Warning! Don’t show that post to your Canon friends, they could become very angry 😉
It’s right, Canon has a much wider lens range and a more professional/complete system. But you can no longer say that Canon sensors are really better than Sony sensors. De facto DxOmark (Click here) proved that Sony do deliver a better image quality than Canon sensors! See the image on top. The new [shoplink 6011]Canon 600D[/shoplink] gets easily beaten by both SLT and DSRL Sony models. Also the much more expensive [shoplink 6012]Canon 7D[/shoplink] can’t come close to the Sony cameras (Click here to see that at DxOmark). Now let’s hope Sony can prove to be a reliable system by releasing new lenses too and by improving their customer service. If that happens I am sure they will get much closer at Canon in terms of sales share.
Check out those direct links to see price and specs of the cameras:
Sony A55 at [shopcountry 3617].
Sony A33 at [shopcountry 3620].
Canon T3i/600D a [shopcountry 6011].
Canon 7D at [shopcountry 6012].
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I can feel the rage of fanboy burning~ Take cover~!!! XO
It was about to happen sooner or later. Canon doesnt think, they simply cram as much mpix into sensor as possible and hope customers will buy it.
While you can do that in compact camera market without any negative consequences (Panasonic “crap-o-matic” FZ100), you cant do same in dSLR market, cause guess what? dSLR users demands quality (and unfortunately for Canon, they demand 100% pixel view quality).
If Canon waited a bit, until their RD finish some sensor with decent mpix/per-pixel quality ratio, they could win this battle or at least keep up.
Though, we dont need to worry about them, Canon users have blindfold pretty much as Nikon ones. As soon as product reach market, they simply run like lemmings to buy another toy.
If they thought for moment, they would probably buy Sony or Pentax K-5. And if you dont mind some lens problems, K-5 is pretty much best current APS-C. But its much easier to buy Sony and Zeiss. Ofc you can have Zeiss for K-5 too, just only MF.
We knew that already. The 7D, 550D and 600D all use the same sensor.
I knew my NEX5 has better dynamic range than my 5D2, and DXO confirmed my suspicion.
congratulations! (and did this fact improve your photographic skills as well?)
old stuff, move along, move along. 😉
Well, first Pentax and now Sony. Only makes me wonder how phenomenal this NEX-7 is going to be.
Pentax doesn’t make sensor. K-x, K-r and K-5 has Sony sensor. K-7 and K20 had Samsung.
I demand 14bit!
This doesn’t make me feel any better about only shooting with an a300
Thumb up for Sony and Pentax (alsoSony sensor). However, Sony need to expand their lens lineup fasterfor both A and E mount.
Even GF1 with 20mm has better IQ than Nex kit lens…
+1
Took Sony 3 years to beat Canon in its own game.
We have yet to get the a77 if the profecies are right it will be the end of an era dominated by canikon
Seriously? This is makes you happy? Out-specing a low end Canon?
Swap the Canon for a D7000 and run those numbers again. Oh, not so much chest thumping now with your translucent mirror toy eh?
Finally found a buyer (sucker) for my @700.
Done with this toy brand once and for all.
The Nikon D7000 uses the same Sony sensor that the a55 and a580 uses, so I’m not really sure what that would prove…
Ok, swapped. Sony a55 still outperforms canon 7d, i tried swapping with d3x, d700, d300, 5dm2, 1dm4, canon 7d score still lower than a55. I guess you were right calling 7d low end, cause raising sensor score with swapping is a high end feature.
when comparing 2 camera body with the same sensor, bothe D7000 and a580 they both get the same overall score, i don’t know what’s your point… now we can compare amazon prices for both if you want to…
D7000 body- $1239.99
a580 body – $799
i’m not a brain buth i can do this easy maths…$440.99 price diference… can i get an already good sharp lens for that price? i think so…
You pay for many other things than image quality. D7000 outperforms A580 in many things, most notably weater sealing and viewdinder, but there’s much more.
yes for an instance, you pay mainly for the brand, and i’m pretty shure that i can get a plastic bag that will outperform that weatherseal…
as for the viewfinder, i came a long way from 35mm manual slrs to conserne about that…
I still love my hack 550D for short films.
If they will hack Sony a580 for film making then I might sell my 550D.
The A580 can shoot video. Did you men the A850?
shooting video =/= film making.
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. The English on this website varies quite a lot (myself included)
And I always thought that film making was a skill of operator, not an option is camera that A580 is magically missing.
Yeah, lets compare a $1200 camera to a $700 camera.
What a knucklehead. Sheesh.
Oops, that comment was meant for Tom.
You mean the D7000 with the same Sony sensor?
It performs the same, yet the d7k costs way more.. hmm
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Camera-Sensor/Compare/Compare-sensors/%28appareil1%29/675|0/%28appareil2%29/685|0/%28appareil3%29/680|0/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Sony/%28brand2%29/Sony/%28brand3%29/Nikon
Oh, and be sure to compare the prices while you’re there.
Sony sensors have been better than Canon ones since the 12MP sensor for D300 and D90 if you look at high Iso and possibly also DR. Canon leads in resolution though.
Completely off topic:
Does anybody else have to fill in a security question (What is 12 + 2) before you can post a comment?
Yes. Good I have a calculator 🙂
I bought abacus especially for this!
im still going good on my a200 😛
As long you have a good lighting system (studio lights, wireless flash with soft box, etc), you’re good to go for quite some time =D
Yep… But if the A77 has 24 mpix maybe it will be like the canon… He’ll loose dynamic and sensitivity. I hope not, but when I have seen 24Mpix for the first time, I was more anxious than happy
Go medium format … than this childishness can stop!
Haha the fanboys will love this!
In case you wanted to make a point – it didn’t work.
Not really surprising considering Sony’s economics of scale, their sensors being used by the 2nd, 3rd and 4th biggest camera companies.
We’re rapidly heading towards a scenario where we have a complete duopoly, with Kodak, Fuji, Panasonic, Samsung, Dalsa, etc being unable to to compete.
i rather canon still produce sensors, so that sony won;t own the entire market, which would allow them to jack up prices of sensors as they wish.
Sony made a huge leap forward in sensor production while all others are taking baby steps, i for one was amazed of how good the 16mp sensor really was, hopefully they can continue this trend in other aspects as well.
Can anyone post this to dpr’s canon forum? just for fun:]
Sony would sell more of their SLT & DSLR if they made it with canon mount:-) Tell me I’m wrong!
Sony would sell more of their SLT & DSLR if they made it with canon mount:-) Tell me I’m wrong!
…congrats to Sony for the BIG improvement of the sensors!
There’s a number of things that makes the final image. Those DXOmark scores are only part of the equation.
Canonrumors should start a post about how Canon beats Sony in pretty much all other areas when it comes to DSLR’s…
Sony has a long way to go before they can even think about matching it with the big boys and sell cameras to enthusiasts and professionals.
Their DSLR’s are a joke amongst a long of people that I know that are photography enthusiasts and professionals.
Anyway, I’m no fanboy and I do want to see other manufacturers bringing out good gear to give the consumer more choice which will no doubt means better prices at the end of the day…
Cheers
Clearly not a fanboy Yianni! – Each to their own I guess and I am happy to say I proudly own a A55 and will seriously look at trading up to the A77(or whatever it will be)when it is released. Cant wait to hear those jokes!
You’re exactly right about DxO sensor scores. Because it’s based on tests that measures … the sensor! Not image quality.
Take a look at these sensor scores:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Camera-Sensor/Compare/Compare-sensors/%28appareil1%29/619|0/%28appareil2%29/624|0/%28appareil3%29/586|0/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Canon/%28brand2%29/Sony/%28brand3%29/Canon
Canon 7D = Sony A550, both ahead of 500D
Now let’s see how they perform with a similar performing lens.
Chose the same cameras in the link below (DxO doesn’t save camera selection in the url):
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Lens-with-Camera/Compare/Compare-lenses/%28lens1%29/187/%28lens2%29/188/%28lens3%29/187/%28onglet%29/0/%28brand%29/Canon/%28brand2%29/Konica%20Minolta/%28brand3%29/Canon
SURPRISE SURPRISE! A550 only performed as well as 500D, despite having the same sensor score as 7D. And both lenses reached the scores at 50mm f2.8, for all three cameras. And you can also do a similar comparison between APS-C and FF cameras that have similar sensor scores. The FF cameras will have a higher camera+lens score every time.
And you know what bothers me still? These lens scores, and everything else that DxO measures, still do not measure “IMAGE QUALITY”. It measures how well the camera specifications perform.
What IS image quality? Is it something measurable by tests that measure camera hardware performance?
My answer is NO. It’s something you have to see for yourslef in the final image.
>I’m no fanboy
Every fanboy thinks that if he tell that he is not a fanboy, everyone believe.
>Canon beats Sony in pretty much all other areas
Your opinion is a much more thruthful and unbiased that any possible test, we believe you immediatly.
>Their DSLR’s are a joke
You give too much praise to sony shit even calling this shit a “DSLR”, DSLR is only for REAL cameras, that’s CANON, obviously.
>long of people that I know that are photography enthusiasts and professionals.
Every proud canon fanboy knows personally a lot of world famous professionals in photography, and they of course are using CANON, because they ARE professionals.
Well, did you just thought that i believed that you are a canon fanboy? HA! Everyone knows that real canon fanboys will never approach anything named sony, be it a radio or rumors site. You really are a nikon fan butthurt from knowledge that nikon has to buy sony sensors.
Oh c’mon – his post actualy is quite true and far less fanboyish than Yours.
Most of Canon photographers stopped at A200/300/350 level where high-ISO quality was lacking way beyond Canon. They don’t realise progress made and even don’t really want to know anything more – if they heard about A55 by some luck it’s for them some stupid idea, a thing Their company abandonned decades ago and didn’t wanted to return back to it so it’s flawed by design.
Amongst pro photographers Sony is a huge rarity regardless of what Cameras or lenses it has. They look for it as a Joke cause Sony hasn’t really made anything to change it – A900 was lacking behind Canon 1D of it’s age (regardless of price), and the same was with A700 which – just to remind – is so old camera that many outside the Sony forgot it was ever build.
So I hardly see any fanboism – it’s just a look of someone who hasn’t tracked most recent Sony stuff in-depth – and that’s actually majority of pro photographers too.
Why so bitter Yianni? – I am sure every camera has its fanboys and non fanboys without them being singled out as jokes! I am proud to own an A55 and am looking forward to having a long hard look at the new A77 when it appears and probably upgrading (as we tend to do!)
So what’s the news here? The A580 out rated the 60D and the D700. The D600 sensor is the same one that’s in the D60, so Gosh, Golly, Gee-Whizz, Dear Me …. look at that, it did the same thing to the D600.
At the end of it all I still get a good laugh out of all these meaningless comparisons. A good driver behind the wheel of a Hyundai will still ourdrive an idiot behind the wheel of a Ferrari. So SHOW ME THE PICTURES!!! then we’ll have something worth talking about.
a camara is more than just a sensor.. great stuff for people who love to bash eachother over camera-brands..in the field it is another story..luckily i use both sony aps-c and canon FF, so i guess i have the best of 2 worlds in my camerabag when i am out there..lol..
Your all a bunch of wieners, let the photos do the talking
It kind of kills arguments like
“I can’t stand the light loss the SLT mirror gives!” and still hold on to a Canon…
None of Canon and Sony is DXO’s customers, while Nikon, Pantax, Panasonic, Sigma, Olympus, Samsung, etc are its customers.
Refer to http://www.dxo.com/us/image_quality/customers2
As a previous Sony owner current 7D owner (same sensor of T2i), I could care less, I am very very happy with Canon these products are top notch. You guys are comparing a Canon sensor almost 3 years old, to one that just got placed on cameras! Lets compare apples to apples here folks.
I made the switch and I am very happy with that decision, Sony royally screwed Minolta folks here.
I’ve been looking at images created by various cameras/sensors for quite some time now, and for the life of me I can hardly see a difference when pixel peeping. The differences are even less when printing.
Since I came from the 35mm era, and even old digital tech could match or beat what I could get from 35mm film, I don’t care much which is better. They are all winners really.
I’m mostly just glad there is competition.
For picture i choose Canon and Nikon.Sony for tv only.
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