German reviewer Jens Knotte posted that A77II vs A77 buffer test. Just skip to the right minute to skip the German introduction (if you don’t understand it):
1:20 JPG buffer test
3:00 RAW+JPG buffer test
And there is an AF speed too (youtube video here). Go to minute 5:00 to see the AF speed test.
Sony A77II specs, preorders and shipment date:
Sony A77 body in USA at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Sony Store (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Sony A77 with 16-50mm lens at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Sony Store (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Sony A77 body in Europe at Sony Germany, Sony UK, Sony France, Sony IT, ES, NL, BE, AT, CH, PT, NO, SE, FI and Wex UK.
Sony A77 in Asia at Digitalrev.
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Right: A77
Left: A77 II
No Card
ISO 1600
F2.8
Quality ‘Fine’
Thank you for the translation, but I did not find it difficult to figure out what the video poster was talking about. Good demonstration, shows the Mark II is a significant improvement.
A FOUR minute video for something you can write in two sentences or one small table….
And without writing to a card this “test” is near to nonsense…
Watch the second video which is the full version.
This is crazy and impressive, but who really needs this? I had a lot of junk pictures with the A77 when i used the fast continuous shooting mode, so this “improvement” kills my mechanical shutter curtain much earlier and gives me more junky pictures (if only a few are really good)? 🙂
What i’d really like to see is a comparison of the image quality of both cameras.
It’s about catching that one perfect shot when your eye to hand co-ordination would find it impossible.
Blackout gone!!!
Any German folks can translate this Video??? This is the best A77II AF Tracking test so far…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwBZaLwyEP8&src_vid=yTClwQMgtvk&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_2796336093
Never Mind… just noticed that admin already posted this. Still if any German folks can give a summary, it would be nice.
Only watched the first half, but he doesn’t say anything, other than what you can see in the video. Lens, settings, the dog, the speed… 1080p & fullscreen and you do not have to understand what he’s saying, since he shows everything on video.
He just keeps saying that the camera is unbelievable fast, tracking is good and basically that’s it.
there are also some bits about the AF settings. In video you might like slower focus or maybe you want the focus to react slower in order not to jiggle at small movements or when other things than you main subject moves about. and there are settings for those things.
He said, that this feature is not only for video, but also for photo. So you can select the speed of AF reaction als sensitivity. Ans last but not least, the A77II have an auto eye-focus-mode and an intern AF distence limiter.
I remember him showing that in the vid. AF is AF, 1-5 is 1-5 and schnell & langsam are pretty basic words and even if you don’t know them, you can use a dictionary, takes about 10 sec. So once again, you can watch the vid muted.
Edit: Found it, it’s at 11:17
Thank you for sharing this video.. i’m happy to see AF limiter in a77M2 same as the a99, those dog photos seems to be vibrant and sharp with 70-200 2.8
I think it’s worth the upgrade from a77 for sports and wildlife photography
+1 The AF limiter is something I want, the amount of times I miss a shot due to somebody and their head in the way! Of course the tracking is what I really want. 😉 Auto ISO in manual (not shown here) is icing on the cake, very useful and long overdue.
Take my money!
Nice to see the AF limiter setting being demo’d
Now I just need samples at different ISO settings in different situations to see how the noise compares to the a99 (yup, I’m more interested in how it fares against another format instead of the previous model).
As long as ISO6400 is okay, I think I might buy it as a second body when using it on my SAL70400G2.
Admin, do you know if the current vertical grip works for the a77 mk.2?
The grip is the same. They listed the current model number as an accessory on the Sony site and in the marketing.
Thanks for the prompt answer!!
yes it works!
thanks for the prompt answer!!
If you dont already have an a77 this is a great camera to buy.
If you already have one like many of us do there is a much more difficult decision..is the upgrade worth it.
I need to see a lot more evidence before I plpo down my money to upgrade
Will follow closely what comes from the a77 II then! I don’t have the a77, but was thinking about buying an APS-C model instead of using a teleconverter since using a teleconverter on my SAL70400G2 renders it unable of autofocusing and the new AF module comes handy!
Dont pay attention to Barry, he’s a known freak on these forums.
Horses have flies.
Lions have vultures.
Sharks have remoras.
Butts have hemeroids.
And I have you.
Damn straight! You’ve got me too.
My question to you is. what did Barry say that in anyway out of place or freakish?
Maybe I should have payed no attention to your coment.
This is a deranged individual..using multiple screen names .. who thinks by following every one of my comments and making harrassing replies I will stop posting on sar.
It actually has nothing to do with anything I say.
I post here to talk about cameras and will continue to do so.
I promise you Barry, it it more than one individual 😉
More than one person enjoys winding you up.
Why should anyone believe an anonymous nut case with multiple screen names and no opinions of his own.
You’ve been consuming too many narcotic aquatic plants.
Wrong.
Flartiblast is correct.
You’ve made yourself a target due to your foolishness, Barry.
So being a cyberbully is ok because you think your victim deserves it. Its even more ok if you can convince other cyberbullies to gang up on your victim because he deserves it.
I must be foolish because I always thought that kind of behavior was wrong.
And I believe that makes me a lot better than you because I still believe that kind of behavior is very wrong.
Look at yourselves and look at what you have become..a band of bullies!
I hate what you are with a passion and will never back down to your kind!
Your mother called, sock puppet. She wants her iPad back! ;^)
Best C size camera out there …. since you dont have an a77I suggest buy the a77II.
Barry,
Sorry. English is not first language for I. What you mean by plpo?
You to thanks ahead,
Henry
So the summary of all this is ‘at 12fps, the A77 Mk 2 can buffer for twice as long as the a77 Mk 1’ and ‘we don’t know what the time to clear buffer to SDcard time is’ (because they didn’t put a card in!).
If the buffer clear time is the same between the two cameras, then the max number of shots you can take in a minute will be also the same, so, um… damn!
As far as I can tell, the a77ii still uses UHS-1 for data transfer. The fasted SD card I ever saw was a 95MB/s so in a 60s burst, that will be the limiting factor.
Back in the real world, a 3-4s burst before stalling is more useful to some than a 1-2s burst. On my a77, I could get 14 raws in a 12fps burst before it stuttered then it took another 8-10s to fully empty the buffer. So, I had to wait that long before I could fire off another full burst. I expect the a77ii will be able to shoot off several 1s bursts (with pauses inbetween) before stalling. But then there will be a longer delay to get a totally empty buffer again, with more data to dump to the card.
It still sounds good to me though. It’s all about technique and as other posters have suggested, a well time single shot is as good as 36 “spray and pray” missed moments….
What about the new *240MB/s* cards..
should be faster to empty that buffer.
Actually 5 times when it comes to Jpeg. And because of the bionzx processor i suppose it will clear the files faster and that is evident in the comparison video itself where even after the buffer gets full, the mark II shoots 2.5fps vs 1 fps which clearly shows the buffer is getting cleared a lot quicker.
I would like to see a meaningfull shoot out
Iso and noise comparison
Focus speed and tracking comparison.
To test these 2 caneras and only compare what we know by specs is a waste of time and tells us nothing.
Give a77 users a reason to upgrade or confirm there is none.
It isn’t out yet Barry. Give people a chance to get hold of one!
GIVE IT A REST!!!
Je$us Chr1st man!
Sigma has a 46mp foveon C size sensor.
The problem is its on a sigma camera which greatly limits its usabilyity..plus there are still some poo erformance issues.
Sony will probably be producind a ff 54mp stacked sensor A mount camera in 2015.
I would like to suggest that Sony also make something comarable to but better than Sigmas 46mp C size foveon for crop sensor enthusiasts.
APS-C clearly isn’t for you, why haven’t you gone to MF?
I primarily shoot long tele and macro.
Both benefit from the smaller more portable crop system and the increased depth of field….as well as less expensive equipment.
MF is not practical or affordable for me.
Barry,
Just want to tell you……………………..I’m your biggest FAN!!
Greets,
WannabeBarry
Yeah. Damn he’s just so effin cool.
I usually go for the smallest camera I can find when using my long tele as well. Right now I’ve got the Sony 500mm f/4 hooked up to my NEX3 via adapter. It’s so f-ing portable.
If your interest is a small camera with a long lens you might also be interested in the rumored upcoming Nikon p700.
1″ sensor, 24-2000mm equivekent f3.5-8.5 lens.
Possibly to be anounced may 15.
I am still waiting for the Sony version of the new Tamron 150-600 that I preordered.
You’ll need a sharp Sigma lens to use on that 2015 stacked Sony sensor.
Since the pixels are stacked they are actually as large as a 15mp bayer for the 46
Or 18mp bc ayer for the 54mp.
Plus..I do have sharp lenses.
*He makes them himself out of pure diamond*
I thought you said the a77II would be 32 mp too, your sources don´t seem to be very reliable.
Now compare their flash abilities. Which camera has the most 3rd party support for smart radio slaves and alternative strobes? Which camera has availability for native mount off camera cables? Which camera has a flagship flash known for overheating and no smart radio slave control?
My a7R DOES NOT WORK with Phottix Odin, even with the smart Sony adapter. Fires at full power manual on every setting. It’s been reduced to a dumb radio slave.
Will be keeping a77 and a900 for strobe works.
Just what is the advantage brought to us by the new hotshoe? Every false promise could have been accommodated by an improved iISO shoe, or a separate port altogether. Sony didn’t have to F their most loyal users.
Do you enjoy TTL that much?
I’d rather buy a cheap cactus v6 and cheap cactus flashes with built in radio controller for a full manual controlled remote flash.
And how you get HSS with that fine cactus of yours? No, I never use TTL. I enjoy full remote (controls flash power from camera transmitter) manual control from Phottix Odin with HSS.
You’ve gained nothing with the cactus. Those cheap radio slaves have been available for years in native iISO mount… Not to mention plentiful dumb adapters since early 1990’s.
Whoa, do people have to be so hostile? If HSS is what you’re after then yes it doesn’t have one (only up to 1/1000).
But Cactus v6 does have a full remote (controls flash power from camera transmitter) manual control. And it has the real universal hotshoe with only 1 contact in the middle.
It did not have true HSS. But there’s a workaround that can make it work in 1/8000 HSS.
I just got the Photix Odin for Sony to use with my A99 I was told it works with the A99. Interesting it does not work with the A7 which I also have with 3 Sony HVL-F60 flashes
My A7 works fine with Phottix Odin and 3 HVL-F58AMs and 1 HVL-F43AM. TTL, HSS, flash exposure correction, manual, everything.
I like the new hotshoe on the A7r, it means I can use the same radio triggers and manual flashes as I use on my Nikon. So much easier.
What prevented you from sharing with the iISO shoe? An adapter has been available for decades. It’s just a dumb connection. But now I now have to use a much more fragile adapter in order to discover I’ve lost all smart TTL/HSS function? Where is the smart flash system and support from Sony worthy of rivaling our CaNikon friends?
Do you enjoy having a hot shoe that has absolutely no smart third party support for alternative flash or radio slave?
Nice stuff. A-Mount is not dead after all. As an A7 shooter Im glad for you guys. Seems like a capable APS-C flagship.
Now I would really like to see more AF stuff. Maybe a new Laea Adapter for us E’ers soon? Or would it need to be changes for FF? Heres hoping for A99mk2 soon then… 🙂
Which of the four LAEA adapters doesn’t fit your needs?
I have #4, and modified #1, and a manual adapter. The LAEA-1 adapted for full frame is the most satisfying of all with original Maxxum lens line.
How did you modify the LAEA-1 for use with a full frame sensor?
Loosen three screws from the rear baffle, remove it with screws still intact. Bam! Good for full frame.
Vignettes on tele lenses a bit when stopped down. Will be drilling out the core to accommodate that.
All manual focus with the old screw drive lenses. A real pleasure to use being lighter weight than LAEA4, and removable tripod collar. The Maxxum originals are quite small and perfectly matched to the styling of the a7X. Nice to control aperture from camera with full exif intact.
With a7 and a 600mm lens even LA-EA4 has vignetting too , not sure why they did it this way.
Sorry friend. The a77 marks the end of the a mount. The future is in e
lol.
Your no ones friend e -troll. The A-mount is the future. The e-mount is for those who can’t afford a real camera. It’s Sony’s consumer mount, for poverty stricken photographers or amateurs.
They should have of called it the J-mount.
J=junk
The A-Mount is obviously the performance professional oriented mount. The e-mount was clearly designed for novices, amateurs, and those who cannot afford to step-up to a semi-pro camera.
Better try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgiqpIPbkQ0
a77II owns the gh4 in photo quality any day, that camera is only good for video.
sony’s reps are are only bold in what they say. Here is the difference between your Reality and Actuality…
Increase the size of the GH3 image to 24mpix and see how great the image looks then!
Here you are… Sony still lose a lot.
In RAW ffs! Everybody and his dog knows that you don’t shoot hi-ISO jpeg on the A77. All you have highlighted is that the A77 has a crappy jpeg engine, you’re a bit late to the party with that news.
Yea… AlphaGuy,… ‘the A77 has a crappy jpeg engine’.
There is nothing more to be proved.
None of those samples looks good, and besides you’re comparing the old A77.
Panasonic makes cheap VHS tape players.
My inlaws have a Panasonic bread maker…
So, where are we on shutter lag with flash? For me this will be the tipping point
He didn’t insert the sd card.Isn’t it got unlimit buffer as the camera don’t need to save data?