In an interview with DC.watch Sony confirmed once again A-mount development is going on. And that’s also the kind of info I keep “receiving” from trusted and anonymous sources. I am trying to get some more reliable detailed info about the possible future A-mount stuff release. Let’s hope I can post more “solid” rumors soon!
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Maybe everything was put on hold due to the new sensors, so instead of updating the A99 with the 36MP Bayer sensor they have decided to wait until the new year and use next generation sensors.
I hope you are right Andy. Looking forward to a “ground breaking” A-mount dSLR…
Sony, do it and prove it! Make Believe… 🙂
Sony will not make any DSLRs anymore.
But we knew what Kalpurush meant, except it appears you.
SLT is a type of DSLR.
Maybe, perhaps the new cameras will not have a mirror, maybe they will have a global shutter, interesting times ahead in 2015
I hope so. Given that the a99 recycled a lot of the a77 tech, a 36mp version with the a77ii af would have been an easy win. If I was guessing, they’re holding back and photokina was just a marketing fail.
That needs a proper translation.
Okay, that is something like the tenth time we hear Sony is not planning to drop A-mount any time soon. If that is not clear now it will never be. Time to get another thing confirmed: is Sony still commited to APS-C E-mount, especially lenses?
Why should they not? Just because there were no Photokina releases!? There were TONS of APS E-mount lenses the last years and the lens lineup is pretty huge already. FE just needed more attention for now. Oh and do not forget, all FE lenses work on APS-C E-mount, maybe even with highest quality, as then only their sweet spot is used ;)…
Please people all, stop these “oh no lens for X months, it must be dead, Sony must feal not commited anymore”.
Oh, but I agree that FE lenses needed more attention and I do not think APS-C is dying. However, Sony did not talk about any future plans for APS-C either. There is a roadmap for FE, I have not seen any roadmap for APS-C.
Given that everything they announced at photokina is compatible, I can’t see any reason to be overly worried. The basic lens selection is good and things like the 90mm macro will be a nice addition.
Yes, you are right, the basic lens selection is very good, except for some tele primes and macro lenses maybe. And yes, it is all compatible, but there are cases where I would rather see a dedicated APS-C version of the lens. Most notably in faster zoom lenses because the FE lenses have an odd range on crop.
I agree there – there’s no excuse for f4 apsc zooms…
Lets see. When looking at Amazon’s best sellers list, there are 3 APS cameras from Sony in the top 5, on the places 1-3. On number 5 is the first FF camera. (this list chances constantly, but in the last moths I’ve never seen les then 4 Sony APS cameras in the top 10, it did happen more then once that there was no FF Sony camera there.
So would Sony kill the goose with the golden eggs? When I listen here I would say yes of course, they have a new toy! But when I listen to logic the answer is NO! pick what ever answer you want.
And about APS lenses, Sony will develop some of them, but more special lenses will be developed for FF, so they can sell them to the APS users too. Remember that for some lenses size difference between FF and APS in lenses is not much, price difference will very small too when it is not a much sold lens.
So I think Sony will keep on developping new E-mount lenses, but most of them will be FF, so we can use them on our APS cameras too.
Sony has surprised me a number of times with their descisions. Like releasing their best APS-C camera ever (reviews), the A6000, and then not backing it up with lenses that could make it a real winner. Not that the existing lenses are bad in any way, but nothing much really mindblowing to push the camera beyond the competition (in the lenses).
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I don’t mind FE lenses that are about the same size and price as APS-C versions and I am not part of the “mirrorless = small lenses” crowd either. If a lens needs to be big, let it be big. However: if it can be considerably smaller and/or cheaper on APS-C, then I would like an APS-C version.
Sony is consolidating APS-C mirrorless because the cropped sensor segment is saturated with competition. FF mirrorless is a market they created so dominate for now. In a small way, what happened to the a-mount is happening to e-mount APS-C. Sony meets resistance from the competition then picks up their ball to play elsewhere. The big difference being they have an overall commitment to mirrorless, not so much for DSLRs.
It’s kinda silly how people always whine “A-mount is dead”, just because they don’t get 3-5 lenses a year. And we are talking about a lens lineup that is relatively complete.
Many of the lens designs date back to minolta and film days (35mm g, 20mm, etc) and some of the Sony Zeiss lenses lack SSM (85mm & 135mm). There is no ultrawide rectilinear prime ( like canon’s 14mm or Zeiss’s 15mm). There is no 24-105/f4 zoom.
It is a “mature” system – as such it has some old lenses and still has holes in the lineup.
Many of the Canon and Nikon lenses go back to the old days too. And many of the lenses Sony offers for the A-mount are new designs (20 to be precise)
You say there is no 24-105 f4 lens in the Sony lineup, but there is a 16-105 f3.4-f5.6 lens. No not the same but very close. Maybe you should take what is there and not look to much what is not.
The WA prime, you do know that the 14mm f2.8 Canon costs about $2000? Do you realy want that lens? Or do you think that Sony will be able to create that speciality for a lot lower price. And don’t forget that that Canon lens is arround since 2007(so when Sony did came with that lense we would labeled it as a Minolta lens)!
How is an aps-c variable aperture 16-105 close to a full frame 24-105/f4??
There are major fullframe gaps in the lineup. If I was shooting Canon/Nikon, my main lenses would be a 24-105/4 and 70-200/f4. Two huge sellers for Canon/Nikon that don’t exist for Sony.
Very few SSM lenses. Many lenses are still screw drive. Very few weather sealed lenses. The only ff ultra wide zoom is the $2k Zeiss — Canon and Nikon have multiple options at multiple price points.
The lens gaps are exaggerated by Sony haters, but underestimated by Sony fanboys.
I agree with you that there are lens gaps, but you sound like you’re not considering Minolta lenses. They had this beercan thingy…
I own and like the beercan. But you can’t compare a 25 year old $70 used lens, screw drive, horrid CA, with modern $1000 lens offerings.
Screw drive is noisy, but not slower than SSM. CA is fairly easy to correct and stop the beercan down to like 5.6 and it performs much better. I think you can compare them, but I see where you are coming from. I guess I’m partial to that lens because I do think it has a unique character that supersedes some of its shortcomings.
I don’t think anyone’s saying Sony can’t compete, it’s more a question of why they won’t compete…
So what? Do you need SSM to shoot great pictures? What makes lenses designed in 20xx better than 19xx? Do you need a 24-105 F4 to do serious photography?
Sure, for some cases the A-mount system is not usable. Wideangle prime needed? Tilt-Shift required? Go to a different system. But you knew that before you bought A-mount in the first place!!
I shoot stills & videos, SSM is silent unlike the screw drive. Also, one day in the not too distant future screw drive lenses may be left out in the cold for adapting to e-mount.
Lenses designed with a film sensor in mind tend to perform better (less CA, distortion, greater sharpness) than those designed for a film plane. Does the Otus do better than the ZF/ZE planar? I’ll answer for you – yes by a long shot.
We do not need a lot of things – SSM, Wi-Fi, TTL, IBIS, AF or more than 36 shots at a time so why bother, right? There is no need for Sony to strive to improve as a camera maker or for photographers to strive to improve their work (either for themselves or their clients).
Although your Statement begs the question – why are you visiting a future product rumor site if you are perfectly content with current products and features.
Sure, T/S is a problem, but I find my Min 20/2.8 to be a very capable wide-angle prime.
There are T/S lenses from Schneider Kreuznach available for a-mount.
Personally, I own two old fully manual Nikon shift lenses on which I exchanged the mount.
Sure… Who needs any new lenses or variety. We should all just shoot with a minolta 50/1.7. All other lenses should be discontinued, who needs them.
Simple fact — there are some fairly significant gaps in the a-mount lens lineup. The lineup is not unusable. Basic needs can be met. But you can’t pretend it’s as complete as other systems.
Samyang 14mm f2.8 is A-Mount and better than the Canon. 24-105mm they did an f3.5-4.5 for a while and it’s decent, but they dropped it for a 28-75mm f2.8.
I looked at the 28-75mm for a lightweight walk around lens when I feel like taking a break from the 24-70. The size & weight differences don’t seem substantial enough.
Well I have the Tamron version, weighs about half what the ZA does. The 24-105 is absolutely tiny and a great little walk around lens at around 370g.
I’ll have to check that out, thanks for the recommendation.
This topic has been beat to death. If you’re happy with the state of the a-mount keep buying. I and several others decided to walk after the Photokina bust. Maybe it’ll all work out. Maybe the great big January announcement will be all about the wonderful things Sony plans to do with a-mount. But getting 3-5 lenses per year certainly isn’t a problem an a-mount fan will ever have to worry about. ;^)
Couldn’t agree more – I hope Sony doesn’t abandon the a-mount, but I don’t think the vague assurances are with anything without some sign of a commitment. I struggle to believe that they can release an FE road map but can’t do the same thing for a-mount. I know Andrea gets a lot of grief for “year of the a-mount” but it’s obvious that it was being talked up at some point before they had a change if heart.
The topic has been beat to death and yet know nothing posters like yourself keep pounding the drum. Sorry to break this to you but the A-mount isn’t going anywhere. So keep trolling all you wan’t because no one believes your BS.
You wouldn’t happen to be one of the many name-of-the-day sock puppets who used to beat me up for defending the a-mount who kept jumping up and down shouting it’s dead? It’s hilarious you e-mount fanboys with big stiffys over it dying now are having second thoughts now that it appears to be a dead man walking.
EarlFukass, you’re a legend in you own mind, no one believes any of your trolling rhetoric, but this relentless stream of BS seems to sustain you. What a pathetic little man you are.
No one takes a coward hiding behind an bogus alias too seriously. Now man up punk.
How about a new consumer a-mount body? 🙂 A60 or something
“There’re also fans of Transculent Mirror Technology, so We will continue to cherish A-Mount”.
Again, he stops short of saying “We will make new lenses”.
It sounds like these continuous reassurances from Sony are being deliberately vague, to prevent people from switching to Nikon until they mature their mirrorless tech, but at the same time not making any real promises.
They tell you in more then one interview that they continue with the A-mount. They came with a new A77m2 this year. What must they do more then that? Telling you exactly what they will come with? Forget it that is not going to happen, not at Sony not at Canon not at Nikon not at any brand.
Accept the A-mount is NOT dead.
That’s more reassuring than their last interview – development implies actively doing something…
Too late. I´m on Olympus and Fuji.
Pfff, you found a replacement …
So? I’m on Sony but I don’t feel the need to shout about it in Olympus and Fuji forums, doing so is just weird!
It’s easier than you think: I have had NEX-5N double zoom. Very good sensor, not lens. Purchase LA-EA2 with A-mount lenses was not the solution: without stabilization, without viewfinder, without classic hot-shoe. SLT-A57/65 have Minolta hot-shoe, A58 has smaller EVF and terrible display.
NEX-6 is not the solution too: without stabilization, OSS lenses are expensive. I sold Sony and bought Olympus E-M5 and Fuji compact.
That´s all. I´m not troll. I´m dissatisfied with Sony photo products. I write as a former Sony user, notwithstanding the freedom of expression. And I write decently, without curses and insults.
Bigger EVF, better display and classic hot-shoe and I stayed Sony user…
Really??? Oh wow. I’m stunned with this.
Here is the thing as how I see the situation 🙂
1. Of course they keep going on with a-mount support: but! it can be only translucent mirror (SLT) solution and no on chip phase detect solution (as we can see in a6000, A7, etc.). They can not really do anything else. If they introduce the new sensor in a-mount (as they have for A7 or “old” NEX generation), they immediately create competition inhouse, they just kill the new FE. Nobody would by FE lenses (or just very few ppl) as there are good a-mound lenses out there for full frame and also for APS-C.
2. adapter is not a solution (see the reason at point 1), as the adapter has also translucent mirror and own focus system. So yes, you can use your a-mount lenses on the new e-mount bodies, but! –> you loose everything why you would change 🙂 –> you loose light, and you can not use the onchip face detection. For example: you change from SLTa55 to A6000, I will loose light, and I can use only 15 focus point (so everything remain the same :)). This means, its a better option to change to A77 II (which unfortunately is a bigger body), as you wont have more light, but at least you can get better focus system and more settings possibility.
3. there wont be any “nice” product in the lower price range like A55, 58 etc… There was no innovation in this area (as they can not really do anyting here). Its look like Sony has a strategy to make really low price a5x models, which can not competitive to A77… If an a5x or even a6x would have good EVF, fast focus, with 24Mp sensor, and not the usual 1 focus points, probably A77 xx wont be so attractive… So I see now future in this level.
4. using translucent mirror was a good thing until the invent of the on chip face detect sensors. Right now I dont see its future… Sony supplies these sensors to competitors also (like Nikon), so they always be better high iso noise quality as they do not loose continuously light…
wow… I wrote a lots of stupid things, I have to stop right now :DDD
the next Sony camera will be a mirrorless A – E camera , in response to the new Samsung NX1
I think there wont be mirrorless a-mount. But I hope Iam wrong (see my answer for this question if you interested in) above the hidden and waiting for moderation comment..
seems my whole explanation has been deleted by sonyalpharumors… hmmm, nice mentality! :)))
The software blocks comments for the most silly of reasons.
there was nothing personal or rude thing in it… how can a software just sort out ? ….
That’s the point I made, it blocks comment for silly reasons.
I understood what you wrote, just dont understand why its so stupid 😉
What sense does an A-mount mirrorless camera make? Putting just air in front of the sensor?
Looking forward to put hands on a99S, high ISO FF camera
+ 1 Sounds awesome
yeah. my “dream camera” would be pro-journalist oriented body with 12-16MP sensor similar to A7s in ISO performance with 2/3 frame coverage of AF sensors (all cross-type) and wide coverage of AF-D assist points. plus more “pro” features, like hardware buttons for quick protecting/rating of photos and ability to record voice comments. I could sell my kidney to buy this one 😉
my man!
After all the fiddling with mirrorless, that’s exactly the expectation from Sony right now to get it back in the game!
I’m with you on the features, but would consider a pixel hog sensor in the 40MP range since I shoot mostly in daytime. But a low light beast would also be awesome.
How about both?: A >40MP camera that does sensor level pixel binning for stills as well as video. That would give you a D800 that turns into a A7s at the flick of a switch. Every base covered: high MP in studio settings, high ISO low MP in poor light, and high quality video throughout. This would be revolutionary, and I bet only Sony are in a position to do it.
this doesn’t work that way 😉 sensel wells obscure some light from reaching the sensor, so binning them will not translate to linear increase in ISO sensivity. although this would be awesome for sure 🙂
Yeah, it would have to be backlit. I didn’t mention that because I was already asking for a lot 🙂
Why not get the A7s then :)? Seriously, from a business standpoint: I doubt many people would buy a SLT 12MP high-ISO beast.
One reason is my lens collection, all a-mount Zeiss ones plus 300mm f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8. They dont work natively with a7. Secondly, PDAF still beats in low light CDAF.
The reason from a business standpoint I meant. SOny needs to sell enough of these :).
I believe, that making two sister models of a99II. One with high ISO, other with high MP is not so expensive solution. They basically share everything exept sensor and firmware. But it covers more users from reportage, sport to portrait and landscape ends of the scale.
The same for me. And, bigger body, with deeper grip leaves more room for the ergonomics: more buttons/controllers under your fingers, no need to go into “quick navi” menu etc.
This beast would really sell A-Mount, along with a high-res A99IIR.
A7S is for video/stills, not action photography.
I just seen a comment from Admin that their will be no such beast .As the A99II will have 45+mp but also resolves Hi ISO ; D
I am happy that Sony starts the pro-service soon. This means they will concentrate more on pro-cameras! I’m waiting for A99II or maybe they call it A9 and it is mirrorless?
I wonder if I can wait until January or if I go and get me a A7R…
A mirrorless native A-mount is pointless and it’s AF performance would be a disaster.
Depends, they’re making big progress with on-sensor PDAF, see A6000 which, even if it’s not still there, got to a great point. What I really would like to see is an SLT with a mirror up option, I just don’t know if it’s possible/advisable because the mechanics of the moving mirror could be somehow create some issue with the translucent one.
You will not get fast AF with A-mount lenses on a mirrorless body, the lenses are not designed for it. The OSPDAF on the A6000 requires supported E-mount lenses. It’s why SLT exists, the mirror is needed for A-mount lenses, the mirror isn’t there to just fill an empty space. 😉
There isn’t enough room to flip up the mirror either.
Why would the A-mount lenses not be designed for something like this? The A99 uses OSPDAF and, even if they can only be used with a limited set of lenses, there they are (hoping that with the next generation this limit can be overcome or, at least, many more lenses will allow their use).
As for the space, yeah I noticed that but it seems strange, given that there’s a mirror roughly the same size in any reflex. The SLT ones are surely oriented differently, I wonder if something can be done in order to allow them to flip up anyway.
The A99 uses the dedicated PDAF module not the OS focus points to quickly obtain focus, the extra points on the sensor are there as helpers to keep focus not obtain focus.
The PDAF module has been taken from the A77 and did not provide enough coverage on full frame, so this is Sony’s workaround for a few lenses. It may be that the feature is dropped from the A99II as the A77II PDAF module offers more coverage on full frame.
Don’t be confused between the A99 hybrid AF on A-mount and the OSPDAF on the A6000 with its supported E-mount lenses. The lens data on E-mount lenses is held in the lens firmware, it’s why even on the A6000 you need supported lenses.
This is why it will not happen on A-mount, there is no room to hold the data as A-mount was designed for a dedicated PDAF module. The A99 camera firmware is updated to contain the very few lenses that are supported. It’s why there are so few and it will never be expanded for many A-mount lenses. Ain’t gonna happen, A-mount needs a mirror for fast AF, end of story.
I think that the A99 hybrid AF is a dead-end once Sony put a PDAF module in the A99II that covers more of the frame.
I thought in the last firmware update all lenses where able to use the center PDAF points for E mount, even the sigma lenses. It’s just the PDAF focus points on the edges that are restricted to the lenses with the chips.
I’m not interested in AF for 95% of my photos. 😉 We will see. The A7R would be perfekt for me, but I like to have more in my hands and I want native A-Mount.
If one-third stop of light is THAT critical take the mirror out of the A99.
Once the SLT is not necessary any more because the OSPDAF is fast enough, I think they will/should focus on camera bodies with IBIS and short flange distance and e-mount, and develop a mirrorless adapter that forwards the fast AF superfast to a-mount lenses. Even today, SLT cameras are nothing else than a NEX with IBIS and integrated LA-EA2. Design this a little nicer and there you have your universal Alpha camera.
Some tips for ya, Sony dudes:
1. make an E-mount body slightly smaller than the a99, merging proper button layout with a7 styling
2. put a full frame sensor inside along with magnetic stabilization (a’la Olympus), make it work with manual lenses too, ditch digital IS and crop in movie mode
3. make a new LA-EA with AF points covering at least 70% of the frame, on-sensor PDAF should cover min. 90%.
4. bigger OVF with more pixels would be nice
5. stay with 24MP, but increase FPS to 10-12 (and buffer size too)
6. 4K
Voila! The a9 was born. Perfect transition between A and E-mount, something that could finally attract pros to the alpha system and show that Sony can make something serious. Hi-res version (a9r) with 50 MP, no AA filter and less FPS would be a nice addition. Damn, they should pay me for this post.
3. – probably not possible due to limited space inside an adapter.
But 4 will be really easy. Put a a piece of cardboard into the flash shoe and call it an OVF.
That should beat the nonoexistent OVF of today.
Your dream, not mine. ;^)
An OVF with more pixels? How’s that work?
Get over yourself.
Yes, pixels. Guess what, current 2,4M dot EVF has 0,786Mpx. Do you know how displays work? Sheesh.
OVF = optical viewfinder, and they don’t have pixels… You must be thinking EVF 😉
Do you know what an OVF is? Sheesh.
2. is probably impossible I would guess. There is no space left between mount and sensor that the sensor can “swing”. Olympus has a lot more space there you know… If mixing three features together would be so easy, they would just do it (and no, they won’t pay you for the idea, since it is obvious 😉 )
2 crop in movie mode is there for a reason as well ;)… e.g. 24MP of the A77: 6000 / 1920 and 4000 / 1080 does not get integer numbers. So you would have strange aliasing effects.
4 OVF with pixels ;)?
If anybody can translate Japanese, please try to decipher what was really said here. The Google translation makes no sense. It’s like trying to tell the future by tossing a handful of bones on the table. Andrea, as you can tell, A-mount users are going nuts these days, and unintelligible puzzles like this serve to tease and vex us even more!
+1 very hard to make any sense at all from the gibberish translation
Or maybe Mr. Ishizuka was actually talking gibberish?
Thanks for the roadmap Shigeki Ishizuka… but wait…
Both Canon and Nikon will probably be making ff mirrorless systems soon.
Unlike Sony they will probably be FULLY compatable with thier own existing lenses.
That will give them a huge advantage over E mount.
A mount may very well be Sony’s best chance for survival.
why nobody wants to see: there wont be a-mount mirrorles. There is no point (unfortunately) for Sony to do that. It will kill immediately sony FE-mount (future plans for Sony). Who is going to by FE lens, if they can use the good FF a-mount lenses ? Why sony created the new Fe if they could go with a-mount ?
Look the adapter also: if you want autofocus, you have to use the translucent mirror version of it -> less light, and you cant use the body original focus system… (example there is no point to change an SLTa55 to A6000 with adapter and keep a-mount lenses –> you will end up with the same results as your original camera (ok, you have now 24Mpixel, no makes sense…).
Loads of people – the a7 design offers huge size and weight advantages in situations where you don’t want to lug several kilos of gear around with you.
I missunderstood me 🙂 I would like also to have a-mount mirrorless for my a-mount lenses, just IMO Sony dont want to do that for a-mount. A7 has e-mount… whos gonna by a7 a7r and FE lenses if they create an amount mirrorless body? probabaly with a same small size ?
No, I think you missunderstand other people and Sony!
Why would you want to keep, say A99 bulk, but drop the fast SLT phase detection focus?
Because thus is what it means to keep a particular mount – to keep the flange distance, hence have an empty mirror box infront of the sensor.
A-mount is not possible with a small size. The distance between sensor and A-mount is 44,5 mm, E-mount only 18mm. So it would be at least much thicker.
The a55 managed it – no reason why they couldn’t have used it as the template for a smaller a-mount line.
Yet Sony made the a3x series of DSLRs which while obviously not as thin as mirrorless (who cares?) weren’t big and bulky by any standard. I looked at them but went with a larger a65 because at some point you reach a point of diminishing returns with shrinking bodies and compromise ergonomics too much.
I see your point – it does look like Sony is trying to avoid competing with FE. No entry level or high res ff a-mount etc
yep. but of course, this is the thing as I see… who knows what is the truth 🙂
cybm, I think you missunderstand other people and Sony!
Why would you want to keep, say A99 bulky body, but drop the fast SLT phase detection focus?
There is no point in making SLT-sized mirrorless if it can be done more compact and lighter.
For the rest there are official adapters
I see that for you the bigger size is OK (and thats why you suppose that everyone else is thinking in the same way), but the MILC system and a lots of sold mirrorles show there is a huge need for these king of things. (personally I prefer also the small and light weight body with lenses as Iam travelling a lot…)
No I was saying exactly the opposite, I prefere compact bodies!
But I think you are expecting from Sony sometihng impossible. You want them to make a camera small as the A7 series, but with the actual A mount locking mechanism instead of the E mount! This is not possible as the most important charcteristic of a mount is its flange distance (the distance to the sensor) which is fixed. They can not take A mount and put it closer to the sensor, all A mount lenses are designed to work at specific distance from the sensor which is much larger than E mount.
This has been beat to death. I get e-mount fanboys love their choice of gear. Is it so hard to see many prefer DSLRs?
No, is it hard to see that some e-mount users prefer more compact solutions, without resorting to your odious fanboy insult every other post?
Why would it kill Sony FE-mount? E-mount cameras are still much smaller you know.
because the body could be smaller (probabaly cheeper, as you dont need the mirror and its focus system) also for a-mount. So if you can get a mirrorless body with a-mount, where you already have great lenses, the body would be lighter, smaller (vs. current A7 II, etc), who is going to buy A7 A7R and FE-lenses. I know from your post the distence is different for e-mount vs. amount, but its about the tube with 2cm… it seems it could be solved the issue…
There are a lot of things the E-mount can do that the A-mount can’t do:
1. Use legacy lenses (the flange distance of the A-mount is to large)
2. Get small cameras (again the flange distance A-mount cameras with or without mirror will be fat, look at the Pentax k-01)
The only technical advantages for the A-mount are: the great lens choice and the fast AF system. For the existing a-mount users it is of course important to have new compatible cameras too)
The E-mount will get better and faster AF (look at the A6000, it is a start) and the lenschoice of E-mount will get better and better too. So in the end the only reason to keep the A-mount alife is the userbase.
Peraonaly I think it will take an other 5 years befor mirrorless technology is totaly on the same track as DSLR technology, but then we will see the end of all DSLRs as mainstream cameras comming realy fast.
E mpund is dead…Canon and Nikon will destroy E mountwhen they enter the competition with full compatable compact mirrorless ff systems..while Sony still strugles with its semi compatable system.
For Canikon if you want a lens you just pick one out and buy it.
For Sony everything is a syrugle to figure out how to make it work together…3rd parties make Sony mount last..if at all..and E mount /A mount reguire mirrored adapter just to be semi compatable.
Canikon lenses are also only Semi compayable.
No one would choose E mount if there were a comarable Canon and Nikon system available that was fully comaptable…and they know it..so yhere will be.
Sony strategy has been to try to lock people into native E mount lenses before the competition catches up because being lenslocked is the only reason for people to continue to biy the semi compatable E mount system.
you do realize that both had already enter the mirroless game and failed. The experiment speech regarding Eos M and Nikon 1 is nuts, none of those company will spent millions just for give it a try.
Even Nikon had heavily advertise the 1 (bilboard, TV, press) but it never took off and they both are facing the same problem as Sony for retro compatibilty with their lenses.
Nonetheless I’m pretty sure that if they retry they will create a new mount again an no one will complaint about it while for everyone Sony seem to release a new mount every month.
Sony have A-mount and E-mount…if you’re counting FE lenses as another mount, then you must count DT lenses as yet another mount…but you don’t right?
I wasn’t ranting against Sony number of mount , to me 2 is quite a reasonable number and sorry if my statement wasn’t clear enough.
But there is a lot of people here who seem to believe that Sony deliver a new mount every 6 months and don’t understand that FE lenses aren’t a new mount but just the FF coverage of E-mount lenses just like any other brands that have APS-C and FF bodies with the same mount.
Yeah EOS-M and Nikon 1 sell like hotcakes… genius. Nikon is sinking with N1 and Canon withdrew EOS-M from.the north American market with their tail between their legs. These are both ‘fully compatible’ mirrorless systems and they are a joke. Sony are the Only brand doing legacy compatibility right because they have SLT tech. your insights are just becoming more and more pathetic an ill informed.
And you aren’t lens locked you flapping moron.
Another day, another fantasy.
Your posts get more and more incomprehensible. It’s like slowly watching one man’s descent into madness. Like the ending of “Flowers for Algernon” or something.
Dream on, they have the exact same issues to overcome as Sony to make their existing lenses compatible. Sony has the benefit of SLT technology, to give them a headstart with full PDAF (through adapter) support for practically all lenses.
The A79 PDAF (A77II) is a massive step forward and easily demonstrates the advantage SLT has over both mirror-less, and SLR. It’s only going to improve.
Plus the newer mirrors use only 1/2 the light of the original if the rumours are correct.
Not to mention evf being a done deal for Sony users.
Do their current mirrorless systems natively accept EF or F mount lenses?
Another ‘wonderful’ insight from Barry does Animals. First of all, Nikon have said that they are sticking to N1 system. Secondly, the thing you keep crying and moaning about isn’t coming to Canon mirrorless either, so their unstablized lenses are going to be, guess what? Unstablized. Twit.
If …as I suspect…the next generation sensor is mirrorlless then everyone will be going mirrorless.
Sony deliberately choose to desighn a system tjat is not full compatable in order to switch people int thier new lenses.
I find it difficult to believe Canon or Nikon would ever have been that foolish.
Now Sony will have one more misfit puzzle piece to try to fit together with its other misfit puzzle pieces.
Sony makes great puzzle pieces but nothing fits together..so the dont get the picture.
How can a sensor be mirrorless genius? Please, don’t answer.
So your suggestion is that Canon and Nikon are going to completely abandon their fledgling systems and replace it with a “mirrorless sensor” and everyone is going to be overjoyed.
You are a sad little man no doubt about it.
barry, sensors don’t have mirrors in them anyway, its the mirror box, pentaprism and PDAF sensor that make a mamera SLR/SLT and the lack of them mirrorless!!!
All sensors are mirrorless, but they can be put in cameras with mirrors…
Sony did indeed deliberatly choose to make the E-mount not 100% compatible with A-mount, as they wanted to make their cameras smaller! When you keep the flange distance of a mirrored system then your cameras have to be thick (look at the Pentax K-01). So Sony made the adapter to fit the old lenses on their cameras and they made the adapter that clever that it focussed fast too!
So when Canon or Nikon are realy taking mirrorless serious they have to use an other mount, just like all the other brands.
And about foolish, look at Canon and Nikon now. Their mirrorless cameras both have made the same choice as Sony did, a mount that is not 100% comaptible with their old mount and you know what? Sony is selling boatloads of mirrorless cameras and Canon is practicly giving them away. Who is foolish now?
Please do google “Canon STM”
Canon’s new sensors are already not fully compatible with EF lenses
Canon’s current dual’ pixel AF is both a) not compatible with all lenses, b) a poor substitute for SLT and on top of that doesn’t work well with non STM (that is the very latest consumer lenses) lenses. Go Barry go, goooooo Barry!
Another wonderful insight by abortabort, my favorite SAR troll. If you knew anything on the topic you’d realize Nikon has already said they’re looking at a larger mirrorless format than 1″ but it has to meet their performance standards.
Ah my favourite Nikon fanboy. Got any links there Earl or just hot air?
Certainly.
http://nikonrumors.com/2014/09/19/nikon-1-nikkor-70-300mm-f4-5-5-6-vr-lens-delayed-a-new-professional-mirrorless-camera-might-happen-one-day.aspx/
“A new professional mirrorless camera “might happen one day” Well that’s reassuring, sounds like hot air to me. But good enough for EarlFukass.
Context means nothing to a moron like you, eh? Abortabort doubted there was any evidence Nikon was considering mirrorless outside of the Nikon 1 system. I provided it. Nikon’s official statement is no more or less reassuring that the Sony one they’re working on a-mount stuff, IMHO.
Nikon says they aren’t but might ‘one day’ and Sony says they are working on A-Mount and you think its the same thing. You always consider every titbits of rumours from Canon and Nikon as gospel and everything from Sony as nonsense. Grow up Nikon troll.
What I’m saying is both Nikon and Sony are working on stuff. Nothing specific. No road map. Big deal. I can’t shoot working on it vaporware.
You can’t shoot anyway.
“Nikon still doesn’t care about large sensor mirrorless cameras. Says they will not make it.” A declarative statement if I ever heard one, take not EarlFukass.
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/nikon-still-doens-t-care-about-large-sensor-mirrorless-cameras-says-they-will-not-make-it
The single vague reference in that intervue is contradicted by multiple newer rumors.
Both Canon and Nikon are supposidly working on ff mirrorless.
Bear in mind of coarse that niether will be open with thier plans… but whatever Sony is doing they will do too…better if they can.
The advantage of mirrorless is the short flange distance which allows for smaller, less complicated lenses. You can’t match the flange distance of a DSLR lens onto a mirrorless body without either extending it via adapter or designing a body with the same flange distance, which would eliminate the size advantage of mirrorless. So no, unless they change the laws of physics, this won’t happen.
Yuuup. Everyone wants a mirrorless system with a 44mm flange distance. That makes COMPLETE SENSE, right? Giant mirrorless camera systems. An executive from Pentax calls me every day, crying about making that mistake.
I was abducted by aliens last night and they told me they could solve the compatibility issues with the Sony cameras I talked so much about. I said no, if you did that the Sony Alpha Rumours website wouldn’t be half as entertaining as it is now!
Nah, that was just barry high on rhino horn
The issue is making FF mirrorless with advantages over their (and any other ) DSLR.
The fact is a DSLR is a compromise and the lenses are designed according to that compromise. Sony have understood this (as surely Nikon and Canon do too) which is why the A7 series is so different.
For Nikon and Canon to make their existing lenses compatible would mean to include compromises that would render the exercise almost pointless.
To be honest, I don’t see it happening.
It’s possible they will introduce a new alternative, but your assessment is wrong.
And we certainly know Sony didn’t put any compromises in the a7. ;^)
EVERY camera has compromises. Some forced by technology, some by economics, and some by physics.
Ultimately, though, does a camera do the job intended at a price point you can afford? For many people the A7 series does exactly that, irrespective of any choices made by Sony.
I don’t disagree with this. Your earlier comment I was responding to needs some work, IMHO.
There are about a dozen replys here basically saying the same things
It cant happen
It wont happen
Too dificult
Barry is crazy.
Check the recent posts on Nikon and Canon rumor sites..
Nikon is sopposedly working on a professional grade ff mirrorless system of superb quality.
Canon is sopposedly working on a new mirrorless ff mount.
Once again some people holler it cant be done while others are too busy doing it.
It can be done, but it’s pointless.
A mirrorless camera that takes DSLR lenses won’t be much more compact than a DSLR.
Its about funtionality..
DSLRs are already compact enough.
Or they can be shrunk down a bit while retaining better ergonomics than compacts. It’s kind of funny, Granger reviewed the new Nikon D750 which has shrunk a bit and complained the button layout was getting compromised by the smaller body. Sony put out the a3x APS-Cs which were fairly small but I passed on them for a larger a65 because I found it better to handle.
I get e-mount fanboys love their compacts. What’s tiresome is they can’t seem to grasp many prefer DSLRs. Then there’s the greater argument that if Sony does put out a mirrorless with a true DSLR like body it has to function as well too while letting a-mount fans use their glass to its full extent.
Oh that’s right, your ‘expert experience’ with A-Mount is the wouncey A65 consumer cam a you call A7 ergonomics poor… you are easily the biggest clown n the internet right now.
So why would they go mirrorrless than? The whole point of mirorrless is compactness
If you believe that Sony will only ever release compact e-mount bodies, then I guess so, but if you don’t, then the point of mirrorless is flexibility, not compactness. I feel a bit like Barry having to repeat that one.
Your ‘flexibility’ is ‘ability to go compact when needed’ and ‘ability to adapt any lenses’. With mirorrless A-Mount, you won’t be able to do either.
And that’s precisely why A-mount’s future is under threat.
No, this is why they won’t do A-Mount mirrorless
A lot of people have no use for a small camera and no particular desire to use incompatible lenses with adapters
So mirrorless holds no appeal to them
Sony would opt to make mirror less a-mount cameras if sensor focusing equals / exceeds SLT focusing and ditching the SLT mirror would result in less manufacturing costs / higher profits.
Nope, if mirrorless AF ever catches up to DSLR, all SLR mounts will be gone
There won’t be a mirrorless A-Mount either way
Nope, It all depends on what the market will bear. There are 30 years of legacy a mount users. If a mirrorless body is profitable, Sony is in a position to accommodate and are more than willing to experiment (as evidenced by their slew of releases).
Eventually mirrorless will be faster, of that there is no doubt.
I don’t see Sony supporting 2 identical lines with different mounts and 2 sensor sizes each, only to accomodate legacy users.
And there is doubt in my mind that mirrorless would ever catch up, let alone get faster, than DSLR. OSPDAF is made up of tiny sensors, which cannot be made much bigger because they are on the image sensor.
Sony is currently supporting two lines and physically they wouldn’t be identical. Removal of the SLT mirror, I predict, will eventually happen as a cost-savings /profit-boosting measure making the two lines cheaper to maintain than they currently are. The SLT mirror is probably not a cheap part. Such an a-mount body would retain its size, IBIS and screw drive AF mechanism.
Sony has yet to develop a full frame SLT module. The a99-2 could go mirrorless if it is cheaper for Sony to implement versus building a full frame AF system. I’d prefer that to an a99-2 with aps-c AF coverage and I doubt it would be inferior to the current a99 AF.
Again, if focusing speed equals SLT, A-Mount is dead. They won’t support 2 mirrorless mounts and 4 lens line-ups.
No they’re not. A larger flange distance, which would exist purely because of the existence of the mirror in legacy cameras, means it can’t be as compact as genuine mirrorless cameras. The body would automatically be an inch thicker than e-mount, and therefore a compromise.
A shorter flange distance enables greater flexibility in terms of body size.
**edit** LOL, the word ‘flange’ is banned on SAR.
No they’re not. A larger registration distance, which would exist purely because of the existence of the mirror in legacy cameras, means it can’t be as compact as genuine mirrorless cameras. The body would automatically be an inch thicker than e-mount, and therefore a compromise.
A shorter registration distance enables greater flexibility in terms of body size.
Wow I guess Sony better up their game and bring out a superb FF mirrorless system or get eaten by the also rans … oh wait
You can’t claim they will make new cameras fully compatible with existing lenses and then that they are working on a new mount!
Duh!
Like any manufacturer, Canon and Nikon will be developing new products and, given their histories, they will probably be excellent. I’m not sure what this has to do with the support for the A mount though!
Making them fully compatable is easy.
Lenses…A mount, E mount, Canon, Nikon…all have electronic focusing motors controled and powered by the electonics in the camera.
The two issues are that they all require different mount adaptors and they all speak differrent electronic languages.
Simply build an electronic translater into the adapter so they can understand each other.Anything the camera needs that the lens does not have you put in the adapter.
First, it isn’t ‘easy’. It is technologically challenging and expensive, both before and after the fact.
Furthermore, the point you made initially suggested that Canon and Nikon would make fully compatible cameras which would put them at an advantage over Sony. Then you say they should do exactly as Sony have done with the A mount, by providing an adapter (in Sony’s case the LA-EA4)???!!!???
So, what exactly have Sony done wrong again?
Forget it. The more Barry posts, the more he proves he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.
What’s the point of a full frame mirrorless system for EXISTING CaNikon lenses that would leave empty space in the body where the mirror would have been (you have to maintain the flange distance). You aren’t going to gain any size advantage so you might as well keep the mirror and OVF and not bother going mirrorless at all.
CaNikon aren’t Sony, they don’t need to be different and introduce technology in their line that would potentially harm dSLR sales.
you. working. hahaha.
thank you.
awesome.
I am an a-mount fan and have 8 a-mount lenses along with my A77. I firmly believe that a-mount is not dead. There was a market for mirror less and it was a market that Nikon & Canon failed to get involved in. Sony quite rightly as a business put their resources into that sector and now own it. CaNikon realise now that they made a huge blunder and want a share of that too. However they will be too late as Sony already has the leading name there. Now that sony are where they want to be I believe that they will now put there focus back onto the a-mount. So while Canikon take the eye off the ball to research the mirror less market Sony will kick there ass with their new developments in the DSLR market at the start of next year.
Rumors? Frankly, I doubt about it: your webpage has been anything but rumors source for about a year already.
Obviously Canon and Nikon are dominating DSLR market, it’s hard to pull old Canon and Nikon users to switch to Sony because they already have good amount of lenses and they are satisfied with what they have.
Sony is targeting ametures who are searching for their first DSLR.
On the other hand , Sony is hitting hard in mirrorless category because it’s a new category, also it’s what people are asking for, all of us want a leica before, now we have a better leica , a Sony A7R and it’s so much cheaper than a leica.
IMO it’s logical to see Sony taking slow steps toward in A-mount while taking high jumps in mirrorless and RX series.
It doesn’t matter what Sony is trying to compete in, mirrorless or SLT, they need to put out a full system. Until then, Canikon will keep dominating the market.
Sony dominate mirrorless, canon aren’t even a blip… get it yet?
So you’re telling me Sony doesn’t have to have a complete system supporting mirrorless? So, say, sports and wildlife photographers can just take a hike? Really?
And that makes sense on Hicksville?
Lets see here, my original A77 shoots 12 frames per second
released in 2011. Not sure if that would be useful for sports on not are we?
Oh yeah, Sony has a set of telephoto lenses to match Canikon. I just bought a 300mm f/4. Oh wait, that’s a Nikon. But there’s a great 400mm f/5.6 for us amateurs. Oh wait that’s a Canon. I guess I can sell my truck and buy a 500mm f/4 like the guy above. ;^)
If Canon made a competing mirrorless camera and it was compatible with Canon lenses they would instantly dominate.
Get it yet?
They already tried and failed… understand professor Barry does Animals? EOS-M is compatible with EF and EF-S lenses and it got laughed out of the market, quite literally.
Are you suggesting Canon dump EF-M and start from scratch?
Canon is already working on a new ff mirrorless mount.
Because they didn’t forward plan… yeah sounds great!
Source? How exactly do you know that?
I thought you said DSLRs are already compact enough. If so, why would Canon need to design a new mount? Surely, for reasons of preserving your sacred mantra of 100% compatibility with old lenses, Canon would be better sticking with EF mount.
I think you’re full of s**t, Barry, as always. Everything is contradictions, half-truths and fantasies with you, and you have never given any reason for anybody here to believe otherwise.
Canon rumrs
Canon watch
Nikon watch for the Nikon ff mirorles.
Links are there to numerous other sites and multiple similar interviews.
Hey Nikon troll, the Sony A mount IS a full system! In spite of Sony confirming again that they are moving forward their A-Mount, which has kicked Canikon’s butt in the innovation and evolution of the DSLR in the last 4 years, you, who does not even use Sony, are on here trying to be negative. Get a life already!
A-mount is a complete system IMO , the only photographer who will face some problems with lens selections is the wild life, sport , specially bird photographers (like me).
500mm f/4 and 300mm 2.8 G are not selling well because of the high price.
70-400mm G is the only lens that Sony is selling very well due to it’s performance/price.
There is a rumor about 400mm f/4 (sadly not 2.8) because Sony knows that 2.8 is going to be more expensive and will stay on shelves with it’s other 2 sisters 500 and 300.
Other than that , all focal lengths are very well covered , how many lenses would you buy if you are a portrait , street , macro or architecture photographer ?
They are all covered very well.
Nikon .. And specially Nikon knows there are in the danger zone, D810 D750 D610 D4s .. 4 full frame camera bodies just to keep their customers satisfied and not make the switch.
Admin
Apologies for changing the subject.
Have you heard any rumors about video upgrades for the A6000,similar to what happened to RX10
Clearly, you’re the only person interested in such a thing.
I confirm again A-mount is dead.
Admin will you please remove the moderation software, it really is a PITA seeing your post go to moderation and then disappear for no apparent reason.
Same happened to me, I agree!
Agree.
My post went to moderation because I wrote ‘flange’… on a camera forum.
*Edit* damn, did it again!!
Same here!
Admin would you please remove idiot members from the forum, it really is a PITA seeing their dumb-a.. posts not go to moderation and then appear for no good reason.
I’m starting to think that what all those Sony officials speaking broken English have been trying to say when asked about A-mount was: We are still working on a mount. Probably the E-mount.
And that’s why only A-Mounts are only vis able in the backgrounds. Face it the e-mount is nothing more than an armatures camera. Which is why you love it so much.
Sony’s largest source of camera revenue is still its best (that’s that a-mount stupid)
Sony confirms A mount keeps going on….as in, “dang, it’s still selling, when will it ever stop so we can just go FE”
Yes but have you noticed the Sony reps’ noses keep getting longer every time they mention A-mount?
LOL!
That nose is huge! You’d think it was an E mount lens.
All I can say to Sony’s insistence that the ‘A’ mount will continue to survive is …….
PROVE IT!
Give us some form of roadmap for cameras and lenses, it doesn’t have to be very detailed if you don’t want to give secrets away, but for goodness sake, Tell Us Something quickly. (and no bullsh*t please)
My guess is that the 2015 roadmap would contain maybe one body and a lens refresh or two, hardly worth publishing.
Indeed, who needs a roadmap when there is only one road?
Show me Canon, of Nikon’s moron. Exactly. Now STFU.
If SONY has to “confirm” that their A-ss mount is not dead, then as we already know – IT IS Dead. They just want to stall long enough to flog the remainder of the A-mount parts!
“Asked about the future of Sony’s A-mount SLT cameras amid a growing CSC market, Nogami suggested that Sony has no plans to abandon these photographers, and is closely monitoring their feedback.
‘Of course there are many, many A-mount supporters from the Minolta age, so we will listen to their voices and we have to keep those customers on our side.”
Closely monitoring feedbuck huh. Reeeeaaally. Keep them on our side? As in, here- check out this fancy adapter.
This same guy also called for “market education” to show the CSC’s are just as good as DSLR’s. We still need education that SLT is just as good as well. He also made it clear that there focus right now- no doubt- is lenses lenses lenses.
There focus is on Germany and Europe mostly right now. That also appears to be the heartland of alpha users- not us apparently. Are you guys getting the picture? They want to convince the largest alpha audience that E mount mirror less is the future. Capture that then you end up with game over.
THE FLASH ADAPTER STINKS…
Bumps my nose in vertical shooting. Puts a crease right across the bone. I HATE IT! IT HURTS! Extra caps to keep track of. Just awful! Sony screwed my investment of eight f56am flash units and Phottix radio slaves all around… for a stupid microphone? Really?
Just bought two a99’s. Have a7R, a77, five a900’s, two a700’s, one a200. I’ve supported you from the beginning Sony. Please support me back. We are in partnership. Do your part partner! CaNikon users are pleased with their flash systems. Just like Minolta users were before Sony killed us all.
I don’t accept the new shoe is necessarily awful, but I agree fully that the implementation is dreadful. As you say, IT HURTS!!!
They could have used a dozen different ways of locking the flash to the shoe, but they settled on that dreadful ‘sticky-out’ lever. What were they thinking???
And an fyi: the LOCK on the 60m Flash has UN-Locked a number of times hanging from a BlackRapid Double Strap. and the MIS foot has broken off at the “Base” Surprisingly the base of the foot is quite strong and was not the break point. and IF it is Locked the Foot will NOT come out. But that Lock gets too easily Bumped and “just” a little Un-Locked , and that is enough for the large 60m Flash to Fall Off. The whole Foot can be replaced … but Sadly NOT by the user (fyi: Metz and LumoPro will send you a Foot base to replace yourself). … and note I have dropped my sb900’s (plural , four of them) many times , even on stands in the wind … and never has a foot or flash broke yet. (think how long the sb900 has been out) 🙂
I know only too well about the break point! It is internal which only
makes itself known by allowing the flash to rock a lot more easily and will no longer retain a good grip.
As to being replaced, it is easily
done. However, the trick is finding a supplier! Once you know the part
number (it is A1913790B) then it is relatively straightforward to get just by googling. The only tricky bit is the ribbon wire connecting, which need to be slotted in. Otherwise just four screws.
Curiously, the part has been changed because it used to be A1913790A, so I think they found it was too weak. I’ve had 3 failures and now have two more spare (for the two guns that have the earlier part!).
Three failures? Never in 20 years of using Minolta iISO have I experienced one foot breaking. The iISO actually uses three sleds, rather than two of regular ISO. This is how they make plastic strong. The CaNikon had to go with metal feet to make ISO stronger.
I’d never had a foot failure (used Minolta for donkey’s years) until the new MI, but now three! I have complained, made my points known, and raised the issue on Sony forums, but have been ignored.
As to metal feet, the engineering problem is getting the balance just right in terms of a failure point. I’ve seen some cameras with the top of the pentaprism ripped off because the flash was too strong and that’s not pretty (or cheap!).
However, I think Sony got it wrong and, when they realised, changed the design of the part (hence the new part number).
The lever is a function of the flash, not the shoe. My f20M and MIS XLR accessory use a locking wheel. The f60 flash is the bum, not the MIS.
That was the very point I was making!
First. World. Problems.
Just because YOU think Sony owes you something, doesn’t make it true.
Sony owes you NOTHING. And complaining about how stup1d you were when you bought more cameras than you would ever possibly need doesn’t help anything!
Your poor widdow nosey. Boo boo all better now?
YOU don’t like it? YOU feel all buthurt? SWITCH SYSTEMS!
F*ck1ng 1d1ot.
Wow Dinks, sounds like you work for Sony… with the same lack of concern for long time system supporters who express problems that are actually painful.
Good job bringing more attention to this post. Please reply so we can get this discussion noticed better. Thanks for your help man!
After Photokina I think a lot of Sony users felt like their asss had been shredded- no lube. I’ve gotten use to it though. After awhile you learn to carry your own Vaseline as an alpha user. But even then, I think a chastity belt might be better now. I don’t think I can take another numb bung hole in January.
Had Sony not purchased Minolta’s IP you would not have the MIS to complain about, it is true. You also wouldn’t have any new cameras since 2006 to mount your flashes on, adapted or not.
That said, Sony should release a better iISO to MIS adapter.
I am frustrated as the next person about the lack of a-mount news. A quick few questions:
1) Do Canon or Nikon release road maps for their cameras or lenses? Can we easily access it on the web?
2) Is the FF a-mount due for an update? Let me make it clear I would like to see the update big time, but is it time for an update?
3) How many more times do we need to hear from a Sony exec that they are “going to continue to support FF a-mount” before people take a step back and go “ok I will wait to January before making any decisions”? If there hadn’t been any a-mount releases this year then yes – Sony needs to give us something. However they released the a77mkII & from what I have been hearing it is quite a good camera.
It seems that Sony for the moment is not going to release any more info about where the a-mount FF is going, We are just going to get the same statement “we are going to continue to support it”.
We will have to wait to January 2015 (hopefully) for some news. I personally would like to hear something sooner but getting more & more p1ss*d-off on this forum or putting your existing a99 through a wood-chopper isn’t going to change anything (a part from getting me annoyed – he could of given it to me + lenses).
From my own experience Sony sales in the UK or elsewhere will not give you anymore info – they will point you to someone who will say “we are going to continue to support FF a-mount” & that’s it.
SAR_admin is trying hard to get (reliable) info but that is it. He can’t really do anymore.
Thank you. My thoughts exactly.
Patience is not a virtue most Sony fanboys (and before I get attacked, I am one too) lack. I will continue using my A77 and patiently waiting to see if sony gives me a reason to upgrade in the near future, otherwise I’ll just stock up on lenses and be happy with my camera.
1) They don’t need to do that – nobody is worried that EF-M is going to replace EF, or the Nikon is going to ditch DSLR in favor of their 1″ system
2) Sony only has one FF camera that’s slightly above entry-level. They haven’t offered anything comparable to 5D3 or D800 so far. They don’t necessarily need to update the A99, but they do need to release a higher-end camera to be the system flagship
3) “Support A-Mount” doesn’t mean s**t. They still support A850/A900, they just don’t make them anymore. A “We will make new lenses” from a Sony executive (not sales rep) would do, but they carefully avoiding any promises
But yeah, obviously all we’re left to do is wait till January.
Its pretty obvious that a completely new model is headed our way. If you tally up some of the rumours this camera has a built in grip, is probably 45 or 46mp, and possibly 4K ready. We won’t need a road map because it’ll be obvious by track marks they’re going to leave all of their competition.
Sounds like a very expensive camera, probably 6000….. My biggest wish is that Sony release multiple models in A mount, like what they did for E mount, that cater towards different needs, and hopefully cut down the camera price by doing that.
Why does Sony continue to enable MY COMPETITION with their best sensor in a pro camera for years now… yet I’m forced to adapt a toy camera and lose function and reliability to get close to the same?
There there. Mummy will make it all better my little soldier.
Thanks for drawing more attention to my post. Wonderful having you around to highlight the real issues Sony has created. Please continue and maybe we’ll get some momentum going here. Sony is an evil lover who gives all the best cookies to the other guys.
Because it’s SONY.
Why are you surprised? Are you not able to see a trend here?
Truth is, e-mount was probably an Engineers great idea, until Marketing got its greedy little hands in on the deal. Engineers said we must ensure size of e-mount allows for In Body Image Stabilization (Marketing said no… first we lure them in with ability to use any lens… but make sure they don’t get Stabilization and non-Sony lenses never work as good as Sony Lenses with stabalization built in, this way they will eventually realize they must buy Sony Lenses for best results). Engineers said: Yes, we would like e-mount to be fully compatible with A-mount using a FF Adapter from the start (Marketing said no! we sell more adapters if we start off with APS-C adapters, at same cost to develop as FF adapters, then have to buy new adapters when FF bodies come out). This mind set may cause Sony to fail on all fronts, it’s called Marketing short cuts to profits. I will never go to e-mount, just sticking with A-mount, even if Sony gives up on it, then CaNikon after the technology is too old.
Have you been hitting the weed? You seem quite paranoid.
Uhh well I do live in Colorado… hmm are you saying I cannot trust what the phychedelic lizards tell me? They seemed so friendly though.
I truly hope there is another A mount FF which is 24megapixel!!
Every times people ask Sony about A-mount, they switch the topic back E-mount immediately.
They just keep on saying FF E-mount camera sell better, so they put most of their resource to FE. For A-mount, what ever they do, they hardly expand their share.
If one day the On-sensor PDAF can focus is as good as normal PDAF, then why do we need the SLT mirror?
If we don’t need the mirror, why do we need the 41mm space between the sensor & lens?
I hope that there will be a new A-Mount body announce for january, else I will switch to A7s, and sell my A-mount lenses with regrets…
Sell them to me!
Do you expect more than 1 iphone per year? Sony just released A77 ii in Summer, to me that’s recent!
He is clearly talking about A99II and not A77III. You dont upgrade from iPhone 4s to iPhone 5c. Same here, nobody that owns A99 will ‘downgrade’ it to A77II
The a77-2 is a solid second body/additional body choice for a99 users. It brings to the table much faster AF and longer reach – very complementary.
You poor baby.
The WOW in A-Mount Full Frame will be “IF” Sony can make a MirrorLESS PRO Body that can AF-C at 12fps in APS-C Crop Mode (a7r Sensor) , and Full RAW at 6fps, Stainless Steel Mount that can ALSO AF E-Mount lens ! and by that ANY Lens MADE ! (like the E-Mount now). 300,000 Shutter Life. two 280 mp/s SD card support, the Largest EVF viewing size Ever Made (does not have to be by much , just a talking point) , two Processors for Operational SPEED Like we have never seen in MirrorLESS before. THAT, would WOW me. 🙂
Yes I tend to agree, I think we can all live without the compatibility with most other lenses the e-mount allows. After all we still can adapt the M42 and others or am I wrong, are their other lens mounts users really have a lot of old good lenses on or cant get a comparable Sony/Sigma for (Leica, Zeiss etc…?). Other than being small (well if you have a small lens on it) I really don’t see the e-mount advantage, if A-Mount goes mirror-less 🙂
Yes there are many great lenses that no other manufacturer can use. They’re called Minolta Maxxum, and they’re fully compatible with A-Mount. Try a compact 28/2 and 100/2 for a day and reward yourself with simple elegance and highest quality. Then splurge on a Mino 200/2.8 APO for ultimate IQ. Doesn’t really matter which order you get them. They’re all completely color corrected within the lineup, matched to one another with those luscious deep dark vintage greens that newer lenses try to brighten by yellowing.
You must not have understood the post, or I did’nt, I think Ross is saying keep the A-Mount and body just make it mirror-less. I am not sure if he understands that the A-Mount wont allow E-mount lenses though (due to the distance) as he seems to suggest this could be solved (I guess by a sliding rail or something?)
IF A-Mount is MirrorLESS it opens up “space” … and a Stainless Steel Adapter “could” actually extend “INTO” the Mount / BODY. Essentially a Completely Adaptable BODY. One of those Adapters could be for E-Mount. And If that could be done , it Opens the Possibility for ANY Lens to be Mounted on Separate Adapters. The KEY is a SOLID Connection and Durability. And Open Specs. SONY would have to be “BOLD” for this move. My guess with this idea Both A and E Mount could Focus “Just as FAST” and “Just as Well”. The Benefit for Sony shooters would be ALL Sony lens can be used. AND, Auto Focus as well (as if it was Native). Both A and E mount Adapters would probably not even have to stick out from the Body any more than any “other” A-Mount Body (a PLUS). The Benefit for any Canon or Nikon shooter is an “Easy” Smoother Transition. 🙂 … For A-Mount to succeed they need some of that Market Share. … Just saying.
Another Benefit for Sony shooters , like myself (there is self interest in this lol) … you “could” have E-mount FF Body for TRAVEL or for Remote Shooting as your B camera … and use those same Lens for your WORK PRO A-Mount Body. So you don’t have to double cover a Preferred Prime or Zoom Lens.
Ok, I do agree, one way or another they should be able to allow for closer focusing lenses when the mirror is out of the way. Lets just hope they already have something in the works!!! or I am afraid the future is not so bright for the Sony/Minolta division. Like it or not the majority of the base is A-Mount Shooters with Minolta/Sony lenses. Like I said, I would never go e-mount, wife already switched to Fuji Xt-1 after she tried nearly every Sony Emount APS-S made lol just could not match my A-77 even when using the same lens 🙁 or similar IS Sony lens! too bad.
I made a quick scan of 200+ comments, no one bother for asking the translation of original articles? every one can understand japanese?
I am pretty interested in rx100 section like this one
RX100の斜め上を目指す
――他社へのインタビューも振り返りますと、プレミアム系コンパクトへとアクセルを踏み始める
のが少なくとも1年は速かった印象です。しかし、他社もこの流れに対応してきていますね。今回のフォトキナではRX100シリーズを狙い撃ちにした製品が
いくつか出てきています。ソニーも予想はしていましたよね?
もちろん、これだけRX100が好調ならば他社が対応してくることは予想しています。“新しい何か”は仕込んでいまよ。何とは言えませんが、RX100で先んじることができたのですから、さらに前に進みます。
――新しい何かとは“より良いRX100”なのでしょうか? それとも、競争軸を変える取り組みでしょうか?
他社がきっとやらないだろう、あるいはやりにくいだろう、といったことを考えてロードマップで描いています。確かにスペック面で
RX100よりも良いカメラを他社が用意してきています。より良いRX100も取り組まねばなりませんが、そのまま真上に性能を伸ばすのではなく、斜め上
に進化していけるといいと思います。
それはたとえば、いままでは撮影できなかった（あるいは撮影しにくかった）写真が簡単に撮影できるために機能を加えるなど地道な改善も
あるでしょう。あるところまで進化が進むと、重箱の隅をつつくようなところで差異化するような開発が行われるものですが、あえて競争軸を変えることを考え
ています。
ではどのような方向でとなりますが、ソニー内製の技術を活用します。ソニーのイメージング製品は世界ナンバーワンのイメージセンサー、
レンズ、プロセッサ設計ノウハウにあります。この3つのコアテクノロジーを進化させ、組み合わせることで自分たちにしかできないことを提案するつもりで
す。
まだどこもやっていない、一歩も二歩も先に行ける仕掛けを今、仕込みんでいるところです。実際に発表すれば、“この手があったか、こんな技術がソニーにあったのか”と驚いていただけるものになります。
google translation only add confusion to me
You’re a dik.
It says “asdofashfoaihfowhfnweohrfvawoperhnvawoperhnawopetnrhvawopenthrvawopetmhawophtnawoithawophtnropaw”
It states, we no likey A mount…we no likey E mount…we no make no mo camura. We make RX2 curvy sensor…that it. WaWa…..
Please put higher quality optics inside viewfinders. Magnify the EVF to larger size of older Maxxum 9000, 9xi, 9. Move the proximity sensor and allow for third party magnifiers to operate with full function. Provide extended viewfinder so noses don’t smash against camera. Provide extra large circular optic to allow for greater eye relief, like Leica S2.
These are all simple ways to send EVF advantage far beyond any OVF camera can offer. Stop trying to make EVF mimic OVF and instead leverage it to full potential. Then you’ll see our CaNikon friends come aboard like rats from their sinking ships.
And please, change the hotshoe back to old iISO that has excellent third party support and better connectivity than current MIS disaster.
No thanks to iISO. I like the MIS – I can mount pocket wizards; use Canon flashes; share my sony flashes amongst my rx100-2, a99 & an eventual e-mount camera; and connect an XLR adapter to it that provides phantom power to microphones and powers the accessory keeping it light.
Sony should release an improved / sturdy iISO to MIS adapter though (along with an f62 flash that doesn’t shut down after a few minutes of use).
You could have mounted all that stuff with identical functionality onto iISO, without insisting that the native user investments of 20 years forced to adapt to retain TTL and HSS, and forgo massive third party support that’s built up over decades with two smart radio slave options, dozens of dumb slave options, countless third party flash and accessories and cables… all requiring an adapter now, to satisfy your dumb connections.
I don’t mean dumb as insult. I mean dumb as in not smart with TTL and HSS.
YES, Sony should have the Largest EVF even vs any OVF … 🙂
But, it also MUST be FAST … talking none of this “Slide Show” effect.
Sony, we recommend the new H-Mount Body (in honor of Ross Hamamura? or some other H word lol just pick one)
Flash Ship H-Mount Pro Body Full Frame (DLSR Size), Fully Compatible with E and A Mount. Utilizing a sliding mirror-less sensor mechanism. (adjusts distance to mount), adapts native A-Mount to E-Mount lenses using a very thin adapter with contacts extended and converted through adapter to e-mount lenses (included with body). Allows all current Sony lenses to work seamlessly (No Compromises) Note: mechanical focus is not an issue when going from A to E.. Eventually 4 models with 4 different sensor types 12mp, 24mp, 36mp, 54mp(future tech).
LOL, JustMe a A-Mount body with the H-Mount would NOT need a moving Sensor except for 5-AXIS IBIS. 🙂
It would be essentially MOUNTLESS Stainless Steel. with Contacts.
You would MOUNT an A-Mount “Adapter” for A-Mount , and it would NOT extend any farther than the Current A-Mount.
For E-Mount the “Adapter” would extend “INTO” the body. Closer to the MirroLESS Sensor. KEY here is it AF just as fast as it would on any E-Mount Body say the a6000.
Now, with Open specs … Metabones can make a AF ADAPTER for BOTH Canon and Nikon. Or any other Brand.
The Mount and it’s Adapters would NOT extend any farther than current A-mount.
And it MUST be DURABLE, and a SOLID Connection.
and the MirrorLESS AF, AF-C , Low Light AF -4EV AF … MUST be FAST !
Even Operationally FAST … two processors , 280 mb/s SD cards (two of them) and 4k Internal Recording.
Big Battery with “built in” Grip. I did say PRO … right?
36mp a7r Sensor at 6fps , and 12fps in APS-C crop Mode … just ask yourself how many mp’s are in the Crop Mode … and how many are in the 12 fps a77 m2? 🙂
Dream BIG.
My Guess SONY is the Electronics Company that can do this.
But, they must be BOLD !
And take NO Prisoners ! 🙂
Did I say it must be Operationally FAST ? …
Ok, make it so, SOny! lol
Come on people! What are they going to say!? Of course they’re not going to give any hint that they’re trying to push A-mount to the dumpster…they’re still making money off it! They’re going to milk this along for another few years until enough people switch to Canikon, or Emount, and it’s no longer selling. Then it will quietly fade away.
Have some common sense. Both the “A-mount is dead” and the “A-mount is fine” crowds are m0r0ns. It’s pretty dang simple to figure out what’s going on.
It’s like 90% of the people here are junior high dropouts.
Now, I’m going back to taking pictures with my A77II and 70-400G2. I advise you all do the same.
Complete nonsense
This is you: http://www.ostrichheadinsand.com/images/ostrich-head-in-sand.jpg
EXACTLY!
Full Frame cameras are launched once every four to five years. They are intended to be used by professionals, and it’s actually amazing that some of the trolls believe that photography, and consumer electronics have similar product launch cycles, when clearly they do not.
The A-Mount is designed for people who can intend to use it in a semi-professional or professional setting. Those of us who can afford to pay between $1500.00 to $3000.00 for out lenses.
These are exotic cameras to most of the trolls who visit the site, and I do understand the pain of not being to afford toped products.
Sony generates $197 billion USD from the A-Mount. Over 31% of Sony’s cameras revenue is from the A-Mount cameras, lenses, and accessories.
A-Mount products have the very large margins, more than the RX series, more than the e-mounts.
If anyone is trying to convince you the A-Mount is dead, laugh at them, They’re lying to you.
Hello. I’m not having a go but you mentioned in the past about the a99II being released etc. etc. Have you heard any more news?
The one person that gave me supposedly good information was full of crap about the release date. I do know what their intention are. Sony intends to launch a 36mp, 12fps FF SLT. Admin is correct about the new sensor.
Sony isn’t backing down from DSLRs, and they are not giving up.
I just came back from a Sony product launch in Canada. I was talking to people I know that happen to work there. I asked point blank Sony intentions for the A-Mount.
They indicated that they (Sony) absolutely want to dominate BOTH interchangeable lens markets. Once the squeakier toys get all of the lenses they need, Sony intends to return to producing lenses for all of their cameras on a more regular basis.
When I told them people have been saying the A-Mount is being discontinued. They spit out their food laughing, and said, “What Idiots Were Saying That”. I told them the “SAR trolls”, and we all laughed are asses off together. In fact I brought up the comments on my iPad, and showed them.
They have no intention of ceding anything to their opponents.
The other 82% of the camera market is far too valuable to give up.
Anyone saying different is lying, or expressing their opinion, without any facts to back it up.
I heard it’s slightly more than an incremental upgrade. It has a new PDAF system 36mp sensor, 12fps JPEG RAW, and I have absolutely no idea when it’s going to release.
However if the other rumours are correct, there will be no model between the A77II, and the A99II. The possible A88 may have been squashed completely, cause the last thing anyone wants is another 24mp A-Mount.
There are rumours indicating the possible 45-46mp camera, may be sport a new body with a built in vertical grip. I doubt this camera is a A99 replacement and maybe something else completely.
Last years rumours indicated a camera called the Alpha One was being readied for market in 2015. If they (the sources) were right a new, “Flag Ship Camera” is ready for launch sometime next year.
Who are you?
Anyone who’s been following SAR for the last two years, has an above average IQ, and photographic memory could tell you the same thing.
haha 197 billion from a mount would be more than apple makes…sounds about right.
Oops my bad!!! It’s $1.97 based on current projections.
Earlier today in this post I talked about the possibility of new ff mirrorless systems by both Canon and Nikon.
I was deluged with responses that it cant be done, wont be done , shouldnt be done and Barry is crazy ( abought 30 such responses) .
Another new posting just apeared on Nikon rumors about a larger sensor…ff?….mirrorless camera.
All the Canon and Nikon sites are having low level rumors of both Canon and Nikon ff mirrorless systems.
If these are made fully compatable with Nikon and Canon slr lenses this will have a major negative impact on E mount sales.
I believe they will do whatever is necessary to provide Canikon lens compatability.
Only native E mount is fully 100% comatable with E mount.
If Canikon lenses were fully compatable with Canikon mirrorless cameras and the quality of the cameras were comparable most people will choose Canikon.
Sony needs to have full compatability or they cannot compete when thes other systems come out.
The days of no competition are very limited.
Considering that neither the Canon M mount of the Nikon 1 series mount cameras had any decent compatibility with their DSLR lenses your theory seems rather ridiculous. If Nikon or Canon do that all their current M mount lenses and 1 series lenses will be obsolete and they will have to start again from scratch.
In fact the ONLY real manufacturer to provide and decent compatibility between their mirror-less and DSLR range is Sony with their AF adapters. Not the best solution to be sure but far better than what the competition offers.
The next generation of sensor is probably to be revealed in January.
If this is just like current sensors than not much will change and I am wrong…
But I do not think that will be the case…I expect this generation to be mirrorless…both A mount and E mount mirrorless.
I also expect the competition to share this technology or develope thier own version.
Therefore both SLT and SLR will be replaced with mirrorless.
You see by the reaction of A mounters on all the forums how angry the prospect of having to replace all their lenses makes them.
Can you imagine the reaction of Canikon users if they think they will have to replace all thier lenses?!
LOL.
This is a joke, right?
Yup. He doesn’t know about the A89 PDAF, which has already been designed for the new FF cameras.
Barry should consider creative wiring to compliment his photography, and painting skills, cause he has a habit of writing science fiction on this forum.
A89? Pssshh. Old news. Have you heard about the A93? Now that’s some hot stuff right there. It’s 585 megapixels and every other pixel is a PDAF on sensor! The low light performance spanks the A7s. According to my sources. And the Sony exec I spoke to.
They already know
PLEASE BARRY READ ON CANON STM INCOMPATIBILITY ALREADY
Please supply more specific info as to what you would like me to read.
I am aware that all camera manufacturers are currently experiencing compatability issues that havenot yet been resolved.
I am quessing that the next mirrorless sensor tech will appear in the rimored January relese…
If so mirroless compatable camera systems will rapidly appear.
If not…then what I am saying will still happen but it will take a little longer.
Eventually all cameras will be mirrorless.
Agree. What are you smoking?
This makes absolutely no logical sense at all.
I agree with BrendonF, that is.
Please don’t get him started!!!
Smoking makes absolutely no logical sense at all.
Very true Barry, Very true, come on Sony stop this silly game of trying to force customers to buy just your lenses, allow us to use our old lenses plus at least get the full function out of manual lenses. Why not allow us to set the F Value, what the hell, no reason this cannot be allowed to tell the camera what the lens F is set too.
Only advantage of changing mount flange distance to sensor (and developing new lenses because of that) would be saving some space inside the body. How much space? Around 32cm2, which is around 10% of volume of the A7 camera, or 5% of high end DSLR without vertical grip.
So I would expect that once CN can match mirrorless AF (OSPDAF+CDAF hybrid I guess) to that of high end dedicated PDAF – they will just drop mirror and go EVF, without changing mount or lenses. I really doubt they would choose to cause a riot by changing the mount (and native lenses in result) over slightly more compact package. Also, they do not need to bait users to switch by providing bit of compatibility to any lens, like E-mount does.
Why did Sony choose to go all in with FE? They just made a bet that mirrorless and EVF is the future (and it really is, once it can be implemented without compromising anything), and they wanted to get head start. They might do another generation of A-mount until mirrorless can really replace DSLR/SLT for all practical purposes, they might even do A-mount mirrorless at some point to keep existing users. But they are all in for FE, because they no longer believe they can dethrone CN with SLT+EVF, and they cannot afford to lose momentum they have gained now.
For me FE does not make too much sense, I would have been happier if they just did what CN most likely will – keep the mount, remove the mirror once tech is there. I care more about ergonomics than being bit more compact, so that empty mirror box would not bother me at all.
Only advantage of changing mount distance to sensor (and developing new lenses because of that) would be saving some space inside the body. How much space? Around 32cm2, which is around 10% of volume of the A7 camera, or 5% of high end DSLR without vertical grip.
So I would expect that once CN can match mirrorless AF (OSPDAF+CDAF hybrid I guess) to that of high end dedicated PDAF – they will just drop mirror and go EVF, without changing mount or lenses. I really doubt they would choose to cause a riot by changing the mount (and native lenses in result) over slightly more compact package. Also, they do not need to bait users to switch by providing bit of compatibility to any lens, like E-mount does.
Why did Sony choose to go all in with FE? They just made a bet that mirrorless and EVF is the future (and it really is, once it can be implemented without compromising anything), and they wanted to get head start. They might do another generation of A-mount until mirrorless can really replace DSLR/SLT for all practical purposes, they might even do A-mount mirrorless at some point to keep existing users. But they are all in for FE, because they no longer believe they can dethrone CN with SLT+EVF, and they cannot afford to lose momentum they have gained now.
For me FE does not make too much sense, I would have been happier if they just did what CN most likely will – keep the mount, remove the mirror once tech is there. I care more about ergonomics than being bit more compact, so that empty mirror box would not bother me at all.
Yeah, the space is stupid. It’s .7 inches for E mount verses 1.7 inches for A mount. Who cares, one inch IN THE CENTER OF THE CAMERA IS MEANINGLESS. Check out some of the first minolta A mount cameras. Pretty small- much like an A7. Once you slap on a lens the distance no longer matters much.
However, when it comes to designing lenses- that’s a whole other story.
Yes the space saved is only usefull if you only use tiny short lenses…and those often require desighn compromises to get that small.
If you need a versatile system huge compatability issues make the E mount system much more of a liability than an asset.
Yikes, guys. Someone talking about 2″, and someone else talking about .7 inches. I guess most Sony Togs have pretty short wangs. Not so with Canon…which…well, you get the picture.
Look it up. It’s 1.7 inches for A mount. For Canon- I believe it’s the same but like in millimeters. Small wangs those Canon guys have. If you take those Canon cameras near water to the flang distance shrinks. Major canon shrinkage.
I woild agree with that…I see very little advantage to shortening the mount unless you do so to make a universal camera that is fully compatable via adaptors with all mounts.
Sony did not do that with the A mount system.
While I see the advantages to mirrorless and would like to see mirrorless dslr form cameras …I see no advantage to a short mount system that is not compatable and forces lens change.
A mount cameras currently on weigh about 2 lb, E mount about 1lb…not much saving..
The 2″ size difference in the camera requires 2″ size difference in every lens except normal to wide angle…thats one reason for no long E mount lenses.
U should paint this: http://1bigcholent.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/picking-nose.jpg
I second this. Barry, this is SO you. Doooo eeeeet!
LOL
Just put up my Chimp avatar…it sometimes takes a while tobcome up so check back.
Considering you’re a self proclaimed animal guy, I’d think you’d know the difference between Chimps and Gorillas. They’re not even remotely close and you cannot call that a “chimp.” Anyone who’s ever spent ANY time around either would know this….so I think your credentials are somewhat false.
Actually, that’s not true. Chimps and Gorillas are both of the same genus, “Buffaloameobapeas”. They’re one level down from Homo Sapiens. Below them are Dolphins and Blue Fin Tuna. Get it straight and leave Barry alone. He knows his primates…very well…if you get my drift.
Actually, that’s not true. Chimps and Gorillas are both of the same genus, “Buffaloameobapeas”. They’re one level down from humans. Below them are Dolphins and Blue Fin Tuna. Get it straight and leave Barry alone. He knows his primates…very well…if you get my drift.
Of course I know the difference send this is indeed a female chimanzee in an Ivory Coast tree nest..her baby and the nest are in the painting but not in yhis detail.
I sm aldo aware thst there are 4 ape groups one of which are the gorillas and another of which are the chimpanzees.
Since the suggested subject was a gorilla I provided a detail of my chimpanzee painting becaise it is also an ape.
Actually chimps and gorillas are close genetically.
It’s your credentials that seem somewhat false.
You totally should paint this Barry! You’re such a good artist. I saw your work in National Geographics, I think.
Big gorilla hands need big grip. I don’t suggest an A7 then. That’s for chimps!
I hear there is a video of someone after Photokina putting their A99 through a wood chipper. Can someone please share with us the link to this awesomeness.
They would have done, but I believe it wasn’t yet light and there were complaints about the noise…
It got pulled down. It was on the German Sony Alpha users forum and I think Sony requested the guy remove it. The link to the youtube video is this, but doesnt work anymore (at least for me) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9u_3s4ht_9
It was on the Dutch Sony forum as well.
I watched the video, it was quite stupid. There is nothing cool about destroying a $2300 photographic instrument, yet this guy did it. I think the reason it was removed was because of all the disparaging comments he made toward Sony. He also put a 50mm f1.4 lens (not zeiss) through it and a 70-210 minolta beercan that was broken with a stuck zoom before the video ended. The frame on the A99 actually jammed the chipper and damaged it. Totally stupid.
I don’t think it’s a great idea- I just wanted to laugh at the stupidity on display. I’m sure the comments were heated though.
Interview with Nikon manager on DPReview now. Last question is telling…
As the DSLR market falters, what is your strategy for mirrorless?
“The mirrorless market is growing rapidly, thanks to products from manufacturers like Sony. We know that there is a certain body of demand for larger sensors in mirrorless products. Although we already have the 1 inch sensor in the 1 System, we don’t want to deny the possibility of future large-sensor mirrorless cameras. So maybe if there is enough demand we may be able to provide another type of mirrorless camera with larger sensors. This is one of the solutions.”
Get ready Sony… You’re about to get some stiff mirrorless competition from a company that has a fully operational and legacy compatible flash system that does not require adapters. And it will have a greater lens range with compatibility for more third party offerings.
Just sayin’…
Awesome! Someone has to put Sony in it’s place.
Sony knows- and so do their customers. I think most Canon and Nikon owners are simply waiting until they are given a mirrorless option of their own. Until then, I’m sure they don’t really care either way. I see no pro running out to buy an A7 anything because it is a must have of any sort. Canikon know this and I’m sure they have a strategy. First, it’s called watch and see how Sony does then perfect their mistakes and release a better system.
Right… and after the dust settles, when all makers have their mirrorless… Sony will be left with only their most loyal Minolta converts… the ones that supported them originally… and the ones that Sony betrayed.
Yep. Canon did it before in the 80’s. After the Minolta 7000 and 9000 took off, Canon went back to the drawing board and I believe it was 88’…wammo…the EOS system was born. It was all down hill for minolta then. Better system, more lenses. 30 years later Sony still isn’t grasping this. More lenses, more accessories- that is what pro’s want. Despite the major jump in consumer interest for DSLR’s it has mostly been the realm of pro’s. With the market shrinking you have to cater to their interests if you plan on being viable at all.
YES MUST capture the pro market for all that trickle down marketing leverage that no expensive advertisement can buy… Plus have training for the product in local stores. My local shop doesn’t have a clue how to operate any Sony product. They don’t get trained… But CaNikon reps hold big parties and offer incentive to sales force who push their product.
Mirrorless is easy for Sony because they don’t so much care about their a-mount customers. They put out some decent adapters and called it a day. It’s not so easy for Canikon because DSLRs are their bread and butter. They can’t afford to hack off their DSLR customers the way Sony is.
But the reality is the topic that keeps going around in circles and getting beat to death on SAR is how to make a ‘one ring to bind them all’ mirrorless body which allows folks with legacy DSLR glass use it to its full potential. Obviously, Canikon hasn’t figured it out or we’d see it by now. I don’t think Canikon cares if a mirror is in a body any more than any customer does. They just want the same great performance – or greater – without dumping their investment in glass.
I talked about this twice today ..both times I recieved about 30 cant be done, wont be done ,shouldnt be done, Barry is stupid comments.
And what did this teach you?
I just bought two 500/4 lenses for my airshow photography business, so i’m GLAD to hear A-mount will continue in the immediate future.
Pictures or it didnt happen
I’ve only got one – the other is still being made for me. They’re all hand made, by order.
That’s SO ‘shopped. Nice try.
Yeah, they gotta have time to take a Canon apart and house it in a G casing. I would insist upon the silver versions.
OK Hank Williams Jr… You obviously inherited your daddy’s story telling art, and perhaps his drinking habit. But thanks for the great tunes anyway.
You wish.
I’m not related to anyone special.
So…you’re not Hank Williams Jr?
Of course I am. That’s my name! But I’m THE Hank Williams Jr. As in, I’m not the famous one. Not yet at least. And it’s not photoshopped.
+1
could you share a picture of yourself with it please?
Trying to attach
I think my pants just got short.
I wasted time reading these. I think the odds of Canon or Nikon releasing a fully backward compatible camera are tiny. All of these mounts replaced older mounts. Canon and Nikon won the last war with great glass for professionals.
Sony has rectified this with Zeiss. The other smart thing Sony is doing now is leveraging there very strong presence in video with the FS7. Here we talk about a poor Photokina, but they did great at NAB and IBC this year. FE will be here for a long time. Alpha will die a few years before Canon’s EF. There are plenty of professionals switching to FE, but they are primarily video shooters.
http://filmmakermagazine.com/87548-ibc-2014-a-big-show-for-sony-and-blackmagic/#.VCHgvmK9KSM
Of course, I meant a fully compatible mirorless.
That’s awesome the entire photo is filled with A-Mount G-Series glass, and people are listening to our trolls.
Their about to release some of the best A-Mounts ever devised, and people are listening to our trolls.
Stop listening to the morons, and look at the picture. Sony’s taking the A-Mount into the Sports / Wildlife Photography market kicking and screaming.
The entire counter is filled with A-Mount Zeiss Lenses, and you even question Sony’s direction. They only brought their pro lenses for a reason. If you can’t figure it you definitely belong to the cheap mirror-less crowd.
I’ll bet you’ll see more Big White A-Mount G-Series, and more Big Zeiss Lenses lenses in the near future, for the A-Mount.
The littles lenses are meant for th feminin
The A-Mount is Sony’s Ferrari, and isn’t meant for those on fixed mirror-less budgets.
I’m going to share with all of you this amazing trick. If your tired of waiting on updated lenses for Sony A mount you no longer have to. Simply download any sony image in to lightroom. Be careful to make ZERO adjustments. Then, stand up from your seat. Now, slowly (slowly being the key word here) back away from the monitor. WAMMO! You’ll soon notice that all the CA simply melts away while sharpness, color saturation and bokeh rendition take on mythical proportions. For optimal results I suggest 30 feet- 60 feet if your using the current sony 35mm.
Now this is where it gets even better- time for the real magic fairy dust. Simply spin around 180 degrees and close your eyes. Now your ready to dream your pictures into large format quality prints. The key here is imagination (A sony invention!) and a lot of beer. This shouldn’t be a problem as any alpha shooter should have a six pack with them at all times. Happy shooting!
Dear Sony, January is far away. But it also happens to be tax return season. I’ve already written the check but messed up when I went to sign it over. For some odd reason I wrote “Niko..” and then stopped. I tried again and got…”D8..10….” and something like that. By that point I was pretty frustrated as you could imagine. So like, I ducktaped my 135mm 1.8 to my hand and ended up writing…”135mm F2…..AP…” AH. Of course now I’m like freaking out. I don’t know…anyhow I left the check on the fridge with some nasty white out. I eagerly await the A99II- assuming my alpha gear doesn’t threaten me to jump ship.
Is there really a ship?
it is more like a bamboo float at the moment.
Crazy fact. Canon came out with their EOS and EF mount in 1987. this was just two years after Minolta introduced the A mount and began distancing themselves from their MD lenses. So, if history repeats itself then Canon’s game changing answer to E mount should be announced toward the end of next year.
This is all that needed to be done to shut everyone up .
How expensive could it possibly be to do this ?
A99S 12mp 4k 12FPS & NFC
A99R 36MP 5FPS & NFC
No much .and thy found the cash to do it for e mount so tat leads me to one conclusion .
As part of selling sensors to NIKON .Sony cant compete against them in the PRO market ; S
I could believe that.
Yep, no doubt.
Exactly. You could use the same freaking body- just swap out the sensor and AF. It’s not rocketscience- it can’t even cost that much.
The most expensive thing would be design the new autofocus, and they’ve done it already in A77-II
Yeah, I rented the A77II and get it tomorrow for four days. Should be fun.
Would you share your impressions? 🙂 This forum needs more positivity
Yes, no doubt. I’ll be taking plenty of pics this weekend- should be some good stuff.
Did IQs suddenly drop. Everything you need to know is in the picture.
The picture in the article shows a man in from of a wall adorned with A-Mount G-Series lenses, and a table with dozens of A-Mount Zeiss lenses. All of them are high quality professional lenses, and it should be noted they didn’t bring any consumer grade A-Mount lenses.
Sony is planning to take its Alpha (as real alphas) line directly into the same fields its professional video cameras that dominate the industry. That’s why Sony Pro A-Mount products, will now receive the same attention my video camera currently does.
Your right the e-mount is clearly taking over the space left vacant by the older A-Mounts, while Sony’s “FLAGSHIP” product line, (which generate more revenue than any other camera line they sell) is elevated from a consumer product line to Sony Pro.
That’s why the trolls are screaming, they are well aware of the fact that Sony has actually left them behind. When the new A-Mounts arrive the separation between the communities will be perfectly clear, as many people in the industry have already indicated.
The A-Mount will move away from the consumers, and probably only be sold at https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/home.do or any other retailer that currently sell professional Sony video products. Or maybe they’ll just create a separate www/pro.sony.com/photo/home site.
In the end most companies operating Sony video cameras may simply buy A-Mounts in order to consolidate their current camera (video/SLR) support services under one roof.
This pictures going on my fridge…any maybe my neighbors fridge…he doesn’t know it yet though.
He’s surrounded by G-Series glass, and a counter full of A-Mount ZA glass, and people are wondering about the A-Mount’s future.
Sony’s taking the A-Mount to where it should have been years ago (Sony Pro), and It won’t be hard to convince current Sony Pro (Video Cameras) to switch-out their other platforms, and consolidate under a single Sony Pro account for their Video, and Photography needs.
PMW-F5’s and A99 under the same service plan is a pretty sweet deal. Its kinda makes about as much sense, as buying Word, Excel, Power Point, and Outlook together (or Adobe’s Master Suite) and getting a massive discount.
Were slowly doing it. Once we get more information on Sony Pro for imaging professionals we intend to replace our remaining Canon’s with whatever replaces the A99. However we need more information on the future G-Series lenses, cause they’re missing a 400mm f/2.8, which is kind of a no no.
Cause we’re not running a charity, and at the end of the year its really the bottom line (profit). Plus most of the Canon users we employ, who supposedly hate our A99’s seem to be signing them out more often these days.
So, if your listening to the the naysayers there going to lead you down the rabbit hole. For the rest of us who earn dollars, and cents from both video, and imagery we know consolidating under one manufacturer, just makes sense.Plus the ZERO down and 0% financing (Sony Pro Clients) deals have really helped us buy kit that was normally out of our budget (Like the F5).
What about a 50-150 2.8 for amount apsc. Equivalent to ff 70-200. For portraits or indoor sports like football indoor (aka football sala) Dont need IS because we ha IBIS so the lens must be cheaper,lighter and shorter. Sigma had that lens but they drop it…
It’s nice to see some sane heads on here commenting on the ridiculousness of the trolls, and I have a feeling from most of the normal posts that these are the same guys who actually shoot sony and actually make money from photography in some way.
The pattern was exactly the same pre a99. Chicken little ” no more full frames for sony ,, oh boy jump ship” after the a99 launched,,, cricket sounds… for a while,,, but then…
What a lot of the lemmings on this site don’t realize is that there are actually paid canon and nikon trolls spreading the foul rumors. You can read it in the way they post, the exaggerated descriptions, the comical, the sense of the absolute (you see the same style on stock market web forums when paid trolls either hype or bash a particular stock, and it works there too)
The worst part is many suckers gobble it up and get shaken out of the tree. I think a lot of that has to do with low confidence issues for sony users. For the trolls Little money well spent for the competition. It’s really a cheap way to persuade many to go back to canon and nikon.
Don’t think so about paid trolls? Why would anyone care soo very much to keep saying something that clearly has no basis at all. Always were clamoring to get the first post, who has that much time? No new announcements at photokina? well they could be playing their cards close, they are not obligated to announce their entire plan to the competition especially if it’s not ready yet. I didn’t hear a announcement for a canon 5dmk4,, no more 5d?
You know the saying… “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
They aren’t on anyone’s payroll, just volunteer idiots.
They’re paid trolls who are shilling for whomever pays them the most. We are not stupid. Most of them share the same IP address. I’m just amazed that no one picked up on it sooner.
It’s the way buisness is conducted on the Internet these days. Bogus reviews, paid trolls, companies pay millions of dollars to marketing firms to promote their products and discredit their competition.
Trolls, and Bogus reviews have taken completely the place of TV ads in some markets.
Know what… you could actually be right.
The only person among the A-Mount doomasayers with a valid nickname seems to be Lotus Eater, and he actually uses A-Mount as well.
All the other guys have nicknames like “A Mount is dead” or “What A Mount” or something.
There are companies in throughout the world that are dedicated to overwhelm websites with negative comments abouts products. It’s cheaper to employ people in this capacity than buy air time on radio or TV networks.
It’s easy to pick these people out from their poor writing skills, and poor understanding of the English language. Some are actually gave better production values than legitimate reviews.
Also keep an eye out for bogus reviews on YouTube. You’ll see plenty, completely misrepresenting one product while promoting another product. The producer is generating revenue from youtube, and whatever/whoever is paying them.
And Lotus isn’t a paid troll, shilling for anyone, he’s 100% authentic. Yup I think he was born grumpy.
The A77II with its 4D AF system has already blasted it competition out of the water. SLT is far from propriety, its based on Pellix invented by Canon in 68. Canon sold Pellix based products up-to the mid 90’s. EOS RT look it up. Never mind I’ll do it for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C…
Here’s the Canon’s new SLT (Pellicel) camera EOS-RT
http://www.canonrumors.com/201…
its better because it Reflectance is variable, and allows the use of a OVF. So you get WYSIWYG through a OVF, pretty FN amazing stuff. They might eve put a transparent oled display in the OVF housing to give you both options.
WOW!!! That is pretty crazy stuff. Canon is dropping a M43, and a SLT in the near future. Man I wish I hadn’t dumped 20K into A-Mount.
Yeah I’m not saying all people who say anything bad about A mount are paid trolls,, I’ve seem some decent arguments. Also there are a fair amount of people who just feel inferior and self doubting in their decision to buy into the e-mount and want sony to focus all efforts on the E. That is “small” of them but at least it’s honest, and kind of cute.
When reviewing a post ask yourself if the context feels right, who is the poster, do they actually have sony gear / insight into the industry / photography profession, or are they just saying broad sweeping statements like ” The A mount is on the way too the garbage,, everybody knows that”.. Who would actually say that and what real proof substantiates that statement,, if none,, then pure troll.
Exact same thing with sony full frame 2 years ago, if I had time I would go into the archives.
It wasn’t to long ago we had a rumor about the 135mm 1.8 SSM. If it is true, we know the 85 is soon to follow. There is little reason for Sony NOT to refresh these lenses. Timing? Well, makes sense to launch them around a new product- preferably a flagship.
Canon rumors a few weeks before Photokina were all about a major sensor upgrade- maybe 36MP or more. Guess they didn’t deliver, it isn’t true….or….or…..just maybe they’re keeping there dang mouth shut. I get the feeling Nikon is doing the same- so why not Sony?
Look, SLT is going to meet it’s end. It doesn’t mean A mount will as well. However, for now we have to wait. We have no choice. You either sit tight and ride the wave or jump ship. The way I see it is an A99II is INEVITABLE. Regardless of A mounts future, it’s easy money. So many A mount users and decades…decades….of glass means there is a market for it. It’s coming.
We didn’t get a glimps at Sony’s curved sensor RX2, we didn’t get an A99II….we didn’t get the Medium Format fixed lens camera we’re all pretty sure Sony already has line-up. You know why….cause it’s not 2015 and the big three are keeping there dang mouths shut. Sony trailing and trying to keep steam with E and A mount can’t afford to leak info. Sorry, real rumors are probably far few and in between these days. I can wait. My glass didn’t stop working yesterday. I can give Sony and the Minolta legacy a few more months to up its game. IMO- it’s worth the wait and if they deliver we could be the true beneficiaries of next gen. sensor technology- first to the table. If anyone can do it (seriously now) it’s Sony. They have the tech- why not?
I don’t want to bust your bubble TIPS (Thinking In PictureS) but SLT has a very bright future ahead of it.
Sony has already overcome its greatest obstacle, which is the ISO performance. Mirror-less cannot and will not reach the SLR performance levels required by professionals, and the dedicated PDAF all SLRs currently use will remain a critical component to all professional cameras.
Professional SLR users need the absolute fastest cameras money can buy whether they are Canon, Nikon or Sony. The A77II has already proven that SLT technology has already matured to the point that it is already more capable than SLR, and mirror-less.
SLT was once considered a bridging technology, but the technology has evolved, and is seen (by professionals) as the only technology effective enough to replace the DSLR.
Canon has already realized that SLT is the future of professional full sized high performance cameras, and development of a Canon SLT is well under way. They will use this technology to keep their massive user-base, and lenses catalog intact.
Once the new Canon EOS RT (Pellix) is launched SLT technology will reach mass acceptance, and the SLT will fly off the shelves.
If Sony dropped the dedicated PDAF from its SLR (SLT) it will cripple A-Mount performance, and making it irrelevant. A mirror-less A-Mount would not have the performance level necessary to operate a larger lenses like the 500mm f/4, 400mm f/4, and 300mm f/2.8 effectively.
Mirror-less is best suited for CSC, where high performance isn’t as necessary to its users, as SLR users.
How has SLT evolved? It’s a proprietary technology used by Sony. What evidence is there that Canon is developing their own. With that said, we haven’t even seen a second generation SLT system unless your counting the A77II? Integrated phase detection suggests SLT is and will remain a bridge technology. Integrated phase detection is making new breakthroughs on a monthly basis- this was stated by Sony’s top engineer about six months ago when talking about the future of E mount. Does it still have a long way to go? Possibly, but I think the gap is decreasing rapidly.
Re-posted for you
The A77II with its 4D AF system has already blasted it competition out of the water. SLT is far from propriety, its based on Pellix invented by Canon in 68. Canon sold Pellix based products up-to the mid 90’s. EOS RT look it up. Never mind I’ll do it for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C…
Here’s the Canon’s new SLT (Pellicel) camera EOS-RT
http://www.canonrumors.com/201…
its better because it Reflectance is variable, and allows the use of a OVF. So you get WYSIWYG through a OVF, pretty FN amazing stuff. They might eve put a transparent oled display in the OVF housing to give you both options.
Well, Canon’s SLT is a rumor- so I’d take that win a grain of salt. They can’t even produce a decent sensor right now that isn’t outdated by like 5 years. However, OVF with a transparent OLED display- your talking my language. If someone comes out with that I’d be all over it. That would be a game changer.