Chuljae Lee posted that Sony A7s silent shutter test video and guess what…it’s really silent! 🙂
This is one of my small dreams come true. Even better than the already very silent leaf shutter of the Sony RX1! There are many conditions were you want this: wedding photography for example. I think it’s one of the best untold A7s features on the web!
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I’ve been trying to convince myself not to buy this camera.
It isn’t easy.
It is really simple do you spend a lot of time shooting north of 6400 ISO, don’t mind the limited choice of native lenses, the relatively low MP count , and the necessity for an external capture device to get 4K out of it.Then this could be the camera for you , if any of its limitations are a deal breaker then its not for you
For me it comes down to EVF placement. I just can’t get around the fact that it is centered SLR style instead of the corner where I prefer. In-body 4K recording would be nice too… still waiting for something else from Sony.
An EVF at corner become very awkward to use when mounting telephoto lens like 70-200 f4.
Different strokes for different folks, I don’t shoot a lot of long lens stuff – maybe 80 or 100 at most. Typically sticking with 25 to 50 or so. I hope they make everyone happy and roll out options suitable for all, my preferences certainly don’t reflect everyone else’s.
Hmm, interesting. After using my NEX-7 for more than a year, I have to say that I’d prefer a centred EVF.
The headline is untrue. The Nikon V1 and J1 are also systems cameras and have a silent shutter mode which works in the same way. In essence, by using an electronic focal plane shutter. The Nikon J1 doesn’t even have a mechanical shutter.
The reason it can be done is both cameras can read the entire sensor in a tolerable time, but both will be prone to “leaning verticals” on moving subjects.
Do you read the headline?
I did read the headline, but it’s now been changed. It originally
read “there is no systems camera as silent as the A7s”. “Systems camera”
has now been changed to “Full Frame” to correct the original error.
In the meantime, perhaps you ought to stop making assumptions and making unwarranted insults on that basis.
You’ve just made the same mistake you accuse others of; making assumptions. I think the insult was more felt by you than made by him.
No I haven’t made the same assumption. It’s clear by inference and context that he’s referring to the “new” headline, whilst I had been referencing a headline clearly mentioning “system camera”, or else why would I have said “is also a system camera” . At the very least it ought to have made kato8 think a little about what I was referring too and the possibility it might have changed.
As for me feeling it was an insult well yes, but then that’s because it was clearly meant as such. A reasonable, neutral response, would have been to have just raised the point that the headline was referring to “full frame” and not “system cameras”, but kato8 chose to post a sarcastic question “Do you read the headline?”.
If I responded in kind, then that’s because it was called for. If I’ve made a mistake, then that’s fine but there’s no excuse for unwarranted sarcasm.
THIS IS MADNESS!!! 🙂
Not so much madness as a deeply felt need to be analytically objective and keep the record straight. As such a psychiatrist might think it a mild neurosis, but falling somewhat short of full clinical insanity. But then I’m just a layman in that dark art.
nb. far better if people didn’t choose to employ rhetorical questions in a sarcastic manner. Also, it helps that corrections made in the headline item were actually noted, but never mind.
Yes, it is completely silent. Also doesn’t appear to affect DR and noise like on many systems, but have only tried it around ISO 3200 and up.
You people say it like a7/r solves the pixel problem and don’t introduce any problems of their own.
” if 12mp’s not enough for you get the a7/r”
Where did I say that?
What the… This was meant for nolivfr’s comment above, don’t know how it ended up below your post.
You must be trying to compete with Shitmael for the most consistantly inaccurate statments on the board, and doing a great job. First runner up.
I find discus not only putting comments in the wrong places but deleting them as well. There should be a post below asking me why I replied like this and an answer of mine saying I didn’t do it.
And look at Stan’s reply to me below, it was obviously meant for somebody else.
Alright I just replied to you saying this is system error but I refreshed a few minutes later and it disappeared.
Two replies already disappeared under this post, now this is the third.
Discus has gone nuts.
Alright I refreshed after deleting the comment number and the comments below are there. So it’s just posts replies under the wrong posts but doesn’t delete them… Still
Not really sure what admin expected ‘really is silent’… well kind of derr.
12MP is too low for professional work. Price is higher than market expectation.
If you don’t like the specs, then this camera is not for you, A7/A7r is for you.
Really? How often do you print at more than 12mp? It could be perfect for wedding photography, given the video functionality, low light performance and silent shutter.
I’m sorry, but unless you only give digital copies to a wedding client, chances are 12mp is enough for most of wedding needs. Besides, no one complains about the D700 and D3 not having enough megapixel for professional work and I don’t recall seeing photo album sizes increase any larger now then it was during D700/D3 time.
Oh and if 12mp is too low, then A7/A7r would fit your needs better
Real Professional not say that !!.
You are not professional.
Your brain is too small for professional work, or even dishwashing for that matter.
don’t show disrespect to dishwashers
Sounds like your IQ is too low for discussion.
Reignman: If you do not know how to participate in a discussion, get some education instead of wasting time here.
Discussion? You made two baseless statements, that’s all.
I’m not sure, but I think my phone’s camera can be that “silence” too… :-/
Do you even read!!!
I did read the headline, but it’s now been altered. It originally read “there is no systems camera as silent as the A7s”. “Systems camera” has now been changed to “Full Frame” to reflect the original error.
In the meantime, perhaps you ought to stop making assumptions and making unwarranted insults on that basis.
Thank you for the clarification, Guest. ^_^
@kato8, sorry if I’ve offended you. Cheers…
Im cool…
Your smartphone is no system camera, think a minute before posting 😉
By the way, they edited the title because of the Lumix, that offer also silent electronic shutter.
You’re right about this, I should have said “I’m not surprised by this feature which it should be there for such camera design.” Hope this sound more polite to most if not all. 🙂
I’m not sure but I think there might be some kind of a trade off. Can’t put my finger on it though…
Gotta hate the crappy pixel count and high price trade-off for this shutter.
Do I?
Then buy the A7r or A7…. this camera is for people that doesn’t care about the pixel count, this is for who wants good quality in low light and/or 4k video
a7：half plastic, AA, slow burst, no pixel count improvement over my NEX-7
a7r: no EFC, noisy shutter, ultra slow burst
both: ugly
That’s why I’m hoping the a8/9 could solve at least half these problems so I could get this body changed.
I’m even willing to overlook all those other problems if a7s had 36mp AA-less and at least a7’s burst rate.
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You know a7r actually has worse colors than NEX-7? So by upgrading I’m actually downgrading the color reproduction, kind of frustrating too.
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And a7r doesn’t seem to have the half- press focus/exposure lock on the shutter, at least on the one I tried
Oh dear… Another NEX-7 user who thinks it is the perfect camera and nothing can be better… Just go and enjoy your camera 🙂
The FFs are taking steps backwards in different aspects, that’s why I’m not switching.
You’re an heretic blasphemer in a temple of integrist religious people here, don’t you see that. If not, well, you will experience that soon, just continue telling truth that most don’t like.
But what concerns NEX-7 and A7R color comparison, i do not agree with you. I ow NEX-7 and have worked with A7R and the color depth and dynamic are much better on A7R. NEX-7 is finer and more detailed, but just a tiny bit, but A7R beats it also in low light ability. The limitation in ISO range for a clean shot to lower than 800 ISO makes NEX-7 restricted in all situation use. It’s picture quality is mind blowing for an APS-C sensor. In basic IQ, A7 does not better, but dynamic and color rendering are better, If you do not see that, you need glasses.
Now, concerning pixel count of A7S, the camera aims video with full sensor readout and there fore you take in account the lower stills resolution that is sacrificed tot he profit of grabbing more light by bigger in size pixels. On a downsized album shot of 9 x 13 cm you will not see much difference, but with pixel peeping at full size view, the difference is quiet big. Anyway, you can’t have it all, what you gain on one side, you lose on the other. A 36mpix sensor with clean 24000 ISO was, in my sight a real revolution, what Sony has done with A7S is just a normal physical rules play. In some way, nothing new at the West. But, as always, keep waiting for what you want and think you need. For others, this is it and it will make them happy, some others again will discover a deception. But, that is what life is all about.
LOL you’re probably right…
You’ve seen DxO’s color comparison haven’t you? NEX-7 is among the most accurate while a7R is way off, somewhere near the D800 range sharing the same sensor. I’m not saying color accuracy translates directly to…say saturation, but I’ve tried the a7r on two occasions using a Contax 50/1.4, Voigtlander Skopagon 40/2 and a modified Schneider Cinelux Premiere 85/1.7, the Skopagon was quite dull and its colors have a sort of baby blue shade to it in the first place, but the rest two both have pretty good colors, with the Cinelux especially vibrant, but not too bright like a modern Canon tends to be. Under overcast conditions, all three could give saturated colors (the Skopagon needs even more clouds or shade, probably a coating problem due to age) on the NEX-7, but all of them seem sort of dull and gray on the a7R.
This doesn’t show much under warm studio lights though.
Personally I think NEX-7’s ISO1600 is usable as long as you get a proper exposure, an underexposed ISO1600 would be very hard to use. But I’m not saying that the NEX-7’s sensor has any advantage over the a7R’s except for the color. a7R’s problem is, as I said, the noisy shutter and slow handling(burst and preview/magnification). And I haven’t handled an a7 before, I can’t comment on its performance other than obvious problems from the specs but since it is FF I believe that you’re right on the DR and high ISO performance.
I rarely print and mostly handle digital, and almost all my lenses are manual, so at least a higher pixel count helps me achieve more accurate focus using peaking and focus magnification. And I could really use at least 24MP or better 36MP in case I need cropping space. I could take a 24MP FF, AA-less with 8+ burst, EFC and EVF without the hump too…
It comes down to something about life again, you sure are the philosopher!
Use Sony’s raw converter. .. dxo’s colour measurements would be moot.
I used Adobe’s, and dxo used its own, if the raw converter is the cause them maybe only Sony’s own is usable. That’s as much fuss as dealing with x3 files.
It’s no secret that Adobe’s converters are rather crappy. And it’s no surprise that a manufacturer knows how to convert their raw files right.
“””You know a7r actually has worse colors than NEX-7? So by upgrading
I’m actually downgrading the color reproduction, kind of frustrating
too.””
Nope , we don’t know that you may erroneously think that , however actual test show no such thing, minor differences in default output that can be easily tweaked in camera or post. The A7r sensor is not surprisingly better than the NEX 7 in every single way, including color depth
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-A7R-versus-Sony-NEX-7___917_736
A7r color review
http://www.imaging-resource.com/camera-reviews/sony/a7r/sony-a7rA5.HTM
Nex 7 color review
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX7/NEX7A5.HTM
Dxo’s color reproduction test, go look.
Refer to my post below for conclusions.
ROFL a7r has worse colours than the nex7? That aps-c sensor is the worst aps-c sensor sony released in the last so many years.
You should shoot raw.
Is there a reason to NOT use this all the time? I mean, does it affect iq or other performance?
Yes it can. Plus there can be rolling shutter issues.
Yes and yes it can effect IQ sometimes.
Full electronic shutters suffers from rolling shutter artefacts, making it virtually unusable with moving subjects, or with a long lens. With the GH3 It also does not work with a flash, and cannot be used with high ISO or a very slow shutter speed.
Yes but that is the GH3. The A7S is different from what I have seen, though still affected by rolling shutter.
The only way that flash will work with the A7S in electronic shutter mode is if there’s an HSS mode which will work with what is essentially a focal plane shutter with a very slow traverse rate (perhaps 1/30th sec vs 1/200th or so on a mechanical shutter). That means the number of “micro-flashes” will have to be proportionally higher which means, in turn, they will each be less powerful than even “standard” HSS. That’s assuming that there are flash guns available which will actually support the required rate.
However, I’d question the need for electronic flash with electronic shutter as the latter is surely most valued for being unintrusive, something which flash certainly is not. In general, I don’t see any lack of flash with a silent shutter being of great practical importance.
The leaning verticals/rolling shutter artefact (which exists on all focal plane shutters, albeit only at higher speed) is another matter. That’s all down to how quickly the “virtual shutter slit” travels up the sensor.
Also in artificial lighting and faster shutter speeds you will see banding due to the frequency of the electric system (lights turn on and off 100/120 times per second). But that is essentially rolling shutter again.
That’s there for mechanical shutters as well as for film cameras too!
And no, AC lights flicker at 50/60 times a second. Voltage is 100-120 (in the US, etc.)
In the future double check facts first… you’re already on the internet… a search engine is just a browser tab away.
50/60Hz means 50/60 periods of the sine function and thus 2*50/60=100/120 extrema which mean bright and two roots of the sine function which means dark…. Kind of sad to read such a harsh advice if the other party doesn’t even bother itself……
Still thank you for the information about the mechanical shutter. I had always read that this is a problem of the ES caused by the rolling shutter (different parts will be exposed and read when the lamps are in different phases, but long shutter speeds will average over time and thus exhibt less or no banding).
I stand corrected then. Yes, longer shutter speeds average things out.
In my defense, it’s only when using shutter speeds faster than 1/60 or so that I see AC light patterns. But thanks for pointing out the sine thing. Will look in to it more.
Do you mean with the mechanical shutter? As I wrote, I didn’t know about banding with it, but that doesn’t mean a thing. I believe you when you say you have experienced it.
I personally hope that either Sony or Panasonic will develop a global shutter CMOS sooner than later, because it would have great benefits for all.
Yes with mechanical shutter on other cameras.
Global shutter would be very nice
if it’s indoors, shutterspeeds are usually long anyway, so it’s solved by using shutterspeed to multiple of 1/120 or 1/100 of second.
FOCAL PLANE SHUTTER DOES ROLL, TOO
Geez, why is everyone that aggressive???
OKAY, THANK YOU!
PS: I know that they roll, but that rolling does not take 0.1s!
hahahah very cool ! i like it 🙂
remove the viewfinder and give me one for less $ with good 35-70 2.8 (no blue logo, please) !
thank you !
35-70mm f2.8 would be awesome! Have been saying this for ages, 2x f2.8 zooms rather than 3x!
Where does 70 leave you? 85 would be much more useful. Or push it up a stop. And shorten it down to 50. Gives you the most used two focal lengths ever, even with usable bokeh.
No. I am saying they should do 20-35mm f2.8 + 35-70mm f2.8 + 70-140mm f2.8. Where does 70mm leave you? Where does any individual FL leave you? That’s why I shoot primes, I just use the FLs I need. Topping out at 70mm would be the same as any other ‘normal’ zoom.
…since normal zooms usually start at 24 or 28, but you don’t insist on having the wide end the same as other normal zooms, then why have the long end the same as other normal zooms?
Even as a set not every focal length has to be available. I think a 14-28/2.8, 35-85/2.8, 100-210/2.8 set of zoom would be much more useful than what you’re suggesting.
Or 14-28/2.8, 35-50/2, 85-180/2.8.
Nah, better for you maybe.
Yeah, it’s just that 35-70 seems like a rangefinder compromise. The Contax G 35-70 was made like that because they absolutely had to keep the package small. 70 is in the middle of nowhere.
Not really. 35 and 70 are just wide of ‘normal’ and longer than ‘normal’. The 70-135mm would suit the portrait use you are after.
I still prefer to have the option of somewhere around 200 sometimes, while anything between 50 and 85 is quite useless to me.
Exactly. This is why you use primes. There is nothing useful between say 35 and 50, 50 and 85, 24 and 35 etc. Primes are smaller, sharper, faster.
To my understanding, zooms are essentially to give you multiple primes that don’t need changing, IQ and speed does suffer though.
So what happens when one end of the zoom range is stuck between the focal length of two primes…
Sort of true, but with short range zooms you end up with ‘no mans land’ FLs, so often there is no advantage to a zoom. Take for example 24-70mm, a very popular zoom, for me I shoot primes usually at 20mm/35mm/85mm… see how many FL’s of mine are in that range? There is nothing particularly useful in a zoom to me, the gaps between focal lengths I would use in primes are around using them for different ‘types’ of shot, so the need to ‘zoom’ is rare, I am usually shooting one style of shot or another. Add to this zooms are typically slower, larger and more expensive then it all becomes a bit of a waste… But some swear by their zooms.
One zoom for a( usually a maximum of two) propose I guess, 24-70s and 70-200s are always useful in events, and perspective may not matter so much in events I guess. 70?85? Who’d know? Loss of bokeh is also mostly negated since events need more DoF to tell the story. But in carefully composed portraits it could still show…
Real Leica zooms( as opposed to Minoltas with the dot, and of course Panasonics with the dot) are especially worth the money I think, since quality is usually guaranteed and one zoom really could be substitute to a number of primes.
I use the minolta 35-70/f4 as a small, lightweight walkabout alternative to my 24-70 when I’m feeling lazy. The range is useable.
Agree. People were using 35-70mm for years. 24-50mm is also a good possibility.
Agreed. 35-70 looks more and more useful to me lately, as I strongly believe in shorter zooms, rather than half-baked bigger ones. Both Leica and Contax have excellent offerings in that range, which strike me as great value for the e-mount system.
I have a kit lens that stops at 70 at the long end too, the perspective just feels weird.
Whatever feels right to your aesthetic sensibilities is right for you.
70mm is probably one of the most popular focal lengths since 24-70 and 70-200 lenses are prolific.
Probably because it just happened that way, if these lenses used 75 as an end then it would be 75 that’s most popular. People use it because the actual focal length they want to use is out of range.
Bokeh is not the same as shallow DOF. The first is a quality, the second is the quantity. ..
Of the many modern lenses released and tested lately I’ve never seen one with weird and particularly harsh bokeh, the conclusion was always something from neutral to good. Modern designers have the resources to put emphasis on this, it’s usually fine…
I don’t think mirrorless, less $, and good 2.8 will be a reality any time soon…
The 35/2.8 is very good. The 55/1.8 which is also excellent has an option to shoot at f/2.8 if I’ve not mistaken ;D
You missed the part about less $ 😀
Unless you’re going for two primes, a constant f/2.8 premium zoom would be more costly.
Can the AF sound be turned off as well? As there seems little point of the silent shutter if you still get the beep.
Of course. Can already be turned off.
Now to the important stuff: What is the flash x-sync on that camera? Does the silent shutter increases the x-sync?
Flash won’t fire on electronic shutter mode.
Really? That is bad news. I was hoping for a new Nikon D40. So i still have to stick to my RX1.
D40 is CCD, CCD is global shutter…
What? I thought only dual layer CCDs with really low yield could use a global shutter?
D40 is “dual layer” — interline transfer CCD. Most of other CCD still cameras use full frame CCD.
Frankly, I can’t think of any situation that requires you to be absolutely silent while allowing you to use a flash…
It is quite hard to imagine a situation, which would require a flash with silent shutter. Maybe @Wintermute can shed some light on possible uses?
Of course. No focal-plane shutter usually means unlimited x-sync.
And unlimited sync means that you don’t need as much flash-power when you compete with the sun.
And that means, the 4000 $ Profoto generators can stay at home, cheap flashguns are sufficient.
Just to clarify: I don’t mind the noise. I’m just interested in syncing my flashes at high speed.
Photographing Stevie Wonder in his studio…… Seriously though, outdoor music event photography, think fill-flash, think your the paid professional!
Can a firmware update (in theory) bring this feature to the a7(r)? I mean, it’s not limited by hardware right?
No. It is hardware.
Nobody is selling as many Sony cameras and lenses as this website. Sony could learn a lot from you, Andrea. Respect.
I just can’t wait to use it! My understanding is it won’t be a practical solution for every situation, but it’s kinda sexy nevertheless…
It’s quite eerie actually, but it’s very cool.
Yeah imagine if this were a film camera…
I hope we can disable that AF confirm sound, it kills the purpose of a silent shutter.
AF sound is basic to disable in menu
Great, so very silent shooting is possible.
I want it !
Have you used anything other than a phone camera?
Why ?
I just don’t get why the guy didn’t disable that sound for the purpose of demonstrating a silent shutter.
I always disable it on my Fuji X-E1 and X10.
is this global shutter?
No.
no, it isnt…apparently.
Well that’s fancy. How about getting that into your A7R. On another note- now that the RX2 is pretty much certain to use Sony’s new curved sensor- well, I’ll wait on that for low light photography. It looks like it’ll be a killer.
The question is, if the shutter mode is on silent.. Would the shutter be counted in shutter actuations ? :/
After few months on ebay ..
For sale is a Sony A7S with shutter actuations of 3000 with 1000 silent ones :/
Now that’s silly
HAHA!
I can see if like this on the file numbering 0001, 0002, 0003, … 0567, 0568…3567, 3568…etc
and s0001, s0002, s0003….
File names are the same regardless.
lol surely you don’t think the shots taken in the silent mode don’t get saved? 😀
Now that would be the kicker…silent mode shooting means you don’t save the photo…actually, the photo never existed to begin with.
Or it appears on someone else’s card in a parallel universe
I have posted some first impressions and RAW files in this thread on DPR:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3685321
Are there any jpg from the camera, I can not edit the raw’s.
Iridient Developer can. If you read the thread I explain a lot in there, the JPEGs aren’t very good IMO. I will probably post up some 1:1 screen grabs shortly.
Jpg’s interest me because they give me an idea how the 4K will look.
I have no doubt that raw’s are excellent.
abortabort is not allowed to post anything that might be preceived as negative about the camera.
That guy in the video needs to learn not to stab the shutter release when taking a photo. I hope the people that were complaining about the shutter vibration on the a7r have a technique like his…I mean, any camera would have a shutter vibration issue if they stab the shutter release.
What do you mean?
Press steadily down and hold during the exposure.
He did not care about the pictures… only about the sound… Why would you care about the picture if you only want to demonstrate the shutter sound?
My full frame Leica is quieter.
No it isn’t.
Yes it is.
You got exactly 4 seconds into the video before posting this, watch it again. Your Leica isn’t ‘soundless’…
His Leica makes click, and this A7S makes bip. Come one people, stop fighting for that. Now, do not come and say that he can not disable the click. No mister nice guy anymore.
The ‘bip’ is the AF acquisition sound, not the shutter. This can be turned off and when used in MF like a Leica also makes no sound.
The video purports to demonstrate that the Sony 7s is the most silent full frame camera there is, and then goes on to show that it isn’t. It makes no mention about turning off the beep.
Well I have shot it with ‘bip’ off (which can be turned off and usually is on all these cameras) and it is completely silent – Not ‘quiet’ but no sound.
The Copal shutters in my view camera lenses are even quieter than my Leica.
The “Beep” can be turned off on absolutely all cameras, from all camera makers. Any advanced camera user knows this. It perplexes me that you have a Leica and don’t know of such a basic option. All cameras have had an option to turn off focus confirmation sound since the early days. Must have gone for the Leica just because of the brand name….
Uhhh copals come in several sizes… they’re not quiet.
Quietest mechanical shutter is in the Fuji/Voigtlander GF670W/Bessa III 667 Wide. It’s so quiet that there’s a LED near the eye piece that goes off or else the photographer wouldn’t know if the shot was taken.
Turning beef sound off is basic knowledge of digital camera. This can prove the idiots buy Leica.(I don’t mean all Leica users are idiots.)
The beep is not the shutter sound – two different things.
As I said the the guy who made the same comment as you, they wanted to show the difference in the shutter sound compared to a common sound floor (the focus lock sound). If you are honest about yourself and the comments you make, you would not make a big deal out of this. If you want to show that world that you’re a moron, congratulations. Mission accomplished.
It’s common sense… you should look in to what that is? 🙂
Completely idiotic and non sequitur. Typical Shitmael post.
You realize that the focus lock sound was kept on on purpose so that you can compare the noise made by the mechanical shutter versus the electronic shutter. It’s there for comparative purposes – as people have said, it can (and is almost always) turned off by most users. And since when have been nice? You’ve always come across as clueless dolt.
I didn’t say my Leica was soundless. But in that video, the Sony 7s is MUCH noiser than my Leica.
That’s because your Leica has no AF confirmation, this can (and should) be turned off.
An idiot troll is an idiot troll. Go and post your own video to proof your point with your Leica.
Not really, you just have a hearing loss in addition to your reduced mental capacity.
He obviously doesn’t even own any proper camera, let alone a Leica.
your full frame leica is awesome !
HaHa. Talking to yourself again? Do you call yourself on your mobile too?
I see that many people already replied to you, nemo295. But I’m not sure if everything sank in, so I’ll give it one last try. Watch the ENTIRE video. You hear a *beep* (which is the autofocus acquisition sound and can be turned off), followed by a *slap* (which is the shutter sound when the camera takes a picture). Now keep watching. The guy goes into the menu and turns it to “silent shutter mode”. From then on, you keep hearing the *beep* (which, again, can be turned off and is NOT the shutter sound), but the actual taking of the picture is silent. This is undoubtedly quieter than any Leica.
Or as slow focusing :p
Not like the A800 is a speed demon, so you should be used to it.
there’s no FF with fewer lenses available for it.
There is no FF with more lenses for it.
Really not the message you want to be sending Sony. While you’re on were also good for flashes.
The problems with that are that by mounting lenses from other systems on adapters you mostly lose AF or get very impaired AF using canon lenses
Apart from a few RF lenses [ choice is both limited in range and effectiveness on A7/R} which are compact in size, with most FF lenses you remove much of the advantage of these cameras namely size /weight.
I used to say the same thing when I used only the Nex 5 and 5R. On the a7r my favourite lens is the canon 35/2 IS although I had (and sold) the compact ZE 35/2.8.
The bigger grip makes it easier to handle larger lenses than before. Also you must think it’s silly for people to use big long teles (e.g. 400/2.8, 500/4, 600/4, 800/5.6, etc.) on DSLRs… the lens to body proportions are much worse compared to typical lenses people put on their mirrorless 🙂
Nice! I hope we see this in all future models. A full frame, silent, hump-less A7 will likely be my next camera.
Sadly it’s probably not going to happen in the near future. It’s a feature almost as useful as IBIS.
Not necessarily. I’m left eye dominant. I’d prefer a NEX7 type of configuration, where my nose presses against the LCD screen, rather than pushes buttons. Kind of like what I do sometimes on my A65.
I concur.
HELL YES!!!!
I just want a weather proof NEX-7 replacement in FE MOUNT that retains the viewfinder position.
Left eye shooters unite!
IBIS is a dead end, another mechanical nonsense that unlikely has any future.
On the contrary I think it’s just a matter of time before it’s implemented. If it works for a sensor 1/4 the size in mirrorless or FF in a bigger body, there’s no reason for it not to eventually work for a FF mirrorless.
Very nice!
Andrea, I expect you to hunt for a comparison shootout between silent shutter and normal shutter! Check if the DR is lower or if there is extreme rolling shutter and so on.
And we all expect you to hunt for it and provide Andrea with the link for all of us to see.
Seriously, what a disrespectful thing to say. Do you sign Andrea’s paychecks to push forward these kind of demands?!
He made us curious with this video 😉 So he should feed us information 😀 The video does not deliver anything on new information… That the silent shutter feature would produce no noise is not a surprise… We want to know what the downsides are!
Sure, we do, but that doesn’t mean the research cannot be done by yourself. Google is your best friend…
He chooses to host this website and we choose to read his posts. Neither of that means that he owes us more information.
He owes us nothing… But he gets tons of information and I just told him to not skip that piece of the cake but report it 😉 I am sorry if my first post sounded demanding.
Actually it’s just like capture a frame from the 4k picture, it can do 4K 30fps output, of cos it can freeze any frame u want.
4k is a 8mpix crop of the 12 mpix sensor, and with reduced bitness (10 bit per pixel max in video vs 14 bits for photo). It is probably still crappy 10 bits with electronic shutter, but full sensor will take 1/20s.
Shh lets keep it quiet
Can someone explain to me why this is any more amazing than my cell phone’s silent shutter? I am serious.
If you have to ask, you don’t need to know.
It isn’t because it’s still not good enough to replace the mechanical shutter.
One day global shutter will compete with mechanical shutter.
The issue here is it is a Rolling Shutter, not a global one. The processing power is not quick enough to scan the entire full frame quick enough. A global shutter fixes this but the computational power needed is a lot greater. More than these small cameras will be able to do for a while yet.
At least it better when manufacturers give us a choice. There are a lot of scenes (think timelapse) when rolling shutter is acceptable.
Yes, a firmware option would be nice and wouldn’t add much to the costs.
I think electronic shutter works well maybe till 1/150?? If You force it over 1/200 I expect serious jello effect. It is not a problem for static scene but for dynamic objects it wiill be quite awful.
Electronic shutters are crap.
Whats the max shutter speed the camera allows when using electronic shutter?
I remember the D4 having a fully silent shutter as well.
Yes at 2.5MP resolution.
There you go
So it is useless.
Well, if 2.5MP are enough in certain situations it might be useful to some people. At least Nikon gives you the option.
No if it did I still have it and not interested this much in sonys.
So you were wrong… as you admitted below
Remarkable to call a shutter ‘silent’ when there is this stringent shrill focus confirm beep 🙂
On the other hand, it would be good to know in what range of exposure time the e-shutter works well. – And we’re still waiting for a global shutter don’t we.
You can always switch the sounds off.
I know 🙂 – I just found it funny
Silent (electronic) shutter will be good only for static objects:
GH4 is the best in this regard
Completely agree… it’s made for holiday videos. Bet it also has a “plane window” mode 😉
Well, nowadays with these cheap plastic props, when the plane’s out all day in the sun on the black tarmac, it can happen! Back when I was young, props were made out of good solid wood, and you’d never see that kind of thing, silent shutter or not.
http://youtu.be/ecV7oo68vAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKF6nFzpHBU
See, that’s what I mean. No quality these days anymore. Look at how these cheap plastic propellers literally fall into pieces in that video! Lucky nobody got hurt.
“Silent (electronic) shutter will be good only for static objects:”
Not even for static in a flickering electrical light.
Great, I cannot wait it , I will get it on July 17th.
Already over this low res toy. Bring on the RX2. I’ll take that curved sensor and superb 35mm 1.8 any day now. Bet it performs up to par…if not better than this in ISO.
Is Nikon d4 16mp a low pix toy?
Yes it is. An overpriced one. Its about exciting as a lit bag of garbage in terms of IQ.
“There are many conditions were you want this: wedding photography for example.”
Do you really want rolling shutter artifacts on your wedding pictures?
What is the point of having a silent camera when you have the beep-function turned on 🙂
Many set unit photographers are moving to this camera from the Canon 5D Mark lll. There is no need to use camera blimps. I sure hope that beeping can be shut off too.