Right before the CP+ show Sony will announce the new NEX-6/7 successor (price 800 Euro). And well, there is some hope the new E-Mount camera(s) will have on sensor stabilization! And actually it’s quite funny to notice that the info comes straight from Sony: Just see the update page on the APS-C non OSS lenses like the Zeiss 24mm at Sony Germany (Click here), Sony UK (Click here), Sony France (Click here), Sony Italy (Click here), Sony Holland (Click here). All non OSS E-mount lenses added the info that E-mount cameras now have on sensor stabilization!
UPDATE: You will notice that the Sony EU sites contain errors and this is likely because they are working on it in these days. Still, what doesn’t look like an error is that design of a E-mount camera with on sensor stabilization. So take everything with a grain of salt for now, but to me the image is pretty clear. They will likely change the text and specs. But the image? Hmmm…
A couple of months ago sources told me that Sony was working with Olympus to implement their world class leading(!) image stabilization. What I dont’ know yet is if the soon t be announced new generation of E-mount cameras will feature the three axis stabilization of the E-M10 (announced yesterday and specs here at Amazon) or the superb 5 axis stabilization of the E-M1 (specs here).
P.S.: I had a dream. 5axis stabilization the next generation of Full Frame E-mount cameras. That would make my day!
P.P.S.: It’s hard to rate a rumor based on Sony pages itself. That’s why it has the average SR3 ranking 🙂
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OMG
IT’S HAPPENING
http://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif
I never would go so far as to post the video
It’s about time Sony introduces SSI ( Steady Shot Inside – I don’t understand why people keep calling it IBIS…?? ) in the (formerly) NEX line. I hope they put the 5-axis in the A-mount bodies and both 3( entry levels) and 5-axis ( higer end ) in the E-mount ones.
IBIS = In Body Image Stabilization
It is a generic term, like an HD display
SteadyShot = Sony’s branding of IBIS
A copyrighted term, like retina display
The “Steady Shot” brand is a bit overloaded – SteadyShot, SteadyShot Inside, Super SteadyShot, Optical SteadyShot and Balanced/Active Optical SteadyShot.
Using a term like IBIS makes it clearer IMHO.
Sony bastards. Here I figured the A7 will be the last camera body I need to purchase for a while but if the A7 successor has a stabilized sensor, I will throw money at Sony once again. 🙂
Not as overloaded as ‘Mega OIS’ and ‘Power OIS’!
Maybe a typo ? Whats the point of developing OSS lenses then ?
If it would be a typo only. There is also an image clearly showing the NEX shape….hmmm…
true, that’s an amazing good news for manual lenses users !
Originally it was to keep the bodies small and Sony was aiming NEX at the P&S crowd. Panasonic have added it and they are like Sony, have opted for OIS, which in many cases is better anyway. But having both is a real plus, especially for adapted lenses.
Completely agree with this. It is very important to Panasonic because they set a precedent in that direction.
I would presume that only the higher end E-Mount cameras would carry IBIS. Or it might be a feature reserved for the DSLR shaped bodies given the extra size. Panasonic offer both lens and sensor based IS, usually the lens IS is better implemented as it can be tuned exactly for the lens. Also lens IS requires less power.
The image is of a traditional Nex style camera with IBIS
When NEX series was launched, Sony had been not collaborating with Olympus, and Sony’s IBIS in DSLRs was too unreliable to be used in “p&s replacement”. Maybe Olympus helped Sony with reliable and small IBIS. Or maybe after GX7 Sony decided IBIS is mainstream 😀
The reason? because Sony relies heavily on ZEISS to make high quality lens and ZEISS lens dont have OSS on it. In order to take full advantage of the ZEISS lens to stay ahead of the game they SHOULD implement the technology that they have in the next gen body… and thats why they are doing it (I think)
Zeiss doesn’t make Sony Carl Zeiss lenses. They only act as quality control.
The picture illustrated only 2-axis. 5-axis isn’t all its cracked up to be, the biggest difference for the Oly’s is that you can see it working… and their 2-axis was crap anyway. Their 5-axis system is way overhyped… like everything olympus TBH.
5-axis stabilization only moves the sensor along 2 axes. The 5-axis part is to do with the orientation sensors.
No.
Agree. 2-axis IBIS is better than no IBIS at all.
I think no IBIS at all is better. I would rather have the sensor precisely and rigidly positioned at exactly the right distance from the lens mount than have it flapping around like a sail in the breeze.
You know that 2 axis doesn’t shift the distance from the mount right?
It doesn’t work like that.
Not sure about third party lenses will work with sensor IS.
Sometimes the camera want to know the focal length before using IS.
So camera must communicate with the lens. Not all adapters does that.
But focal length could be set manually in camera, e.g when using M mode and primes.
So if Sony give us that option, all is ok.
But anyway, great with sensor IS if true.
That is my concern as well. If this cam is able to stabilize legacy glass, YAY! If it does not, DOH!
Awesome – but that bit of news has put me in a dilemma – should I now buy the A7R.. My legacy glass collection and the promise of an image stabilized full frame A7R successor would be something…
It’ll be a few years (probably 2-3 years) before you’ll see a Full Frame E-mount IBIS. You must take account that the difference in sensor size between APSC and Full Frame will result in new engineering difficulties.
I really think that the best way to go for manufacturers is improve the sensitivity of the APC sensors, so they can compare to Full frame in IQ terms.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130530094624.htm
Hope this is the solution to low light noice with small sensors in the long term, I found this more practical than changing the whole mount systems. And above all, I would hate to have to get rid of some great lenses.
Thks for this article, interesting :]
Well Sony already had IBIS on the A900/A850 , which is at worst only a couple of mm deeper than other DSLRs of the time { D700 etc }. I am not a great fan of image stabilization , while it has its uses they are often grossly over hyped. However , I think those who want it would be happy enough with a FF E-mount that was a little deeper to accommodate IBIS. As they move on the pattern seems to be for the top end mirrorless models to be a bit larger anyway to allow for better ergonomics and balance for larger lenses etc.
The caption says all E mount cameras have stabilzation.
We know that is not true and even if they put it in new cameras it will not be true.
Therefor THIS IS A FAKE RUMOR
I this were a true rumor however it would be great for both A and E mount users as the systems would be more interchangeable.
Yes, they may put some footnute on it syaing that this is valid only from the newer models toward.
Possible. It’s hard to imagine that there would be a mistake in different languages along with images that directly support the statement that the E-mount cameras will have in body stabilization. It’s not just a typo with a forgotten letter or word.
I’m going to hold off on my A7r purchase.
This would be very misleading, knowing that the just released A5000 is an E mount camera in the current line up (as is the A3000…) and does NOT have stabilization.
So the least they would have to adjust until the whole lineup gets replaced, is replacing the word “all” by “some”.
It’s definitely some kind of typo, because even if they do release new models with IBIS, this is still incorrect as previous models AND just released current models don’t have it. Doesn’t mean it’s not coming, just that this is factually incorrect.
THe whole page is stillhaving mistakes, it might as well mean they forgot the word ‘future’ between ‘all’ and ‘E-munt-cameras’
They could be working on the page reqriting right now.
forget about IBIS, the real news of the YEAR, if not DECADE is, that sony re-designed their horrible website!!!
Now one might actually be able to find products on there…
There are a ton of mistakes on that website. 😀
For one thing, the 16mm Fisheye is now a pancake lens! 😛
i know, and the FE55is for a-mount
and on the page of the SEL18105, there’s a whole paragraph about the SEL1670 being such a versatile lens xD
but for what it’s worth, it’s a long-due step in the right direction
There was plenty of misinformation before. For instance, up until 2 months ago the a99 product page stated that the a99 offered clean HDMI out @ 24 FPS. It does not. Some people were screwed over by that description.
Indeed some Sony Web Bozo browsed around their own site and got confused with alpha and a-mount etc. If Sony were working on e-mount IBIS, how come none of the thousands of more or less trusted sources haven’t mentioned anything… SR1, dreaming on… would be nice, but unlikely with Sony bringing out the few but new e-mount lenses with OIS.
:O x100
Seen the german sony website right now. This is a revolution!
Kazuo Hirai is doing a grrrrreat job!
(Kazuo please do Alpha-7000 in white too, not only black) jejeje
If this rumor/leak/mistake turns out to be true, I’d only be thrilled if they included a possibiliy to manually enter the FL of adapted glass, so one could use IBIS with just about any Lenses out there
Thats how Olympus and Panasonic do it. This feature is needed regardless for all F/E-Mount cameras
And A-mount as well!!!
Why is it needed regardless with all E-Mount lenses? Pentax have done this for ages too, but Sony have never done this with Alpha mount cameras (but they haven’t allowed full frame capture with crop lenses before either). Still stumped why you think E-Mount lenses will need it though, the camera knows what lens is attached with native mount lenses.
with natives, yes, but how about stabilize legacy glass and m-Mount glass and basically everything thats on the market? That’s what i’s also needed for.
Many SEL lenses (crop 16,20,24,30 and FF 35,55) lack stabilization, so why not?
And, they WOULD want NEX users to buy SAL lenses too. Or they would want SAL lenses owners to buy a new NEX (oops, ILCE) too. Adding IBIS to ILCE increases likelihood of both.
Yawnnn…
So… Eta on the a7r mk2?
useful IS, better jpg, at least 20mp, good evf and I’m in.
If this is true i will start buying a LOT of Sony stuff!=)
Willing to bet it’s a mistake.
Another E-mount camera… what about the spec for the new A-mount camera ?
you would still complain if the rumor was that e-mount could cure cancer, wouln’t you?
Absolutly not, this is totally rubish what you say..
I am just surprised about that there will be another E-mount camera.
i think you are a frustrated person and complain to almost everyone’s posting here SkyB
Well a good Nex 7 with IBIS would be something I would buy.
Even if the camera were thicker to fit it in?
That’s what I was waiting for! No. 1 wanted feature for use with old glass…
Damn hope it’s true and usable for old manual glass. Still weird that they simply say ALL E-Mount.
It’s not 1st April right!?
I’d say it is too early to tell whether this is going to happen. For now, there are too many typos and mistakes on Sony’s updated website. For instance, the SAL2470Z is listed as “Vario-Sonnar® T* FE 24-70 mm F4 ZA SSM”, which is obviously incorrect, since this lens is neither an FE lens, nor F4.
Typos are one thing, mixing up stuff as well, but designing and embedding the picture seen above along with an entire paragraph BY MISTAKE?!? Highly unlikely…
exactly. That is what I was thinking too. Doing a design like that is hardly a mistake. If it is we will make tons of jokes about Sony marketing for the coming years 🙂
So one Way or another, it’s to our advantage! xD
Let’s hope you’re right, Andrea. For now, all I see poor content management (aka copy & paste without proof-reading).
Have any of your trusted sources backed this up?
Nope, onlyhave been told they are working on it. Lately I noticed how Sony is spreading conflicting info about their roadmap. I think they are trying to hide the real stuff. For example same source got two opposite info from two opposite Sony guys. One saying nxt A-mount has SLT mirror and one saying it has not.
That’s why I am very conservative on rumors lately. But don’t worry, SR5 rumors will come…
“One saying nxt A-mount has SLT mirror and one saying it has not.”
Dual mode SLT mirror perhaps?
I agree. We can see many cases that proof Sony has a total mess in its product data management system. Maybe they don’t use a PDM system at all but type in all that info manually into the CMS…
Not sure about the quality of the Oly IBIS system, but in the test of stabilization I’ve seen Sony have always been on top with IBIS – over others that had more axis. Which isn’t exactly a surprise since minolta was first and probably tried some approaches before settling with the now sony version. I remember their IBIS patent came when most were doing film and people had all crazy ideas on how they would make it work with that.
Finally!!! Just what I wanted!
All vintage glass becoming Image Stabilized is a BIG selling point. Also, since the E Mount is so versatile in adapting A Mount glass, it makes total sense to have IBIS for A Mount lenses.
I think some marketing or website guy may have cocked up.
I agree.
Unless IBIS is a software hack that can be added to any e-mount body (including the discontinued NEXs) how can the statement “Because all E-mount cameras from Sony have SteadyShot image stabilisation (sic) built into the body you’ll enjoy smooth, blur-free results when shooting handheld.” ever be true? The fact it’s being advertised only in one non-OSS lens now and no firmware update has been announced, the assumption would have to be some in-the-know web developer jumped the gun and released a deep, dark Sony secret.
Anything’s possible. It certainly would make the a7R more attractive to me if IBIS gets added to it. I probably can deal with the mediocre AF because I’d keep my a65 for nature photography anyway. All that depends on how Sony’s consumer FF a-mount rumors pan out, naturally.
I’m hoping Sony gives us a decent roadmap at CP+ but I had the same hopes for CES and Sony sucked so bad at CES I couldn’t believe it. It’s impossible to underestimate Sony’s incompetent marketing.
On a side note, seeing how much nicer the European web sites are than the American one is it confirms that Sony hates us on this side of the pond. Seriously, Sony. I can’t emphasize enough how much your marketing in America blows!
(SR-666) All E-mount cameras have IBIS but it is disabled in firmware. New firmware version will be released that will enable IBIS.
OMG really????
RAWRARARARRAR!
What if a5000 has IBIS but will be activated through a firmware update? This would be a revolutionary move, innit? 🙂
The rumor should be even lower. The Sony websites have constant problems that never get fixed even after contacting them about obvious inaccuracies/errors. It’s been going on since late 2012 and if you’re ever in the market to buy a product that they advertise, then you must confirm the products capabilities from many other sources before diving in because of the idiot website people. If you ever call into Sony and ask to talk to an expert about one particular product, they aren’t experts, they just pull up the website and read directly from it. Go ahead and try it, the “expert” will read the error directly from the site, it’s aggravating, anything for a buck! “Hi, I’m an expert”
Sensor stabilization is overrated. The best sensor stabilization is a tripod.
Great, you take a tripod everywhere then….
But the also thiner (smaler) Lenser are needed !!!!!!!!
It only takes a firmware update and poof! All the lenses are tiny. It may come as a surprise to a whole bunch of folks that if there is no hardware for the software to control, nothing happens.
If this is a drawing of the to-be-announced NEX-7 successor than that might mean this quite big lens on that body could well be a new F2.8 Wide Zoom kit lens !? (just dreaming)
Finally!!! IBIS!! It’s about damn time Sony. This will give Sony an edge over Fujifilm… well if they could make some more decent compact lenses that is :p
Also it’s funny how you guys are all complaining. You should all be happy. This will benefit Sony in the long run. Do you all have buyers remorse or something because your current NEX body doesn’t have IBIS? Don’t be mad, pixelpeepers! Happy shooting!
Yes because Fuji film have SO many compact lenses 😉
Mmm… IBIS. Great for manual focus glass. Is this a subtle hint that Sony doesn’t intend to bring any useful or worthy *much needed* AF lenses in a near future ? 😉
Either this or this will allow Sony to make slightly smaller lenses due to not needing an OSS system embedded. Maybe this will push third party lens makers (Sigma, Tamron) to release longer primes too.
If this becomaes reality, the last advantage of the A-mount system is gone, and A mount can be discontinued. An SLR-like E-mount camera with IBIS and the LEA4 adapter will in fact be equivalent to todays A-mount camera. More than that, you will be far more flexible concerning lenses compared to a native A-mount camera.
+1
I have a room full of A-mount lenses but I will be delighted if this rumor is true because I will also be able to use my old legacy lenses.
Exactly. IBIS + adapter and E-mount dSLR sized body is the next logical step to replacing A-mount cameras. Gradually replace A-mount lenses and kill the system off.
Except I don’t find the ergonomics of compact Sony cameras to very good. Ironic the hot new Fuji is styled like a classic SLR. Sony, did you get that?
The OP said “SLR-like E-mount camera with IBIS and the LEA4 adapter “.
E-mount does not have to be compact, it’s only a lens mount size not the body size.
I’m trying to keep an open mind. I’d like to get my hands on an a7R here with a vertical grip and adaptor to see if it works for me but nobody sells them locally. I suspect the handling is still weaker than a SLT.
I get a hoot at the excitement over the Fuji XT-1 with e-mount fans because so much of it they should dislike. It’s bigger and a tip of a hat to the popularity of SLT bodies over anything shaped like a NEX.
A camera is either going to balance with an e-mount lens or an a-mount one. Hard to do both. Adapters are a bridge but don’t fix that.
I wouldn’t mind a mirrorless a-mount if I don’t lose performance. I wouldn’t mind them being a bit smaller. But right now I have zero interest in e-mount lenses. I’d prefer not to spend like $350 on an adapter just to use my large collection of a-mount glass.
I don’t see the point of a tiny lens e-mount attached enlarged to copy a SLT but I’m sure Sony can convince me. 😉
The Sony execs in October were pretty clear that IBIS on a7 or full frame e-mount is impossible unfortunately, but that’s great for aps-c a-mount users who may seek to adapt.
I hope nex 5 successor will have this.
Notice “ALL E-mount cameras from Sony have SteadyShot”. Because we know they do not have a mechanical IBIS, it means they will add electronic stabilization in firmware which crops sensor and only works in video (or at best for long exposures, like 1/5s and slower).
I do agree with you that IF this is true, and not some stupid typo (like all E-mount cameras released after …) that the only way this could work is by an electronc way of IBIS.
The only downside of electronic IBIS (and here it is that I do not agree with you) is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to work on stills. Electronc IBIS is comparing two frames in a video and taking away some camera motion by moving the immage slightly over the cropped sensor. This was the first way of in camera stabilisation for video, I believe JVC started with it…
For stills only real sensor shift can stabilize still immages. Maybe E-IBIS can stabilize mulitple shopt NR immages, by cropping a little and moving the [picture…
“On sensor IS” is electronic IS.
This is perfectly possible for stills. Information from a subset of pixels (the PDAF pixels?) could be processed to compare light captured at several time points while the shutter is open. This is similar to how HDR is implemented, only much faster. With a fully electronic shutter, each image could be composed of several sequential frames, and the image processor can adjust the alignment at multiple points (shifting and stretching as necessary)
Features integrated into the image sensor will ultimately replace all mechanical components of the camera.
Including the lenses!
http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v9/n9/full/nmeth.2114.html
“The only downside of electronic IBIS (and here it is that I do not agree with you) is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to work on stills. Electronc IBIS is comparing two frames in a video and taking away some camera motion by moving the immage slightly over the cropped sensor. This was the first way of in camera stabilisation for video, I believe JVC started with it…
For stills only real sensor shift can stabilize still immages. Maybe E-IBIS can stabilize mulitple shopt NR immages, by cropping a little and moving the [picture…”
This is exactly what I meant. If a photographer orders very long exposure, it can be split in several shorter exposures and they processed just like a video. Obviously, this is limited by sensor readout speed – unlike in video, you cannot just skip lines (which is bad for video too but widely exploited by everyone).
With sensor readout of Sony APS-C sensor being in the range on 1/10s, even for 2 frames (for minimal stabilization of about 1EV) you need at least 1/5s – hence the time limit I was talking about.
But you’ve missed another problem which is impossible to fix even with faster readout speeds – this line shifting cannot replace yaw and pitch shake which is a much bigger problem when shooting at low magnifications, and replacing rotational stabilization of Olympus 5-axis and 3-axis stabilizers (and Pentax 3-axis stabilizers) would require the kind of huge (supercomputing) processing power which is not available in cameras yet (if there is no sensor that detects rotation, if the sensor would be added, it would bring the processing needed only to correction which is much more reasonable although still large).
A 24mp A7000 with IBIS and good PDAF 55/1.8 zeiss would be a great portrait rig…
This is clearly a mistake, it would be too good to be true! Honestly, IMHO the people who make the webpage usually do not understand a lot about photography, so I am pretty sure the guys who made the homepage (and graphics) confused OSS with IBIS…
Well this is a MAJOR screw up if that’s true. I get that you could miss the details with just text, but they’ve actually made an image showing the sensor moving left and right and up and down. This has to be true.
If this has to be true, then it must be true. Oh, wait. Not a single e-mount still camera to buy that has SteadyShot shot. Oh. Then, maybe it is not true. Can not be. I saw it on the internet.
this isn’t a typo. if you browse trough the pages you will find an other drawing for OSS E-mount lens (same camera outline with 2 glasses and arrow placed in the lens part). and if you look at A-mount lens you will find the same draw of the steady shot sensor but with a SLT outline. the drawing does refer to a E-mount IBIS body.
the typo is in the text, or it means that all the current NEX will be discontinued soon and replaced by ILCE alpha-XXXX with IBIS which says a lot about Sony’s (dis)consideration regarding to their NEX customers.
Off topic: the whining about NEX name being drop is funny. I read this comment section and every day I find someone who still think that NEX is another division in Sony imaging like Cybershot and oppose it to Alpha. Nex is Alpha an the Alpha logo on my NEX 5N and NEX 6 confirm it.
Clearly NEX name create confusion and the new name wouldn’t be a problem If you weren’t too lazy to wrote Alpha 7/7r (it’s wrote on the box of my Alpha7r) instead of A7/7r.
Andrea Sony do have sensor stabilisation technology that until recently was way better than Olympus…
This might have changed since E-M1. Before it nothing came close to A700 and later A mount bodies featuring – Body Integral Super Steady Shot
Before E-M1, E-M5 and later E-P5 already had better stabilization than Sony.
How could correcting for two different kinds of shake be better than correcting for five? The Olympus 5-axis system counteracts pitch, yaw, roll, horizontal and vertical shift.
This is a mistake. Sonia has changed in all countries and there is a site pad guys with Sony, I was informed about this error, should fix
And how the heck did they make that design of a sensor stabilization on a NEX? How can you make an error by designing this?
Admin
This could be a fake or it could be true and filled with errors.
I am sure we will find out the truth eventaully.
The inportant thing is you took the chance to bring us this information even and were willing to take the risk.
For that I thank you and applaud what you are doing.
I do indeed hope it turns out to be true but either way thank you.
Well, it is not true, and unlikely to happen, however the fake image is true on the official Sony web site. That is still information, for whatever that may mean (internal discussion at Sony or bozos in marketing). So nevertheless that is what a rumor site is for…
Admin – you’re right in implying that the Sony camera websites are a mine-field of misinformation. Try figuring out which lenses are crop-only, or which foot a flash has. Your head might explode.
I hope it’s true – but you were right to keep this one at a lower confidence level.
http://www.sony.net/Products/di/en-us/products/index.html
This is the best resource from Sony I have seen so far about cameras
I guess it’s only Sony USA that doesn’t know their products then 🙂
This sony.net thing I found by chance. I am not sure if it is affiliated with geography.
Your observation about Sony USA pretty mch coincides with my impressions form couple of country specific sites.- very difficult to use. Just yesterday a friend was confused that 1st generation NEX cams use uncompressed raw which is go course untrue.
The rumor should be even lower. The Sony websites have constant problems that never get fixed even after contacting them about obvious inaccuracies/errors. It’s been going on since late 2012 and if you’re ever in the market to buy a product that they advertise, then you must confirm the products capabilities from many other sources before diving in because of the idiot website people. If you ever call into Sony and ask to talk to an expert about one particular product, they aren’t experts, they just pull up the website and read directly from it. Go ahead and try it, the “expert” will read the error directly from the site, it’s aggravating, anything for a buck! “Hi, I’m an expert”
As an advocate of OSS over IBIS… I have to say due to the inability to make small lenses for the NEX I’ve finally come around to IBIS.
If IBIS means smaller lenses then bring it on!
+ 1000
with no oss and no af they could make pancake prime compact and affordable
5-Axis IBIS on video is the only thing that would prevent me from abandoning this system with no lens roadmap and poor lens selection
Its great news if true for those don’t yet own e mount cameras. But might be really bad news for existing owners especially those who just bought a7/a7r. I see a huge drop in resale value if true.
That would be terrible, another nail into the A-Mount’s coffin
On the German Sony Site they write: …Da alle E-Mount-Kameras von Sony über eine in das Gehäuse integrierte SteadyShot-Bildstabilisierung verfügen, genießen Sie bei handgeführten Aufnahmen gestochen scharfe, unverwackelte Ergebnisse…
If this is true, happy happy happy time coming really soon now…
Also, I wonder if this means I can have my Nex-7 updated… 😉
The make the same claim for the SEL20F28
http://www.sony.de/electronics/kamera-objektive/sel20f28
I have a good feeling about this. It cant be a typo as it comes with an illustration.
Now if you got an OSS lens attached, what would happen? Do both work at the same time or do you have to turn one off?
Now I’m excited about the upcoming new FF bodies may have this as well.
Exciting times ahead fellas!
http://i.imgur.com/upkU6Ll.png
If I select a lens with OSS, this is what it say (see pic above). Looks like OSS is superior than Steady Shot
I think it will be an option in the menu just as in the m43 world when you attach panasonic lens onto a olympus camera.
Unless I missed something, the website listed by Kiril omits the A Mount SLT Cameras. This is a bit disconcerting.
This is exciting without a doubt, but ever since Fuji released their XT1, it just reminded me of their fantastic lens lineup and future lenses to come such as those planned F2.8 weather sealed zooms.
As another option I would’ve added to the earlier poll posted about what Sony can learn from Fuji, is their commitment towards an enthusiast level APSC model. Though the rumored $800 NEX7 replacement doesn’t necessarily spell disaster, I also can’t see this competing anywhere near the XT1 or EM1.
Even if Sony were to come out with cheaper FF options down the road as was rumored, I don’t want to feel I have to jump to FF just to get an upgrade down the road. Then again, if Sony releases plenty of small, high quality primes at F1.8 then I wouldn’t mind making the jump. I just couldn’t imagine using those large zoom lenses. I bought into mirrorless for a reason.
Just my thoughts. Again, totally excited about this rumor, but at this point I’m more concerned about the direction of Sony’s APSC models and lens offerings.
The rumors about an 800$ camera could be misleading. So far, they just suggest that a nex-6/nex-7 successor will be released around 800$ at CP+. That would leave a big gap in the mirrorless line-up between the 800$ camera and the A7. In terms of market, that would mean that Sony leave the enthusiast mirrorless to MFT and Fuji. This would be a TERRIBLE move market-wise.
This leaves 2 options :
1) Sony will release an enthusiast camera but a)not now (Photokina maybe?) or b) we just haven’t heard rumors about it yet.
2) Sony abandons the high-end APS-C mirrorless
I don’t think Sony can abandon the high-end APS-C mirrorless. Maybe the high-end APS-C is the rumored A-E mount camera and we will see it later, with a DSLR-shaped body. I think this option is likely as it will be competing with the EM-1 and Fuji XT-1, both DSLR-styled mirrorless.
It is clearly a mistake.
“””Because all E-mount cameras from Sony have SteadyShot image stabilisation”””
Even if they release a new ILCE with IBIS, unlikely that they would immediately discontinue older ILCE/NEX without IBIS.
Though I’d not rule out the possibility of adding IBIS to E-mount, I think SR3 rating is too optimistic.
There should be a reader vote on each rumor, a) I believe it, b) never ever, or c) what the heck.
this IBIS are the only reason keeping my A mount camera.
i have no problem using nex with big lenses, i can handle it even with my 70-200/2.8 but with a grip would be even more handy.
just give us an option to input the FL with non chip lens just like pentax did, my alpha keep makes my shutter 1/30 no matter what non chip lens attached.
but i bet the ibis on NEX body would be only 2 axis and the bigger alpha will be new 5 axis ibis, if that happen i really really want LIVE BULB PREVIEW a’la OMD with their very2 stable 5 axis they can make 1 second handheld and the LIVE BULB very very helping them, I WANT THIS FEATURE ON my next A88 and ill keep living in A and E mount world till the day of 5 axis ibis implement on small A9 body, then YOU can shut down A-Mount for sure
They also claim the SEL1670 is a headphone.
http://www.sony.de/electronics/kamera-objektive/sel1670z
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s2/sh/e1fee2cb-bd30-475e-a116-7c8c5296a872/6f3dbb52f4c6264bc1a9808e04d9a84d
At last, if late! IS should have come integrally with the A7.
When Sony produce a FF A8, 24 mpx without AA filter and with IS, I’ll buy into the system. What chances of it being good for 4 or 5 stops’ stabilisation though — as reliable as Nikon?
Holy crap, if there’s a real chance of FF E-mount getting IBIS (I already gave up on it) in a generation or two, I’m postponing my body upgrade indefinitely.
It’s thinking like that, that has prevented me from upgrading my body since I bought my A900 many years ago.
I was thinking in buying the new Fuji, but if IBIS comes… I may stay with Sony 🙂
since almost every sony e lens has OSS and there are very few that don’t have it this feature is nice to have but it won’t save any money and actually will increase the camera cost.
It’s good Sony is giving e-mount this outdated technology and keeping the good stuff for us Alpha users. 5 axis here I come.
in the very near future: rangefinder E-mount APS-C cameras with 2 or 3-axis IBIS, later this year: DSLR style cameras with interchangeable mounts (A-mount included), advanced IS and fast, sensor shift AF that works with all the lenses in the world…
next year: A7 successor with IBIS.
I have an Olympus camera with IBIS and usually leave it off. It can help in a narrow range of exposures but can also cause problems. Better to have than not have but I don’t think it is a reason to switch or upgrade or wait to buy a camera over. Much better to have an extra stop of clean ISO performance than IBIS.
I think IBIS is an essential feature — one of the reasons I stick with A-mount over E-mount.
Bringing it to E-mount would be a big advantage for Sony, IMO.
I would also like to see improvements, like the 5-axis stabilization.
Essential – such a strong word. A way to change exposure is essential. Accurate color rendition is essential. A shutter release is essential. A way to change shutter speeds is essential.
Given that the vast majority of users do not absolutely need IBIS or EFC to get great photos… let’s at least say they are important to you rather than critical to the success of any system.
They aren’t
OK, if you would like to get technical, it is not an essential feature in a camera. Using your definition, there are no essential features to differentiate cameras, as every camera ever made has every “essential” feature.
It is an essential feature for me, meaning that I would not consider a camera that lacks the feature. I was not trying to speak for everyone on the planet. But IBIS was one of the major reasons I chose an A-mount camera — I find having image stabilization when using primes or even old lenses to be very useful, and I can say it has been “essential” in capturing certain shots that otherwise would not have come out sharp.
Too bad the 7r did not have an EFC and IBIS. I think I would have it by now. Now the search for a smaller camera continues. If there is a possibility the next 7 will possibly have it then why didn’t either the 7 or 7r have it. Does the size of the sensor have anything to do with that omission?
We all know the great market of legacy manual focus lenses on NEX cameras. The inclusion of IBIS is a logical step, too, because people are tired (I think) of extremely little advanced NEXes (NEX-5 models), and do bigger cams is no wrong idea. Little NEX-3N (ok a-5000) with pancake zooms and bigger cameras with IBIS.
Uff, sorry for my English.
FINALLY! (if it becomes reality) Sony is in the right track. It’s the killer functionality missing today. Personally I look forward to a 24MP a7r, with fully articulated display. By then, the AF and shutter issues will be resolved too.
What would it mean for A-Mount then?
People won’t understand why choose A-Mount over E-Mount anymore
Hope this is just a rumor…
For DSLR alpha line they included a different picture depicting DSLR shape. So it is not a simple typo.
http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/camera-lenses/sal1118
My guess that they soon will change from “built into the body” to “built into the lens”. The picture was not meant to be published YET, so they will remove it soon.
Apparently the same team of penguins that write scripts for the Family Guy show got a part time job at Sony.
Well as this happens just when the whole website is redesigned, I wonder if some marketing guy did misunderstand technical info, and gave webmasters wrong directions !
Do we believe sony the countless times they said E mout will not and cannot ever have ibis. Or do we believe this error riden c ‘ll aim that E mount will have ibis…I dont know.
I do ho poo e this rumor is true. It would be good for A mount users to be able to use E mount if they choose.
I cannot use E mount because it will not do everything I need it to do and is not sufficiently compatabre with my A mount lenses.
By making my lenses compatabe E mount still may not do everything I want but since it would be compatable I could add an E mount body to my system for the times when I would use it.
Bottom line…ibis on E mount would be a great if it were true.
Are you sure that Sony said that “E mount will not and cannot ever have IBIS”? All I remember hearing is that they will continue to develop both A and E mount side by side.
The comments that I am reffering to were statements made to indivduals by Sony representitives such as …E mount can never hsve ibis because the mount does not have enough clearence….this is not an exact quote and I do not know of any actual Sony release or official statement of that nature so the credibilty of these statements is quite low.
I merely point out that it is too soon to either believe or disbelieve this rommer but it is fun to talk about it.
I think you’ve misinterpreted marketing descriptions for saying that the e-mount system can’t have IBIS. All manufacturers do this, to make a disadvantage sound like an advantage even though it isn’t. There is no reason it can’t have IBIS. Sony and Pentax have APS-C sensors with IBIS and Olympus has mirrorless IBIS. The mirrorless segment competition has now heated up and Sony has to bring out more features to get the edge over the other brands. It is entirely realistic that they can put IBIS into e-mount bodies. Panasonic has done it well with the GX7, if the lens has IS built in it will use that, and when no IS is detected in the lens it will switch to IBIS automatically.
wow….when can we buy this =)))
NEX FullFrame with 5-axis in-camera stabilization 24MP without anti-aliasing filter sensor would make my day! SONY SONY SONY!