The video on top shows a video made with the new [shoplink 7207]Sony NEX-C3[/shoplink] and a set of M-mount lenses:
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Leica Summicron-M 28/2 ASPH ([shoplink 7997 ebay]auctions on eBay[/shoplink])
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Glidetrack Shooter SD ([shoplink 8001 ebay]auctions on eBay[/shoplink])
Zacuto DSLR baseplate / Rails ([shoplink 8006 ebay]auctions on eBay[/shoplink])
Manfrotto 535 CF / 503 HDV ([shoplink 8007 ebay]auctions on eBay[/shoplink])
Sony NEX-C3 first look at SonyAlphaLab (Click here).
Sony HX9V Review by Thom Hogan (Click here): “It fits in a shirt pocket and it has a lens that goes from here to there, exactly as you’d want. For the small sensor size, the results are (barely) up to snuff in stills at low ISO, great in video. A serious shooter can do worse with some of the other compacts. Far worse in a few cases.” See the HX9V at [shopcountry 7597].
Picture effects tested on the Sony A55 at DC.watch (japanese).
A Sony NEX-C3 review by David Pogue from the New York Times (Click here). See the NEX-C3 at [shopcountry 7207].
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Andrea, any pics of a77 consumer models? Not talking about the pre-production model here! 🙂
Nice video. Only daylight?
Nice place 😀
Whow, extremely expensive manual lenses with overkill capacity for 720p, but no follow focus. Nevertheless nice impression!
Dude any lens is an overkill for 720p
Even 1080p.
That said any 1080 and even most 720 videos still look blotchy cause of bad codecs. They are all nowhere near sharpness and resolution quality to be worth calling them FullHD
Only thing full hd on them is frame size and file size…
Dude any lens is an overkill for 720p.
Even 1080p.
That said any 1080 and even most 720 videos still look blotchy cause of bad codecs. They are all nowhere near sharpness and resolution quality to be worth calling them FullHD
Only thing full hd on them is frame size and file size…
Not every lens attached to a NEX is an overkill – just think about some CCTV lenses: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/new-35mm-f1-7-e-mount-lens-from-slrmagic/
You’d get better quality with a NEX-FS100, because the sensor is optimised for film, while so far I haven’t found information how the NEX-5 is calculating it’s FullHD pixels out of these four sensor pixels used for one of them. But nearly every standard photography lens should be enough for that anyway, of course.
There is a big hole in a market:
Cheap FAST lens optimized for video, and I don’t mean some crappy cctv, but proper APC lens which gives enough resolution for 2 megapixels = FullHD
Well, since the diagonal used for FullHD on the NEX-5’s APS-C is nearly the same as μ4/3 uses for photography there should be several quality lenses available for NEX video with only OSS missing, of course, because real film makers do not like pumping auto focus at all…
The only Problem is that optimizing lenses for video is anything but cheap and that although the Sensor Output is only 2 Mega-pixels on FHD, the Signal is recorded on a chip having more then 10 Mega-pixels by just skipping lines. Any DSLR footage I’ve seen so far wasn’t even coming close to footage of a Professional camcorder as the PMW-F3 the F35 or a HDCAM with a Professional 35mm DOF Adapter. This is mainly due to the fact that the camcorders record in Native resolution with more dynamic range and less compression and up to 4:4:4 Sampling. Unlike DSLR-Lenses lenses optimized for video have to transmit a precise amount of light at each t-stop so that they match each other. Beside from that things such as cromatic abberation or flare control can be way more important on video than they are on still images in which you can easily fix such issues in post.
the GH2 comes close in terms of resolution, for now
Well it might look a little better then dslr videos because of the codec and fewer bokeh making it less sensitive to compression by web players but if you compare such footage to footage shoot on a real camcorder it will still appear somewhat soft, lacking of detail, dynamic range and so on.
Indeed I even found that footage shoot on professional camcorders in 1080p and played back in 720p on web players might look quite a bit better then DSLR videos such as those numerous shoot by the 5d MarkII e.G. in 1080p and played back at 1080p (i don’t know if the canons record i or p but i think unlike the Sony’s they can record progressive, although that that doesn’t mean that it necessarily has to look better in the end result)
It doesn’t. It does exactly the same thing as all the other large sensor CMOS cameras do – drop lines (pixel binning). For each line it keeps, it drops three. That’s why lens quality is of utter importance when it comes to this type of video recording. It’s the equivalent of looking at a photo at 100% magnification – so good lenses matter a lot.
Can’t wait for A77 sample video!
BTW does anybody know the C3’s film crop factor? Might be bigger than 1.8 before with the higher resolution sensor.
23.4 x 15.6 mm as always
No, Sandro, the film crop factor depends on the effective size used for FullHD recording. The NEX-5 has 4592 x 3056 pixels and is using only an area of 3840 x 2160 pixels for FullHD – four sensor pixels for one film pixel, so the film crop factor is 1.8. The NEX-3 is using the same area for 720p, but nine sensor pixels for one film pixel. Since the C3 has 4928 x 3280 pixels on a same sized sensor, it’s film crop factor might be more than 2.1 – the grid would give a clue, since it marks the film recording area…
NEXfive, does it mean that the effective focal length of a lens is multiplied by this factor?
Sorry for my naive question, I am not an expert in this field.
The Crop Factor gives you the full frame equivalent of a lens concerning it’s angle of view. So Sony’s SEL-16F28 on photography shows as much as a 24mm full frame lens (16mm x 1.5) and something near 28mm in video mode (16mm x 1.8). But it’s only a crop, that does not change the optical characteristic of a lens:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_factor
Thank you NEXfive. That´s what I was affraid of. The better camera, the more pixels and the bigger the crop factor for video. That results in a transformation of even wide angle lenses into something like telephoto lenses.
The moral obviously is: if you want to shoot video in wide angle mode don´t buy the new stuff (or buy a dedicated video camera?). It´s kind of dissapointing for me.
So far I don’t know the NEX-C3’s video crop factor. Only calculating makes 2.1 quite likely. Same for the forthcoming NEX-5N if it gets the same sensor.
My only unfulfilled need on my NEX-5 is also a super wide angle, since I’m having more than enough wonderful and mostly fast Canon FD glass here, but my full frame 20mm only comes to something like 30mm on my NEX-5 or 36mm in FullHD.
I’ve decided now for Sony’s SEL-16F28 with VCL-ECU1 and VCL ECF1, which provide enough quality for video anyway. These three combinations result in full frame equivalents of 24/29mm (photography/video) without Adapter, 18/22mm as super wide angle and 15/18mm as fisheye. If you need it wider so far only Samyang’s 8mm Fish Eye is an option:
http://www.photozone.de/sony-alpha-aps-c-lens-tests/665-samyang8f35nex
So if the NEX-C3 and NEX-5N’s video crop really comes over 2, you won’t get these wider than full frame equivalents of 24 and 20mm with Sony’s SEL-16F28 plus converters or 16mm with Samyang’s Fish Eye – but I’ll keep my NEX-5 anyway 😀
Yes, that´s the way to go. Thanks again.
So if the Leica small and fast range finder lenses work fine on NEX-C3, why doesn’t Sony make similar small and fast range finder type AF lenses instead of (exception of 16mm f/2.8) the slow SLR type large and long barreled lenses it is currently producing?
Samsung & Panasonic can do it, why can’t Sony?
Well, there are only a few wide angle lenses that really fulfil those requirements you’re claiming as common, nevertheless Sony’s got some space for improvement here. But if you check these alleged small and fast “pancakes” from other companies, only those for EVIL cameras really count, since you’ve got to add the space for the mirror, which makes most of those pancakes a wedding cake when you honestly count the their length from the sensor. On the other hand serving an APS-C image circle properly requires a lot more of glass construction than a μ4/3 one. APS-C lenses are smaller than full frame already, but they’ll never be that small as those equivalents for μ4/3 down to your cell phone…