A Sony site unintentionally leaked the full Press release including images. The new QX100 and QX10 “lens-style cameras” will be announced tomorrow (September 4) at 16:00 London time (4pm). I will embed the livestream of the Sony presentation on this site. I will also include early reviews and preorder links. UPDATE: Sony asked me to remove the press release as it was posted by mistake by one of their sites. The video of the QX cameras is still public on youtube and I will keep it embedded as this isn’t my video or channel (Source is Mobilegeeks.de).
Interesting for “advanced” photographer: There is a good and a bad news:
The good news is that the QX100 costs $250 less than the Sony RX100MII (here at Amazon). And the QX100 has the same lens and sensor!
The bad news: The QX Lenscamera do not shoot RAW. It’s JPG only!
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Ha, fake rainbow!
yes…and everyone is happy 🙂
Because they are using Sony! Make.Believe.Woot
And I don’t see RAW there.
no RAW. Has been removed I have been told 🙁
Pity. They should have kept it at least in que QX100. That’s a straight no-buy for me.
RX guys didn’t like it? 😉
This I really don’t know. I think they simply thought no one using this on a smartphone would ask for RAW.
Arggh!Sony baffles me. The whole point of the thing is to provide better image quality. Fine, don’t send RAW to the phone, but it’s got a card in it!
If you don’t care about image quality, wouldn’t you just stick with the smartphone, or at least the small QX? Why are camera companies so insistent that nobody wants both image quality and small size?!
A perfect solution would be to store RAW in body and transfer a JPG copy to the phone.
No RAW is a deal breaker.
+1
That’s really stupid. I would have ordered one if it had RAW, and since it’s basically the same camera as RX100 II it has to be a software issue only 🙁
Oh well, I guess I can forget everything about this then …
I’m sure a few developers in the Android forum will figure out a way to make it happen. If you don’t mind reading a bit it could be an easy hack.
I think the lack of raw has to do with file size, wifi transmission, performance, etc.
I’m out without raw too. No way I’m paying $500 for a raw-less camera.
Damn it.. i’d have loved this thing with raw and would think about selling my rx100 I, but without raw it’s not even close 🙁
Maybe in this way it’s something for the girlfriend 😀
That’s quite unfortunate. Would be nice to have that for later when get back to a big computer back home.
CWDaly
The QX10 looks more reasonable both size and price wise.
Was thinking about trading my RX100 with th QX100, but boy what a silly idea it was
I wonder if would have been better had they put a fast prime lens on QX100 and kept the size down, closer to QX10 : )
but the camera on your phone is a fixed focal length lens too, so it better be really small for people to buy it
NO RAW?! You must be joking.. OMFG..
Also movie modes have been limited, no 1920 x 1080 or 60p
Video says QX100 has 10x optical zoom (at 1 minute 51 seconds).
No M or S modes? Why all these limitations? I guess someone will have to write an alternative app :).
No Raw – No buy. Simple as that. Epic fail.
i also didnt see the tracking focus
So, does the fact this was leaked a day early mean that you’ll be sharing the remaining big news a day earlier, too? (wink) We SAR readers are a patient bunch, indeed…
On video the Sony DSC – QX100 has 10x optical zoom but elsewhere it’s only 3.6x( f= 10.4-37.1 mm)
Is this a fake video or they just made marketing mistakes ;)?
I think someone at sony used the copy&paste function too often. 🙂
I will buy this one, becuase video has 12 Megapixels. Thats more than 4K 🙂
that 12M is 12Mbps not 12MP
I was very interested in the QX100 for video, but not with those specs (and not for $500). I have an RX100, but really miss having a tilt screen, so the RX100 ii appears to be a better option when I don’t use my NEX-5R.
why i did feel, it is looks like an action camera with larger sensor and better lens…. i could hang it anywhere…
i wish someone built more robust and waterproof case for QX10/100…. so i could also used it as action camera 😀
looking forward for the new action cam 😀
wait…
*lens-sensor Camera Attached to a phone* remember one of the first camera phone? the SE T68i and T300?
no sweep panorama
Ok it is seriously really dumb to not have raw.
If you want raw then get a serious camera. Its a point n shoot for crying out loud.
So its a camera for skinny weird nerds. Can’t identify with that Sony. Put a real man in the commercial please.
Lens says Carl Zeiss, not Zeiss as you’d kind of expect by now…
lol not everyone is a fat bob but indeed most of nerds or geeks are skinny due to the fact they don t take time to eat and prefer to laze than work at office :p? OK i m off wiht my prejudices
Nice video partly taken in Prague. But for me is better solution Lumia 1020 🙂
Hopefully Sony will add RAW support in future firmware update after community uproar 🙂
not a chance. In QX200 but forget firmware upgrade for this thing
The processor isn’t fast enough to record RAW+JPG simultaneously as well as feed wi-fi video. So no, there won’t be a firmware update.
If you want RAW, buy a real camera, or better yet try film, that’s as RAW as it gets.
The more I learn about the QX system the dumber it looks. And with no RAW capability that pretty much puts the last nail in the coffin for me.
Needs a published API.
+1
IT’s Sony, so don’t except open firmware or api 🙂 And if someone found a way to hack the phone, be sure that Sony will quickly release a new firmware to close the hole.
A very successful commercial that convinced me to save more and get a RX100mk2 …. Darn…
0:13 reminds you that it need “take it out”, “sync”, “wait till the lens stick out”, and attach it to your phone” before you can even take a picture
1:19 reminds you that there will be one more thing your “left on table and got taken away by someone”
2:04 reminds you that this gear doesn’t support flash.
it makes a bit more sense when combined with that sony phone. still it does seem to be aimed at those wanting/needing to take pictures without being noticed.
but doesn’t it seem a bit large? or is that just me?
No, it’s not just you. It’s huge.
No RAW !!!
Well, it’s to be hoped they have a better Jpeg engine than they put in the A65/77 otherwise they are in big trouble.
If the Jpeg engine IS better, then it’s also to be hoped that they issue it as a firmware update for the A65/77 ASAP.
So it’s like 10 sec pairing/boot time before I can take the first shot. No, thanks 🙂 The video is kinda silly. It looks more like an action cam and is more useful that way. When attached to a smartphone just plain silly.
BTW who needs RAW/AVCHD on a smartphone? QX is meant for instant sharing. You won’t be able to edit/process RAW on a smartphone anyway – there’s no Lightroom. And even if there were, it won’t have enough processing power for RAW/AVCHD, not to mention that it would probably take 10 mins to transfer 1 image over Wi-Fi.
Funny how they have the same styling as original Minolta Maxxum prime lenses… with the little ridged ring in front.
Wow. I was planning on buying this thing if the software was reasonable open and didn’t suck. I have an RX100, but cell makes more sense for what I do.
Sadly, no RAW and no manual modes means no purchase.
bahahahahahhaha holy crappinesssss!!
mmm bah Sony is doing poor, this is a nonsense, comon sony! canon is beating our balls
start up time: 6.9 seconds. shutter lag: QX100 .21 seconds, QX10 1.2 seconds. One. Point. Two. Seconds! Even if it had RAW, I’m out. Great idea with a horrible implementation. More and more I think the Nokia 1020 or expected 1028 will work best for me. Nikon, put your Aptina 1″ into an HTC to get Sony off their duff and do the same.
Wow. That startup time is WAY too slow. And .2 sec shutter lag is already pushing it, but 1.2 SECONDS?! Why bother?! I could live without RAW for casual smartphone shots, but I absolutely can’t live with that kind of shutter lag.
Also, it looks like you have to tap NFC to pair, which will happen via WiFi, then launch PlayMemories. That seems too cumbersome. I’ve got the NEX 6 and just pairing/launching PlayMemories is NOT a fast endeavor. Granted there’s not NFC to help speed up the wifi pairing (I have to go into smartphone wifi and choose NEX6 network), but I was hoping they’d use NFC to streamline the process even further: Tap = unlock/wake phone + pair + launch app. Maybe in firmware?
I wonder how the viewfinder lag will be. That’s also not a pleasant experience on NEX 6 when using an android phone as the viewfinder.
I know I sound really pessimistic, but I’m actually hopeful that sony has minimized these issues enough to make it usable. This could be a really cool device…time will tell I guess.
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Any news from your supertrusted source regarding new RX models?
Will post rumors after the QX announcements.
No RAW, no party! Sorry Sony, this is a no no from me, someone who would have bought it if it had recorded files in RAW..
Does anyone know what is the lens which is pictured in focus (in the foreground) in the very last image of this post? Really curious what the lens is, it reminds me somewhat of my 500mm Reflex.
its the QX100 on a mini tripod?
Ever tried to edit RAW files on your smart phone or tablet? I have. Even with an iPad RAW is a massive resource hog that quickly eats up storage space. If I have to preview on my iPad I shoot RAW plus jpeg just to avoid using RAW. Not to mention the negative impact the RAW file size has on the user experience when it comes to transferring files by wifi. I suspect the jpeg restriction isn’t Sony trying to be mean as it is a case of them trying to optimize the devices for a range of cell phones and networks.
It would have been nice if they allowed the lens-camera to save a RAW version on the local card, but that introduces a level of complexity beyond what the average user is likely to put up with — or what Sony assumes they will put up with.
damn, the QX100 looks really huge!! the QX10 is a nice size though
Lets put it this way, its not made by Sony, but from other third party brand, what ever u like; its does have a 1″ sensor, 28mm f1.8 3×6 zoom lens, ois, jpeg only, 720p video, usd450, and it does nfc/wifi to fit all ios and Android phone…… Sounds better? Or plp are just comparing to rx100-2?
You have to take into account that the QX100 is kind of huge. I don’t have any problems with the QX10, but for such size and for the weirdness of wearing such a big lens on my phone, I would expect the best. Especially because RAW support is basically free, if they took it out they only did it to protect the innocent and not add unnecessary hassles (and maybe to protect their RX100/2 sales).
That video made me barf alittle
Is there really no RAW support for the QX100 ? I wanted to buy one, but no way without RAW. What was it so hard to shoot RAW + JPEG and only send the JPEG pictures to phone while keeping the RAW pictures on the lens-camera’s memory card ?
What so hard with having no RAW? Many times I shoot RAW+JPEG and maybe only 10% I touch the RAW files.
SONY asked you to remove it? That’s what I’d call “management attention” 🙂
I GOT SO EXCITED I STARTED HYPERVENTILATING AND I ACCIDENTALLY SPUNKED IN MY PANTS!
No RAW. No sale.
Any guess on how many accidental drops that this product can withstand before it breaks?
Lol they updated video ??? the mistake i noticed earlier is nolonger?
What’s all this complaining about “no raw”! Come on people, it’s like if Ferrari announced a city-size toy car and you would complain about the absence of a V10. If you’re racetrack hugging, this isn’t for you, and you should look elsewhere instead of faking being offended.
If you’re raw hugging, this isn’t for you – wait for the next news. Not every food on the table is for you!
Many of u guys failed to see the target audience of this mini camera… I believe it’s targeted to those who wan to have a better iq than their usual camera… And transferring of raw with wifi… Nahhh
They don’t see the target audience because they are guys. When I see all the women here in Asia, in love with their smartphone, I can see a target audience. Or, if you want the girls attention, get one of them things.
My ultimate wet dream would be for a future full frame sensor interchangeable lens version of this that pairs with Google Glass with focus peaking, so it could free up your hand, and deliver top of the line professional quality. I would sell my soul for that!
@JD
I see what you did there 😉
actuality it make sense…. go everywhere even in concerts where dslr is not allowed even nex and digicams … BUT!! low light sensitivity without a backup light or xenon it may be more troublesome
“both the QX100 and QX10 cameras have a shutter release, memory card slot and come with a rechargeable battery.”
http://www.iclarified.com/33369/complete-details-on-sony-qx100-and-qx10-iphonecompatible-lens-attachments-leaked-video
Is that a micro SD slot ?
First the A3000 has no IS, and now the QX100 has no RAW.
Sony: you almost got my money. Try again?
If you want to know why the SmartShot and the RX100 don’t shoot RAW, read this:
http://goo.gl/xRpSh0
That makes no sense as a reason to delete it. According to that logic, the RX100 shouldn’t have raw, except that the article states that even when you shoot raw, lens correction is still applied as they redefine what “raw” is. So a lens corrected raw like in the RX100 is perfectly acceptable for this as well. To market something to enthusiasts and then castrate it like this is crazy.
Sorry about that. I was misinformed. Just wanted to get this info out there.
Only wish battery life would be longer. 220 shots or 25 minutes of video isn’t really going to cut it.
Full frame E-mount QX! Please Please Please!
Does the QX100 shoot 1080p60 like the RX100 II ?
I really can’t understand all this talking and complaining about this camera…
It’s only a toy for techno nerds with a smartphone.
Even if it had a raw capability…we all know how a dslr or a dslt works. And we all know they r much better, as sony nex are.
So buy a nex instead.
This is a toy. It shouldn’t be even posted or discussed in a serious photography gear like this, himo ; )
Photography gear website*
the idea has great potential for anybody
Stop crying about it not having raw. Get a real camera if you want Raw. I bet half of you wouldnt even use raw to its highest potential anyway.
RAW, is a HUGE feature for Serious Photogs. and the RAW + JPG save. My guess it’s because of the WiFi transfer of the file. They should have made the RAW save to SD on lens, and WIFI over to phone the JPG only. * Really, HOPE on the Z1 Honami the camera does RAW + JPG saves and has “real” Manual Controls to the camera. Including Flash comp, Exposure comp, Easy/fast ISO changes. Auto ISO maybe even with Min. Shutter (Oh, that’s not on the Alphas yet) :). Half Press shutter on the Z1 phone, like a camera.
that would be brilliant marketing if they did give the Z1 better features for the QX’s.. means all of us would jump on the Z1 and throw our iphones away in a instant !.. i wonder if Sony would have the balls to do that though ?
No manual mode, no RAW, 500$= no deal
Sony: please vow to release a firmware update to add RAW output to the QX100 and I will gladly buy this magnificent toy to augment my NEX which I shoot and process purely in RAW.
Sony had it with this product until they f*cked it up as always: No raw.
Damn, i really wanted to buy this, but no way jose, not if raw is not available 🙁
I really wanted my money to help Sony come out victorious in image segment 🙁
Very good video but poor lens support without RAW. Passing on this.
No RAW on QX100, No buy! Just leave the RAW file on SD card, ok?
I guess 95% of the market shoots RAW as JPG is good enough and lens distortion and CA etc already corrected. 0% would devolpe their RAW files on a Smartphone. Sony could offer it of course, but for these last 5%? I’m one of the 95%, but I feel like in a 5% minority here on SAR 😉
Of course it only shoot jpg it could never transfer RAW over the connection to the phone.
If it will just costs $350, i may think twice here….but it will NOT.
lol typical sony fanboy lol
as soon as the product is out of the sony door…
“no X thing, no sale” “has X thing i dont want, no sale” “i wait until next version and only if they add X thing” lol
always finding an excuse to not buy the product, in reality, sony product its better than everything else in market or the only one in market, they are not buying it because they cant, because even if sony got a “perfect” product, they always came with “its overpriced” lol
as for me, im interested in those “toys”, and as always, i will decide buying it or not, only after i try it, as everything i had buyed in my life (yes, i tried my wife before buying it lol)… marketing, prewies and reviews its the same bullshit i dont care…
i may even buy one “toy” just to the help the system, hoping sony see a market there and expand, so maybe i finally get the the QX i really want, a 1inch fast prime (that should be slimmer and with better IQ)
PD
im curious, if sony had put RAW (they dont because the small buffer/memory/procesor there) whats the thing all of you were bitching about… size, price, color? because i know you need to justify yourself to not buying it and not face the reality that you “cant” buy it, i even doubt the “pros” here, to be a pro you need to make money right? are you? cause im not a “pro” photographer and can buy it, by the way im a “pro” computer enginerer, IF all PROs here, work in what they love, cant understand why they dont want it badly, its like me not rushing to try the new thing netbook/tablet/smatphone/etc (new as in neverbeforeproduct, NO rushing for the new model) this QX are the NEW thing in the world you love (photography) the profesion you chose to expend your life time, hope you were smat enough to chose a work you enjoy, and you dont even go and try one, you already chose to turn away? its more revolutionary in photography than anything in this century and you dont care?
OH BOY how elated photographers are indeed.
why you read SAR? for me its like a crystall ball, a glimpse of the future, its my guide to my hoby/photography NOT to post bitching about everything
your right – I’ll buy the little QX10 for my girlfriend so she can do some nice selfies with it 🙂 for $250 it’s a perfect selfies cam!.. 😛
Plenty of photogs don’t bother with RAW. If you can print to the same size and take good photos to begin with.. yes why bother unless one needs fashion shoot or art adjustment?
Wow! You troll here, 43rumors, petapixel…. How sad.
Comment is for @joenoname
hahahhaa ive been posting here for almost 3 years now, i dont troll, its a forum, i state my opinion
btw why do you say I troll?
No offense, but if you shoot jpeg these days when raw is available you are just clueless.. Why would not a photpgrapher want his images to look the best they can? Raw-editing is really simple. Qx100 -no raw -no buy.
I use the RX100 daily.. the JPGs from this unit as pretty darn good – I barely find myself needing to use RAW for my daily street snaps, factory tours, hospital operation assignments etc..
I only really use RAW when I’m shooting weddings and professional studio assignments etc.. in those cases I will not be using the RX100, I’d be using my real camera ie: my Nikon D3’s etc..
and pre-judging from the looks of the barrel, my RX100 will still fit in my pocket better then the QX100 barrel. true no ?
I assumed that considering this gadget had rx100 sensor and lens the lack of raw is how they differentiate the two products. I would think that it was competing against galaxy xoom new iphone nokias cameraphones and as yet unreleased onslaught of high(er) quality camera smartphone products. Rx100 is the pocketable camera with zoom that photo enthusiasts or even working photojournalists use.
This QX concept is a new concept that is hopefully going be tested by amainstream audience and if successful then it can be released with refinements to suit more advanced shooters. Maybe I’m way out of the ballpark and perhaps this product should be marketed at a99, eos1ds and d800 users looking for a reliable backup camera.
not having RAW is not a deal breaker for me, I have a RX100 and absolutely love it for the video side… it’s so much better qual then the old 550d ML I was using for filming.. i do multicam talking heads with these two cameras and the difference in colour and white balance just makes editing a pita.
however the deal breaker for me is if the video modes don’t match the RX100, I was hoping to buy three of the QX100’s for my multicam video interview filming work I do. I cannot afford three new rx100’s however 🙁 and at these prices this QX100 would of been absolutely perfect B-cam’s for my self funded documentary on a new high-tech non-toxic cancer treatment over here in China, that will change the world for cancer treatments once word gets out.. ( I’ve been here in China since early 2012 .. Im from Aust .. and now broke! )
My RX100 only does 1080/50p so even 1080/25p would of been fine as thats what I have as my base… as long as it has the same colour science as the RX100 and same white balance values for easy setup it would of been great. Even in auto mode I can live with for mutlicam use… as long as it can record video straight for at least 29mins.
Does anyone know the battery life for video recording straight up ???
What the hell happened to intellectuality around here? Who the hell ever expected an addon lens, using NFC or WiFi for transfer, to a damn CELLPHONE, to EVER support RAW?? Do you know what it would take for the phone to even render that thing? Phones like to brag about quadcore… but they are not laptops. They aren’t even netbook/ultrabook/googlebook… and neither are any of the tabs, Windows Mobile or otherwise. That kind of bandwidth and battery usage in the field makes zero sense.
Sony is more than aware that the VAST, VAST majority of cellphone photographers take thousands of pictures monthly. Facebook alone stores PETAbytes of data almost daily due to photo-imaging. Sony also knows that people are tired of finding out that their vaunted iPhone 5 or their Nokia Lumia 41mp of wasted surface area, can’t print an image to save their lives that, whoa, they’re only built to look amazing on screen. No these lenses are for people who don’t want to carry a camera unless they have to, and would much rather use their phone for instant sharing AS WELL AS POSSIBLY print later, knowing that their images will look 15x better, at minimum. The idea is revolutionary. The customers who’ve heard about it at our store are thrilled someone even thought of it.
Is it going to be spontaneous? Lord no! It’s WIFI for god’s sake. But it won’t be any slower than any other cellphone looking to snap the Instagram moment… and it’ll make their images actually have dimension, and texture that doesn’t include high levels of noise even in the best lighting.
Like ALL camera components, these lenses won’t be for everyone… but they will cell. Watch. And they’ll be the beginning of a different era in cellphone photography. The real cameraphones are coming… these are just the start.
So quit yapping about “only real photographers use RAW” (which is unmitigated bulls#!t). No. Real photographers use the tool at hand to create the best art they can and they don’t bitch about RAW or not RAW, they take the damn photo and tell the damn story, that’s what they do. I can turn it around: RAW is for sloppy photographers who never learned to control their camera settings properly, photographers who aren’t secure enough to turn around and hand off a file to a client knowing that the post-production and pre-press process for that client will be minimal because you killed it on site, live in the camera. RAW is for the weak.
Which of course is also bull. BUT not entirely. And we all know it.
The lenses are awesome. Nikon and Canon haven’t innovated in 5 years. Get over that fact and understand the good ideas are coming from new directions, Sony being one of them.
FYI: The EOS 70D is a beta test for the Canon masochists to try out and complain about until Canon finally gets it 3/4 correct in the 7D replacement… which won’t be finished until its 14th generation of firmware. But if you want to call that progress and innovation and moving the market forward in a “game-changing’ sort of way, then be my guest.
Why are all the guys holding QX cameras metrosexuals wearing glasses and shooting fruits and vegetables?
because it’s slooow? camera only suitable for such things? 🙂
Why are you living in the 60s?
They got to be kidding! No RAW?! What the…?!
This is an absolute deal breaker for me. Sure I don’t want to edit RAW files on the phone, but maybe later on my PC. And if I made a snapshot where exposure was not ideal, because I was in a hurry, RAW can save the photo.
I’d never pay 450 EUR for a camera that does not allow me to get the RAW. This is acceptable for a <300 EUR camera.
This gadget is definitely a tool for geeks and amateur photo enthusiasts. So please design the features alike. The normal smartphone user will never buy this camera as he's happy with the internal camera.
I'm an amateur photo enthusiast and I want full control over shutter speed, aperture and ISO, manual focus and RAW. I want at least a "S", "A" and "M" mode. Also something for low light (multiple exposure) would be nice.
Sony, if this rumor is correct, then I'm disappointed: No Raw 🙁
Tiny sensor and a very slow lens. Always a good combination.
Well, a good idea from Sony, but I don´t know how convenient this is. You have to carry a second device (like a normal camera), there is no Flash, it might be a bit fiddly to operate and if a call is coming in I don´t think it is comfortable to hold with the lens attached.
With that tiny sensored 10x zoom thing, if that is a good upgrade to the build in Smartphone camera, well than equally compacts are far of from being dead.
All in all a far better idea than this Powershot N thing…let´s see if it sells well.
No offence to this fabulous and vibrant website, however, that promotional video by sony is one of THE worst promotional videos ive ever had the displeasure of wasting several minutes of my eyeballs on il never get back!!!
Please sony sack pr people and take it down ASAP, b4 too much damage is done with it.
I wouldnt buy this phone addon based on the exceptionally piss poor promo vid alone now, even if it was a semi “enthusiast” setup, which it sounds like it isnt, not having raw and other MAJOR shortcomings…..good 1 for doing that?
All that resource wasted on this gimmicky clumsy looking ergonomically pointless exercise, when it could have gone towards producing more real cameras sooner for us???
Such as rx1 with option for a zoom lens & built in vf, ff nex, apsc rx100, you know, LOGICAL PROGRESSIONS??
Yes, i know in the yr 2013, its a huge proposition to ask people to lug around the enourmous weight of a mob phone AND a camera god forbid, that might actually take up 2 pocket spaces instead of one, oooooh~what an inconvenience, not to mention the extra weight of a WHOLE CAMERA weighing at least a few hundred grams[there goes my lower back lol], i guess thats why they used the androgonous metrosexual stick figure geek dude to show it off right, ingenious!!!!!!!
Do they ever ask the market/consumer what they want i wonder.ps, i love some sony gear and own it too.so this aint a mindless hate on,
But this is a disgrace really. all that build up, pfffffff.
So, when Sony asks to remove accidental leaks, does this mean all other leaks are purposed by marketing reasons?
nope. It’s because this one came directly via Sony site.