Sony A77II focus points dancing around 🙂
A6000 review at Engadget.
A6000 review at ePhotozine.
Sony’s Full-Frame Warpath (Diglloyd)
What *is* it with the Sony A6000? (Imaging Resource).
Thoughts on Panasonic GH4 and GH4 Video Quality vs Sony A7s (Diglloyd)
Sony FE 70-200mm test at Yodobashi.
18-105mm F4 G OSS at DCfever.
YONGNUO Smart Adapter from Canon EF to Sony E-mount on [shoplink 26620 ebay]eBay (Click here)[/shoplink].
A6000 review at Cnet.
Zeiss Touit 32mm f/1.8 Planar on Sony A7R: Usable Full-Frame Area (Diglloyd).
Christian: “I just completed a lengthy comparison of the Sony E-Mount zoom lenses for APSC bodies such as the 5N and A6000.
Pixel-peepers can download those comparisons or just read the conclusions here: http://luxorphotoart.blogspot.de/2014/05/pixep-peeping-comprehensive-zoom-lens.html Maybe this is of interest of other SAR readers who still wonder what to expect from those lenses?“
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A77II tracking looks pretty good. Shot with the A99 this week for a change. Its lack of focus points is glaringly obvious!! But Sony seems to be on top of that with the A77II so hopefully the A99II is not too far away….
Do you not have lenses that support the Hybrid AF? I’ve wondered how that will compare to the AF system on the A77II. I’m not about to go FF but hopefully there will be comparisons. Perhaps Sony are saving the Hybrid AF plus A77II increase in “normal” AF points coverage for the A99II.
Hybrid works fine. But they are all crammed in the centre so really don’t improve the situation…But as I mentioned. Looks like Sony are throwing a lot of resources at AF. So looking forward to what is round the corner…To be honest I thought the AF on my A7 was more useful since the AF point area is so much larger. While the A99 although focused slightly faster (only just) in the real world is slower, due to being forced to find focus and recompose..
The way the edge AF points still seem to work looks impressive. Even against strongly backlit scene. It seems the slideshow effect is still there though.
Backlit is easy.. high contrast.. Will it destroy 5d3’s AF (if something similar comes to A99II)? Would be great to differentiate themselves in the AF game. Something they are keen on lately anyway (AF).
Cnet continues to judge cameras by JPEG output and while Sony’s JPEG engine has improved, it seems to still trail Nikon’s slightly (at least looking at the cnet A6000 test). A lot of people won’t process raw, so the cnet test is interesting in this regard. I’d like them to tests output as well, but they’re not really a photography centric site.
It always amazes me that people buy a high end camera but tie 1 hand behind their back by shooting jpeg. I get that there are some scenarios where it makes sense (where you need a result immediately and won’t be doing any post-processing), but from all the complaining here about jpeg engines here, it looks like it’s the norm for a lot of readers…
I’ve wondered that myself because of the high ISO complaints. I’d wager that the number of people here that shoot RAW and know how to use LR is pretty low judging by some comments.
I was out shooting with the A77 at the weekend using CAF and wishing I had the AF points of the A77II. I will have soon though. 😉
Only if you have the special sony proprietary lenses that support it.
Can anyone confirm this? My understanding is a small number of lenses aren’t supported. I’ve not seen anything to suggest that 3rd party lenses won’t work with the new af system.
That is my understanding too, and it is 18 points out of 79.
It is likely to be the outer-most points – I’m not sure which – but it is a small percentage and therefore not a major limitation.
Barry, I don’t think the brand. As I said in the other comments section, I reckon this is a light fall-off issue that causes only 61 AF points to be usable with the outer ones not getting enough light. Any lens for any brand will or will not have the issue depending on their light fall-off.
I could of course be wrong, this is pure speculation. I don’t very much that it is anything to do with the manufacturers name on the lens.
From memory, people have said this was an issue on the 7d (again, light fall off as opposed to brand)
I love that word: only.
Like any other APS-C offers 61 AF sensors.
Yeah but I have a crappy cheapo lens on my grands worth of camera and I want all 79 AF points to work with it. Anyway because of this I am jumping ship to CaNikon. 😉
The SAL1118 is the only ultra-wide lens that Sony offer for the camera, and it’s hardly a cheapo one. The SAL55300 is far from crappy too; it’s actually a great little compact telephoto.
Losing 18 focus points isn’t the end of the world, but it isn’t the case that only worthless lenses are affected.
You really need to lighten up.
Barry, I realise this isn’t the camera you wanted, but you should not spread FUD.
In answer to several comments here
The owners manual indicates that some of the advanced and high speed focus features only work on certain Sony lenses.
Until this camera gets into the hands of people who will test it we do not know for 100% certain that this is the case.
It is far better however to start with the assumption that the owners manual is correct than it is to expect this camera to work with lenses that it does not .
The manual lists a handful of lenses that I wouldn’t have if you gave them to me, they aren’t exactly great performers.
Had the 16-50, 70-200, 70-400 been in that list then yes, you’d have a point, but they aren’t.
Stop it with the FUD, this is potentially an excellent AF performing camera, don’t dismiss and find faults with it just because it doesn’t suit YOUR continuing unrealistic 5000gigapixel needs.
Fact
The new high speed focus ONLY works with proprietary Sony lenses thst are specifically desighned for the new system.
3rd party lenses must also be specifically desighned for it and I do not know of any that exist.
Call sony if you dont believe me.
Barry, you’ll have to forgive me if I don’t believe “facts” from a person who has got their predictions wildly wrong based on a mysterious Sony source.
I don’t see how the additional AF points will be anything more than standard f5.6 ones (some of which are cross and the centre being f2.8).
I believe that the AF points will function with any lens that can provide sufficient light when wide open to reach the outer points. Most good lenses from ANY manufacturer will work, some poorer lenses will not and a handful of those Sony lenses NOT working with all 79 points is in the manual.
This is not the Hybrid AF system from the A99 that requires lens support, are you sure you haven’t confused the two?
Then call sony..you will have to believe them.
The ospdaf system is proprietary and ONLY works with special proprietary lenses just like the A99.
Normalfocus will work but you will not have the super high speed tracking focus that is this cameras most important feature.
Otherwise bury your head in the sand and buy a camera that will not do what you think it will.
It is still a good camera but unless you use special lenses will focus like the a77.
Some of the focus features will work and I am not 100% certain which ones but most definitely some of the focus features will only work on certain lenses.
We will have to await testing for a full list.
Barry, the A77II does not have OSPDAF.
Barry, you are confused.
The A77II focus system may be optimized for some Sony lenses (as is the usual case with all camera releases) but the new AF system should work with all lenses, Sony, Minolta, and 3rd party.
I tested the camera, and I noticed no anomalies with any of my broad range of lenses.
You are an imposter.
No confusion here.
Why what? You are clearly confusing the Hybrid AF on the A99 that requires supported lenses to use all 100+ AF points with the standard PDAF module on the A77II that just needs “good” lenses to give the outer AF points plenty of light. Get it into your head Barry that they are not the same AF system.
I don’t think that you actually understand how AF works as you clearly don’t understand the difference between the A99 and A77II AF systems. In fact you thought the A77II has OSPDAF which speaks volumes as to the level of your understanding.
Seriously Barry, whoever it is you are talking to in Sony is as clueless as you are regarding AF and knowing how poor Sony employees are when talking about their own products, that doesn’t surprise me!
You must be a genius. ..could have fooled me though
The manual says it only works with certain lenses
Sony says it only works with certain lenses
But you without ever having seen one of these cameras think you know better.
So buy yours now…I will see first if sony has actually made any serious improvements that will work with my lenses.
Have a look at the uploads here:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDCAs99xKlQoaMaN6NRaYvA
Well that didn’t work!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec5-Cz-RWx8&list=UUDCAs99xKlQoaMaN6NRaYvA&feature=share&index=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlhDL3EdpR4&list=UUDCAs99xKlQoaMaN6NRaYvA&feature=share&index=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcL-f3pTVsA&list=UUDCAs99xKlQoaMaN6NRaYvA&feature=share&index=3
Interesting about the touit – can’t see many people using it on an a7 when the 35/2.8 is only another £100…
The Tamron 150-600mm lens is now one step closer to being realeased for Sony mount.
Nikon mount just started shipping so Sony is next.
Those wide range zooms usually produce soft images specially at the long end 600.
But it’s nice to have a 600mm in this size of lens
Went shooting with my Tamron 200-500mm this weekend. Snapped a baby osprey (and momma until she scooted). 500mm, f/8.0, 1/400, handheld, no cropping, ISO 100 on a65 body:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5237/14207561884_ffcdb19e9a_b_d.jpg
Is the Tamron going to get me on the cover of NatGeo? Too funny to think about but my photography sucks and is only a hobby so no worries there. Is the Tamron soft? Certainly. When Sony offers their 500mm prime on sale for under $2k I’ll up my game (should happen the day after hell freezes over). ;^)
I’m definitely pondering the 150-600mm. Early reviews showed it’s a better performer than my 200-500mm. My main issue is weight. The 200-500mm is light for the category (yet very well constructed, IMHO) but still one heck of a load to haul around all day. Oh, and there is the minor issue of another $1k for a lens after buying my 200-500mm for just under $1k only this past November!
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/reviews/lenses/129498/4/tamron-sp-150-600mm-f-5-6-3-vc-usd-review
More Lenses PLEASE! A something MM F1.2 from Sony would be splendid!
I have the sigma 50-500 and have preordered the tamron 150-600 as an upgrade.
Thats one of those lenses I dont think the a77II supports..and I am sure it does not support any of my existing macro lenses.
The Sigma ‘bigma’ 50-500mm weights just about the same as the Tamron 150-600mm. So what are your impressions hand-holding it?
I just looked at a couple of reviews. On the one hand, the Tamron doesn’t impress reviewers at 400-600mm. On the other hand, I reconfirmed it tests sharper at most f-stops on the long end than my 200-500mm which I suppose I can live with.
The Dotline dl-v9 is absolutely perfect for this size lens…makes handholding effortless…must have.
If you use C size sensor camera shoot at f8 with the new tamron 150-600.
The one other thing I add to my dl-v9 is a arca swiss quick release plate to but you may not need that.
Barry, stop it with the FUD, you are making yourself look even more ridiculous. Of course your lens will work on the A77II, if it works on the A77 it’ll work on the A77II.
I like how my A7r focus points dance around too, but on the background instead.
Nice photo Earl .. love the composition .. really wonderful photo.
We are hobbiests so we shouldn’t look after those expensive 500mm f4 and 300mm 2.8, but did you saw the minolta 600mm f4 ?
I had the cheapest ever made Sigma 70-300, I bought it for $169 and I was happy with it.
When I felt that I needed more reach I was looking after the Bigma 50-500, BUT I found Minolta 600mm F4 for $4000, I couldn’t resist and I broke my piggy bank.
As for IQ it is a second to none,but poor AF speed ,Heavy ! so damn heavy it weighs 8KG with A77 attached .. I still love it.
here is a sample of minolta 600mm with Sony a7 (after retouching for sure)