DEO Techart launched a special teaser site (Click here) for their new Canon EF to Sony E-mount adapter. UPDATE: We have been notified that this adapter will NOT have a translucent mirror. because of development reasons the translucent version release has been delayed til next year.
That non.translucent version called “Saker Falcon lite” will be announced in August. A first picture of the adapter has been published by SAR few weeks ago (see below). Deo Techart already sells plenty of other [shoplink 38676 ebay]Sony adapters on eBay (Click here)[/shoplink]. Including the unique [shoplink 38677 ebay]Contax G autofocus E-mount adapter (Click here)[/shoplink].
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It’s happening.
Lol. They were probably really shocked when they found out that Sony has already solved all that with on sensor PDAF. If the next E-mount cameras also come with that capability, this is already obsolete before it’s even on the shelves.
at $3200 for a7rm2, it’s not obsolete yet. maybe soon users will start dump older a7 bodies and they will be below $1k yet a7rm2 will be still costly.
They’re already well below 1k. I’d like to see the A7II at the 1100.00 dollar mark. Soon enough, but not sure if I’m interested anymore. If they come out with the A7SII and the same 300 PDAF points as the A7R. Well, who could resist?
Interesting thing though, here in Serbia, still no A7 to find second hand.
A-mount bodies are flooding the market. Newer DSLRs also. Dont know if the reason is that the people dont want to sell it, or that only few people bought it at all.
Sony pumped out a lot of A mount bodies back in the day. I’m not suprised if they’re flooding the market. To bad for you guys, the A7 is dirt cheap over here now in the USA. Personally, I wish I never bought it. It’s not that I don’t like it- but I’d have prefered an A99 or A7II.
>solved all that with on sensor PDAF
You know the difference between OSPDAF and dedicated module PDAF, don’t you?
Yes, eventually OSPDAF will be better. — probably if we combine canon’s dual pixel af with sony’s bsi sensors.
Some time ago, someone said, it’s happening.
Someone claimed this will never happen.
And I remember those persons.
I think the main counter claim was that Sony would never provide a translucent adapter for Canon glass. And indeed, this isn’t made by Sony.
Seems like you remember that too 🙂
It was both topics, will it ever happen and will Sony do this.
But to be honest – Sony did already, with A7Rii that is capable of working properly with ANY 3rd party adapter with just electronic connectors.
The suggestion was that Sony license the tech OR make it .
And the critisizm to that suggestion was massive and immeadiate!!!!
Now you want to pretend otherwise?
I stood behind my suggestion despite years of almost exclisively negative critisizm….now you want to deny the critisizm.
Same for e mount ibis, dslr compatable pd sensors, higher resolution cameras, and bsi sensors.
Barry, can you tells us what your predictions are for the next few years please. Seems like you are on a roll here at guessing future technologies.
I just did…see my response to LitttleCam for
78mp bsi 12,500 native iso sensor…camera optimized for still pictures
And 300-600 f5 macro with 150mm barrell extender and drop in dedicated 1.8x tc….to sell for mid $3000 range.
To be fair, there wasn’t anything stopping a third party releasing an adapter. The problem would be if Sony got officially involved -Canon would sue their arse off for patent infringement
Barry, it’s because you make so many guesses some of them eventually go correct. There are many your guesses which didn’t come correct.
Your comment is partly correct and partly incorrect.
I suggest many inovations as you said, many of which do not and should not happen..often because other inovations suppercede them making them not practical.
But there have been several core comments that I have been repeating over and over again for years..not just once or twice..these are the ones…all of them except the foveon like sensor…that are currently happening.
They are
Higher resolution
IBIS on E mount
Full autofocus compatability/universal camera
BSI sensor for ff
And SLT adapter for Canikon if they cannot implement the on sensor solution.
And next 78mp bsi optimized for still pictures
And 150-600mm f 5 macro as earlier described.
These are the next suggestions I will be repeating often. Because these are the ones I think are important.
You deserve credit in noticing that Sony can distance themselves from any legal issues by allowing third parties to produce adapters without exposing themselves to litigation over IP issues. As such, it’s a clever approach.
It was me who suggested this for a long time now.
I would guess that Sony actually licenses the tech because it is in thier best interest that someone make this, but also in thier best interest that Sony themselves not be the one to do so.
I now suggest for next round of improvements…78mp bsi sensors, native 12,500 iso.
And 300-600mm f5 lens with 150mm barrel extender for close up/macro plus drop in dedicated 1.8x tc.
What lens are you using right now for wildlife?
I own the Tamron 150-600.
I currently use that ,
Tamron 60mm macro f2…for apsc
Tamron 180 macro
That I use most often.
I got the new E mount 90mm macro but do not yet have an E mount camera to use it on.
I have lots of other stuff but use these the most.
My Bigma got left behind on thos last trip.
I currently use the a77ii but have preordered the a7rii.
I rented and used the Canon 5dsr and Sigma 150-600 sport for Canon, and Sigma 150mm macro for Canon on this trip.
I will be driving home all nite and will talk about what I like and dont like abought the Canon when I return…overall however I do not like it and will not be buying it.
I actually returned the rental ahead of schedule and completed my shooting with my own equipment.
So what do you recommend? I do some birding. I use to use the minolta 500mm reflex. Then I switched to a Tokina ATX pro 300mm F4. First one was so so…second one- not enough reach. I’m not really looking to spend more that 1500 tops. I have an A77II.
If you want to use it on your a77ii there is only one option..the Tamron 150-600.
The quality is very goo except slightly soft at 600mm f6.3…but easily resolved by either stopping down to f8 or backing off to a slightly shorter focal length.
There are currently no tcs tavailable that will autofocus and have any kond of quality.
Only the Kenko 1.4x will autofocus but the guality is so bad that crpping the 600mm image will yield better resolution than using this tc.
If you get the a7rii then you will have more options.
I figured. I have a Kenko 2x and it’s garbage.
When I read ‘translucent adapter’ I imagine the adapter to be.. translucent. That would leak light pretty badly and ruin the photo – so that probably isn’t it ;D
:)))
A really serious amount of development must have gone into that thing. Presumably they had to reverse-engineer the LA-EA4 to camera protocol and map it to the Canon EF protocol such that it’s presented to the camera in the same way an E-Mount lens would appear. Then there’s the little matter of the PAF module itself.
Of course, if Sony continue to make strides with on-sensor PAF and put it on all new E-Mount cameras, the market for such an adapter will fade away.
What if Sony actually endorsed Techart? :-))
PAF module itself is a small camera… I wonder if Techart starts making E-mount bodies if they are ready for beging illegal 🙂
I believe there’s a fairly permissive regime for licensing e-mount along with receiving technical information. However, the terms on how it’s done, and the extent of technical information passed to licensees is not openly published, so I’m not sure to what extent this is supported by Sony.
However, it might not be surprising if Sony is giving tacit support to such ventures. After all, it doesn’t compete with any Sony products and, as a way of encouraging individuals to migrate from Canon to Sony, they have a lot to gain. (I don’t buy the argument that it competes with Sony’s lens business as I doubt many people will buy Canon lenses if there’s a satisfactory native E-mount alternative).
It’s notable that Sony do no produce their own e-Mount adapters for any non-Sony mounts and this might well be because they do not want to be a target for any Canon litigation should issues involving intellectual property rights appear. This “arms-length” approach might well suit Sony. Given that this adapter will require an SLT mirror and a PAF module, then it would also not surprise me if Sony actually sold these very components to this company.
I can’t access the linked site from where I currently am – but I am assuming that the “lite” version won’t have AF-C? Or are they claiming AF-C for the “lite” version too?
I see no technical reason why newer Canon lenses with USM/STM couldn’t be made to behave just like native E-mount lenses – USM/STM allows for quite fine control, and the Canon EF protocol has provisions for single-stepping, “turn N steps”, and “reduce focus speed” (the latter is important for fine-tuning). https://pickandplace.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/canon-ef-s-protocol-and-electronic-follow-focus/
The impression I get is that while the LA-EA1/3 only support SSM lenses (electronic focus drive), they “cripple” the body/lens communication significantly to the point where it’s driven in the same manner as a screwdrive lens would be – there may only be “turn forwards” and “turn back” commands. If you look at the documentation for Metabone’s “green” vs. “advanced” modes – apparently the EA1/3 adapters do NOT support reporting the current focus position of the lens. (Since this is not supported in “green” mode on the MB and “green” mode emulates an EA1/EA3 instead of a native lens.)
Emulating a translucent adapter would probably be easier. They would not have to make the unit behave like a native E-mount lens – they would only have to make it behave like an EA2/4.
I don’t think if Sony just published protocol, if would be a target for Canon litigation — it’s just third parties using Sony’s protocol and reverse engineering Canon protocol on their own. But having protocol published for SLT adapters would make 3rd party adapters appear quicker and cheaper.
that was my point. Sony can provide their own protocols and let third parties worry about any potential litigation from Canon. As I suspect a lot of those companies are in China or Korea and largely beyond the reach of Japanese law, it’s a neat trick.
The question is, did Sony really provide their protocol?
The market is all the current E-mount cameras, so it’s already pretty large. It’ll only shrink when the cheaper A7 versions get the PDAF improvements, so probably not until the A7 III.
So in another words, another year? I kind of feel bad for these guys. All that money into development for technology that is now considered outdated (bigger, bulkier, slower compared to the a7rII on sensor PDAF).
not the world’s first
I have to wonder if this will be faster than the a7rii with sinple adapter or not…certainly good for other E mount cameras, since sony lense have oss.
I doubt it, given Sony’s r&d budget for ospdaf…
Obviosly, I think this is a good idea.
If the recent 3d pd sensor/ 4 layer stacked bsi sensor is implemented AF will be magnitudes higher speed than any current AF system…incuding dslr and slt.
This is the post SAR recently called a 2 layer sensor, I described in detail how that patent is substantially more than just what is mentioned in that description.
So, you take E-Mount bodies and Canon lenses and this adapter thing and get a vague resemblance of a… Sony SLT camera.
Yep, we’re definitely moving forward with E-Mount… Well done Sony.
You do realise this isn’t an official Sony product, don’t you?
Yep. So?
So, no reason to say “well done Sony”. Its more like: “well done DEO Techart”, even though it sounds crappier.
Am I wrong or something?I remember last time,SAR said that translucent adapter is made by Mitakon?
I wonder if that Contax AF adapter works better with the A7RII, that would make the whole Contax G lens line-up a must have, if one wants compactness.
Can we have an adapter for my Sony A mount lenses. I’m just dying to stick them on a Canon 1Dx.
If the price is right I can see a lot of A7/r/s and any other APS-C owners that already work with adapted lenses getting one of those to keep from upgrading for a A7rII
I bought this funky lens on ebay…it’s a Contax Zeiss-Opton 50mm F2. I got this thing for really old crappy lenses. The adapter didn’t come with it. Anyone know what this adapter is on this thing?
It’s a Contax rangefinder mount (Nikon used it “kinda” in thier rangefinder cameras as well). The adapters are expensive, as it’s a pre-war over-engineered German design. The helicoil was actually in the camera body, so the lens itself is just a hunk of metal with the elements. The adapters are expensive because you basically have to take a camera mount from an old camera and cannibalize it. They go from $175-400 at times, there’s a guy in south America that makes them from scratch, and they are damn beautiful (I forget his site + name at the moment), but they are very expensive around $400-500. THOUGH I did find a guy on ebay http://www.ebay.com/usr/kosbik84 from the Ukraine (Kiev RF also use the mount) who makes them, and they work pretty well for $50 out of old camera mounts to E mount + µ4/3. They have no hard stop at infinity, and if you keep going, the lens pops out, but he doesn’t seem to have any in stock. Also: Those Contax RF lenses are fantastic, and not “crappy.”
Thanks for the link! I bought on a wim and then I looked at adapters. Some are outside or inside depending on the bayonett. This one didn’t look like the Contax G type mount so I thought- yeah, this is going to be expensive. Maybe I’ll try the 50 dollar one. 200 would be my max for an adapter.
They’re great lenses… but aren’t coated (so not crappy… but crap-ish?), so on modern digital cameras the contrast is pretty low- but fun to play with and easy to color grade because of lack of contrast.
Oh yeah, the inside + outside mounts: Yeah, the longer lenses use the same mount, but actually wrap around the distance markers/mount. It’s a pretty neat mount engineering wise, considering it’s from the 30’s.
It would be helpful to see the mount…
but if I had to guess, Contax RF.
The CZ 50mm Contax-Kiev mount looks like this
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwQYH14CofX0Sle1KsFba_7ReUGbXQ2YZMkDTcTU6hge4mSYLxf5rDqfpf
Obviously, your lens have a mount Contax/Kiev in one side but I cannot see the back side . Do you have a picture of the mount?
Given the teaser is marked with AF-CON, I’m not sure I believe it as yet.
I think it’s AF-C/ON (as in AF-C ON) – but they could have done a better job of that logo that’s for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1OnaCPVpuU
IN SUMMARY: 1 AF FOR CANON LENS ADAPTED TO A7RII is as fast as canon camera body itself 2 AF adapter for Nikon mount is under test and is coming soon. 3 Thanks to the BSI sensor technology, now the ‘symmetric design’ wide angle lens such as contax G28 appears no more color shift on a7rii , It’s a great news for any wide angle lens designed symmetrically.
” UPDATE: We have been notified that this adapter will
NOT have a translucent mirror. because of development reasons the
translucent version release has been delayed til next year.”
Huh? What made you ever think there was a version of this with a translucent mirror? If you go to their site, they don’t talk about an adapter with a translucent mirror at all. They only indicate that they’re releasing an adapter in August that provides AF-C.
Hey guys, legit question, why do adapters bother with a translucent mirror in an adapter? What’s the point?
What do you mean exactly? The purpose is the same as with laea2 and laea4, to enable phase detection af.
Yes, here you go! I think this adapter is going to be expensive. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7fb9e2c78af92737bcc590231b469446a98c22d040b66c0aa4c654f95d0a4464.jpg
Here is one more….the listing when I bought it said rangefinder. I’ve read the 50’s might use a different adapter. The picture you listed is identical. Need an adapter for the A7. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c7d574468fd1bbc63099841cd9abc911c0d16de3ac91c2a675c3ec4382e3b87d.jpg