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who is Mike? why is he rated SR2?
I don’t think he knows who Mike is, hence the SR2.
SR2=rumor from unknown sources
This guy (Admin doesn’t trust him completely though – thinks he maybe BSing):
What’s up with the DDOS attack against SAR? Are those pesky Canon fanboys getting jealous of Sony again? Seriously, SAR has been really poor at loading the pages for the last few days.
Probably people were tired of all the inaccurate sale pages and post admin puts up. There’s only 1 rumor for every 10 sale posts he puts up.
The Canon folks are out shooting with their pro gear and cameras that have batteries that last more than hour.
Let’s talk about this lens and flange distance. As we Sony users know it’s the most important part of the lens design and photography in general.
True. I got into a “Welcome to your wordpress site” page with nothing on it.
I thought it might be web design updating. I visited a re-designed SAR on my mobile yesterday.
I have to go to 43rumors then click on SAR to get here. Hasn’t loaded for two days now.
NIKON BUYS SAMSUNG NX TECH!!!!! BRILLIANT MOVE NIKON!!!! Now we know for certain that Nikon had doubts about whether or not they could give the A7 series a run for it’s money, in house. The verdict: NO WAY!
Yeah I really have to wonder how much of the stuff said about Nikon bringing out a serious competitor was true given this news.
The source did´t tell the year!
This better come with A9 optimized for speed and handling, and native 70-200/2.8 😉
if it is true, it will cost 2000€ or more…. 🙁
Yes and an A5 with Fuji design. (i know you love me)
Please no retro designs. It is pointless.
A clean, black box please.
Great better Idea! Take out all those buttons and screws we never use just give us a shutter and an aperture screw an we are done.
No buttons, no screen, only two wheels, one for shutter speed and one for iso. Put a 16-300mm f4 on it (no mount) give it a new ff sensor that’s 16mp and has clean iso up to 16000. Aperture ring around lens. A huge evf that can swivel up, down, and side to side. (sticking quite a bit out from the back of the camera, but retractable into the body)
10FPS. Dual card slot. Swivable grip. Weather sealed to -35C and 1 meter for 30 minutes.
Comes in silver and black.
Give it the new filter from the rx1r2. 4k video. 1080p at 120FPS.
Now that would be something else, wouldn’t it?
shutup and take my money (if its that small)
Where does it mention size?
Knowing Sony, that will be 24-70 ZA lens firmly connected with LA-EA3 adaptor for 200% of the sum of their prices 🙂
Please no Fly by Wire and I will buy it!!!!
Sony must recognize that this is the biggest problem with the new sony lens.
The professional and that hobbist like me who love use real Manual Focusing!!
I am sure Sony can do it! Please Sony, If you don’t believe just do a vote about it within users!
It would be greatly appreciated if sony did it!
There are 0 AF mirrorless lenses from any manufacturer that are true manual focus. Olympus, Fuji, Sony, every one is all focus by wire. As much as I’d like this to be true since I hate focus by wire, I wouldn’t count on it.
Correct. And Canon STM lenses are focus by wire as well, which are optimised for on sensor AF.
Nothing is perfect. You want fast and accurate AF, that’s the way to go.
I’m probably in the minority but I’d gladly sacrifice focus speed for the “older” DSLR type AF zooms that have pretty good AF and real MF both at the same time
I am not into manual as it really slows down. But I do agree that focus-by-wire is terrible operating.
Every time I use my Loxia 50 it makes me want more lenses that have the feel like that. My dream lens is a normal 16-35 or 24-70 zoom with the aperture ring of the FE35 1.4 (allowing auto also), with some type of pull AF/MF clutch with a nice MF feel to it
For me, using manual lens keeps others waiting. I also uses 70-200/2.8, which will be challenging for manual use.
It’s not great for every circumstance, but having the option to do both and having both be really good options is what I’m missing. Right now the choice is Loxia/Legacy with solid MF feel, no AF, or new mirrorless AF lenses with sucky MF.
I want something in the middle
A mount lens offer what you want. But you are loosing some key features e-mount system is offering. Nothing is perfect.
True, and I’d be willing to accept some sacrifices if they had F4 versions of those A-Mount zooms. The 1000g 24-70 A-mount 2.8 is just ridiculous almost 3 times heavier than FE version
Size matters when comes to image quality. There are sacrifices. I have an open mind towards APSC systems. I believe in a few more years I can safely use one of those for landscape.
I’d be fine with APS-C probably, but it’s the same problem for Sony. Almost got the A6000 instead, but lack of a “good” standard zoom is the same issue. I hate the 16-50 powerzoom and the 16-70 Zeiss isn’t very good at all, especially for the price.
The Fuji 18-55 and 18-135 are both excellent, why can’t Sony make something like this?
I had that same problem with Sony for 3 years before I jumped ship. I am not coming back soon. I spent a lot of good time with my first camera A57.
is the 2.8 A-mount version any sharper than the the f4 e-mount though? Just curious because I see them pretty cheap sometimes and if the weight is not an issue.
The A-Mount version at 2.8 outperforms the E-Mount version at F4….
If they could just make the manual focus algorithm selectable depending on the needed use, it would be a great compromise.
Linear motors are why they have focus-by-wire. You can’t have the old fashion manual override.
Not a mechanical override, a selectable property for how the focus is adjusted internally by the fbw software.
It has to know where the focus is located within the lens in order to interpret the distance data from the sensor, which means that all focus positions are already mapped, if those points could be put on a linear plot that correlates to the rotation of the barrel, we could have something similar to an analog manual focus lens.
Right?
Linear motors are small actuators moving along a fixed straight rail. It’s controlled by electro-magnetic. There is no mechanic like a conventional circular motor has, which uses a rotating shaft to drive the element back and forth. With linear motors, you are stuck with focus-by-wire. The only difference would be playing with a ring or a switch.
Actually, you’re wrong. Many DSLR lenses have ultrasonic motors AND direct coupled focussing.
Mirrorless cameras have linear motors, DSLRs have ring motors. Both are of a piezo-drive type, which you call “ultrasonic”
Ring motor can have a mechanical override, because its wrapped around the barrel of the lens, and is usually right under or right next to MF ring. Linear motor cannot be overriden mechanically, without some type of direct gear drive that connects to the lens. That is because the lens is suspended on rails, and a motor is on one-few of those rails, stretched along the horizontal axis of the lens. It essentially acts as a miniature Gauss gun.
Are you saying mirrorless lenses can only have linear motors? If you are, I’d love for you to explain why.
No, I’m saying thats been a mirrorless trend. Dont know why. Maybe cheaper/smaller.
One guess would be is that linear motors allow for that fast AF hunting back and forth, that mirrorless cameras are known for. Maybe now with A7rII, that trend will be altered.
I hope so. I use both DSLR and mirrorless. Focus by wire is one of the things I’m not keen on with my mirrorless kit.
MF by wire is pretty much the only thing keeping me away from morrorless.
I’d love to have A7II with a few small 2.8 primes. For now I dont see it with a 2.8 zoom. Too small to be comfortable. A99 body type is needed.
I think many mirrorless lens use it due to accuracy. You probably noticed that some A-mount SSM lens doesn’t work well with hybrid AF offered by E-mount bodies, thus Sony recommended EA4 adapter instead of EA3. I think contrast focus is what causing compatibility issue.
ultrasonic motors are circular types.
That’s why I said ultrasonic motors. Your last sentence is unclear. You mention ring, do you mean ring motor?
What I said and ultrasonic motor are similar. linear ones are just different. if you google it you will see. Stan explained it very well.
If they could just modify the firmware to have a linear focus position, rather than ramping based on the rate of rotation, it would make it much more usable.
To be able to know where the focus will land based on where the focus barrel is is really important for manual focusing, especially with video production.
Really good idea Dan! That would be much better!
Hey Sony developer, can you listen us? Please, It would be a lovely Christmas gift to us! 🙂
this would need a re-calibration, at least from time to time. Probably each time you power on the lens… are you willing to do so? me not… and having a fine grained MF when turning slowly is nice to have for close up’s
It shouldn’t need any calibration, the same way that your auto ficus did not require re calibration each time you use it. FBW works great for doing precise focus for photography, but it is terrible for making focus when shooting video. That why I think selectable manual focus profiles would be the best option.
Have you tried the 90/2.8? That does more or less the same thing without any problems…
Pretty sure Sony’s not concerned about Hobbiests who use real Manual Focusing when they’re designing new 2.8 zooms.
A good start! I’d like to see 70-200/2.8 and maybe 16-35/2.8.
If those lenses were available would you buy them? I’m guessing they would cost in the 6 to 7 thousand dollars range. It seems that many people want fast glass, but are they wiling to pay for them not to mention carry around that much weight.
I would buy the 2 I mentioned. I wont buy 24-70/2.8 as I can live with the other 2 plus a 55mm. I am not sensitive about weight. I am sensitive a little bit about size and very much about keep swapping lens.
I am more than happy to carry 16-35 and 70-200 out. I have no problem with 2 dlsr and 2 lens weighing near 1kg each on my shoulder. If I am that sensitive about weight I will be using M43 without a question.
The issue when changing lenses often with the A7x series cameras as well as the NEX and Alpha 5000-6000 series is that the sensor gets dirty really easily and fast. To me these are the major issues of these cameras especially that Sony after sales service is virtually inexistent as well as they do not sell sensor cleaning kits for their cameras… I think they should do it.
In their future mirrorless cameras, I hope that Sony will incorporate a retractable sensor protection device.
shouldn’t be that expensive… take a look at the A-mount Sony stuff and you have something in the region of 2-3 thousand dollars…
I don’t want heavy, bulky lenses so I only have the 55mm F1.8 and the 35mm F2.8… It is a pity that all the lenses for the A7x series are so huge, bulky and heavy… I’d like a 16mm 2.8…
Is the zeiss 24-70 f/4 really that bad, or is it the price that puts people off? That along with the 16-35 f/4 would be prime contenders if I were to buy an a7x. The 16-35 gets great reviews, but the 24-70 is often referred to as a $1200 kit lens.
Edit: thanks all for the replies. I think my plan is the 16-35 and the 55. My guess is the f/2.8 zooms are going to be out of my price range.
I don’t own it myself, but from what i can gather is the first production models were really soft on the corners.
I’ve since seen examples with great sharpness across the board (for a zoom anyway).
If I didn’t do a lot of gig photography I would buy it right now, but a 2.8 would be much more suited to my photography.
Yes, it is really that bad. Especially for the asking price. I’ve had it for a short time – and got rid of it. The distortion and sharpness is awful at both ends of the zoom range. Went with the 35 2.8 and 55mm combo instead. Much much better image quality.
The 16-35 is wonderful – very high quality optics, and worth every penny it costs! The only negative optically is the softness at 35mm and f4. Other than that, it’s a top performer.
Nobody is spending $1200 on that lens anymore though, if you are you’re crazy. I got mine for $800.
It’s actually very good from about 28-30mm to 70mm. People complain about 70mm also, maybe I have a good copy mine is absolutely perfect at 70mm from f5.6 on.
Corners at 24mm are sucky at every aperture, that’s the main weakness
From f5.6 on!! What lens is not good from f5.6 on?!
Well everybody says 70mm is terrible at every aperture, which isn’t true
And at 24MM the sides/corner aren’t good at any aperture
Well mine was never terrible at 70; but it was never good either. It was fairly consistent across the field at 70mm but had notably lower contrast and micro detail. At 25 it was excellent from wide open centrally; but as everyone says the corners suck and never improve. 28-50 or so was very good indeed for a zoom, best around 35.
And that’s exactly why I would never buy the 24-70. I mean, what’s the point of buying a 24-70 when you can only use it from 28mm onwards. I would rather pick up the 28-70 kit lens that comes almost for free with the A7 series.
I had it test wise together with the real kit lens (28-75mm) and decided to stay with the non-Zeiss…for compactness. For serious imaging I use an Tamron 24-70/f2.8 A-mount with LA-EA adapter….enough said….
Its not that bad at all but the kits lens is not that far behind either. I have not used the 16-35 but people say its pretty good.
I dunno I had the 28-70 first and found it considerably worse, maybe I had a really bad copy. Side/corner softness visible at web size images from like 28-35MM. Was only good from around 35-40mm on
The 16-35 is excellent
I have exactly the same experience. From 28-33mm it’s not suitable for landscapes or any flat field subject. It is however excellent from 35-70.
I understand the 16-35 is very good, but I prefer the 24-70 range.
I think there’s some major copy variation in the 28-70. I had a similar experience to you where the copy I had was downright atrocious while others seem to have a much better experience.
It’s not bad, but it can be difficult to shoot on-the-fly with its pronounced field-curvature.
When the 28-70 kit lens is quite decent and the $1200 24-70 is only slightly better, that would put a lot of people off.
It is not worth the asked price tag, nor the zeiss badge. If they offered that lens for 700 or 800USD, that would make it worth it (and if they remove the zeiss badge) even with all the flaws.
700-800USD is what you’d pay for this lens new on ebay.
No, it’s not bad. People just like to complain.
I don’t think it’s that bad. However, the Canon 24-70 f/2 is so good and it’s the “go to” lens for many photographers, the Sony version seems lacking. However, that can all change with a faster 2.8 Zeiss version.
Finally – Sony has got their timing down with releasing lenses, making this one available well before prime summer travel/vacation season in the ‘Northern Hemi’!!
A March release means it’ll be readily available in quantity in April (even allowing for some delay), review will follow, many will buy in May, and we’ll see lots of fantastic travel shots from this lens in June and July.
+1 Just in time for wedding season. What took them so long?
Yes! But they still have a problem with Camcorders. They present them at NAB, ship in July or October too late for wedding season and no way I’ll buy in October knowing CES is nearly there. Still saving money, still rocking an XF100. FS5 is very tempting now that DVX200 is a little disappointment. Pity that misses the 50p 4k. But an a7rII or a7sII with 24-70 looks mighty awesome.
Can somebody please send Admin another piece of “information” that the lens will be available sooner, something like in January maybe? Anybody named Mike here?
CES is the next fair. It’s possible that they’ll present it there with lot of fanfare and ship in March with more than three months to make stock for what looks most likely a big hit.
Totally makes sense.
only if they present it a few weeks after the CES 😉
Is it too soon to start the a7000 rumor cycle all over again, starting with CES 2016?
I’m not sure, they could wait ’til NAB. Still there’s nothing that can make shadow to the a6000 except the GH4 or GH5(possible NAB too) and now maybe a future Nikon NX.
I love Sony’s strategy. They can be announcing stuff all year around. You want mirrorless, which flavor FF or APSC? You want DSLR? there you go. You want videocameras? We have some new ones you may be interested too. And that’s not counting lenses Emount for video and Mirrorless or Amount. No month out of our minds and credit cards.
That makes sense. Sony wants to create a good impression among U.S. consumers and CES is the gateway to make that possible. It’s the only and main market they want to dominate.
Mike is Barry’s alterego 😀
Sony have said it before, the sale numbers are not good for the aps-c anymore with full frame coming into the picture. But why is it so?
Mainly people are forced to go with the full frame because of the lenses. At least with the FE lenses you’ll know, there’s future. I personally would pay the same money for the aps-c 16-50 2.8 as for the FE 2.8. Same would be the case with the 50-150 2.8 and 10-18 2.8.
The sale numbers would be up again, once they release the 2.8 lenses for aps-c !!! I just cannot carry full frame system around with me all the time. Traveling all the time and light. But I just need some quality native lenses to go with the aps-c system!
Construction of APS-C E-Mount is not suitable for 2.8 lenses. Much vignetting and loss of corner sharpness with an expensive lens will not be tolerated by the market.
FE has expensive microlenses on sensor to compensate weakness of a thin body. APS-C doesn’t.
Not suitable, but possible
To much competition in that space. Soccer moms are using a rebel and enthusiasts are shooting Fuji or Olympus. Why bother with Sony when they aren’t as focused? Fuji and Olympus are at least dedicated to their chosen sensor size.
I hope it has dual card slots built into the lens.
Rumor is it does not but it can wirelessly transfer photos to your tinfoil hat
Sony can create a virtual second card slot with a firmware upgrade.
it is called your mobile phone 😉
An A99m2 with dual card slots!
New qx camera, 24-70 2.8 ff sensor.
Sony really needs to build out its lens line, this is a step in the right direction F2.8 is a real zoom lens, at F4 their other lens should have been the kit that came with the camera.
That’s true. The kit lens I got with my A7II should’ve been a 24-70 f4, not this piece it came with.
@admin not gonna say anything on the rumour Nikon buying Samsung?
Samsung is about 20 times the size of Nikon so buying Samsung would be impossible.
OK. “Camera and sensor division”…apparently.
Link?
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/
Fantastic, i will finally have a nikon fridge. Gonna call it ‘frikon’.
I’m more interested in the stikon stove.
Does it comes with VR? Coz you don’t wanna have a shaken beer or soda can~
Ofcourse, they are not amateurs like minolta that forgets to put vr in beercan. All nikon vr will be built into sodacan and beercan directly. But no IFIS. That is Sony faulty strategy
You don’t buy me out, I buy you out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DZNDEqcSi0
Sony stil has 28 days to announce 7 lenses in 2015 as promised last year.
http://www.sony.net/Products/di/lenses/roadmap.pdf
This is very clearly written:
“The roadmap is approximate, subject to change, and does not indicate actual release dates”
Some ‘roadmap’.
You’ll have to show me the bit where they promise.
This is a bit weird, but when they announce something it usually ships in almost half year. Shouldn’t be announced already? That feeds the hype of the pro body incoming and maybe Sony is waiting for other players to move and then smash them on their own party as did with Canon and the 5DS/R