The Japanese site Mapcamera interviewed Sony. The interview is in Japanese but our SAR readers Kuonji and Chaika translated some of the key info for us (Thanks!):
1) Currently, Sony has no plan to implement 4K internal recording on the A7s. However they recognize there is a huge request to get this feature in future cameras.
2) Sony is planning for making a new mark II A-mount lenses to replace old popular lenses i.e. 70-300, 24-70, 16-35. More to come in the future
3) Sony is still quite young in terms of mirrorless market, they think of themselves as a challenger, but because they are a challenger, they believe they can do a lot of innovative stuff.
Sony also said they cannot share any details about when the new FE lenses will be released.
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but after 50 years or so (if needed) ?
there are many “hai hai…” lol… anyway, wishes you happy CNY
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The new FE lenses has to be developped with the new sony a7rII or a9 (50MP). Therefore the manufacturer are still working on a prototyp! We have to wait for….
Internal 4k and global shutter is what I want to see in a professional-grade A9s. Make it happen, Sony!
Global shutter,especially for video would be a revolution in this price class :). But if it will come soon… mmh doubt it
No way. Sony allready has super expensive professional video cameras with global shutter. Just as any company Sony will not give anything ayway for less, unless they are forced by the competition.
Now would be the time for Sony to react to Samsung with 4K internal recording in affordable cameras. Global shutter will have to wait.
Update lenses !!!!!!!! TO UPDATE the customer CONFIDENCE they better bring some more new A-mount camera Body’s !!!!
lol… some say Sony only concentrates on bodies, not on lenses. Now you say the opposite 😀 …
I call this the SAR paradox. 🙂
My a99 is pretty amazing, didn’t become less of a camera since 2013 😉 heck…I might buy another one next week because of how amazing that body is 😉
It’s years behind Nikon D610, not to mention D750, for the purposes of AF and ISO performance.
You’re comparing to new technology. Was the a99 an Amazing camera in 2013? Yes. Just because newer technology came out…does that mean the a99 suddenly become a lesser camera? No.
Edit: actually late 2012…not 2013. It’s even newer than the 5dmk3!
D610 is less than a year younger than a99. I did not have D600 in my hands, but likely it beats a99 for those purposes as well.
From what you’re saying. Seems like you haven’t tried an a99 yet and just reading off specs, Dxo, etc.
On the contrary, I have jumped ships to D750 after comparing my a99 with D610. Never ever looked back.
That’s great to hear! I jump shipped from a 5dmk3 and 6D to an a99 4 months ago and never looked back.
I wouldn’t look back at 5dmk3 either. 🙂
After shooting commercially with A99 for over two years now, I can confidently say it is a beast of a camera as far as image quality goes, but since getting an A77II, I want something faster. I really hope Sony can introduce two (2) new A-mount Full Frame bodies this year: one optimized for speed, amazing AF and high ISO and one optimized for resolution.
I don’t think there would be any significant ample light image quality differences between Sony a7, Sony a99, Nikon D600, D610 and D750. They all use the same sensor family.
The differences show up with ISO sensitivity though. For some reason, out of all these, D750 has got it the best. I’m getting about equal amount of noise on Sony a7 at ISO 3200 and Nikon D750 with ISO 8000.
Sure it makes sense — it depends on how they cook their RAW. However, if you process all of the above cameras with something like DXO Optics Pro 10 using their Prime Noise Reduction, any difference between A7, A7II and D610 or D750 is negligible with the A99 trailing behind almost half a stop at ISO 6400.
I will try to make a comparison, though my Sony a7 is now full-spectrum converted, which might influence the result (likely in a7’s favor, as it’s now missing the AA filter).
AA would not affect the ISO performance, CFA would. However, a gain in 1.3 stops would be unlikely.
AA filter won’t affect the peformance, but will make the result less obvious for the purpose of fine text readability. Will be no difference for blurred backgrounds though.
Are you saying that the D750 is just as good as the A7s (if not way better when downsize)? That’s hard to believe. Do they have the same level of details too or just that the D750 might look cleaner but with mushy details? Even with the A7s, I would have a hard time to believe that it could be 2 stops better. And yes, I’m using an A7s.
I have not included a7S in the list, in case you didn’t notice. It’s definitely not in the same sensor family.
Well, the fact is that A7s is only about 2 stops better than the A7 (and sometimes less). By what you’re saying, the D750 is about 1.3 stop better than the A7. That would mean downsizing the D750, you might get a better image as the A7s. And I find that is hard to believe. We are reaching quantum efficiency with these cameras. Same gen sensor would not give you a 1.3 stop advantages (especially at this stage). With even different processors, you are essentially doing trade-off, noise suppression vs. details. That’s why I inquire into whether you are sure they have the same amount of details such ISO comparisons. To be honest, if the D750 is that good, I might as well get it to compliment with my A7s. I have a couple of Nikkor lenses I want to get (say the 200/2 and the 800). But so far, I have not seen any convincing evidence that Nikon is that much better (half stop max to trade with the heavier body and “wrong” direction of MF).
I have been using the a99 for a while and it is a half baked camera, able to produce wonderful photos, much better than the competition, along with many, many shortcoming. Soon we will have Canon 5d mk4, but the a99 is much worse than the mk3 in terms of usable ISO performance, which I sometimes need, not to mention poor video quality in low light conditions.
I know that people have high ISO photos of the A99 floating about, but as far as I can tell they are a sham. High ISO works with A99 when lighting is good, simply because it is smart enough know it, but in low light, you get mostly darkness.
Well, if you’re getting mostly darkness, you need to change your exposure settings — and that doesn’t always mean crank up the ISO! This being said, the A99 performs outstanding up to ISO 6400, particularly with 14-bit RAW and careful RAW processing — DxO Optics Pro 10 handles high ISO A99 files amazingly well. Sure, the A7S is king of high ISO now, but comparing that performance to A99 is just silly because we all know the A99 was never designed for that.
Thank you! I shot a wedding last month inside a dark church at 3200 ISO and have very useable images. But normally I don’t go that high.
Yeah, and I’m saying you can shoot at ISO 3200 regularly, with confidence! Turn off all internal NR and then process with DxO Optics Pro 10 afterwards using Prime Noise Reduction. DxO even works with Lightroom so you can still use Lightroom as your organizer. I highly recommend you give it a shot! Amazing RAW developer, particularly for available light photography.
If one uses it as a plug in in Lightroom, Is it possible to do only noise reduction through DXO and the rest through Lightroom?
Absolutely! You can even export back to Lightroom as a DNG, just be sure to set both NR and sharpness in Lightroom to “0” after the DNG imports as Lightroom defaults to 25 for color NR and Sharpness to 25. Then you can edit the rest in Lightroom as usual!
Oh don’t get me wrong. The 5dmk3 has better ISO performance. But I have learned to work my way around high ISO. Back when FF cameras topped at 3200 native ISO, no one really shot above 1600? If there’s no need back then, you can work your way around today. (well that’s what I do)
My personal opinion: high ISO performance wasn’t available back then. Now you see high ISO cameras. To me it’s convenience.Just an excuse to not work your way around the exposure triangle. Just my opinion on that.
balancedphoto, try processing your A99 high ISO with DXO Optics Pro 10. You can easily use A99 at ISO 3200, and 6400 looks pretty good too!
Sometimes you can and sometimes you can’t. Do a simple test, take your camera out and shoot a small clip with the best of lenses using street lights. Not only will the A99 not stand with the remarkable A7s, it will not stand up to the A7, A7r and definitely not the A7mkII.
Seriously waiting for a replacement model that I can rely on without having to resort to workarounds.
Okay let’s put it this way. Before we had the a7, a7s, etc type of performance. What did photographers do? To be honest, as new technology advances, most people talk down on the “last generation” of cameras. Wth did people have a few years ago? No one could took great clean images until the a7s performance came along? Or we can even go back to cameras in general where it tops out at 3,200 ISO…. without today’s technology what did photographers do… To me, high ISO performance is like an excuse for convenience. (Make things easier)
And that’s exactly what I enjoy now: back then, I wouldn’t be able to make a number of photos at all (moving subjects) or would need a tripod. Now the ISO madness allows me so much more.
No workaround for that.
exactly my point. It takes no skill these days “for some”. Now that “oh i have this much ISO, I can just set it to this because I know I’ll get clean shots all the way to 6,400”. etc. Technology made things easier, doesn’t make what we used to do impossible today.
Funny, I was just reading on DPreview yesterday someone who dropped the D610 for an A77. Said it was inferior.
The point is one choose camera and then look for lenses. From your comment, I assume you’re one of them but there are some people who choose lenses first then look for a body. I am fond of 135mm focal length. The Nikon 135mm DC simply sucks with regard to both image quality and AF. If Nikon had a nice 135mm lens or there was a Sigma Art version, I would go with the D810 (not D750) but I got the A99 thanks to 135/1.8 and Minolta 200/2.8 regardless of the risk being abandoned by Sony . Also, build quality of the D750 is inferior to that of the A99 IMHO. The A99 has EFCS, 1/8000 shutter speed and better build quality. If someone decides to go with Nikon, he would most probably be better off with the D810. It has great build quality, damped mirror, EFCS and a large amount of pixels to work with.
Yes, lenses are crucial. But there’s no system without gaps. Nikon lacks good 135mm (I find the Sigma 150mm f/2.8 macro a useful stop-gap measure here) and a “lightweight” 400mm f/4 (only now they started introducing Fresnel lenses). Sony A-mount lacks lightweight 85mm f/1.8, pancake-but-awesome Voigtlander 40mm f/2 (manual focus), 70-200mm f/4, lightweight UWA zoom, nobody knows when the Sigma 24-105mm f/4 will finally ship. Canon has most spots covered (UWA zooms being their general weak spot), but their sensors suck.
BTW, EFCS is rumored to come to D750 with firmware update. D750 vs D810 choice wouldn’t be that obvious for me – D750 has faster, lower EV rated AF, fo example. And, it’s lighter and smaller, so it all depends what you need.
The D750 is a paper weight. The Nikon D610 is years behind the A77II. ISO performance? Practically any camera these days outperforms what full frame was doing 5 years ago.
So, again, what exactly makes D750 a “paper weight”, in particular compared to a99?
a77II is not full-frame, while likely having better AF, it won’t ever achieve that much ISO juice, despite being a bit younger.
So practically any camera today outperforms a D700 or a D3? Get real!
And outperforms with respect to what? Resolution, dynamic range, low light ability, autofocus?
D750 has that funky sunset affect- paper weight. D610 is a good camera- I don’t argue that. Take everything wrapped around the sensor into consideration. A77II eats it and spits out the bones.
Bout A7. I’m probably going to end up selling it for the A99. It’s pretty much perfect minus a few things. I don’t do meaningless 4k videos of my cat so I’m good.
Updating their truly old lenses would bring confidence. But so far, they haven’t updated their old lenses — none of their screw drive lenses have been updated. Instead, for some odd reason, they are just tweaking the SSM in their newer lenses and calling it an update.
New lenses, true lens updates — that would bring confidence in the system.
Rolling out a SSM tweak across current SSM lenses, not so much.
Yeah they really need to update Zeiss 135 and 85 with SSM II and weather sealing. Also, the 16mm F2.8 Fisheye & 100mm f2.8 Macro. They also need to dig into the vaults and modernize some of the amazing Minolta long lenses, like the 400mm F4.5 G (update this to F4 with SSM), 600mm F4 G and so on.
Come on Sony, you have said it many times but where are the evidences? Action speaks louder than words!
Internal 4k absolutely. Sony is trailing on this. But don’t forget the abysmal 8 bit out maximums they have. I’d like 10 bit internal or at least out as well. I’m also wondering if 4k internal is Def not coming to the current a7s or that there won’t be an a7s II update.
An a7s ii with ibis and internal 4k would be a pretty compelling upgrade for a lot of people…
If you want high quality internal 4k, your device has to have an internal hard drive. No current DSLR does internal 4k at its highest quality. Its just not possible with current SD cards. Maybe later, but not right now and certainly not in a cost effective manner. Sony get around the 10 bit issue by using log, which is a good solution (except that many people suspect Sony claim the theoretical gain this gives as real DR by adding it to the sensor DR – look on the colour grading groups).
Blackmagic Ursa: 12 bit 4k raw to cards along with 3:1 raw and every flavor of prores. 80p
Blackmagic Pocket: 12 bit 1080p RAW and ever flavor of prores to sd cards. 30p
Although the URSA has cooling to cool the sensor it still rights to a card internally.
Yes I know, I own a BlackMagic camera (after getting sick of Sony sticking with AVCHD/XAVC-S instead of Prores/raw). ‘Cost effective’ really comes into play when you are buying high bandwidth 4k compatible CF cards. BM people already complaining about CF cards not being future proof vs SSDs for one thing. Even a lowly 1080p BMPCC shooting raw fills a 64GB card in about 10minutes for example, and an hour’s worth of the 64GB cards you require is not cheap when compared to an SSD or external recorder.
Sham wow! You really don’t know what you’re talking about.
What a Sham.
Very good. Never heard that one before.
If all you want is XAVCS 4k and other proprietary codecs, you can have all the artefact filled internal recording you need. You probably deserve it! 4k raw and ProresHQ, capability at decent capture quality, well, that’s a different matter.
I did not switch to E-mount because I spent so many $$$ on A-mount lenses… now Sony is gonna replace my lenses with newer mark II ones… my A-mount collection will be obsolesce 🙁 should have sold them earlier and switch to E-mount instead : (
Well, depending on the exact updates per lens, your collection might not really lose value. See e.g.: old Minolta 80-200 f2.8 HS, which is still a hot item.
YOUR CRAZY. Screw drive is absolutely fine….don’t get sucked into the horseshiiiit.
Yes, I like A-mount so much I also like my Sony MiniDisc player, my CRT monitor, my vhs recorder. I like to post my pictures to myspace using netscape.
Don’t dis the mini. That’s like saying tub socks and high tops are out of style. Paaaleeease.
I guess thats how the ‘gear is more important than the user’ folks think.
Your self-confidence is so low…
Your lenses don’t stop working just because updated versions of them get released…
No, but as soon as a product is succeeded by a new model, it becomes obsolete. It still works, but it’s obsolete. Anyone who cares about keeping up with technology can see how that would upset our dear ‘A-mount fanboy’.
Only way around that is to start using all manual rangefinder style lenses.
As I said
A mount is not dead, just hibernating.
E mount cannot do the job, as evidenced by the lack of long E mount lenses.
Even Sony says that the short flange distance and smaller diameter make long focal lengths problematic for E mount, which is better suited to short focal lengths.
That does not rule out the possibility of mirrorless A mount of course.
E mount needs to beautofoxus compatable with dslr lenses if it is to maintain market share when, not if, competitors like Canon produce mirrorless that are compayable with dslr lenses.
Canon has both the ability to do so…as evidencet by thier recent patents…and the intent do do so…as evidenced by thier claim that they will dominate the mirrorless market bi 2017.
It’s unfurtanate that Sony did not have the foresight to desighn the E mount wth a larger diameter so it could be more practical for a full line of lenses.
Now they are stuck with a mount that will never amount to more than half a system, and will fare poorly against Canikon competitikn.
Canikon are taking thier time and will have the benefit of learnig from from Sony’s mistakes.
Lasty…what the heck is Sonikon doing about a high mp camera.
People that need one are going to jump at Canon’s offering because Sonikon has no offering….totaly foolish marketing.
Barry, you really think people will switch to Canon because they have a 50MP sensor which by Canons own addmission has the same DR as the current 5D sensor, which is 2 to 3 stops less than the current 36MP Sony sensor 🙂
A 50MP mirrorless Sony camera will more than likely be on sale well before the high MP Canon 5D which is currently going on sale in June. You never know you may even get a 50MP Sony DSLR this year and dont forget about the so called none Bayer sensor Sony which could be seen in a camera this year as well.
the throat of the e mount is larger than the Nikon F mount.
PLEASE GO BUY THE CANON AND GO AWAY
OR
stop posting the same repetative crap.
find something new to say otherwise STFU
we’ve heard it all before from you
Even elderly bears hibernate – it doesn’t mean they won’t die soon.
There ARE long lenses for E-mount. But then you’re too dumb to think for yourself, so you regurgitate the same sh*te that other ill-informed trolls have been spouting. No mount on earth is perfect for every single focal length, but good designers can get round it (you are not a designer or engineer so stop pretending your have a clue what you’re talking about).
You keep regurgitating Canon’s claim that they want to be number one. Maybe you should keep regurgitating their CEO’s claim that they make the best sensors. What Canon say and what Canon do are different things, yet you hang on their every word like some pathetic little subservient lapdog. Are you really that brainless?
Please, please, please buy a Canon and stop spamming and trolling this forum with your clueless, self-serving and certifiable bullsh*t.
#bananimalsbybarryfromsar #kn*bhead
A mount for life. Covers you from A to Z…skip the E.
I love Alpha mount cameras.
Embrace New Technology, say goodbye to the old A-mount. E-mount is the cool new feture.
A mount is a hunk of metal. What they do with it depends on the manufacturer. MD mount went through numerous itinerations and so has A mount. Adaptation is not contingent upon a shorter flange distance no one asked for in the first place.
The new canon body(s) are evidence of them learning?
Rly?
Dear patient can I help you?
Sony should have started first by Trying to make The A-mount mirrorless! E-mount was a waste of time and resources with all of the stupid adapters. Take a look at how small the New Nikon D5500 is and Canon S1. Sony already had the right size camera with the A33,55 series they were on the right track but they gave up! Compare the size of the A55 to a Nex 6 and they are almost the same!
Barry, How many long telelenses di Canon had after two years of production their EF mount? Not that many either, so this is not proof it is impossible.
And My 70-400 A-mount lens is working perfectly by adapter on my A6000 with an adaprter. So it is easely possible to create a lens with a “build in adapter” and optimized for the E-mount focus system. It will not be much smaller then the A-mount lens, but it will work.
Then you claim that Canon has learned from the “mistakes”Sony made with their E-mount. The flange distance is the same for E-mount and EOS-M mount. The diameter of the mount is the same too, so Canon will find the same problems in making large lenses as Sony will…
Where can I buy the new Canon 50MP camera now? No I have to wait unitl when? June? Is it maybe possible that Sony comes with a cheaper 50MP camera that is smaller then the Canon and that is at the same time, or maybe even earlier in the shops?
Please it is so easy to show you’re wrong it is no fun anymore… 😉
translation: “We know you want internal 4K, but we don’t care. Maybe it will be in the next iteration, maybe not. Have fun!”
but crop E mount and lenses for it is dead I think
Why would they be? They present a budget solution. I mean, normal lenses for crop are what, half the price? Crop bodies are even cheaper. Not everyone is willing to spend thousands upon thousands on their kit.
Problem is that they are not making new quality lenses for crop e-mount
True, but they already have a borderline-OK selection for what they see as a budget category. True, it would be nice to have 85mm, something north of 200mm, some extra macros, but their first priority now is the FE lineup, as that is spotty to say the least.
APS E-mount is far from dead. In the last year the A5000, A5100 A6000 and the QX1 came out. All crop sensor, all E-mount.
About the lenses, Sony has to come with a lot lenses for the FF E-mount, so it makes sense to just stop developing the E-mount lenses for a moment and go on with it when the FE lenses are there. And you know what? You can use the FE lenses perfectly on the APS E-mount cameras. So for some lenses we have to buy FF lenses for others we can go with APS lenses. I think Sony will come with “special for APS” lenses (like a f2.8 16-50 lens, and maybe a 70-300mm tele zoom for APS in the future.
They should make 16-50 and 50-150 both 2.8, and something around 85mm.
And all current cameras should have touchscreens, no touchscreen is bullshit for this time
Global shutter yay, 4k… Who cares?
Global shutter is easy to request and very difficult to deliver in a FF camera. It is currently out of sight if you request both global shutter and a camera that is priced lower than a 1Dx
Why is it so difficult? I think it could be easily achieved with a 12mp sensor.
COST
CCDs were global, and they looked amazing compared to CMOS at the time. Even now old CCD sensors hold up really well against a modern CMOS sensor in optimal conditions.
BlackMagic has a video global shutter in S35 for 2,995usd at 30FPS, probably 1/60sec equivalent, and with 12 stops of DR.
I doubt the ability and cost are as far off as you believe. Give it one or two years and we’ll be hearing about it. Why spend R&D on anything else? Global shutters are THE end game.
Video, low noise, low light & photography. It has to be a good stills camera first and foremost. The closest I’ve seen to a perfect all around camera is the GH4, but the tiny sensor really hampers low-light and makes anything south of 50mm look pretty crap.
I have to disagree, Global shutter is the holy grail. Flash synch at any speed indoors or out. This will make HSS a thing of the past. As a monolight user that loves taking my lights outdoors on location. I don’t shoot vid so I don’t really care about it. I realize I may be in the minority when it comes to vid.
>I don’t shoot vid so I don’t really care about it. I realize I may be in the minority when it comes to vid<
Its perfect for your needs, but as a stills/video guy I cannot see it happening for a few generations as I'm in the majority according to the Sony marketing folks.
I agree though, a global shutter is the holy grail for both stills and video.
1) No internal 4K means failure in the market. Sony needs features that few others have, since they are lacking in basic photographic capabilities.
2) We need new lenses, not updated old lenses. Fill in the gaps in the lineup, Sony!
3) Young in the mirrorless market? I’m laughing here! They launched the E-mount in 2010, before Fujifilm, Nikon, Canon and Pentax launched their mirrorless systems! Samsung launched the NX system a few months earlier than Sony, but that system has only recently become a serious contender. So basically the only mirrorless system that was established before Sony’s was Micro Four Thirds.
I’m not counting Leica’s rangefinders or the oddball Ricoh GXR, both niche products.
“Sony is lacking in basic photographic capabilities.” which is which? lens lineup?
He’s obviously projecting his own lacking photography skills onto his gear. A lot of gearheads do that, actually.
14-bit lossless raw?
That doesn’t even problem for 90% of shooting style unless you are doing extreme processing or your eyes are really special that you can you see the differences.
Yes you are right the new Canon cameras will all be big failures… And everybody has a 4K television at home nowadays so they realy need the $K cameras…
There are not that much gaps in the A-mount. It will be hard to justify the development of special lenses for it as it will be very costly for a rather small shrinking market,
Remember that everybody is young in the mirrorless market. and some (Sony, Samsung and Olympus) are doing well, the others have problems to keep up Canon and Nikon are loosing this market.
Internal 4K? Yes please!! Video editing is soooo time consuming though. Please give me some fun, ‘consumer’, in-camera video features:
– still photo grab from 4K
– high speed slo mo (preferably with sound)
– filters (selective colour, HC B&W, etc.)
UGH…I quit
you lost me at selective color….
OK – how ’bout Sony ‘night vision’ then?
(selective colour for video is actually already a feature on the Sony cameras – I haven’t used it yet… but I might. The more creative options at one’s disposal, the better).
TV and movies (Spielberg and Cameron) have set high expectation for video – creativity and brevity are the amateur videographer’s friend.
Just an imagination of mine:
Think about an camera that could be an A99II & A9 in fusion.
A99 (A-Mount) body and through a kind if interchangeable mount and Z-Shift it would become an E-Mount camera.
Kind of A99 with the abilitity to mount nearly every lens, if needed and its still an “A-Mount” camera
Kind of fascinating imagination.
Dun worry, the upcoming flagship E-mount A9 will take old A-mount lenses through adapter. But if you want all the latest technology like the new 4D focus, superior OSS, native E-mount lenses will be much better.
OSS is not superior. It’s why Sony put 5-axis IBIS into A77II
IBIS is for lenses without OSS, OSS still works better, thats why sony put OSS on FE90mm and FE24240
Or because they hadn’t figured out a way to implement it into a small E-mount body where space is such a premium.
IBIS on A7II was to attract the remaining A-mount users to move to E-mount bodies, then they will want to buy the better native E-mount lenses.
A-mount and E-mount users are very different, and it certainly didn’t attract me. If I ever buy anything E-mount, it’s for a lighter weight option for when I go on hiking trips. I wouldn’t touch an E-mount camera for any of my commercial jobs. If you think the A-mount Zeiss and G glass is subpar, I don’t believe you’ve even shot with the A-mount system.
So you won’t use A-Mount glass on an E-Mount camera because A-Mount glass isn’t sub par? Makes a lot of sense.
You mean A7 II? Oh and funny that because it is SO much better it still uses OSS when a lens has it.
Are you saying you’d rather the A7II not have 5-axis IBIS?
Uhm well IBIS is still (sometimes) better than nothing, but that doesn’t mean it works better than OSS. And I haven’t raced out to dump my camera and pick up a shiny A7II just to get IBIS.
That wasn’t my question.
You said OSS is superior and have failed to provide any evidence of that being the case, instead asking simply irrelevant questions.
A MOUNT A MOUNT A MOUNT. I LOVE ME SOME A MOUNT….GET ER DONE SONY!!!
Instead of the 16-35, they should build a badass 12-24 lens instead.
2015 GOAL: Have on my shelf the following. Dynax 5D, 7D, Sony A700, A900, A99II and A77II. DONE.
I’ve just shed a tear immagining a shelf with those classic beauties (my brain blocked the image of A99 and A77) :’)
Soooo you’re a collector not a photographer 😀
I photograph collections.
Tell me all your worries A-Mount guys, Im here for you.
Let it all out!
My dog bit me. The house is needing winter repairs. My hair is falling out and my sphincter is crawling more than usual. Wife just left me for a Nikon photographer.
Other than that, things are great. And I’m really enjoying my a77II.
I can help you with that sphincter. I’m a professional.
I’m so tempted to sell my A7 for the A77II. That camera is a sick brick of awesomeness. I’ll probably end up picking it up once it’s under 750.00. I have to many other cameras on my list right now.
My worry is that FE mount fan boys are going to feel depressed after the A99II is released.
I refuse to compute this filth!
Why? There will probably be 4+ more e-mount bodies before an A99II… 🙂
lol
because A99 successor will be e-mount.
I don’t care if it’s ABC mount, just skip the tard adapter and give me higher ISO and DR.
I guess that the only way to have internal 4K is to have a different form factor, which would mean an A9. Maybe the rumored A7000 could have it but rumors has it won’t, the usual NEX cameras already struggled with overheating and the A7-bodies can’t do internal 4K as well, will there be an A9 this year?
Maybe the form factor change on the A7ll body will facilitate 4K on the forthcoming bodies, maybe it now has the thermal dissipation required.
I wouldn’t bet so much on that because there were not significant changes in size, just ergonomical adjustments and it got a bit thicker to accommodate the IBIS mechanism. As the IBIS prevents the sensor to be attached to a heat dissipator, I don’t think it would help with the overheating issue.
I still think that a new form factor is needed, a more solid and robust one, some videographers fear that the mount won’t hold their big cine lenses properly, so they wouldn’t mind a little bit bigger camera it that meant better ergonomics, internal 4K and some other stuff that comes along.
Nothing wrong with the A7S, A7ll and AS7 mount as far as cinema goes. We’ll see pretty soon as to how Sony handle the 4K issue internally.
or a VG40.
A-mount will be around as long as people still associate the mirror with pro. They can obviously make a bigger camera with emount but it is still considered “mirrorless”. Until that stigma is gone, sony will keep selling a mount cameras. Although, i have a feeling it will be with limited advancement and support.
On a side note, my two cents are this current college generation will be where dslrs start to die off. I was just at the grand canyon and overheard a group of kids talking about upgrading their cameras. They were talking about how they reasearched and came to the conclusion mirrorless is the way to go. One wanted an NEX, the other wanted panasonic. It’s hard to convince a guy who has thrown down 10k on lenses to change. But more and more you see younger folks starting with mirrorless. This is what is eventually going to lead to the end of the mirror.
Sony can and likely will make A-mount mirrorless too. E-mount was designed to be compact — doesn’t make sense to go bulky.
Sony has no sense- either literally or figuratively. Which is why E mount A7II just got larger and all the new lenses are big- even the 28.
It’s still quite a bit smaller than A99 or 5D Mark III, let alone a Canon 1Dx and the like. As far as lenses go, certain large aperture lenses AF will always be large — that’s physics.
They did the same with NEX.
Deliberately designing them small to make an impact.
Then later adding ‘needed’ stuff and allowing the body to grow.
( flash,. EVF, IBIS, hotshoe etc.)
– Well aware that first impression lasts.
We still think of A7 as small and about EOS-M as slow.
Says the guy with the tiny pee pee.
Yes – because Sony is what the pros are using….
http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2015/02/wppcameras1.jpg
Who cares about what brand they are using? When I see a great photo, I wonder who the photographer is, not what camera he used.
LOL! Hand the same camera to two photographers and the image quality will be the same. It doesn’t vary depending on who uses the camera. Same camera, same photos, basically.
But everything else such as the composition, lighting, etc change. Also, two different photographers using the same camera might still use different settings. If you think “Same camera, same photos, basically”, you should stop wasting your time on photography threads.
You look at the wrong things in a photo, my friend. Composition and lighting? LOL! Are you one of those annoying art snobs? A photo should be studied at the pixel level.
Not true When one photographer is experienced with the given camera and lens the IQ will be a lot better then when the other was experienced with an other camera. Skills is more important then camera. As long as people don’t understands that, and keep on investing in the newest cameras to get the best pictures, the camera sellers are happy…
Why buy a Nikon? You’d actually want a Canon according to your chart Anton. Canon actually have a proper range of sharp modern lenses Anton.
Some mistakes go back decades. A guy sees Andre Agassi using a Canon in a tv commercial in the 90s and he’s been stuck with the system ever since he bought his first 50mm lens for $137. I had no such baggage. Nikon has been trouncing Canon in IQ for some time now.
IQ……… why are so many pro’s using the 5D3 then?
You’re too wrapped up in **FAUX-IQ** Anton. Go buy a Medium Format rig from Phase if *PROPER IQ* is what you really want. You’ll actually get decent before and after-sales with PhaseOne too. The reason there’s that huge RED Canon disparity in your chart is simple. SERVICE. CANON OFFER PROPER PRO SERVICE THROUGH THEIR CPS!!!!
Pros has switch to Sony in the last year except for those shooting sports.
If they’re still using 5D3, then they’re late to their game.
If they have little interest in run & gun video I can see good reason to stick with a 5D3, its a solidly performing and extremely reliable camera under all still shooting assignments.
They’re built like a Tank. I’ll give it that.
Wishful thinking lead by Fong minator
I am actually amazed there is Olympus in that chart.
iPhone????
I can’t read colors.
I can’t take this seriously, with Apple included on the list. How do you define a “pro” anyway?
That’s the brands used by the winning photos from the World Press Photo Awards, I think. So ‘pro’ means photojournalist in this context.
Where’d you get this chart from? I know a ton of pros who bought into E-mount this past year, so this looks really out of date.
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/most-world-press-photo-winners-still-use-dslr
Ahh makes sense — this charge is specific to PRESS PHOTOGRAPHERS. LOL Canon bought out the press photography market via sponsorships/contracts decades ago.
Now if you look at everything else: portrait, commercial, landscape photography, weddings, Sony will absolutely be on there.
No, Canon is what the press is using, which is a very small segment of the entire professional market and wider market. Notice how those market share figures doesn’t translate that way when looking at the market as a whole?
Man even oly and ricoh is there and there is no Sony 🙂
Olympus have been doing some great engineering lately.
Yeah 😀 because thats what matters what pros use right 😀 wont make you a beeter picture just beacause a paid joutnalist uses a certain camera, lol….how old are you 5 ?
“Sony is planning for making a new mark II A-mount lenses to replace old popular lenses i.e. 70-300, 24-70, 16-35. ”
I don’t think of these as the old lenses. Rather the new lenses.
Sonys year 0 began 2006. Minolta is non-existent for them.
They had lots of lenses day one, and none of the ones listed above.
And just for a change Sony, update your A900 and make a body with real mirror and bright beautiful OVF.
Or just buy a Nikon….
Oh I did, I am speaking if I have A mount lenses
#1 request of any Sony mirrorless user that have even the slightest clue about photography.
TRUE 14 BIT COLOR. Get rid of the 11+7 bit lossy color and make retroactive upgrades (even at the expense of FPS) to A7 series.
I won’t purchase a single Sony product until this is fixed. No more lenses, no more cameras, no more accessories.
There should be a class action suit on this already. Sony advertises 14 bit RAW but this is far from the truth. It’s really a mass fraud and deception.
You are mistaken. Sony SLT-A99V certainly delivers true 14-bit RAW. I can’t speak for any E-mount camera, however.
Read the post – “sony mirrorless” operative term.
Good morning Anton Berlin. You lie about being a photographer. But we don’t care about that one either……….
One of my best portraits.
http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/tonyjones/files/2013/05/Jesus-hugging-a-dinosaur.jpg
Dear Anton Berlin,
I AM ACTUALLY BLACK………………. you are an imbecile, everyone (but you) knows Jesus is black!!!!!
There’s truth in this statement.
What I want to know is, who’s the guy holding him?
*Yawn*
Why are people dismissive of this? Sony should be giving us true 14-bit raw w/LOSSLESS compression. The lossy compression is a pile of horsesh!t. Why can’t they do this?
They will when it doesn’t effect camera performance or price-point. It makes little difference 99.9% of the time. Most work only really requires 8 bit anyway, 16 bit would actually make more sense as the medium format boys already know.
Why can’t we have 16-bit then? It’s stupid the way Sony artificially retards their E-mount lineup when other camera-makers are capable of delivering.
And I personally work in a 10-bit environment. So these Sony files will not age very well–that’s what you’re telling me? I should bloody well go back to film. So much more pleasant.
Why not 32bit on MF backs yet? it’s not Sony retarding their kit, its the marketplace, what’s commercially available, what works and more importantly, what people are willing to pay. With an A7S you are actually getting a pretty good friggin’ ideal. A full featured HD/4K “full-frame” movie camera and a kick A$$ stills camera.
Want a kick-a$$ camera, go buy that new Samsung, but good luck working with its files, there’s no commercial software to process h.265 yet……………..
Actually you raise a great point Jon!!!! The very best outcome would be Sony’s compressed RAW and the option of a 16bit capture mode for those moments where you want absolute quality. Uncompressed 14bit offers little more other 99.9% of the time but a true 16bit OPTION would really offer an advance in image quality.
I just care about how media ages. We’re in a transitional period where true image quality is worse than what it has been in the past (120 scanned with future scanners will look amazing), but ease of use is much higher.
You can make fun for idealism or whatever, but I don’t respect anti-progress, anti-quality proponents. “Good enough” is not good enough, especially not for the future.
Long-term storage is the issue – but I think absolute quality of image was good enough two or three generations back.
Ever seen a well made Collotype? Thats better than any 120 neg I’ve seen. Where do we draw the line here?
The extra bits may well just capture noise..You can’t just increase the bit size: sensor sensitivity is an issue, and camera manufacturors are probably already matching bit size to that, give or take some price-point matching.
That requires a different A/D (16 bit) converter so it could not be done on the current cameras. The current camera already has a 14 bit A/D converter but the output is then compressed in a lossy way.
I think FPS, which is already bad, would plummet. Removing the mirror means, the camera needs more processing power. That means a shorter battery life and more bulk. This is why there are no mirrorless cameras, from any brand, which match DSLRs. They will come, but not just yet.
When are you going to post your D810/A7R comparisons?
so, yet again, we learned nothing new…a pointless interview
Here’s what just happened to A-mount:
“Doctor! The unconcious man’s heart rate is falling, 50 cc’s of epinephrine! Stat!”
Wait, are you saying A mount is a fat overweight middle aged man?
Dear Sony, MKII lenses are welcome but it’s time to make a serious pro camera with, first of all, real hi-iso, advanced AF and pro-body structure (see D4s & EOS-1D). Don’t worry about sensor, a 24mp is enough. Professionals are not interested in the MP war. Many of my colleagues use D4S (16,2mp), EOS1D (18,1mp) producing great photos. But… if you have a 36/50mp camera with performances listed above and something more…I’m just in store to buy it also.
’nuff said.
What’s the source?
Doens’t look real to me.
If it is true, it makes sense. Sony moved the consumer /amateur bodies to E-mount which is where most of their camera sales come from. What this graph doesn’t tell you is that the the ones still shooting with A-mount are either professionals or advanced amateurs primarily shooting with A99, A900 and some A77IIs/A77s thrown in the mix. These users tend to spend more per body and lens.
Sorry to say that but I think only the poor A-mount users, pro or not, are still shooting only with A-mount.. Many old A-mount users already bought their Nex-5, Nex 7, A7, A6000, A7s long ago
I have no clue – I’m just reposting it. I found it last week through a google images search.
Can you try to find it again?
From my experience if there is not a source…it’s FAKE. So much bullshit you can find ont he web 🙂
Also I cannot imagine Sony releasing that kind fo data.
It might be fake but the data makes sense. Who knows? Cant find it now.
I did a search for something like “Sony A-mount sales data” or “Sony DSLR users worldwide”.
Looks bogus –
https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZisdGphIP46vS2nGhdGTlOzCxxbdV8lX2F1ccyPWgFl7oeSJC6V5FDr9aGNzOkatEiqjWVApRZYFnOV6hjsd3i7btY50ue9s7igEcVzqhxdYvUisRKIN0ywFQTlKkQbEKql7m5nQoTaEj0JyUzJGXy39Z0yoTn8CsWzJeHGvgCgSE1MD-fKaFNP0ABh59zLXwwm0IvFm6ngBL654BWc4XymYYtqrks3NgYcF8H9mTJhWz0F3lxMd_1ax6vGUPGuY_1q0XfehE_15PdnaqvJmrwv-YVB5iTwNabYcI2GvU9JwSQYW3MkIWQdaKKzo45OFv6BETA-GwHX64Jx0mdeiRoPMg4S9dRQ1piToHD2YeRoiNOda3O6PswvifFz3tYv_1Vt1Di_1KxQF-c1bWECMruz5AiO0dagiQ7xYpGho1JKHzLwR9o39j3BJae7uY9n7unwvB9fE3VOQBj-KUgZmp1naRpUt5j6w1zt-xKkB_1B4-4a11D3CpRtHCa20cu_1uqz20kSC2-sHYsPrgEZZtAc-pMEhbu4wcsW7OUp9ZmZldut_1cv0gcS0TjgvFqdCWnszvfvxE5faW9HmmcHlb-vCcfRFqI5unIQJeMNAlwZbnXvfnC8pCJo9h1MRwQnR9kas2u6wIJ-soupLYITYm3pFhYoJ5BZOaX2aSi2YSzxEtBVJBZMa31QiKRwf9ato6cDRaBFOvrYd7tlt7ZF6P3PnMIaoXIHVNbP1fk3Roik6dtip7KnNJ2ECmmjltfQwC7fKa-TrU88FHzGMIjUhqtVSLxc8p1t833lMs7jo2cO1mLmvER0nhtvoOtpJWsLVuH1VcATfjb441LZ4PUMqXHj0YSCFwnjoCSsuMJt6-QBdsrpj4tQjdta7cB9TEvHUJ_1lBzfy_1oHEIIlxw1uCjpEW35LkoGrBB7r0RZqGSR0255YY_1HVEld99JOhFsKzKkMIGanylz52vYTBMaSPS6PpJSCrRxT-UQ2ShIAq70M29Rf4GDybLOqVhff9IIWEZZza1rxooJdek3eI0yKi_1EbgVo9yWGEF3VNYtcak-DM2DQkWs0P0hknWIHF0J62krSjQ1EEB6vBuvlPgC9fO_1Y4oZwXLQF_1EVIkirkNgx2KeoI4Cn9bOV2kkHpgXbBojo7o-CD1hqfccFVeUAVNqw4Y1Sv_1x3pvJ_1VrZhbp8E0j5v6fB005TsKaBc2nMNPHufFPuSNyqers8HlIquiTaElAEYLcJD9iWUByVBUuFgCDtpEuYsmYkHiTHbAtel7fT7IQi3D9klqHE_1Q_1_1zW9hOXyg_1dq8yNSiCWJrvAUdsl4C72yTRYg-2F9pZuEYKOH3GRq3pBLKaBM7Zwj17FZs1P_1ufIDO8JxdCuIUkGvr6q2BVzYC9qGNYBqDTGQ58KY5zXXwCY0v2XuQKxVWuskWEZMuoXTfjM9oePyktfqo4rSeJyvFERYj6gBc9RehO7CApWZMG9hTDBJUMh7oVodpUcOa5aYoiw8yAGLsV_1aYoQlGooHwykQpgLE9Bjyb_1ILGbb_18JSPl22pW6ha3ZlZ7Yw8t6WnshnVwYEPnEJr9oNfiVu4PIV_1Nsz6XGGa4739VRj4IbVJAz0t-sEIMjYTibYADQ25XB5ST5CUgJEs1zd7GaYNtyG2MeswTS6xb8
Also note the huge spike when the A77II was released. Makes perfect sense.
Can’t trust it without a cited source. Looks like the trend I’d expect, but the numbers seem pretty dubious / too dramatic.
*FWIW* – Sony Camera users on Flickr: Camera – Average Daily Users
A6000 – 468
A7 – 434
RX100 – 383
A77 – 297
A7R – 244
a58 – 201
A99 – 146
(all can be found here: https://www.flickr.com/cameras/sony/)
Lol… Sony is so reliable
Looks about like what I see in our camera shop as to A-mount sales. We only have two lenses in stock and an A77II. Probably not going to order any more. No one buys them!!
When I sold off some of my A-mount lenses, one well known camera retailer offered me pretty derisory part ex. figures for them, including £150 for my 70-300 G. They claimed that there just wasn’t any demand for them.
Luckily another retailer offered me MUCH better pricing, but it makes you wonder how much the sales have really stalled.
Last week I tried to sell a nearly brand new Sony 16-50/2.8 lens to KEH and B&H and they only offered me $220 for it! No thanks, I’ll just keep it! Just 6 months ago, they were offering $480 – I still have the quote. For a new, in production, high quality lens to drop over 50% of resale value in 6 months is VERY telling. A-mount is very, very quickly dying. I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t last another year.
Yep, I just sold that lens part ex – Got £250.00 for it I think. Was fairly happy with that. I just got rid because I could only see the used values dropping.
I just sold my 70-200GII for $1,200 on Ebay, and I was happy with THAT! I payed almost 3 grand just a few months ago for it. I had it listed for $2200 for nearly a month on Ebay, no bites at all. So I dropped it to $1800…still no bites. Then to $1200 and after four days had a hit. Pisses me off………….
Ouch!!!
problem with the sony 70 200g2 is its retarded new price, why spend a ton more vs tamron or sigma
I’m suprised you were quoted so high for the 16-50. It’s been going used for 500 for over 2 years now. HOw on earth they quoted you 480 only six months ago sounds like a mistake. As far as trade in values, I’ve seen a decrease across multiple systems. This includes Olympus and Canon stuff as well. It depends on what you have and the desirability of the lens- not the system. I haven’t seen used values on Sony lenses dropping as far as ebay goes except the low end or over produced kit lenses. Bodies- less value drop on the A99’s than the A7 and A7R. I’m not saying your wrong, but maybe there is more going on here. The market is collapsing. To much used merchandise and less and less people buying. It’s not just sony.
The value could change overnight if/when Sony releases new bodies to match and something to show their long term strategy.
Who offered you better pricing?
And tell me again WHY is Sony saying they’re going to continue to develop A-mount???
“A-mount is not dead” is a sony propaganda.
Bye A-mount, this is the reality.
Don’t get too upset, Berry.
WHO is buying this crap?! Why would someone put themselves through this torture?
I am buying this “crap.” And will continue to do so.
lol
State source.
The internet. Surely that is sufficient.
This is completely bogus. Invented.
Gotcha!
This is real.
That’s FAKE!
Those MkII lenses have been announced a long time ago already.
New coatings, SSM, weather-sealing, +1000$ in price… and not like they even update 135ZA or 85ZA that really need it.
It’s all silence on the A-Mount front…
It’s no wonder A-mount is dead.
What a beauty 🙂
Yes. Sony just blows. Laughable. Why would ANYONE put themselves through SONY “Make Believe” Misery???
And every one of those lenses will look like $hit when captured on a Canon sensor. Too bad, but you can adapt them to the A7.
DXO boy
Canon users have learning disabilities. They could never figure out DXO ratings. Hilarious!
But most Canon owners only have a 28-105 mediocre kit lens and possibly one other. If you eliminated all the antiques from that collection you would only have about 5 lenses left.
Every time I see $hit like this I wonder… how many of those does a typical enthusiast or even pro photog ever use, let alone own? It’s always nice to have options, but the quantity=quality=superiority argument is moronic. The complete lineup of A-mount glass is arguably one of the best out there, if not the best so what’s the problem? YOU don’t and probably never will even get your hands on more than 2-3 of pieces of quality glass, so stfu.
I am a Canon pro and CPS member. I own 15 lenses and 5 FF bodies and two crop bodies. So you STFU.
Proof? And wtf are you doing trolling on a Sony rumor site? Flexing your monitor muscles? Poser.
I’m trying to stamp out the nonsense that there’s anything good about Sony cameras. The more users we get over at the Canon camp, the better. Pull your heads up outta the sand, people!
CPS membership gives you, like, extra 20 points, guy. Maybe even 30 extra points. There’s nothing good about Sony cameras? You might as well pull your own head out of a sand, and pull that 800mm out of your rear while you’re at it with nonsense like that.
I don’t own an 800mm…even if I did, I don’t think you realize how big proper prime lenses are, being a Sony tog. I’ve had loaner 800mm’s while my 500mm was being calibrated after my trip to the Sahara last year, and even windy fellas like you would have a struggle to get an 800mm up the posterior. It’s a HUGE objective lens. And rightly so – it gets mounted on proper camera bodies. Canons.
Good lord, “My Sahara” trip… feeling emasculated?
Nope – feeling lucky and appreciative. And proud of my superior camera system. Check out Pop Photo’s March issue – and you’ll see my work.
No idea which work I’d be looking at though props for being published, I never knock others’ work. Owning $30-40K+ makes you an underwhelming minority.
This doesn’t change anything about the topic at stake, however. Same “logic” would then apply to everything from Fuji, Leica, etc. Not having a 100+ models of glass doesn’t make them inferior systems.
Poor canon users all bent out of shape from overpriced crap sensors. Jealousy gets you nowhere. Join in like so many of your colleagues our watch your equipment become worthless.
It’s because Canon rumors is boring and annoying, so he comes to play in our backyard. Just leave him, the poor bastard must salivate over Sony’s new technologies and future uncertainties.
Don’t you ever try to sound smart. You argument is dumper than you.
Dumper.
ROTFL! Who’s the “dumper” one? I bet your mother is proud.
I bet your mother dropped you on your head
Yes, she did. I bounced.
I’m a diehard Sony shooter. I’ve used A-mount since 1992. And even I will admit that Canon stomps Sony flat in so many ways. Bigger is better. But I’m lenslocked so I just make do with second (or third as the case may be) best.
My favorite product line picture is from Olympus. They show a massive spread just like this. Look closer and it’s all double copies of each lens in silver and black. Hilarious.
It’s a bit dated but this is my favorite Sony lens lineup. So pretty…even if it’s not as extensive.
???…oooh…adapters. I get it.
Oh the ones to the right rules man! The ones to the left, not so much but hey, it’s all a matter of taste right? 😀
That shot also includes lenses with and without IS…so if you delete the “duplicated” lenses, you end with a less crowded picture.
They had 77 years to build all this system. It would be shameful if a company that old, whose main product line is photography equipment wouldn’t do it. Nothing to impress in it actually.
I can’t imagine why 24-70/2.8 ZA needs to be updated. I have that lens and it is the sharpest 24-70 I’ve ever owned, even wide open. maybe Canon 24-70II is close, but 24-70II has heavy vignetting, while my 24-70 shows pretty much no vignetting even at 2.8 even wide open which is amazing. I doubt they can make it physically smaller, as that would be the only one thing I could imagine to be better because it is a beast, but so is Nikon 24-70 and Canon 24-70
the bokeh could definitely use some improvement…its rather meh in some situations
If we follow the example of the SAL70200G2 and SAL70400G2, the 24-70 ZA II will have new coating, new SSM motors and a higher price tag. Optical formula will have no change at all. Would like to see an improvement with out-of-focus rendering.
They can add a special coating and weather seal it, that would be an outstanding update.
I didn’t even realize that A-mount was still around. I was under the impression that E-mount replaced A-mount…I guess I was wrong. Now I’m really confused….What’s the point of A-mount now?
Better Autofocus System, better & cheaper lenses
e-mount = toy and marketing stunt
E-mount FS700, FS7, Zeiss Loxia, FE28135 must be nice toys.
These are camcorders nothing to do with serious photography
These are camcorders man. Not photographic cameras. They shoot videos, not photos.
your impression is correcting. Sony won’t tell you A-mount is dead they still have to sell the remaining A-mount stock.
correct*
E-Mount in its current state is in no way a replacement for A-Mount.
Ony in the sense that Sony stopped producing A-Mounts in favor of E-Mounts, but those are totally different products.
“What’s the point of A-mount now?”
Sports/Action/BIF/Aviation photography maybe?. SAL500F40G, SAL300F28G2, SAL70400G2, SAL70200G2 all of them are great lenses that can only be found on A-mount. If Sony keeps promoting the A-mount as a pure sports/action photography equipment it makes sense.
Also the Zeiss 135mm F1.8 ZA and 85mm F1.4 ZA lenses are one of the sharpest lenses for portraits and can be only found on A-mount (and making similar lenses for E-mount would result on lenses even bigger than the upcoming SEL35F14Z).
As you can see with the SEL70200G 70-200mm F4 G OSS, creating telephoto lenses for E-mount is quite complicated. That lens is heavier and bigger than Canon 70-200mm F4 IS USM for SLR cameras so there is no benefit at all in creating long telephoto lenses for E-mount. You can even see the rear element is pretty much away from the lens mount so they can’t even manage to have a small “bright” telephoto lens.
So maybe there is still a point of making A-mount.
Maybe FE mount is the new Leica M and A mount is the new Leica R.
Will A-mount end just like Leica R?
Aren’t the A-mount wides retrofocus designs?
The point of A-mount is to be the professional mount of Sony.
Who will buy A mount lens if the future of A mount is unknown? Or Sony is trying to convince ppl that A mount is still a good investment by updating two lens that doesn’t really need update?
I doubt anyone is dumb enough to buy new A-mount lenses these days. Maybe used, if you can get a great price…but new? Nope.
I am.
Me too 🙂
Just bought the 50mm 1.4 ZA new last week 🙂
I did. You should realize that small cameras are not to everyone’s liking. Besides, using a lens via an adapter brings many issues on the table. lensrental.com has some good information on it if you are interested.
I’m buying and YOU are the dumb here. PEACE!!!
Who will buy FE lenses by years end? You can never adapt them to any other system. Is Sony trying to convince people that Canikon won’t enter the game?
E-mount lenses sell like hot cake. They went out of stock real quick.
Even the worst restaurant on a hot summer day has a spike in lunch sales. What I mean is, E-mount lenses have some user demand as inevitably will happen with a new product. Let’s see where that is in a year. You should never judge the success of product based on one years sales. Always at minimum look at 2 years worth of historical sales data before making any conclusions.
I own both and they complicate each other nicely. Most of the hatred on this site towards the A-Mount is from E-Mount users who have come over from Canon or Nikon. They’re anti-DSLR. I wouldn’t waste my time listening to them.
Who cares about the future?
You’ll probably buy new camera and lens again in another 5 years.
Live in the here and now
I’m planning on buying the 35mm GII, 16-35mm II, 85mm ZA II. The A-Mount future is secure. Cameras like the A77II are outstanding.
Where did they say only two lens? If you read the post again you’ll see “many” A-mount lens. Never in the past has Sony “made a statement” about releasing a lens or updating then not do it.
#facepalm
Sony is really dropping the ball again.
Like many I was closely watching and waiting to hear details about the new FE lenses, and now they won’t say anything.
It’s just so hard to trust them. I was strongly considering buying into the A7 series for a nice travel camera and getting the 90 macro for my macro hobby, but now I have no idea what they’re doing. Maybe I’ll just get an OMD and save weight and money instead. I know the images won’t be quite as good but at least I can be confident of the system.
Olympus OMD EM5ll
Yes, I am considering that camera. It looks very nice for the money and plenty of great lenses to choose.
I would rather choose Fuji. That 56 1.2… nice. APS-C > M4/3 (imo).
I’ve played with the XT1 and didn’t like the control setup. Also, after examining many images I don’t see that vast a difference between the formats. I am watching Fuji though, especially the 120mm macro but that’s not due to late 2016.
Fuji’s sensor is finicky with some RAW converters. But their engineering is lovely, they made X-Pan cameras for Hasselblad and make the new Hasselblad H glass too.
The M43 cams I tried feel a little less toyish than Sony’s, but it is a truly overpriced system, with all minuses and only the size plus. It is a system for nancies or cripples who cannot carry a man camera, and are prepared to pay for that.
I assume you are referring to an RB67 when you refer to a “man camera.” If not, and you’re referring to another 135, then you sir are another ponce!
Our heavenly father is right. You sound like a poof. But you’re still one of God’s creatures.
Som history for all the a-mount doomsday preachers.
KonicaMinolta Dynax cameras was discontinued before the a100 came. Everyone was in panic. Would Sony ever come with a camera for a-mount. The a100 was practically dead before it was announced.
The KM Dynax 7D didn’t get a proper successor in the a100 and I panicked but in vain because one day the a700 was announced and the a-mount was again alive.
The a850 and a900 was discontinued before there ever was a rumor about the a99 (came 4 years after a900). Everyone was panicking because the a-mount was for sure dead.
The a700 was discontinued long before the a77 came. Surely the a-mount was dead.
Then came the DSLT instead of the DSLR and everybody doomed Sony because who would ever use an EVF? Absolutely no one!
I hope you understand me. The death of the a-mount has been predicted so many times and with so many and much bigger reasons than now. The only reason people think the a-mount is dying is because they are very inpatient. So keep calm and buy an a-mount camera!!!
I know right? Around December 2013 I started to hear about people saying “where’s the a99 replacement??” I was like seriously?…. haha patience, people, patience.
What do you know?
I mean, what does “I know right?” mean? I’ve always been confused by that statement. “I know, right?” would make sense, but without the comma I dont get it.
Sorry lol my fault. I was typing fast on my phone. But I meant to say “I know, right??” As in I agree with you
….”I know the images won’t be quite as good…”, priorities man 🙂
The only question that matters is- when will the A99II be released and what are the specs. Everything else is not worth mentioning
(SR5) Here are the specs:
1. – 36mp sensor, High ISO noise 1.3 stop better than the one in A7r.
2. – high ISO DR matches A7S
3. – 10fps (24mp) or 6 fps (36mp)
4. – high quality metal build body
5. – 1280*1024*RGB OLED viewfinder 0.6X magnification
6. – magnification
7. – support 24mp RAW size
8. – dual SD/MS card
9. – Stylish body
10. – modern design unlike old ugly DSLR look
11. – E-mount, of course.
Yes! E-mount! I just need LAEA6 w/ wider AF points and I will be super happy!
Thank you Mr, Hirai!
Love from US
Have you tried using a SAL300F28G2 or SAL70200G via LA-EA4 with a E-mount camera?
SAL14TC and SAL20TC Teleconverters don’t work properly with LA-EA adapters. You loose Focus and Aperture control.
You had me till number 11.
Who cares about all that? Release an NEX-7 replacement and some new fast APS-C primes already. Weather seal it too to compete with Oly.
And another bunch of tiny cameras and lenses are supposed to fix what exactly?
GAS
Here it is ladies. Your precious A9 A mount. Pony up. You know you want it you sick E mount freaks! EMBRACE THE SICKNESS!!!!!!!!!
awwee if that was real I would be so happy, drop a beautiful sony 50mp sensor and all other features would be secondary.
Unfortunately I can see the photoshop blend point on the left side of the grip, plus difference in colour. Also the sony logo is warped in a strange way 🙂
I found the original, undoctored image.
Mmm…T-mount lenses….toilet mount.
SORRY!
love it.
See what monstrosities FE mount allows users to create! It’s a golden slong!!
Like….
I hear that lens there performs better than the 24-70 F4.
Lol! Lol! Lol!
That Petzval is actually one of the most interesting lenses out there, wish it came in FE mount too.
Lol!
lens wise a mount needs some long primes, upgrades from screw drive, tilt shift lenses too.
the rear optic is normaly far forward on long lenses, so the short flange doesnt make much difference, you wont gain much if anything with a normal design. and yeah buying e mount glass you will be unlikely to adapt it to anything else in the future, so… :/ while if say canon or nikon produce a killer mirrorless, we could take our a mount lenses there, or to mft.
Preach it.
Sony should release a D4S/1DX competitor for A-mount with the a7S sensor. Then I will spam Sigma to release a 120-300mm F2.8 DG HSM -Sport- for A-mount.
The a7S is a great little camera but can’t keep up with sports/action photography and using Teleconverters on E-mount cameras with LA-EA adapters is a no-go. No focus nor aperture control. Couldn’t even track aircrafts coming towards me and the a6000 isn’t THAT great in low-light as A7S. Once you try the a7S, everything else seems just noisier and you get used at shooting at ISO12800 too much.
Sony, if you’re reading this. If you release an A-mount 1Dx competitor I would literally buy it tomorrow along with the 300mm F2.8 G SSM II. Maybe I’ll by the 500mm F4 G SSM too while I’m at it!.
A-mount has no chance
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1749/4108/original.jpg?w=600&h
If it were just because of amount of users, do you think Leica or Hasselblad would exist today?
And do you think that such a camera like a D4S/1DX competitor is intended for the masses?
EDIT: would like to see the source of that poll.
That one is as fake as it gets 🙂
If I were them I would scrap A-mount and move faster to all E-Mount lineup. Keeping both of them is a waste of resources and is only confusing consumers and also making Sony appear as though they have no clear direction.
I am a consumer of Sony photography products and I am not confused. “Clear direction” is subjective to what one wants and needs (or who one may or may not troll/shill for). If you can be better fulfilled by some other product, then so be it. For my needs, Sony cameras are definitely pro and fulfill my professional needs.
Beyond, Canon and Nikon each have mirrorless systems as well, they just don’t have anything to compete with Sony’s mirrorless system. Are you saying Canon should scrap there DSLR mount too? It just doesn’t make sense. Having two systems isn’t bad thing because it allows for support for a wider range of needs at the photographer level.
Jack of all trades, master of none. That is my current perception of Sony. Sensors being the exception.
Fair on enough, but I’d say they’re easily the master in the high ISO game with the A7S, and it’s why it sold so well. If they put a similar sensor in an A-mount body with crazy hybrid AF and huge or unlimited buffer, they’d be a serious contender for Sports too.
Sony gets little respect (and sales) on their A-mount DSLTs. I’m primarily a Nikon sports and surfing shooter and needed a 10+ FPS cropped frame body. Nikon certainly doesn’t have one so I bought a A77 II with 70-400 and can shoot at 12 FPS at max aperture. Even the new Canon EOS 7D Mark 2 can’t do that and DXO ranks the A77 substantially better then the new 7D II even at $800 less cost. No need to buy the new Nikon 80-400. I didn’t plan on expanding my A-mount system but ended getting the Tamron 150-600 which works great and recently ordered the Venus 60 2X macro because the digital viewfinder will allow the lens to be focused at F16. The A-mount system is way better than I originally imagined.
Cutting their A mount would show Sony as a company that doesn’t care for its customers and will ruin its already bad reputation in the market.
Sony can’t keep all its eggs in the E mount basket. They already have a reasonably complete Alpha lens line up. The E mount has a just a few very expensive slow zooms and prime lenses with no real third party support other than a few manual focus lenses.
If tomorrow Canon launches a special mirrorless full frame camera with fast AF using an inexpensive adapter for all their Canon EF lenses then who will buy E mount cameras ?
As it is the Sony FE lenses aren’t exactly compact so if Canon does perform a coup in the mirrorless market then Sony’s days of market leadership in the mirrorless market are as good as over.
I want 50-150f2.8 for crop :(( please sony, make it real quickly!!!
internal 4k… 600,-$ Panasonic Lx-100…!
oh.. we have no light oh we film in the black toilet??? :=?)