On left 5 axis on and on right 5 axis off (Source: Mobile01).
Note: The A7II is shipping at Amazon Japan. Will ship from Tuesday on Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, SonyStore!
Here are new Sony A7II stabilization tests:
First the bad news: It’s still not official but it really looks like manual focusing third-party lenses will indeed benefit from the 3 axis stabilization only. But maybe that’s something can easily upgrade in future if SAR reader will make some pressure on them 🙂
And now the good news: There are new stabilization test videos you have to check out. It really shows how impressive the difference is between having or not having the new A7II on sensor stabilization system. After watching this you will a hard time to buy any other A7 camera without the stabilization!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLo7mPpOCSQ
Amazing! Also the “limited” 3 axis stabilization on the [shoplink 31489 ebay]Minolta MD 135mm lens[/shoplink] does wonder. One more stabilization test has been posted on Mobile01. Justs croll down to the two (10pics series) of pictures taken with and without the stabilization.
What do you think? If you find more test feel free to post them all on our forum thread: sonyalphaforum.com/topic/135-sony-a7ii-steadyshot-test-la-ea2-sal70400g-ssm-ii/.
USA/Canada preorders:
Sony Alpha a7II (Body Only) for $1,698 at Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, SonyStore and Sony Store Canada (Click here).
Sony Alpha a7II with FE 28-70mm OSS Lens for $1,998 at Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, SonyStore.
Sony 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 G SSM II Lens for $1,148 at BHphoto.
EU preorders:
Sony Alpha a7II (Body Only) for 1.799 Euro at Sony Germany, Sony UK, Jessops UK, Sony France, Sony Italy, Sony Spain, Sony Austria, Sony Switzerland, Sony Netherland, Sony Belgium, Sony Portugal, Sony Sweden, Sony Finland, Sony Norway.
Sony Alpha a7II with FE 28-70mm OSS Lens for 2.099 Euro at Amazon Germany, Wex UK, Jessops UK, Verkkokauppa.
Asian/Australia preordersNote:
Sony A7II at Sony Store Australia (Click here) and Amazon Japan (Click here).
98 Responses
It’s not good enough.
So what would be “good enough”?
No matter what Sony does you guys here at SAR only complain.
sony should have …
– just use the shutter of the sony a7s (fully electronic silent shutter you hear nothing)
– change raw algorithms (full 14 bit uncompressed raw file!!!)
– put double sd card slot uhs II
– better/more durable battery (ibis will increase the consumotion and lower the possible shots!!!!)
– built in flash /focus assist lamp
– usb 3.0 port than usb 2.0 would be a nice upgrade …
– fully articulated screen would be a nice upgrade as well…
rest state of the art tech/specs (gps, af -3ev etc.) could/ should they include in the a9…..;)
But sony just wanted to cange and built in as less as new stuff in order to use the most possible parts of the sony a7 I production, decrease the production costs and increase the profit margins per sold unit…..
so “only” IBIS, some design changes more like dslr in order to try to convincedslr owners to switch to sony fe mount….af faster 30% and better tracking 1.5 still need some evidences/to be proofed….time will tell…
totally agree but you missed something ….
use the seonsor of the rx1r so 24 fullframe cmos sensor but without aa….yielding in sharper images…
And one more:
LENSES, LENSES and LENSES……esp. CHEAP; OPTICALLY VERY GOOD/excellent PRIMES (as Nikon 1.8 series!) doesnt matter if plasticky…maybe a 2.0 series would be a good compromise but not zeiss loxia some with af….
What camera system do you use now? I know of none on the market that even come close to meeting your specifications. Do you even have a camera (not counting a I or Smartphone).? Not likely.
You can’t simply assume that because the A7S has a silent shutter (which has its own compromises when used, like higher noise, lower bit depth and rolling shutter artifacts) that it can just be transferred onto an A7 II. The latter has twice the pixels, and at the current state of technology it’s not possible to read and digitise the data fast enough to support a viable electronic shutter.
Anyway, if you don’t want this one, then see what the A9 brings.
Great job; all the troll talking points in one post!
Idiot and very fool person.
for $1695 you can not get everything of the world.
And don’t forget it’s the wrong formfactor and the wrong mount , so everthing you listed in a A99 body priced at $ 3000 would be interesting
Silent shutter and IBIS. That’s all they need to do and no one would be complaining.
And the shutter is too loud for street photography.
There’s not enough lenses, and they are either too slow or too big.
not sure you have tested the FE-line in the shop
Call me stoned, but I think the soft-stabi in the i-phone does still a better job in video:D
You are either stoned, mentally deficient or a combination of both. Stick with the I-Phone, the interface is made for people like you.
THANK YOU SO MUCH SONY FOR FOR E-MOUNT STEADYSHOT!
words cannot express how much I’m thankful for!
my priceless legacy lenses + steady shot + full frame = amazing!
Thank you so so much!
I promise you Sony I will be one of the first to buy the A9!
You’re welcome.
You may be interested in:
http://www.devotedsonycustomersgetcamerasforfree.com
I am happy to see someone expressing thanks. I am grateful for the amazing choices and tech that we have at our disposal. I am very happy with my a99, a77ii and a6000. They produce excellent pictures. I will jump into the a7 series at some point. I don’t mind waiting. thanks Sony for pushing the photo industry. I think we will see the day when cameras of all brands will have a sticker on the body that says Sony inside and have recognition that intel does with computers.
Shutter sound comparison at time 4:24, check it out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYXXeH_BtRA
not awesome….more horrible for a mirrorless cam even the nikon d750 and d810 are quieter despite having mirror (moving up) and being a dslr…..and the less mass/weight/damp issue is not valid as the only one….they should have used the sony a7s shutter….totally unreasonabel/comprehensive move from sony not to do so….oc cheaper production….btu really??
Their not quieter, and don’t have IBIS. Troll.
Actually the 810’s new shutter is significantly quieter. The D800 isn’t really any quieter but the D810 is.
Have you compared it to the A7II? I bet not.
No but neither have you so your troll reference is simply you being nasty for no reason. The guy on the video said that there isn’t much difference (although it did sound different but then he didn’t hold it in exactly the same place either) and since I have compared it to the A7, my comment is reasonable.
The video presenter did not consider the shutter sound an issue in either case and did not belabor the point. Playing back the audio from that clip and viewing it on a spectrum analyzer, there is a significant difference of about 6+db between the A7 and A7II. So until you actually compare them side by side and measure the sound levels, you are just guessing. Whether or not that guess is reasonable is debatable, but lacking any basis other than hearsay I would say not.
You can not use that for spectral analysis. You would have to have a very controlled experiment where your analyzer is precisely at the same distance in precisely the same position relative to the camera and in precisely the same controlled scenario. that isn’t the point. the point is that you are calling somebody a troll when they made a valid point that you simply didn’t like.
The Sergeant’s point is also valid. You simply didn’t like it.
I didn’t like him calling somebody a troll that clearly isn’t!
That “valid” point wasn’t presented very nicely and wasn’t substantiated either. So, hardly valid.
The real reason to buy A7-II over the original A7 are faster focusing and better ergonomics, not IBIS. Native FE lenses have OSS already, and most “legacy lenses” are crap.
What a silly, puerile comment. What hole did you crawl out of? If you see the thread at the fredmiranda website where people post their Sony A7 series samples, you’ll see the amazing photos taken with legacy lenses. I just can’t stand by when you dish out such crud by saying “legacy lenses are crap”.
He’s just being himself, an a$$.
Oh, did you buy the a7 as soon as the a7ii came out? Can’t afford the a7ii? Aw, poor baby!
Nice trolling 😉
Not really. Very uninspired.
IBIS is one of several reasons to buy the A7II. Not all native FE lenses have OSS, so I’m not sure why you dismiss IBIS.
Tell that to people who own a large catalog of non-stabilized a-mount lenses.
Using them on an E-Mount camera is not a great idea anyway.
As a filmmaker the A7II originally sounded like a quite good small 1080p cam with Sony bringing Slog option and a quite good code. I might live with more alaising and moire comared with an A600 but for video the micro jitter is a no go, because you can’t get rid of it in post.
So my only interest is if I can use lens stabilization only, without using the internal stabilizer…
It’s intended primarily as a still camera, if a video camera is what you need then choose the A7s or wait for the A7sII. That being said, the assumptions you are making are likely wrong. Wait for more testing to be done before jumping to baseless conclusions.
The same old arguments from a still shooter.
Why then is Sony featuring SLog, XAVC-S, Timecode and Clean HDMI Out if they don’t intend a use of this camera for serious film making?
And please explain to me, what exactly is the point of having timecode in a photography environment?
Why? Because they can.
What are you shooting with now.
What focal lengths do you use for video? micro-jitter is obviously going to be really apparent in test videos such as these at 400mm and 135mm, just look at olympus at 100mm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bd1fWkSqQs
not saying Sony’s is better, but at really far focal distances its not going to be perfect. I’m hoping to use it mostly for still shooting. If steady shot and multi-shot noise reduction can be combined at the same time, it seems like you can get 5+ stop exposure increase and higher iso without noise, getting you closer to a7s performance without the MP drop.
Old, but valid. It is primarly a stills camera. That doesn’t mean you can’t make “serious” video, but that most features would be stills oriented.
The IBIS can be disabled in the menu, if that’s what you desire.
I don’t think we’ve seen how the IBIS in the A7ii looks on tripod or with steady cam. It might be better turned on or off depending how it reacts to a stable environment.
SO CAN I BRING IN MY SONY A7-S ( 3 weeks old) and GET THE WHOLE PRICE
BACK, MY 1900,-$.. IF YES…THANKS…
I WILL NOT BUY THE A7-S-2..okay… so wehre is my money back…….. i will never
buy anything from SONY again… this is a 500,-$ BLOATWARE.. and there it is
to expensive…..
Why take it back the a7s is a totally different camera then the a7 or a7ii the a7s can shoot up to 52000 ISO and still be useable. The a7 and a7ii can go up to 6400 ISO. A7s no moire/aliasing, a7 & a7ii has moire and aliasing not horrible but it’s there.
The video from A7s is excellent.
If the A7sii come out with 5-axis IBIS + 4k, I will get one immediately.
What a bellend! Have you been living on a dessert island?
Psychotic troll!
So has the A7S stopped working or something?
This camera is not a replacement for the A7S anyway. That has very different characteristics and remains on sail of course
His post is total BS, just another troll. Don’t try to respond logically he don’t want to hear it.
No.
I’m sure you’re a troll. However, I learned long ago that Sony isn’t for people who are driven to have the latest since Sony puts out a lot of stuff and refreshes often.
My concern with the a7ii is that the IBIS you see right now may be all you get until the next body even if there is room for improvement in the firmware. I’d like to see this aspect of Sony change. It has changed a bit, but there is still room for improvement.
Why are you asking this forum if you can return your camera (if you are not full of s***)? Ask your retailer. Most reputable ones have a 30 day return window.
New stuff comes out all the time, that’s life. Electronics companies have no obligation to inform consumers when to stop buying certain models.
If you’re merely a “collector” then go buy a Leica or start a stamp collection, my goodness!
HULK smash troll!
They had to add this feature to counteract the Lens Mount Flex/Vibration on these toy cameras.
No, these features were added to drive trolls like you crazy with envy. And it’s working…………….:)
Well said young man, some of us professional camera testers know the dastardly lengths photographers will go to ignored to make sharp pictures!
And to add insult to injury, this useless 5K iMac keeps auto-correcting me too. I’m alway right, why the heck do I need auto-correct……….. 🙁
because you not known language yours…GTFO and go to school!
Can we have the option to disable the flash focus assist on the camera and use the one built in by third party flash manufacturers. Please………
Are there any comparisons between this new A7II stabilization and A-mount stabilization on a current DSLT? That is, run the same tests, comparing stabilization of the A7M2 with an A77 II. Would there be noticeable benefits between the A7M2 stabilization vs. the A77 II stabilization? It kinda’ seems that Sony is dusting off their old Alpha mount marketing material and re-selling nearly the same technologies to us.
There are using the buyed OMD stabilisation system. so its not new but, better than the a77ii 😉
The system being used in the A7II is much more robust than the OMD system and is a completely different design with no common parts or firmware. But it is better than the system on the A77II.
If by “more robust” you mean weaker and less effective than the OMD system, than you are correct, haha. It’s very clear from the examples that the Sony system still doesn’t even match up to the IBIS from the E-M5, much less the E-M1.
The IBIS in A77ii is 2-axis only.
The IBIS in A7ii is 5-axis.
I CRY FOUL – give this camera to a real pro DigLloyd and I’m positive he could make all those pictures blurry!
Looking forward to shooting the telecombo LA EA4 + Tamron SP 70-300 finally handheld.
Get Canon or Nikon, no need for adaptation device of fail
Third party lenses won’t get 5-axis IBIS because you need focus distance for 5-axis. If someone made a Leica M adapter that’d convert the rangefinder coupling into a signal for the A7ii body, then Leica M lenses would get 5-axis
According to Mobile01’s review
The A7ii 5-axis IBIS is 差強人意(barely satisfactory) and
A7ii AF-C compare to A6000 is 有段差距(clear gap between)
They’re specifically saying that 4.5EV of stabilization is barely useful over a sequence of tested photos. Everyone knows that the manufacturer’s rated number stops of stabilization for any system (IBIS or lens-based) is always optimistic. If the A7II delivers 100% 1:1 sharp images @ 2EV stabilization and 75% @ 3EV then most will be satisfied.
I think you are right. 😛
I am still hoping that Sony can put the 5-axis in A-mount camera.
Google translated it to “passable” and “there was a gap” wich is not quite as negative as your translation.
Great camera but really a shame that IBIS is poor in video (full of micro vibrations) unlike EM1 :(. Also it’s a shame that video mode is the same as A7 (unlike D750 with the improvement in term of moire and aliasing over the D610) … Such a shame you were so close sony !
Looking at the comments I think it’s time to turn off guest comments 🙂
Yes any Marxist leftist would also say the same thing to silence free speech.
Unfortunately the people who use free speech the most often are the ones who probably shouldnt.
No he is right, defending anonymous comment trolls is exactly what the freedom of speech is all about.
“if SAR reader will make some pressure on them”
GREAT cause we dont have enough barrys and trolls
Criticizing Sony is NOT trolling. We don’t have to love everything they offer. If we don’t like it, we can just say it. There is something between a Fanboy and a Troll you kno, maybe even 95 % of us…
GTFO troll
Critic isn’t telling negativity, it is telling positive and mentioning negative only if there ain’t anything positive.
Criticism is very hard to give as it needs to be positive and that is the constuctive manner to even mention negative sides.
I will not buy this new A7-II till time it will have 5-axis IBIS with glass jar from pickles.
It DOES have 5 axis with a jar, you just have to dial in the focal length of your jar!
Sony needs to encourage more companies to develop pickle jar to E-mount adapters. The demand is clearly out there.
a Pentax adapter is on Amazon right now; no need to wait.
This steady shot system sure has quieted much of the wailing from the vocal minority of disgruntled a-mount users with e-mount envy (not all a-mount users mind you, of which I am one). Though I doubt they have placed their orders – they are too busy seeking something new to b**ch about rather than work on improving their photos by improving their skills.
You are talking Bullshit!
I am one of those A-Mount users who complained about no IBIS in E-Mount. Of course I do not complain anymore becouse NOW there is IBIS for E-Mount which makes this system interesting for me. I like my stabilized STF for example, especially becouse it is “only” T4.5!
I have not placed my order becouse I am waiting for February to see what the A9 will be. After the A9 presentation I will most likely move to A7ii or A9 becouse I like the general idea of this system. Even if they present a great A99ii I will propably buy into E-Mount.
I would like to know how many preorders they have not with the A7ii. I think there are not too many but this is Sony’s marketing fault. Many potential buyers have invested into A7, A7r or A7s and don’t like to change the cam after so short time, and the other group (like me) is waiting to see what the A9 will bring to the table.
Well, I did not write “all” of the wailing!
HULK advise: why you switch from one sinking ship to next one?
woow.. That imagestabilation got same microshake as GH4 lense like 14-140mm just awful.
Most Soyn fgts waiting for 5 axis device of pleasure…so never satisfied by camera…