TheCameraStoreTV team posted their Sony A7R II Hands-On Field Test Part 1 With Kyle Marquardt. And they compared it against the Canon 5DSr and they say the A7rII simply blows the Canon out of the water! With one exception: The Canon still beats the A7rII for sports photography because of the much more accurate autofocusing on moving objects. Something Sony has to improve on the future A9 🙂
More A7rII tests:
A7rII Dynamic Range Tests at Luminous Landscape with a video from Michael Tapas who defines the A7rIi as a “very very very game changing camera“!
A7r II and Voigtlander lenses (Mirrorlessons).
A7rII preorder list:
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In Asia at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
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in dynamic range, for everything else…
… it is even better!
Like high ISO, 4K, IBIS, size…
..too
..it kicks its ass too! There I finished it for you…I know it was hard for you to admit it so i gave you a bit of help 😉
One of the best reviewers out there.
“blows it out of the water” What a bold statement. I have both cameras and they both make fantastic pictures. Neither blows either out of the water.
Looks like this vid was shot from tripod with steady shot turned on. Notice the background and edges of frame moving very slightly. I don’t like it. Hard to concentrate on the actual content of the presentation.
No, that’s caused by CAF Clyde?
USB 3.0 is missing, 2 card slots, a better connectivity to Profoto remote air triggers for HSS and TTL, a old school (X) sync connection is missing, could happen that the transmitter system is not working and as a pro the good old cable release could be a rescue, ( okay I have a chinese adapter for x sync for the hotshoe but its not perfect for a 3500€ camera…. for pros some important points are still missing, but as a Son A7 and a7r user I can definately use the camera and will ditch my 2 bodies for this one and hopefully A9 is around the corner:-)) . Hoping for thiese improvements !!
I am sure Sony will release all that in the next iteration of camera but not all at once. If all this came with the A7RII, what will the be the next big update in A7RIII. Don’t forget companies think way ahead, years down the line. They need to make sure they can add features in the next and next iteration after that.
I believe the A7R3 will be a lot smaller improvements. Probably the same sensor, just small cosmetic changes to the body, like dual cards, usb3, etc…
And not a mention of lossless compressed RAW. That’s despite all the wailing on these pages about how it blows out highlights, reduced DR and turns milk sour at 100 metres.
I don’t know why the reviewer thinks that a “tiny RAW” option with lower resolution is just a simple bit of coding the the camera. It most certainly is not. Indeed, it’s a bit difficult to see what it would actually represent. Producing a “tiny RAW” using sub-sampling would produce awful results, especially due to the bayer pattern filter being on a 2×2 repeated pattern. It would produce the sort of nasty artefacts that you get with line-skipping and video. The alternative is to read all the pixels and do some form of down-sampling and output a type of “pseudo RAW”. To do so would require demosaicing in camera and downsizing then regenerating the pseudo RAW. If that was done with a single colour channel per “pseudo-RAW” pixel, it would, of course, reduce size proportionately but I think the result would be awful. If, however, a (Foveon style) 3 colour channel per pixel pseudo-RAW was produced, it would generate 3 times as much data per pixel and might even make larger files unless the MP count was reduced below 14MP (such a file would be more like a TIFF than anything else).
In short, it is not simple and the results are likely to range from being poor to dreadful.
My d750 had options for smaller raws in FF and two crop modes, images were fine. If Nikon can figure it out, it can’t be that complicated.
No kidding, stop using logical argumenents, it may catch on around here…… 🙂
You clearly didn’t understand his request. You d750 can produce different size RAWS through use of different compression options, bit depth and frame size (e.g. DX vs FX). However, that wasn’t what the reviewer was asking for. He was after reduced resolution, and he didn’t mean by cropping (which the Sony can do to some extent). It’s at 8:06 onwards and he says
“The other thing I’d like to see is a small RAW function. I mean know RAW is all about getting the best quality possible but, if you don’t need that high resolution, and you’re trying to streamline your workflow, it’s nicer to have a smaller res RAW”.
That doesn’t sound like it’s achieve by cropping (which affects FoV of course), nor would reducing bit depth or compression option change resolution. In all those modes the resolution is exactly the same – simply the native pitch of the sensor pixels.
As far as I’m aware no 35mm DSLR or mirrorless produces a “reduced resolution RAW”. They are only reduced in sizing through cropping, reduced bit depth or compression.
Phase 1 have a mode on the P65+ which does reduce the number of pixels by a factor of four, but as a mechanism to improve high ISO by combining charge signals from multiple pixel sites (it goes from 60 to 15 MP). The means by which they do it requires changes to the sensor and it has to combine in a compromised way due to the bayer filter pattern. It’s hardly just a coding change.
Agree. But this is s.th. I would like very much, too. I am sure it is possible to do that, even though it requires demosaicing in camera. Processing power increases, too, helping here.
“As far as I’m aware no 35mm DSLR or mirrorless produces a “reduced resolution RAW”. They are only reduced in sizing through cropping, reduced bit depth or compression.”
Canon has been offering mRAW and sRAW, which are just reduced resolution RAW files, for quite a while now.
OK – my mistake. Having a quick read it looks like there’s a sort of “lin skipping” version and a reduce resample one to produce a pseudo-RAW. I wonder how often those options are used. In any event, it is possible.
And like I said, my d750 could do the same thing. Sheesh….
“Blows the Canon 5DSr out of the water”?
A little selective in your quote, I think…
You mean he might be trying to attract attention to the news item? Heaven forbid such a thing. What if somebody else on the Internet realised putting sensational headlines attracts traffic. The Web will never be the same…
Good review except the predictable and “missing the point” whining about battery life
Wow you know a camera is knocking it out of the ballpark when they need multiple parts to the video to cover it all and the first video is 25 minutes. I’ll have to save it to watch later.
Haha exactly my thoughts 🙂
Make a better grip , like the one on Panasonic gh4. I will be buying it
Had a chance to play with the A7RM2 this past weekend. Fantastic camera! Love at first click!!
I really enjoy the comparisons. Not one SONY reviewer has ever said the Canon 5ds/r is garbage. If anything, it gets praise for such outstanding resolution, battery life, etc. As a Canon user, I think my fellow Canon users are just frustrated that nothing new seems to be coming soon. I also get frustrated with some Canon fans calling the Sony a toy, etc. Totally wrong. I think the SONY is a fantastic camera and things will only improve moving forward. Hopefully Canon is seriously holding things off a bit longer so they can further refine and improve the next versions of their DSLR’s. If the 1dx ii, 5Div and 6Dii were just minor improvements (which i think was the original plan before the Sony and D810 praises), then things would get ugly. Also, I think Canon thought that high MP was the big feature everyone would get excited about. I feel they got that wrong as well.
I would not be surprised if SONY uses the next A99 to take on the 1dx (and Nikon version) for shutter speed.
Sony, Pentax…..some exciting times coming. Could Fuji be next with a FF camera?
They also say @SAR_Admin blows when he’s using random phrases from a review in his posts.
I have both cameras and both are great, I can’t say one is better than another one, they are different and serve different purposes, exactly as the Kyle and Chris said. Want a few extra Mpx, reliability and almost instant AF (especially with the lenses like 70-200 f/2.8) – the 5dsr is your choice. Not in rush, may need an extra DR and IBIS for the lenses like Otus – the A7r2 is unbeatable. Video: nothing to compare, the A7r2 is a winner.
The 5DSR was constantly blowing the highlights out which I noticed on their images too. For landscape that’s not so good.
In other words, an A-mount camera with the same specs as a A7RM2 (and perhaps better because of larger battery) with a new FF dedicated AF module would destroy the 5DSR entirely. Missed chance for Sony…
Part II next week is video performance.
Bye Bye Canikon! Prehistory photography. The future is mirrorless and pro video capable cameras
So the 5DSR is only better at sports photography but no one will use it for that because we have 1Dx or 5DIII for that…