sole exception of the A7s.
I dunno maybe Sony just hit on something where they find people flip over high ISO and for this camera and others perhaps they don’t have to go to 12mp and 400,000 ISO but say they offered an 18mpixel camera with an ISO that goes to 200,000 or in the realm of rule use 50,000, it would be a groundbreaker again.
I’m looking forward to the RX2 which I hope has better video, wifi and a viewfinder but I’d be all over the A7000. Can I get one by Halloween? Pleeeeeaase?
Yeah, I’m calling BS on the pricing. Everything else looks like it’s at least possible! Looks like a GH4 competitor and would expect similar pricing, hopefully a little lower.
NEX-6 EVF? Just tell us now it will be made out of plastic shells and we can bury it just before it appears on the market. Hopeless if they do that.
lol somebody else is really mentioning this
One reviewer mentioned that the NEF had a higher resolution viewfinder than the a6000. This is probably the idea – revert to the higher resolution viewfinder. That subtle an observation makes me think that the information presented might be accurate.
A7000s . Now that’s the version I’m really interested in.
That “s” on a APS-C camera would fulfill a lot of requirements in using Sony’s compact system.
Judging from the price, a magnesium body isn’t coming back to half-frame E-mount. Gone are the days when even NEX-5 had a magnesium body…
the price seems wrong … i would much prefer premium components/materials be used in the A7000 and see it priced to compete against the Fuji X-T1. I think $1,200 – $1,400 MSRP would be the sweet spot since it would allow for $999 – $1,200 offers. Sony can leave the A6000 for the $600 market, and conquer the high end APS-C market (~$1,000 price point) with a premium product and premium pricing. They can’t release a cheap product or this finicky customer will move to other high-end offerings (e.g. Fuji, which has a superb lens selection)
I agree. Sony still has room for a high end half frame, in fact with the right lenses it could serve to open up the sports market where Canon’s dominant with inferior tech. Many people need to realize that the DSLR’s AF advantage is rapidly shrinking. Fuji’s put a lot of effort into its lens lineup, though they’re pushing it a bit with the price, like with the new 56mm.
Honestly if this is true and will have the things I want it is going to be super awesome!
Include:
-More lenses! 35mm f/1.4, something like a tokina 11-16, and more affordable lenses…
-Dual dials
-Improved AF
-Mic and Headphone jacks
-Better movie recording button placement
-Better stabilisation
-Internal 4K recording
-Under £800 for Body, even better with lens!
please let if have a decent hotshoe and not the piece of shit that sony puts on top of the camera.
MICROPHONE PORT? Possibly the single most important thing they needed to have had on the A6000….
I would prefer more configurable buttons, and more options that can be assigned to, I use external sound recorder, video needs to be post processed anyway
After reading the bit about the lens, I say the whole thing is bullshit. Its too clone to what everyone wants and in all my years Ive never seen a manufacturer produce hardware that everyone wants- theres always a compromise.. And as for releasing a lens and then a year later changing the design?? Thats where the bullshit comes in hard and fast.
“Its too clone to what everyone wants and in all my years Ive never seen a manufacturer produce hardware that everyone wants”
Maybe this one time we’ll get what we actually want. 😛
Sony would sell a TON of such cameras. Selling is good, no?
That particular Zeiss lens seems to get mixed reviews, although they muddy the situation because the reviewers seem to get caught up on the price, and they obsess about sharpness over contrast and color rendition.
Sony should bundle the zeiss 16-70mm lens with this and sell it at a higher price. Can’t imagine enthusiasts will be interested in the 16-50mm power zoom.
So true. My camera came with the 16-50, and I almost never used it.
A faster lens would help greatly, My two cents.
Would be so nice if something like the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 came out for E-mount!
I agree with you!
That soul de be definetly the one i soul de get! Come on Sigma!
Another fantasy wish list. *shakes head*
This A6000 is selling crazy fast, many store are out of stocks and have a waiting list of customers.
So I doubt very much to get a A7000 soon on the market!
is the rumor saying that the lens alone will be $1199? or that the body and lens kit will be $1199?
Sony might realize that the bodies exist to sell glass 🙂
What are the chances the a7000 will have a vari-angle screen like the canon t3i (flip out facing the subject to view the screen and as well as a 3.5mm mic jack input?