Mr Aoki from Sony (Image courtesy: Quesabesde)
Quesabesde interviewed Mr. Aoki from Sony and these are the highlights of the interview:
1) Sony said they are developing many important new cameras but the announcement time didn’t fit with this year Photokina.
2) Sony decided to focus on lens announcement first because there was an urgent demand for it.
3) Our main efforts go to Full Frame E-mount cameras but there will obviously new APS-C E-mount cameras and lenses in future.
4) When asked about a possible medium format camera or A7 with high megapixel count Sony said they cannot comment on future products but confirmed they are working on “Innovative” products.
5) Aoki also confirmed they are developing the SLT tech. But he didn’t unveil any info about future products (of course).
6) Finally a confirmation: The “perfume-selfie” KW1 camera (here at Sony Hong Kong) has a curved sensor!
The fact the KW1 has a curved sensors confirmes also that our sources were right. And the same sources said the curved sensor FulL Frame RX is coming…so let’ see how soon this one will become true!
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Does this have any perfume in it? The swarowski crystals have been highlighted but no info on the flavor..
“Aoki also confirmed they are developing the SLT tech. But he didn’t unveil any info about future products (of course)” – unfortunately this could mean adaptors rather than bodies…
If … as seems to be the case….Sony wants to shift towards E mount and away from A mount…then compatability really needs to be the top priority.
Both A mount and non Sony lenses….Canikon…need adapters that make them fully compatable.
For Canikon an LAEA4 like adadptor could be a possible solution.
For A mount incorporating image stabilzation either into the adaptor or an E mount camera is necessary.
Canon and Nikon are playingg Sony for a sucker by just giving Sony enough rope to hang itself.
They are waiting before entering the mirrorless ff market.
This allows Sony to compete without competition and alienate and abandon thier A mount user base.
Once they have lost thier old core customers Canikon will enter the mirrorless market and take back the market share that they allowed E mount to gain.
This will be another well deserved market disaster for Sony…and the camera division will share the fate of the tv, computer and cellphone divisions.
Same management, same tactics, same result.
Sony is rapidly running out of divisions to run into the ground.
At one point I thought you were on to something, Barry. Now you’re just starting to ramble nonsense like the majority of clueless folks out there. Pure guesswork with little substance.
It seems no matter what might or might not happen people aren’t happy.
His statements are easily the least objective around here (which is saying something).
What Barry does is make up bullsh*t and then attribute that to a bullsh*t source (a talk with a Sony exec). Then he starts to believe his own bullsh*t and expect that it’s going to come true. Then it doesn’t come true and he gets all disappointed and blames Sony and rails on and on about how they disappointed him and how he’s going to cover up his Sony logo or some such bullsh*t. He’s a complete tool and doesn’t realize that when we use the term “Barrycam” we are actually making fun of him because he’s sh*t stupid.
Well, I (aim to) stick to discussing / debating / sharing ideas and not [insulting] the people on here – as absurd as some of those ideas may be.
Interesting vicious theory you have there. Sony is wiping the floor with everyone with mirrorless tech that is really re-approaching photography and pushing the limits. If Canon and Nikon don’t figure out how to keep pace, they will bleed out.
“Sony is wiping the floor with everyone with mirrorless” – that’s what only happening in the mirrorless league.
Canon and Nikon own the DSLR market, and Sony is lagging behind there.
I did not say market, I said tech. Sony is wiping the floor with Canon and Nikon with forward thinking camera tech. Market share is moving in Sony’s direction, and not because of the A mount system. Many SLR users are moving to mirrorless, and many entry level new photographers are choosing to start out with mirrorless over SLR.
You overestimate what happens. Majority of mirrorless owners other upgraded from smartphone (typical asian customer profile) or use mirrorless as their secondary system, instead of a high-end compact (rest of the world). Movement of customers between Mirrorless and DSLR is marginal.
*other -> either.
I believe Canikon strategy is to wait…
Sony is doing a better job of losingvthier own customers than Canikon could ever do to take them away. .A mount customers…. only because with no competition and doing well in mirrorless Sony doesnt care about A mount customers…
Once Sony destroys A mount Canikon will then enter the ff mirrorless marked wiyh the newest technology, and they will make it fully compatable with existing Canikon lenses.
They will instantly take the lead in the mirrorless market and Sony would already have lost the A mount markrt that could have saved them.
Sony’s.weakness is that they are not capable of seeing anything beyond corporate profit and are not a camera company.
It is obvious that Canikon is waiting. When they come to the market with their mirrorless cameras then the other brands are in the lead. The established a name with their cameras. The number of mirrorless users that will tell that Canikon is the way to go is much lower then the number that tell that Sony, Fuji, Samsung etc. is the best camera.
Then Canikon will see that the DSLR market is slowing down and they have no market to fall back on and well, look at the famous Kodak brand…
I think I have a clearer idea of Nikon’s mirrorless vision than Canon’s.
Nikon went 1″ to push the limits of compactness (fail), put out a system complementing but not competing with their DSLRs (jury’s out), and to gain experience with mirrorless (marginal success). They’re telling us the performance isn’t there yet for them to put out larger bodies.
Canon appears to me to be foot-dragging. Their first APS-C was half-hearted at best with them now talking some weirdness about finding a M43’s partner.
That’s why Sony is hold back their secret weapon in reserve – the BarryCam!
I don’t believe Sony is Going to kill the A-mount. They want Nikon and Canon Users. That’s why they built the E-mount. Slt Tech is gong forward with the Ideas I have said, they should do. Introduce in Camera filters. Real filters for real Photographers. This is a way Sony can sell filters is make them inter changeable inside the cam. If you put a ND filter of a high enough strength? You lose AF correct? Not with SLT. SLT ND filter reflects light to the sensor for AF. Filters, Etc.
I really hope they don’t kill it, but it concerns me that they’re so candid about e-mount but evasive about a-mount.
Yeah, I went back and watched their A77II presentation. After using the camera I no longer have the impression it was a quick warmover. It’s a fairly significant upgrade at an excellent price point. My only complaint is that it doesn’t have two card slots. Anyway, Sony cannot afford to leak details about A mount given the current market. It’s also necessary to draw attention to FE- after all, it’s still in it’s first year. 2015 really could be the year of A mount.
The only filter most people currently use is s circulsr polarizer.
Not sure if that will be the end result. But I do feel like an alienated A-mount full frame user, pushed to consider CanNikon.
And I’m confident that CanNikon will eventually go mirrorless — in a way that fully supports their existing lenses.
Even if I stay with a-mount, I will not buy any more a-mount lenses, because I am no longer confident they will be supported in the future.
I keep thinking about Nikon, but the cost of switching really peev’s me. Maybe worse is the thought that they’ll come out with a stellar A99II and next year announce new lenses, etc. There is just zero to go on at the moment.
The D750 looks very tempting as mostly an upgrade from the A99… 24mp Sony sensor, slightly faster burst rate, slightly better buffer, much better AF system…..
But yeah, I’ve done the math — Re-selling my used fairly complete A99/Sony/Minolta kit (A99+flash+10 lenses) would give me enough to get a D750 starter kit. (body plus 1-2 lenses and flash).
And adding to the hesitation that Sony *could* announce a major upgrade over the A99 any time. But I’m having more and more doubts. Even the rumors about earlier 2015, are starting to feel more like E-mount rumors. (Due to confusion about the naming, there were rumors that the A7 was an a-mount camera).
If Sony really wants to keep people like me in the A-mount camp, they need more than some vague talk about continuing to develop SLT. The fact that they didn’t even promote the A77ii at Photokina makes those words sound very hollow.
I’m going to go try it out tomorrow. I hear the live view is garbage, but the IQ is pretty fantastic- plus dual card slots which I need at this point. I’m sweating bullets at weddings worrying about loosing my files. I’ll give it a try- why not.
I tried it briefly.. Yes, the live view is total garbage. But when using the viewfinder, the AF is better than the A99 — especially for tracking and burst shooting.
Biggest issue in some ways, is just learning a different interface. Definitely seems like the A99 interface is much simpler, with multiple ways to change the same setting, more customization. For example, you can’t change the D750 AF mode and area through the menu settings (at least not that I can figure out), it has to be with the AF button and control dial. Not the AF button and they arrow keys, not the menu.. it has to be the AF button and control dial.
If you watch the presentation they did for the A77II you don’t get the impression they’re abandoning A mount. They really put a lot of work into the camera and it is class leading in many respects. Hemorrhaging money doesn’t help though, and they can only develop so much.
A77II was just an updated a77. Not a new camera.
Except for a few empty word Sony has done nothing to demonstrate support for A mount.
Have you shot with the A77II? If not, you should rent it and give it a try. I thought the same thing, but the AF is vastly improved and the ISO performance is much better despite Dxomark’s scores. My own eyes confirm this as well as many other reviews online. Better sensor, better operating system, better JPEGs, better AF, better central processor. It may only be one stop worse than the A99 at at this point in terms of noise. Upgraded EVF- doesn’t sound like an update as much as a total redesign outside of the shell. No one else even comes close to offering that many features with excellent liveview in one tight and relatively cheap package.
What exactly then do you consider a “new” camera? I can only assume you’rr referring to resolution.
I have an A77II, A77 and A65.
Yes I have used all of them.
A77II is an A77 with some improvements but not a new camera.
Well, can’t argue with that then. What do you consider new?
Even though sensor is improved still a 24mp sensor.
New would be higher mp.
Ok, so just different priorities. I don’t disagree with your wanting more MP’s but that doesn’t mean the camera isn’t new. Outside of this it’s fairly upgraded in nearly every aspect- and the sensor still is new. But then again, you have one so can’t really argue there. I wait eagerly for the A99II but until then- it’s going to be the A77II.
From a manufacting/cost/commitment point of view it makes all the difference since using the same body and sensor with improvements reduces cot…as I predicted 2 years ago we have not seen more than a 24mp C or 36mp ff exmor bayer sensor ever..because we will move on to newer technology.
We do not know that Sony will or will not keep A mount and people will always have doubts.
That is why a safety net is absolutely essential..that people know that if A mount is discontinued their lenses will be fully functional on the new Sony camera.
I have been following official Sony statement and they have all been carefully worded to sound reasuring but make absolutely no commitment.
Far from being reasuring such comments are very unasuring.
Even admin is reluctant to post A mount news….If admin..with all his inside info…lacks confidence how could we not also lack confidence.
A7m2 is as much a small update as the Canon 7dm2 is a small update. What is better in the A77m2 compared to the A77? Better focussing system (with 79 focuspoints covering more of the picture, better LCD screen, build in WIFI, standard hotshoe, new processor, new sensor, etc.
It is a real big update, So you could say it is a new camera.
Dear mr Barry, can you show me one brand that give you adapters that offer full compatability with their cameras? Every brand want to sell as much cameras and lenses, they don’t want to give the lenses away to an other brand…
Then an adapter with build in OSS is just technicly not possible so stop asking for that. IBIS in E-mount is not something we can expect to happen soon. What is very well possible is that Sony will come with A-mount cameras without mirror, this only when the AF is fast enough for it. Those cameras will have IBIS.
And Canon is behind on the mirrorless market as they did not see the mirrorless cameras as a thread to there DSLRs. Now Sony and Fuji show them that it is they have to do something, but that is probably to late, unless they come with a realy great system. But will people believe Canon when they tell that they are serious, they said that when launching the EOS-M system and look how serious they are with that!
Canon and Nikon have a long way to go to get near Sony and Fuji on the mirrorless market… And a plan? They don’t have it, they are just thinking that their brand name will help them, the same way it did help Kodak.
Ther was an old movie…Miracle on 34th Street.
In the film the store Santa…who claimed to be real..
Sent Macy customers to competitors stores…contrary to management policy…to get just the right product if Macy’s didnt have it.
At first management was furious…but then everyone came to Macy’s the store with a heart…and all the NY stores started doing it.
Sony likes to be an inovator but has only succeeded in technology inovations.
Cross platform compatability would be an innovation that consumers want. To be the first to accomplish that would be a competitive advantage..consumers would like it and Sony sales would improve.
Eventually the competition would follow..but this would be a win for everyone.
There are certainly a lot more Canikon users to gain than Sony users to lose.
Sony does not need to convert them..nor could they if they wanted too…just sell them a camera that they could use with what they have.
Arca Swiss did it with their universal mount system….It has certainly helped rather than hurt them.
I doubt that Canon, or Nikon consider the Sony ‘A’ mount as a competition that needs to be killed off. They have their own roadmaps and their own sense of the market. I think that staying alive in a world dominated by cellphone photographers would be of greater concern.
those cellphone photographers are all people who would have bought a compact, not a DSLR with 5 lenses.
You give Canon and Nikon WAY too much credit. Just look at EOSM and Nikon 1 and you’ll see that neither values mirrorless at all or has a clue that consumers want a small system without compromise. And I have little doubt that Sony needs either of them to drive their camera business into the ground: their ADD will do that all on its own. When a company has to assure customers that it is still making products (as in the case of A mount), the end is clearly in sight. Panasonic and Fuji are the only two manufacturers who get it, and when their organic sensor arrives, it will be game over for everyone else.
You say consumers want a small system without compromise …and for many people that is true…but for many people no compromise means full compatability and IBIS and they consider the small size as a compromise.
Many of us dont care about small and want a fully funtional mirrorless system. Ther are certainly more than enough of us that want that to justify putting IBIS in the top of the line E mount system…as well as desighning an adapter…mayby like the LAEA4…that will allow full high speed AF with Canikon lenses.
As for Olympus or Fuji overtaking Sony…they have even less complete systems than Sony so I do not see them as too much of a threat..of coarse Sony should definitely never underestimate them.
Yes, I think we agree. By “small,” I mean EM1 or A7 or GH4 sized. “Big” is an A99, 5DM3 or 1DX. 🙂
Apart from a great EVF, what is the benefit of a “big” mirrorless? Seems like an accessory grip would help balance larger legacy glass, and could come off when not needed.
Agree that IBIS should be a priority.
I don’t think Canikon is considering also-ran Sony DSLRs in their mirrorless strategy. Canikon is playing it conservative because, unlike Sony, they can’t afford to alienate their DSLR base and watch them walk.
There’s a classic American TV ad where an arrogant executive says of his customers, “I care but I don’t really care care.” That’s Sony’s attitude about a-mount customers. They care about our business but they really don’t care that much they’re not going to keep shoving our wants to the back of the line.
But it is more logical to have bodies too. A-mount is still very important to Sony, don’t forget it.
Need an A-mount adapter that somehow adds OSS.
Why go through that complication when there is EOS system of lenses, many with IS.
Sony should invest cash in developing an adapter that will also allow for fast AF of EOS lenses on E mount cams.
I’d love that (though I’d be surprised to see Sony support Canon rather than their own lenses, or their partner Zeiss). How good/fast is the current metabones adapter? Maybe metabones can hire away some of the Sony engineers to improve it.
Not going to happen unless Canon is willing to license their tech to Sony.
Tamron has a patent for a .9-1.5x teleconverter with built in optical stabilization.
If this could be added to an LAEA4 adapter it would allow stabilized use of A mount lenses on E mount cameras and turn a prime lens into a zoom lens.
You know what? That patent is from 2001, so nearly 14 years old and no stabilized teleconverter yet… And then when you use this converter you add an optical system to your camera. A system that will slow down your lens, that will add abberation and other lens faults and it will change your FL. It is not what we all want…
Starts at .9 x
Thats a slight speedbooster.
If this were made as a high quality converter it would be usefull.
Of course the only reason it is necessary is that Sony is too damn stubburn to listen to all thier customers that want IBIS in a high end E mount camera.
It’s not that Sony is stubborn. They would LOVE to be able to provide IBIS as a feature. But it’s incredibly challenging, and they don’t have the tech to do it. The flange distance is too small for IBIS. I’m certain they are working on developing the tech, and everyone hopes they succeed, but the tech just doesn’t exist yet for E-mount. I’m hoping their purchase into Olympus will ultimately result in E-mount IBIS tech.
An slt adaptor for Canon and Nikon lenses to work on E mount would be a very good idea.
Is there anything not coming soon from Sony?
-OVF
-Manual focus only in video mode
-Heavy bulky cameras
-non-tilt screen
Oops these are Canikon technology LOL
– actioncams without image stabilization
– small sensor mirrorless
– and the 54MP Barry Sensor 😉
that barry sensor always get me haha! good laugh, good laugh. it is so worth checking this site out as always 🙂
Curious if the z3 has a curved sensor. And why does the new iPhon.e camera out perform it. When we basically know it is a Sony Sensor. 🙂
Maybe because the iPhone has less megapixel 😉
fewer megapixels
But, it seems all these higher mp … camera phone camera’s seem to be Resizing Down for better IQ. … and the Test should be at equal output … say like on DPR widget … Print and web output. … just thinking out loud. 🙂
Z3 does not have the curved sensor. It will becoming in a phone early next year.
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geat produce more garbage… have some kids at foxcon built it….
I am very excited about the RX curved sensor camera. Assuming the sensor/lens performance is up to recent standards, I feel like it could be my most used (albeit expensive) daily shooter.
will not happen…. curved sensors that is for normanl cameras.
Sony misunderstood.
Let’s make it clear: We don’t want lens announcements. We want real lenses.
Ok, so they should just wait to launch lenses and not pre announce them nor tell us what they are planning? Cool, just don’t read about them.
I’m just quoting the article: ‘Sony decided to focus on lens announcement first because there was an urgent demand for it.’
We want real lenses now! Makes more sense to me 😀
Yes but doe we want cr@ppy lenses now or good lenses in a few month?
Perfume to mask the fact that Sony stinks right now.
that’s only partially true Barry. the reason to use a circular polarizer is because lens elements used to focus on the outside they put polarizers in sunglasses and their effective at glare and they can put a polarizing filter inside the camera and be the same effective it has a circular polarizer I hope this is the way Sony is going to develop SLT technology it’ll be great way for Sony to sell filters and you can have a filter for every lens without having to change filters on every lens
Does this contain real perfume? Is it activated only when you spray yourself with perfume? Why would people want to capture the moment you spray yourself with fragrance? My mind is boggled by this.
Admin, are the rumors suggesting multiple RX FF cameras coming along? Perhaps a refreshed RX1 MKII (basically the same body, but upgraded AF, Wifi, Etc) along with a curved sensor RX? I’d really like to see them refresh the RX1 to a MKII and keep the MKI in the marketplace, but at a lower price point like they did with the RX100.
And a built in EVF, I hope
I’d be prepared to bet that curved sensors will produce results no different to any other, even though pixel peeping may go to a new level in an effort to decide!
Certainly, in theory, it makes lens design easier and cheaper, but will the consumer see a difference? I doubt it and I’m pretty sure the ONLY thing that would drive this technology is the prospect of cheaper overall manufacturing, rather than superior results.
Well, it’s just like pushrod V8’s. They are cheaper to produce than DOHC’s but they’re still winning races. I think they will produce better results at higher ISO. For the right consumer, that can be a big advantage.
I’m going to get sidetracked here. You’ve picked a bad example.
Today’s pushrod(OHV) V8’s are just as advanced as OHC V8’s. Both technologies are old. OHV is wider, while OHC is taller. There are other advantages and disadvantages to both, as a statement to the OHV’s, a Corvette OHV V8 outperforms BMW M3’s OHC Twin Turbo-V8 in size, power and fuel economy, but looses in noise and ease of maintenance of the head.
OHC engine is perfect for low displacement, narrow engine bay as well as high hood line applications, while OHV is good for low hood line, wide but shallow engine bay and high displacement.
I was referring to the cost- I completely agree on push rod technology advancements. I can appreciate both, but own an LS1 so I’m somewhat biased.
I thought the main purpose was to allow lens designs to be simpler? Given some of the lens curve could be replaced by sensor curve etc.? This in the end should allow Sony to make and hopefully sell lenses cheaper (and smaller) than comparable standard lens designs. Oh and not to mention sell us all new Bodies and…. wait for it…. new Lens Mounts C-Mount for (Curved) .
Curved sensors will go with fixed lens, not interchangeable, so no mount.
Darn, I was afraid of that… although I don’t understand why, I could see where Zooms might be a bit of a problem but seems like they could do a line of removable Primes that would be designed hit the curved focus points just fine. Maybe in the future unless I am missing something about the technology and the curve of the sensor must change with each focal length.
So… A-Mount and SLT a..a..are alive? 😮
It’s Alive!
Yes, surprised? Many here said it a thousand times….
Really? I only see dead dead dead dead dead here dead there dead everywhere
Its alive and kicking, for now…. There are two reasons why people scream Dead, dead, dead. 1 – trolling to get under your skin, 2 – blind e-mount fanboys, who wish for funds to be redirected, but don’t realize what will happen to E-Mount today, if A-Mount goes to the sewer. 3 – A-Mount users, who are dissapointed by the lack of news/direction from Sony as well as the lack of camera bodies.
Thats ALL they have been doing is SAYING it is alive…thats why no one totally believes them.
exactly
I guess you saw the timeline on the Sigma 150-600mm S and new teleconverters? Still no word on the C.
Eh, the A77m2 is just 5 months old, is that not an action?
It is yo and some others who tell this kind of nonsens And you know what? When you go on and on like this people may start to believe you, so they stop buying new A-mount cameras and then Sony may have to drop the A-mount and then you shout: Look didn’t I tell you?
New A-mount stuff will come, just like new E-mount APS lenses and cameras will come, and new FE lenses and cameras will come.
Wake up and smell the manure!
Sony is devoting almost all thier photo division resources to a new mount that they stubburnly refuse to make compatable with A mount.
This is why they fail and this is why they deserve to fail.
They could have built IBIS into a high end E mount but they stubbornly refuse.
The only compatable lenses made are a handfull of Sigma lenses with oss.
They have so alienated lens manucacturers with thiertactics that they wont build the newest best lenses for A mount…like the sigma 150-600 sport or thier new teleconverters.
I might think of buying a mirrorless Sony camera if it were functional on Canikon lenses so I could actually buy the lenses I want for it…but they stubbornly refuse to make the high speed focus compatable.
They also stubbirnly refuse to learn from the tv, cellphone and computer devision mistakes they made that ran them into the ground.
So wake up and smell the manure!
By the way the a77II is an update to an old camera..not a new camera..same body..still 24mp
If Sony wants to stubbornly rfuse to listen to thier customers they deserve to fail.
Sony may be getting ready ti finally release another ff camera…hopefully they will put the latest tech in it ..wbich they have not done since the original a77…
But unless they provide full compatabilty for this E mount system they totally deserve to fail.
Fabulous!
every damn day, I’m waiting for the RX1s
all these words are so much full of energy, i hear you man, i hear you
all these words are so full of energy, i hear you man, i hear you
wheres the confirmation?
i cant find it anywhere.
IF, and a really big if, it had a curved sensor?
why sony not flag it? suddenly sony is modest? yeah! rigth…
when they developed the backside sensor, they tell everybody they had better sensor tech.
when they developed the “best” smartphone camera in z2, all the world note it.
when they sold the first fullframe mirrorles camera in rx1, they cant stop talking about it.
how can they sale the first curved sensor in the world and keep silent.
im sorry, but until someone tear down that perfume and show me the curved sensor inside, i dont believe theres one inside
Is this really where the future of photography is going? Perfume fu**ing selfie camera – seriousely?!? Then PLEASE send me back to the past! Sony – you’re prostituting yourself with projects like this…
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bou·tique cam·er·a
bo͞oˈtēk/ˈkam(ə)rə/
noun
noun: boutique camera; plural noun: boutique cameras
1. a device for recording visual images in the form of photographs, film, or video signals that is overly fancy for it’s purpose.
2. a Sony KW1.
Origin
mid 19th century: from Latin (see camera, camera obscura).