In an Interview with DC.watch both Canon (here) and Nikon (here) confirmed that the intorduction of new High Megapixel FF cameras is veeeery likely to happen soon. This confirms the rumors I post for many months now that Sony will launch a new High megapixel FF sensor (46MP?) in 2015. I am sure the Soy A9 E-mount camera will use it (or whatever the final name will be). I see it highly likely Nikon will use the same sensor. A bit less likely but not entirely impossible is that Canon will use that sensor too. Recently Canon uses the RX100 sensor insider their [shoplink 32018 ebay]G7X compact camera[/shoplink].
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Only this type of war is good..good for us, consumers… mere mortals…
FF camera??? D810,D750,DF. oh wait, you mean 36mp FF? right, so this news worth a place in sonyalpharumor?
Sorry. In case you missed it. Nikon uses Sony sensors on their FF cameras. So if they say they have a new High Resolution FF camera…well I think that news matters a LOT!
Andrea,
2 questions
So is the 46MP sensor a Bayer sensor???
If it is will there be a camera later in 2015 which will have a none Bayer sensor???
So far all “Points out” it’s Bayer.
It’s guaranteed that if CaNikon do use the Sony sensor, they will get a heck of a lot more out of it than Sony will…..sadly.
Isn’t it about time Sony got their act together and started learning from CaNikon regarding no loss RAW files,Jpeg algorithms etc. etc. etc.
They might even offer IBIS and OVF with the new Sony sensor, oh that’s right not only are they unable to design a great sensor but can’t do the other things. Stop dreaming joker, Sony is setting new standards for digital cameras. And leaving Canon and Nikon in the dust. (but only on the Nikon version)
Sure, new wobbly mounts standards
An arabic version of Lee, but just as stupid.
Obviously Santa has emptied his brain sack and now just wants to ruin as many good forum threads as possible by using stupid names and posting stupid comments.
Sony should stick to what they’re good at: making sensors. Nikon always does a better job with their sensors than they do.
A third of stop here, a tenth of a stop there. Big difference.
Two pounds here, 500 cubic inches there. When Nikon make a compact system camera like the A7 I’ll take these guys seriously. Sony have made a compact pick-up truck that actually keeps up with and actually outperforms the Nikon full-sized gas guzzler and the guys who cannot even drive won’t accept this fact.
Rubbish, show me evidence of this.
Brace for DXO!
I know, DXO, DigLloyd et al. LOL……….
Really! Lol! You forgot dPreview.
Guaranteed based on what? Canon’s long track of using Sony sensors?
Heck of a lot more? Like a measurable fourth of a stop?
great, can I get you to sign that guarantee? How much will you pay me if its not true?
Sony will end up as a sensor supplier company. If both Canon amd Nikon will be using the good quality Sony sensors, why would anyone buy A or E mount then, Both companies have a huge history of lenses and accessories, and both will make the most out of these sensors
because canon and nikon still making big and heavy cameras. lens are over rated because people go to candid and mobile, not tripod and a masterpiece out of 1000 photos you took in a day.
Not everyone wants a small camera, not everyone wants to take candid and furtive pictures of unsuspecting subjects, not every ‘big’ camera user even owns a tripod (try using one when nature shooting).
Not everyone wants a big camera either…
that is why dslr sales are dropping.
And with Canikon, you can go 1000 shots or more a day. 😉 I got roughly 1300 shots per camera on a pair of D7000s at one wedding, and my batteries were around 80% each at the end of the night. No chimping, all shooting. Mirrorless, on the other hand…
So, you buy two more batteries for the Sony. The horror!
Wedding photography is better served with a DSLR anyway. Mirrorless is more applicable to multi-media (read: creative endeavors). 🙂
Lol.
Now you mention it… I just did shoot last saturday, shot 1932 shots and I just checked my battery: 50% still left and the second battery in the grip is untouched 100%. The point you where trying to make?!?
Wifi off, BT off, manual lenses: no OSS or aperture. you can get even more batt. time by turning screen off and set it to EVF only. the second you take your eye from the EVF it will switch off. But I do have the option of build in Wifi, a fantastic EVF that can magnify my manual lenses for perfect focus… dslr on the other hand….
just curious, what set up did you have to reach 1932 shots please? with some spare stamina
?it’s in the second part of the comment?!?
Sorry I wasn’t aware.
Anyway, thats why i have mixed feelings about my sel 16-50 pz…
I’m thrilled about the portability sizewise. But E-mount doesn’t fully provide mobility, energy wise.
This lens suits my casual needs but takes too much battery even if i turn off all settings…even manual focus is a motor 🙁
Do you think possible to produice a non-motorized collapsable e-mount lens? kind of loxia collapsible 🙂
Switching to airplane mode and using the EVF only helps a lot. I’m pretty confident with 3 day assignments, but would not plan a 3 week trip trough the jungle right now until I know exactly how these sony’s would react to temp change and humid. 16-50 on my A6000 is ok, but I do carry a spare batt. everywhere I go just in case. It is not a bad snapshot combo, but after shooting it side by side with the A7S I really dislike the noise of the a6000.
Sure, they have many lenses, but how many can feed a 40+ MP sensor?
And they have no 50mm thats as versatile as the FE5518 and no 35/1.4 with a clickless aperture ring, so right now I like Sony/Zeiss lenses even better… Of course Canon has more… But they are old.
Absolutely, its a 21st century system. Nikon are clinging to 1955 with their mount and mirror.
There are probably more lenses in the nikon lineup capable of such a sensor than Sony has altogether.
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Nikon lenses are pretty bad. The 1.4G is worse, than the Sony 50 1.8 OSS and costs more (D7100 + 1.4G vs A6000 + 50 OSS scenario for example). The Nikon 58 needs to be stoped down to at least f/2.8, while the FE 55 is tack sharp at f/2.0.
Yes, Nikon primes are lacking where sharpness is concerned.
Eliminate the exotic lenses that none own and reevaluate the standard prime & zoom range that people actually buy. Sony are actually the better and more modern system, plus Sony correct for aberrations on the video stream, Nikon are MIA as far as video functionality is concerned.
There’s not even a decent normal lens in the Nikon line. If you wanted a true lens system it’d be CANON.
CanonGuy. Yep, those are the facts, Canon totally outperforms Nikon where a modern lens-line is concerned!
Wait for the new Canon and buy the Sony too, best of both worlds.
So is that why nikon lenses fare so poorly at dxo compared to Canon and Sony?
Go back and look-up the Canon TSE’s and compare to Nikon’s and get back to us.
CI Sales is clueless. Won’t admit when he’s wrong.
I use, among other more “conventional” Leica, Contax and Olymous lenses, an old Jupiter-9 85/2 ltm on a Nex7. The lens outresolves the sensor up to the borders. Given that the Nex7 pixel density is pretty much the same (actually a tad higher) as a ff 46mp sensor I don’t think any problem will lay with the lenses 🙂
Too big, no EVF… No Ibis… If they make a new mirrorless ff, wait for new lenses or use too big ones via adapter.
It will take them a few years to catch up. Maybe in 3 years Ill consider a Canon again.
“Too big” – Many people actually like bigger (not too big though) cameras for many reasons like big hands, use of big lenses etc.
“No Ibis” – No, but their lenses have IS, Many people think that lens IS is better than IBIS.
“No EVF” – Can’t fault you on that one. EVF is now extremely good but it seems that millions still prefer OVF and do not want to change over yet. Me? I love it.
Must be honest, if Canikon start to do EVF in their SLR cameras, it would be a big temptation to me.
These are “glass half empty” arguments on a “is there something in the glass” topic. Straw man.
Not really arguments.
“Too Big” – I personally like larger cameras, my hands are big and my fingers are too crushed up and bent when trying to use the A7 style camera, many others are like me in that respect. I also prefer the balance of a larger body when using long lenses.
“No IBIS” – A straightforward, and true, statement.
“No EVF” – Again, just a statement, not an argument. I personally love the EVF, many don’t and still prefer OVF. Will they eventually move over to EVF, who knows.
Nothing ‘glass half empty’ there, just my thoughts as a reply to Shana.
I thought we were discussing why would anyone buy a or e mount.
Put a grip on the A7 then, its actually deeper with the grip than what you use. If that’s not impressive enough, stick on the XLR module. If that’s not going to impress the girls then bolt on the Atomos…………. See, Sony thought of everyone, even you!
Yeah, history. Lots of history in the comments today. Many people living in the past… not liking the latest developments. Who would’ve known?
Let’s scale back the excitement…. This is purely a niche product. I’ve seen many serious photographers switch from the D800/810 and A7r back down to the D750/A7 because 36mp was actually too many megapixels.
46mp will certainly be useful for some types of shooters — Essentially, an alternative to medium format shooting.
But this is not a revolution that will affect 99% of photographers. We have gotten to the point where there is very little benefit of more megapixels. It could be useful as “digital zoom” for wildlife photographers, and an alternative for medium-format users.
I’ll try the Pentax first thanks. If they make this a 48MP sensor that can downsample to 24MP with a higher dynamic range, that would be more then just a niche product.
sweep panorama 12mp camera way to go 🙂
The Nikon D810 can downsample… but it still is a bit of a niche product. The D750 is selling really well, and getting top reviews, largely because it is such a well rounded product, with 24mp being the sweet spot for most general uses.
“We have gotten to the point where there is very little benefit of more megapixels”
Sorry but no, we’re not everyone there yet. While the biggest problem, in my book, is still the awful way digital renders highlights (the “highlight rolloff”, in technical terms) compared to film, in terms of sheer resolution some of us still need more.
Granted, not for every kind of shooting. But I shoot, like many others, natural landscapes. So while I don’t give a damn about autofocus or 10fps I want to be able to have detail in the foliage and the grass like, in the good ol’ days, with a 4×5 or 8×10 sheet film.
I understand we are talking 35mm full format here, and not medium or large format. But while at a time you could get a 4×5 or an 8×10 at an affordable price, nowadays there is no digital alternative at a fair price (no, 30.000$ is not a fair price for my wallet), besides scanning (and that is between 50 and 150$ for image, if done with the proper equipment, not a flatbed).
I’m tired of having to stitch 9-12 files for each single image, so I’m waiting for a new megapixel race for what has seemed forever 🙂
And btw, I’m pretty sure that there are more landscape shooters out there than Nascar photographers!
I’m not denying that it can have some benefit to some shooters…
but I fully disagree with you in regards to that. As you said, the proper comparison is 35mm format — A modern 24mp dSLR already provides more detail than a 35mm film SLR.
If you’re looking for a medium format replacement…. Well, I said that right in my first post — That the small market for such a camera, includes medium format alternative.
And there are far more general purpose shooters, casual shooters, journalistic shooters, wedding shooters, sports shooters, than there are medium format shooters.
As I said initially — there is limited benefit to more megapixels, though it would provide an alternative to medium format.
And then you disagreed with me — saying that the benefit is a replacement to medium format.
So I think we agree — For the overwhelming majority of shooters, this is irrelevant. Including landscape photographers who have traditionally used film and 35mm. But for those seeking a medium format alternative, 46mp is useful.
Actually landscape photographers have traditionally used film, yes, but from medium format and up, with the rare exception of Galen Rowell and might be a few others. 🙂
But I see your point; you are looking at it from a “market” perspective (and in this sense you’re certainly right); I’m talking about satisfying a different kind of segment out there that has been neglected so far (i.e. all the cameras of the last years, the exception being the A7r, have been mostly for casual and sport shooters, journalists, etc.)
And now happy holidays, time for me to go to dinner!
And if it’s mirrorless…
…with flash system
…without adapters
…without fly-wire focus
…without disenfranchising their loyalists
… poor Sony. Hope she enjoyed it while it lasted. Lot’s of cheap A7II’s on eBay soon. CaNiko will get more out of the same sensor, and build more functional cameras around fuller photo-centric systems… rather than tiny showoff tech ma$tRbAsHuN.
E-Mount will return to the glory of Best Buy enthusiast compacts, as originally envisioned. And Sony will keep peddling her little soccer magazine to soccer moms. A good fit.
Sony will be forced back with A-Mount users to keep any hint of pro respect alive. That’s why she hasn’t killed it entirely. She knows she might need A-Mount one day to revive her fading heartless pulse.
Flame away Elpha lovers. Your day of betrayal is coming soon enough, after your psychopathic cult leader is seen for what she really is. What shall we play at her funeral, bagpipes or trumpet taps?
Oh… and merry Christmas to all!
That is all very nice, but the real question is: if you are so certain this will happen, why are you here?
Uh… long time Alpha user. This is Alpha rumors… isn’t it?
QUICK! Sell it, the end of A is near! you are DOOMED!
Get a nice D750 and be happy.
Alpha means first. It is also my Omega. I have everything I need except a company who can support the needs of pros instead of being distracted by surprising short term successes.
You are full of fascinating irrelevant info, good for you!
QUICK! Sell it, the end of A is near! you are DOOMED!
Get a nice D750 and be happy.
Repeating one’s self is irrelevant info.
You’re telling me? Have you read these comments? It’s the same rants by the same people on every topic, I’m just trying to fit in 😛
Perhaps you should stop repeating your same old cr*p then…
Welcome to all Sony experts who spend so much time predicting the absolutely certain future of Sony cameras. So glad want to spend time sharing your wisdom and extraordinary insights into the future.
No need for predictions. History clearly states that Nikon gets more out of the same sensors. History clearly states that CaNiko have fuller photo-centric systems that don’t force their loyalists to compromise ergonomics or loose mature flash systems for the sake a a microphone.
History clearly states that Sony never intended Elpha to become what she hopes it can, but never can be. History clearly states that Alpha (A-Mount) was designed from the very beginning to hold larger lenses like 300/2.8 with extra thick six screw mount. Elpha can’t get there from here because it was NEVER designed to be in the first place. First camera in history that needed a third party company to release a more robust mount? Seriously? Think pros don’t notice that? Think enthusiasts don’t notice what pros notice? Trickle down marketing… it’s free… and Sony NEVER understood the benefits of it. CaNiko understood from the beginning, that enthusiasts eventually follow the brand that pros recommend.
Ah yes, the history of a one year old product line clearly obviously..something something darkside. Please keep the ‘predictions’ coming, they are very entertaining.
History clearly states NEX 3 released mid 2010. That’s four years friend, not one. And in that four years history clearly states that Elpha had to change it’s menu to be more like Alpha. Elpha had to steal Alpha name to gain respect it didn’t deserve… will backfire as badly as the Hasselblad association. People are too smart theses days. Respect is earned, not purchased.
Now history shows us that Elpha steals Alpha style grip and stabilization. All these efforts to make Elpha pretend to be Alpha. History would have been better served with R&D cash put towards the original Alpha system, rather than betraying the loyalists who made it profitable for Sony to purchase Minolta in the first place. History would be better served with compact full frame a33 style body, still more ergonomically satisfying and stable than any Elpha could ever hope to be.
History clearly states that CaNikon take the Alpha developments and refine them to higher photo purist standards. Been that way forever.
Not a prediction friend. Consider this a history lesson to make predictions from.
Oh good so the A7 product line is actually a NEX3? And not one year old but 4 years? I think you wrote some other stuff with the word history in it but I got distracted by a cat video on youtube, please explain again how 4 year history explains why the A7 series is not being sold at all and the A9 is the end of sony?
If you’re that easily distracted by cat videos, then NEX3 is all you need friend. Save cash and spend quality time with your kitty.
Too late, already got a A7R and a6000, if it doesn’t work out with sony I’ll go back to Nikon, D750 is a really nice piece of kit.
I’m allergic to cats, but I do like to play with p@ssy.
Judging by your comment people aren’t too smart these days. Rather entitled drama queens living in an imaginary history.
This history is fact.
Unless you’d rather imagine it away with Sony “make.believe”.
Seriously, I have dates and examples of Sony slowly (insidiously) attempting to morph Elpha into Alpha. You offer sarcasm instead of supportable counter argument.
For me to present a counter atgument, there needs to be a proper argument in the first place. Things like “fuller photo-centric systems”, “psychopatic cult leaders” and “Canikon understanding everything from the beginning” cannot be called arguments and they do not need my intervention, as they crumble on their own.
Do you disagree that CaNikon have fuller photo centric systems?
Do you disagree that CaNikon understand the trickle down marketing potential of enthusiasts wanting the same brand as pros recommend?
Do you disagree that cult followers never see the errant ways of their leaders until after their psychopathic leader has been exposed?
Seriously, Sony wants everyone to believe that the old photo world is falling and only her followers will survive. That’s her best marketing pitch. Follow blindly and believe everything Sony promises. She’ll betray Elpha users just as fast as she betrayed Alpha users.
Boo hoo, Sony isn’t offering you what you want as they have a strategy that you disagree with. Sucks to be you with all that pent up anger 😉
Off course peolpe offer sarcasm, what else can we do when someone pretends a couple of years in electronics is ‘history’ and proof. I went on a few dates as well, and therefor I can predict what your girlfriend will be like when you finally get one.
A couple of years in electronics is no foundation to build a pro tempting camera company upon. Sony bought her way into the game when they bought Minolta. It’s like thinking of a hooker as your girlfriend. Might happen. Probably won’t.
“A couple of years in electronics is no foundation to build a pro tempting camera company upon.” exactly so wtf is with the dumb ‘history” BS? They just started, the A7* series is just a year old, it seems like they finally found a direction that works for them and you already declare it a failure because of ‘blah NEX blah blah history’.
The real question is: can you dance? Maybe sing? If not, you really got to come up with something a little more interesting and creative.
The direction they found that works for them is to make NEX cameras pretend to be Alpha system… at the expense of sacrificing Alpha cameras.
Houston… We have a BIG problem! Pros don’t want to adapt to that kind of logic. They’d rather have their own brand make shiny Sony tech better for photographers, rather than better for board of directors.
All NEX cameras were Alpha’s.
Dude, you really need to get some help with your anger issues…
You could argue the points instead of making accusations. Funny how people attack the messenger when they can’t accept truth or argue against it.
Please don’t be angry with me for that.
You’re not making any points, you’re just crying
Truth isn’t reality, it’s simply a construct of an individuals level of understanding!
Introducing the new Barry, everyone! Even crazier rants than before…
Attack the messenger to avoid the truth. Crazy good plan man.
Protect the cult leader at reality’s expense. Good boy.
Go take some pictures with a mirrorless, try it, then print out a few of your better images, try 17″x22″ and see what you find. As for “flash systems” gelled flash effects went out in the 1980’s…………
Heard it all before, first it was the MF crowd with their “Haw-sal-blawds” then they switched over to the D100’s and repeated said mantra toward the early digital adopters and here we are again…………. same two-chorded song with new lyrics……….. You guys are severely vision limited considering your want to become photographers someday.
And yet the FE cameras are selling like hot cakes. While SLT sits in the camera shop cabinet gathering dust….Go figure….
More MP is plain evolution, in a couple of years 5k monitor resolution will be standard, and all sub 15MP photos won’t even fill the screen… And later 8k…
And then the photo printing market will be absolutely ruined, as everyone will be able to right click and “save as”, and print the 15mp photo. Even putting the image stealing issue apart, this resolution war is simply ridiculous.
Printing market might flourish, as people that want to see their old 8MP photos will have to print on paper as they won’t be able to view them on their 8k screens 🙂
I think we won’t need so much prints anymore. Life is short and we want to review images when needed only. A screen is convenient for that.
Prints are costly, unecological and not durable.
Barytha paper can last for a century. In 50 yearsfrom here someone can hold that photo in his hands and enjoy it. In 50 years nobody will look for my photos stored in a lost hard drive or in some Cloud..
(Personally I think that a printed photo is what a photo should be, and I enjoy more at looking at it. I think today too many people are forgetting how nice it is to phisically hold a photo)
Or view a slide on a light table.
This doesn’t generate better pictures and movies. Additionally, would we see the difference at normal viewing distances in our living room? How large a TV do we want, afford? I just wonder as in industrial countries people above 50 increase steadily in numbers and, at the same time, loose perfect vision.
More MP help me to make better crops.
Sony is the leader in sensor tech no doubt. I hope sony delivers a billion ff sensors
Will we see it at CP+?
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Do you now think it likely that Nikon, Canon, an Sony will all introduce a 50 ish mp camera in Feb? And that Nikon will likely introduce cameras with Sony sensors at the same time as the Sony version?
Did you read the post?
Don’t answer a question with a question…..english elemetary school gramma. …
*English, elementary nursery school gramma… 😉
The gramma is correct…it’s the spelling that’s off…thanks to my not so smart phone.
English should be capitalised 😉
If you were smart you would turn off the autocorrect.
This way I can blame my phone…seems pretty smart to me. ; )
Sorry, you writing like an idiot is down to you, not your phone 😉
And you manage to write like an idiot even without the typos.
You really need to work on your comebacks, as that was very lame 😉
You need to earn a better one.
I’ll take that as code for you not being able to come up with a better one 😉
I choose my battles.
You are not a battle I choose.
Furthermore I know too little about you to deliver the personalized insults you seem to desire.
Perhaps if you tell your best insults to your mirror it will work for you.
I can almost hear you crying through the internet lol 😀
Opinions change.
And I think the Canikon cameras are going to sell more… I think right now most pros still aren’t tempted to switch to e Mount
I don’t know many people who would ditch an established system they spent years building for a system still in birthing pains. I think most “pros” who switch hang on to their “pro” systems and are happy they did. The honeymoon fades.
Birthing pains are right… because it was an unplanned conception.
Minolta released Maxxum 9000/7000 with full line of pro lenses from 16 Fish to 300/2.8, and more pro lenses within a year. And A-Mount that was designed to support the big glass from the beginning, targeting the pros and avid enthusiasts at the start. Soccer moms were second consideration. Sony releases E-Mount for soccer moms first, then try to play pro later.
Sony uses hype and bandaids to excuse the deficiency.
And what are most “pros” shooting today? Figure that out and you’ll see the flaw in your rational maybe.
Nothing new here, his rationale is always flawed.
Hey, he’s still trying to convince HIMSELF he really wants that Nikon, no harm in that I suppose. Or maybe he just likes to be the team piñata, I can’t figure which it is to be sure. LOL
Pros are shooting with systems that don’t betray and abandon legacy investment. Pros are shooting with systems that earn respect over years of proven track record.
No, Pros shoot with whatever gets the job done.
Amen to that!
Exactly, which is more likely to be a cohesive system with an established lens line up and a full stable of accessories
Really? Canikon big in the medium/large format then?
Like I replied to you above. MOTION. If you won’t accept this fact, you won’t understand how the world is changing right before your eyes. You will become the proverbial frog in that boiling pot of water my friend!
I call BS. Canon did exactly what you are talking about when they dropped the FD mount in favor of auto focus
Not to mention Minolta when they dropped the MD-Rokkor mount for what we now call A-mount.
Now most people use Canon FD glass on a Sony camera… oh, irony
And with the new IBIS some of those choices could become interesting especially at the longer focal-lengths, 85mm & up.
You’re OBVIOUSLY a deluded amateur. Unless sponsored by a manufacturer or more likely, their gear is supplied by an employer, a pro, who’s often BROKE will use whatever kit gets the job done for the lowest cost. Most pros when asked “would you switch over to another system?” will reply, “sure, but I cannot AFFORD to.” Economics plays a huge part in system choice. The new generation of professionals are choosing mirrorless, for both cost and adaptability.
You’ll find the last people hanging onto the DSLR’s will be well-heeled amateurs, as is the case with the rangefinders and MF cameras.
Correct, and also portability in the new age of air travel.
Good point. Airline baggage fee’s for the sole-operator are often crippling.
Yep agreed. I switched as I was not that heavily invested (as I was never particularly happy with Canon) Investing in FE mount made complete economic sense.
I don’t think new generation of photographers that buys alpha FF cameras will beat the buyers of existing Canikon users in numbers. Yes, the economy part is probably why people don’t want to switch at all, but I don’t see pros broke often. They can switch anytime they want, but of course, with sacrifices, which a lot of people doesn’t want to do.
Really ????
Scott Kelby did not think so when switched Nikon to Canon,
Actually a good point. Most pro’s are brand agnostic. It’s hobbyists that feel the need to turn camera choices into some kind of idolatry.
When does “legacy” become ‘out of date’……I prefer to shoot with the system that suits me and gives me the best image quality….That system is Sony FE mount….
I’d say when it becomes problematic and starts to hinder work-flow.
Are you implying that they’re shooting Sony mirrorless? Or any Sony? If that’s not implied, then I would guess the vast majority shoot Canon and nikon.
No, I’m standing alongside guys who’ve been longtime Canon/Nikon shooters and seeing it with my own eyes. Granted, these are the more progressive editorial shooters, those edging into motion, but they’re there for sure!
You asked what most pros were shooting, not what most “progressive
editorial shooters into motion” were shooting. Most pros shoot canon/nikon.
Wrong again. Most “Stills Pros” shoot Canon, followed by Nikon. Most Multi-Media Pro’s shoot Canon followed by Sony. And most Pro Stills guys turned Motion Pros shoot Sony.
Trying to help you here, but its like banging a square peg into a round hole!
If you really wanted to help, you’d stick with a single definition of professional. Is it “all pros” or “some pros”?
If you ever were a professional image maker you’d soon realize how moronic that statement is. Furthermore, you’d stop with all your generalization “Nikon is better” rubbish. There’s no perfect camera AND no SINGLE definition of photographer, IT’S ACTUALLY AS DIVERSE A FIELD as an I can think of. Again, to understand what I’m saying you’d have to walk the walk.
How many system have you run?
Nine I’ll admit to. Loved the old film based Nikons. Olympus OM’s were very ahead of their time. MF was a PITA to lug around. Canon took the prize when they gave us the original 5D, then the 5Dll was the icing. Sony are a welcome addition to the group, MF image quality with Olympus OM forward thinking.
As you have no idea who I am, perhaps the generalization is yours. Your original post asked “what are most pros shooting?” You began the generalization and can no longer defend it, so you change the definition.
We know what you’re not and that’s anyone with a clue. You’re only rational for being here on this Sony board is verbal gymnastics and you have an uncanny inability to process information and learn.
Sometimes zealots are visionary and have something to teach, but usually they’re just zealots. When someone no longer buys the snake oil they’re selling, they call them ignorant and unteachable.
That would make you the number one zealot by your own definition then CI Sales!
I’m assuming you mean the visionary. In any case, I see you’ve taken the conversation to the “I’m rubber and you’re glue…” stage, so I’m out! Happy holidays!
AMAZING, number one NIKON ZEALOT. Some self-examination there from CI. It’s the first thing he’s said that’s spot-on. Good job!
No such thing bud, sorry to bust your bubble.
No bubble to burst!
They will “ditch” when the current system provider falls so far behind the state of the art that their products become a joke. That time is quickly approaching which is why Canon is switching to Sony sensors. But customers will come to expect more, IBIS, EVF’s and the focusing enhancements that go with it. So both Nikon and Canon have a brief window of opportunity in which to bring their respective technologies up to date. Failing to do that will be their doom, so far there is no signs that Canon or Nikon have either the desire or technical know how to get this done. End of story.
pro aint fanboy, they go for the best for the job.
The teachers in my school just dumped their 5D’s for the A7R/A7S. These are professionals people and the school doesn’t teach how to operate a mirrorless camera because they are sponsored by Canon. I call for an art school reform! Give us the best technology in the media industry and a free a6000 for every student.
With a plastic mount and pitiful lens selection?….errm no thanks.
The professionals in my school are using an adapter to use their Canon lenses on their Sony cameras. They told me anything they can do with their Canon cameras (which they sold btw) the Sony can do much much better.
I’m a new owner of the Sony a6000 and I got it on a black Friday sale for 1/6th of the price of what I paid for for a piece of old junk. This little camera has better dynamic range and color reproduction than the expensive Canon 5D3 they forced us to buy and use in school. I still have my 5D3 and I’m yet to trade it in. You want to buy it? I need the money for an adapter so I can use it on my new a6000.
I said most.
The problem is actually with adapters, they sometimes run into compatibility issues that these people are not ready to overcome.
At least, it will recognize that it is Sony that makes the best sensors. Either Nikon or Canon.
I definitely agree with that. Most of the time Sony sensors sweep the market.
I would like to thank the following commenters. Elpha Ain’t No Alpha, Nerd Buster and Alpha is a Dickpha. Your interaction with each other has totally entertained me to this point. Please keep up the good work.
Day one purchase. Don’t f’ck it up Sony.
Let’s hope Canon starts using Sony or Samsung sensors. They are so much behind in crop cameras and even top line Full Frames….it is kind of pttyi that they have relatively nice lens line up and no camera body to suite them
Define “so much behind”… i think you are exaggerating a lot here…
When was the last time you used Canon equipment?
You have no idea what you are on about and only seem to go along with what the other chumps say on here…
Show me some evidence in your own photography that shows that your Sony camera is “so much ahead” of Canon please…
The current Canon sensors are at least a generation (arguably two generations) behind (resolution, color depth, dynamic range) than Sony sensors. Sony will soon be releasing a new generation sensor within a few weeks. Canon has obviously ‘thrown in the towel’ and needs to source Sony sensor to stay competitive. So Canon is saying they have fallen behind, you sir are delusional.
I’d agree with that.
It si silly to defend canon in late 2014 – pathetic really. Just look at this the last great Canon camera
Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III
Announced Aug 20, 2007
My A7 is 24MP, Canon 1Ds III is mere 22 and 36MP cameras are all around. Dynamic range on A7 is 14 stops, Canon top of the line model exhibits meager 12 at best – it is 7 years old. Top iso A7 has usable iso 6400 – 1Ds iso 1600 with extended 3200 – a joke of sorts or just Canon? The position of canon in 2014 is so indefensible. 7D mark 2 an overpriced heap of crap – the sensor is just pathetic as is much of the rest of that camera – it is a 2008 design being sold as new in 2014 – joke complete joke.. This was the very best Canon could do in 2014…… Canon 6D has AF system that is about as good as my Minolta 5D used to have in 2005….laughable.
Canon are just no longer a photo company at all. I do not even care to listen to what they release. Samsung do so much more nowadays. Discussing other photo companies as Fuji, Nikon etc. Canon is just no longer part of this….. as it is so dated – they release cameras meant for 2007 and 2008 in 2014……
They need to pull their act together and soon. Sensor is one thing but all of their camera design is pathetic.
5D3 & sold them, they were WAY behind the A7R & D800………. I’d head over to Fred Miranda, lots of evidence from Fred himself (posted articles) on the very subject. The 5D3 however, is by far a better “stills camera” than a D800 even given its limited sensor.
The 5D3 is a lovely stills camera, many landscapers dumped it for the A7R and continued to use their excellent Canon glass. I wonder why they didn’t switch completely over to Nikon CI Sales? Yes I agree, Canon need the Sony sensor.
This represents a significant defeat for both Canon and Nikon; it would be exactly the same as GM, Ford, BMW etc. admitting they can’t design a competitive engine and sourcing it out to a competitor. The beginning of the end.
Dodge, they’ve not made a full-sized van for years. Have you seen the new Fiat/Dodge/Fiat van……. LOL. If you look into Canikon’s history its littered with camera’s lenses & sensors it never actually manufactured. Take a close look at their pocket digicams, often made by someone else and fitted with Sony sensors.
Who builds the engines in domestic Chrysler vehicles? Chrysler of course.
Actually Jeep (I believe a Chrysler property) uses 3rd party engines. For example the Wrangler sold in Europe uses Italian made Diesel engine by another company.
I do not know about US but in Europe most car companies use 3rd party modules. For example my Toyota uses a lot of Denso stuff. VW, probably BMW and Mercedes use a lot of Bosch. Fiat uses Magneti Marelli etc. Toyota, Peugeot and Citroen used common platforms for compact vehicles sharing almost everything except external panels.
Let’s not digress into the realm automotive appliances now. The fact is that BMW, Porsche, Mercedes Benz, Ferrari, Ford, Chevy and many more marques use in-house design for power plants and wouldn’t have it any other way. It signifies engineering excellence and no automotive manufacturer worth his salt would depend on a supplier to design and build engines for it’s flagship vehicles. And neither should Nikon and Canon.
That is not true. All car manufacturers use 3rd party expertise and labour to build their engines. Many of them buy ready made engine designs.
In Sony – Nikon example the Nikon sensors though build by Sony are Nikon sensors take the D750 example – it is not the A7 sensor. It is similar but unique to Nikon – it lacks some of the features of the A99 and A7 model – phase detect on chip.; it also has somewhat better performance in image capture.
So in the Canon discussion I believe they should find the best sensors on the market for their product and source them, just as they source many other bits of their cameras.
On the bigger scale Japanese companies should really get their act together. They lost many businesses to Samsung and LG. The photo business is one of the last consumer businesses they still have strength in. I believe Sony should work together with Nikon to propel the E mount so that they can stand the pressure form Samsung. They need many new lenses, they need to improve ergonomics further, they need to open up the developer eco system for the cameras (current SDK for Wifi for Sony lacks critical functionality while the on camera apps can only be authored by Sony)
I’ve looked hard at the D750 output compared to the A7 and A7 II for example, the only difference is that the D750 output has some colour noise reduction baked in to the RAWs. That is about it. I also find the Sony’s have better colour which suggests they use a different CFA which ‘can’ make them slightly less sensitive but for the tradeoff of better colour reproduction. Nikon seem to chase noise more than anything, so in ‘tests’ their sensors seem to perform better. It’s a bit like those who think Fuji X-Trans is as good as full frame because they see very little ‘noise’…
Motor Venturi (Sp) are Italian Diesels in the Jeeps.
Look closer – there are a few with Mercedes motors.
Not the domestic vehicles (full sized cars and trucks).
Sure check their crossover vehicles, Crossfire springs to mind.
I do not think it is defeat. They make other things very well. Sony is so far behind Canon in terms of lenses.
They just need to do what they do best – Sony makes fabulous camera bodies and sensors.
Canon makes the best lenses in the world. For example Canon wide angle 10-18 that was released this year is three times cheaper than Sony E mount 10-18 (where I live) and is optically better in some regards….
The real defeat will come from Samsung if they outsell Sony, Pentax, Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus, Canon and Nikon. The thing is Samsung just may do so if they repeat what they did with TV then with Smartphones. Now they can focus on photo and again wipe out the Japanese.
I think 15-20 years down the road, Canon will be a lens maker only.
And you think Canon will stop making printers, security cameras, flashes, scanners, binoculars, camcorders, movie camcorders, copy machines, fax machines, printers, ink, paper, projectors, etc? ?? Sony and Canon will definitely outlast this market, which is why I’m fully invested in both and no others. Panasonic, Olympus, Fuji and Pentax will be around for, albeit very niche. Samsung will be interesting to watch….
I was talking digital photography, easy doc.
You must be pretty stupid and desperate. A defeat for the 2 biggest camera makers? I’ve heard this 100x before. Save it troll. Nikon designs their sensors and Sony manufacturers them. That’s why Nikon gets so much more out of the same sensor. Go take some pics of your cat jackass. You should have been swallowed.
‘Nikon designs their sensors and Sony manufacturers them’
That’s why Nikon is behind Sony in video. The video expertise is not at Nikon. In photos, it is only a matter of time.
Haha only a matter of time?
People in this forum must be drunk.
Look at sales figures and you will see Nikon and Canon outsell Sony 10 to 1 on the camera gear front (bodies, lenses, flashes).
Yet it’s always about putting the big two out of business and NEVER about the art of photography when I read these Sony forums. This what will always separate the Sony gear heads from the true photographers.
I’m sure all the pros that make their money with Nikon and Canon are worried about Sony releasing a new body.
Such a joke.
A year from now, if Sony decides to pull the rug out from under Nikon and Canon and stops supplying sensors what then? Chaos for Canon and Nikon. Think about it.
Why would a pro “worry” about a company releasing a new body? Seems like you’re the one that’s drunk. If a new body brings something to the table that a pro can make use of, they’ll use it.
canon and nikon outsell sony in terms of camera? so? sony has so many business, lol.
Ancient history, Nikon uses Sony full frame sensor in the D600 and D800 series. Designed, manufactured and sold by Sony and no one else. You are the stupid and desperate one, do some research and avoid looking like an idiot.
The only thing Nikon gets more of is money from the dimwits that buy their products. You for instance.
And CI Sales.
Nikon designs their own software and maybe the processor but Sony designs and builds the sensor. Your argument doesn’t hold water because you are saying that both companies use the same sensor therefore you are also saying that Sony is using Nikon designed sensors in their cameras. I have to say, no, negative, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS.
Nikon don’t design their sensors….at all…. They simply use 3rd party sensors and apply their own in camera processing technology…
And even that isn’t their own, it’s based on a Fujitsu sourced image processor.
I’m pretty sure Sony currently uses their own processor (although it might be based on something from Fuji – I have no idea).
Of course Fuji is an expert when it comes to signal processing. That’s what pushed them into the industry (like with Sony, who started as sensor manufacturer). They provide chips for Nikon, Pentax, Leica, Sigma and a lot (maybe most) of compact-only manufacturers.
Canon, as usual, decided to make everything by themselves. 😀
This is a very common situation in complex manufacturing. Every car maker outsources certain parts and assemblies.
The sensor division of Sony is a commercial supplier of manufacturing components.
The camera manufacturer is a consumer electronics division.
These are two separate LOBs. Sony makes very nice components, and other manufacturers of consumer products may outsource such parts. This division of Sony is not in competition with Canon or Nikon or Toyota or Mitsubishi or Fujitsu; they are a commercial supplier.
The consumer electronics division of course is in competition with Nikon. However, supplier contracts are entities unto themselves, and there is no way the commercial wholesale supplier business will risk its profits with its customers just to “help out” the consumer products division; they risk losing large customer accounts otherwise.
Those who don’t understand this fundamental business difference and think it’s all just a first world consumer toy war between brands have a misguided view of things.
I agree….But there are always politics involved..Which is why Sony are pushing their Pro Full frame mirror less technology as it is a space in the market that is all their own….
First of all: yes, they design some of their sensors.
In current lineup:
Nikon: D7100, Df, D4s
Sony: D3300, D5300, D610, D750, D810.
If you look by segment (N – Nikon, S – Sony)
D3100 (N), D3200 (N), D3300 (S)
D5100 (S), D5200 (N), D5300 (S)
D7000 (S), D7100 (N)
but also:
D3 (N), D3X (S), D3S (N), D4(N)
So what basically happens is: Nikon takes the best sensor available. If they can make something significantly better than current Sony’s offer, they do. If not, they don’t bother (it costs less to buy a component).
Lets look at DxO scores.
Current Sony 24 MPx gets 82-83 points (D3300, D5300, A77, a6000).
However, the sensor in D5200 (designed by Nikon, manufactured by Toshiba) got 84. Sony at that point (NEX-6) was 6 points behind (almost 1 EV in dynamic range).
But in 2013 Sony caught up and Nikon decided to use their sensor instead.
So the moral of the story is: the rumors of Sony being a superior sensor designer are premature. 😛
Sony wins again. For Canon and Nikon: “If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em,”
A sensor built by Sony != a sensor designed by Sony. To Nikon, Sony is like TSMC or Global Foundries to AMD, Nvidia and others. Nikon designs sensors, Sony builds them to Nikons specifications. D810 doesn’t have a Sony sensor, it has a sensor built by Sony. Thats is a huge difference!
I love my A65 and plan to get a FF A-mount camera, or maybe a FF E-mount camera, once the lens selection begins to un-suck, but lets not pretend here that a D810 somehow has the same sensor as A7r, because it doesn’t, not even close. Or that A55 had the same sensor as D7000, again, not even close. The only things that are similar between the two are the origin of silicon, place where that silicon was processed, robots that worked on that silicone and brand name on the back of the sensor. Sony is just a manufacturing subcontractor.
If this is correct Sony will pretty much own the camera market…
YES! A grown and sexy Nikon body for grown and sexy people. Leave the E-mount Sony’s for the kids.
A fetish over camera bodies? To each their own I guess…
Thanks! I’ll take that E-Mount!
You sound like a size queen buying dildos
Lenses and flashes are nikon and canons territory ways ahead of sony and uncomressed raw format files true 14 bit….if they get the sensors from sony….it will be more difficult for sony to give them their final punch and taking the lead…..most pros are invested in canon and some in nikon if not even medium format hassy,p1….not as eays for sony as it seems if they sell sensors to them and do not use their best ones only for their native cameras!!!!
For me the wrong decision from sony but probably hey could generate more money if not exclusively using the best sensors soleyl for them……..
Real flash units run on 12vAC.
120v AC. Real typists are not me
Or 240v, depending on your location on the globe 😉
My main interest is landscape photography my typical bag contains the following, a Nikon D810 , Nikon14-24mm F/2.8 , Sigma 35mm F/1.4 , Sigma 50mm F/1.4 and the 200mm F4 micro {for macro or to isolate something in the landscape }. All are excellent performers the only Sony FE lens that competes with any of this kit is the 55mm which is broadly on par with the Sigma
I bought an A7r with the very good 55mm F/1.8 as a lightweight alternative, after trying out my main landscape lenses on adapters I very quickly came to the conclusion that the weight
saving of the A7R body compared to the Nikon when averaged out over my camera bag
was pretty much irrelevant. Combine this with the limitations of the A7r {the
a7r is very much a “first gen” model} and the bottom line is that for my
intended use the D810 is simply a more rounded workhorse.
For my typical social photography or out and about the Sony in cahoots with the 35mm F/2.8 { my favourite combo} does a great job in a small package. However if like most DSLR
shooters you use a selection of lenses the weight saving spread over the kit is not that big a deal, alas the laws of physics apply to FF mirrorless lenses the weight of similar focal length/aperture lenses is much the same.
Nikon will probably sell at least 10x the number of high end FF cameras that Sony will so selling sensors to them is smart business.
I don’t care how many Nikon will sell. I want the best camera for my needs (both video and photos) and Sony provide it in a compact size. DxO.com rate the A7r at 95, it’s enough for me. 🙂
Oops, watch out! Vlad says Dxo is untrustworthy! Or is that only when they say that nikon does a better job….
Lol at the cheap shot. Please, don’t put words in my mouth.
You should clarify your position on them!
Done that countless times.
DXO is untrustworthy.
DXO doesn’t use real testing figures. They calculate them. The D810 trounces the Sony system. Here’s some real testing data.
The A7r with the 55mm F1.8 ZA costs about the same amount as the D810 body alone and offers equal performance for landscape photography as the D810 & Sigma 50mm F/1.4 with significant weight savings. For a buyer not already dedicated to the Nikon system is a great alternative with little or no compromise.
And the new version will likely have 5 Axis IBIS which the Nikon never will and still be significantly cheaper.
14 bit is a huge compromise.
Astigmatism inherent in the A7r is another huge compromise.
Shutter shock is a huge compromise.
Lack of support at Sony is a major compromise.
Well, if you are using Nikon lenses on your a7r, you sure won’t find much of a difference in weight.
That’s the issue hear isn’t it. To see any significant difference you have to step-up and completely engage in the FE system. Simple dipping a toe in and complaining is like adding broccoli to a poor diet and wondering why your cholesterol is still in the crapper.
Speaking of crappers. If photographers are so concerned about weight they should take a big dump before they go out to shoot. The 3-4lbs will more than make up for the extra weight of a pro Nikon bag vs a Sony.
Oh mighty Sony adviser , perhaps you can point out where I may find an FE mount 14-24mm F/2.8 or 35mm F/1.4 or 50mm F/1.4 and of course a 200mm F/4 macro lens. All smaller than my current options and just as good . Other than the 35mm FE pancake there is no significant weight saving on any of the Sony FE lenses { the 35mm also costs 3x the price of the Canon 40mm pancake , heck it is 50% more than the Canon 35mm F/2 which has IS} .You cannot beat physics as the focal length increases any saving in weight of mirrorless lenses covering the same format reduces to insignificant very quickly. The Sony 70-200mm F/4 is only 10g lighter than the Nikon version.
What a bunch of nonsense. First, there’s no need to beat physics. The Sony 16-35 F4 is 100 grams lighter than the Canon equivalent and even more (160) than Nikon’s. I guess they beat physics? Second, as usual, Sony needs to best everything out there at the same time. It should have Nikon’s equivalents, but also Canon’s pancakes’ size and price? Something else? Third, it is a new system and we have yet to see what lenses will be available. I merely pointed out that when using Nikon lenses with an adapter one shouldn’t expect any relevant gain. You need to adjust your lenses too and you can actually use that Canon pancake with an adapter and have a very light and compact setup.
You mention the weight and size difference, but don’t mention quality of image. I compared the Sony Zeiss 16-35mm and 24-70mm on my A7R to the Nikkor 16-35mm and 24-70mm on my D800E, and they are just not as good.
I don’t have an axe to grind. I use both Sony and Nikon systems, and the two Sony Zeiss primes I have are excellent. However, so far, the Sony Zeiss zooms haven’t matched any of my Nikkor zooms.
Yes, you’re better with the Nikon. If willing to dump all the Nikon gear and use the Sony and its native FE glass you would see a vast weight saving. But that’s an issue with you’re logic and not Sony’s system.
Could you point me in the direction of the replacement lenses I should be looking at that cover the same focal lengths, aperture ranges and image quality.
I too shoot almost exclusively landscapes.
For this you may want af, but you certainly don’t need it. So I use a set of Leica lenses (actually: Minolta M-Rokkor, designed by Leica and sold under both brands for the CL and CLE cameras).
My Nex7 (still waiting for the 40+ mp body instead of the a7r; in the meantime I stitch like crazy) plus three lenses (15 voigtlander, 28 40 and 90 Minolta) takes the same space and less than the weight of just the body of my old Canon 5D Mark II! Even when I carry along my Zeiss, instead, I still have a much smaller package to carry.
And the weight saving just starts here, because now for one-day long hikes I’ve been able to ditch the backpack as well, and I’m carrying just a “thigh pack” (like a funny pack, but attached to the leg) with camera and emergency gear + the tripod strapped along my chest. My guess I’ve cut at the very least 3 or 4 Kg off my shoulders.
Bottom line, I don’t care if the next big thing in terms of mp will be branded Canon, Nikon or Sony, as long I will still be able to use on it the lenses I want. Being able to freely swap lenses between systems reminds me too much of my beloved (but now long time sold) large format cameras.
The Nikon combo you mentioned is spot on, and I agree with your sentiments about the A7r being first gen. But what a fantastic first gen the A7r is. I sold all my Nikon gear for the A7r (one third of the price of the antiquated D810), and never regretted it. I still have a Nikon 85mm 1.8 that I use with a Metabones adapter, but also have the flexibility by using my Canon 70-200mm F4 IS (can’t do that trick on a Nikon).
I also purchased the Sony/Zeiss 16-35mm F4 OSS (filter compatible, unlike the Nikon 14-24mm), and the Sony 55mm 1.8, which is incredibly sharp.
The A7r is an absolute winner, and Sony are on a roll with their mirrorless development. I can’t wait for the A9, which will no doubt come with IBIS as well.
J
I don’t understand, why landscape shooters always want high megapixel cameras and super wide lenses?!
Most of my landscapes are stitched. I prefer prime lenses from 28mm to 85mm, some even with 180mm.
With stitched images you can get any(!!) resolution you want and any angle of view as well. I started stitching with the Nikon D70 about ten years ago to get large prints from that 6MP sensor. I had the D3 and the 14-24 and many more Nikkors and sold them and canceled the order for the D800.
Today I like the Sony A7R and get images of up to 50,000 MPixel, who needs more? ok. may be Andreas Gursky :-))
BTW: focusing on the great live view finder of the A7R is so much superior than on any DSLR finder.
Interjecting sound logic, that won’t do sir!
And your stitching workflow includes what programs and techniques? I, for one, would like to know… not just because I agree with you, but I want to learn more, which may be better for me.
the topic is not stitching, so here is a very short explanation:
* use RAW (do WB in PP later)
* shoot all in manual (focus and exposure)
* try to keep the front lens (witch is close to the nodal point) on about the same position and move the camera body, don’t move the camera around your body!!
* if you have close foreground you may need a special panorama head (i used Panosaurus long time ago)
* do main PP for one picture with the typical part and synchronize all other images (very easy in LR)
* I have an export setting for pano images in LR for TIF files
* use any stitching program, I use the free ICE from MS on Windows most
of the time (is the fastest one), if ICE can not do it, I use PTGui or
sometimes PS
* reimport the result in LR and do the final PP
this is very fast, I need a few minutes for a 10 or 20 images pano
try it and have fun, you will like it
dierk
Thank you.
You say you never understood why people want high megapixel cameras, and then add you have a Sony A7R. Eh???
I love large prints and therefor high megapixel for situations, where I can not stitch like portraits for example.
I wrote “why landscape shooters always want high megapixel cameras”
that means landscape shooters! I did stitched landscape shots fife years ago with the tiny Leica D-Lux (10 MP) and up to 200 images per photograph and about 800 MPixel large for the Gigapan project.
http://gigapan.com/gigapans?order=by_size&categories=&since=&query=dierk&submit=Go
Yes, I know you said landscape shooters. I didn’t think I needed to reiterate that, as that was what you were talking about. The contradiction still stands though.
The interview with Canon show they are pretty dismissive or Mirror-less….Great news for Sony!
The high quality Zeiss lenses is what got me Into Sony system. Sony should make more high quality Zeiss lenses. It kicks the butt out of Canon L lenses and Nikkor lenses lol.
Sony should take more advantage of their partnership with Zeiss because the Zeiss name is the one putting Sony ahead of the game quality wise. They should have more Zeiss lens sales and Sony camera and Zeiss lens combo deal.
Canon and Nikon lenses have nothing to compare with Zeiss quality lenses. Professionals who are looking for superior quality image should totally go for Zeiss. Just take a look at Zeiss Otus 85mm f1.4 with the Sony A7R. It is so easy to focus with the focus peaking feature combined with the electronic viewfinder. If you compare it to the traditional and old ways of the optical viewfinder, EVF is far more superior and it can’t be denied.
Oh, I’m sure there’ll be someone along in a minute who’ll state that an EVF is not superior to an OVF… 😉
You can buy Zeiss lenses for Canon and nikon and they actually work better!
Better?? How do you figure that?!?
Work better… LOL
Really, good luck focussing those 85/1.4’s with your f/2.8 optimized VF. Again, if you’d tried, you’d understand………….
I guess on Christmas the ratio of fanboys to normal people grows on such sites. That would explain most of the comments here. 😀
You do understand that – while MF lenses have no AF motors – the focus confirmation works as usual?
And a manual lens with a EVF that has a magnify option lets you see exactly what you are focusing on and what the DOF area really looks like. Never shot so many wide open portraits in my life.
There is an ease of use with the Sony and EVF. But my hit rates are equally high with the Nikon and viewfinder and the results are ALWAYS noticeably better. After shooting the Nikon for a month most Sony photos look fuzzy to me now. Add in all of the Sony color issues and it’s not even close.
Have you heard of live view focusing? Most people who “tried” do “understand”!
Done through the viewfinder –
Zeiss has great lenses. Nikon, too. 200/2, 85/1.4 is very nice, as is 85/1.8G (price/performance ratio), for example. Fact is, you pay for quality. Cheap, fast Zeiss lenses are rare and mostly manual focussing (not s.th. wedding or sport photographers prefer). http://www.lenscore.org shows a nice list, including many top Canikon lenses. Nevertheless the 135/1.8 Sony/Zeiss or 55/1.8 are two of my favourites, along many Nikon primes (85/1.8G, 20mm/1.8G very good price/performance).
The Zeiss Otus 85mm was the final straw and why I switched to Nikon – the Sony A7r showed all of its flaws with this lens. On the Nikon D810 the Otus shines. BTW – the best of the Zeiss lenses ARE made for Nikon and Canon. Not Sony.
Sony never came close to this with A7r.
This just validates my purchases in Sony gear 🙂 thanks
I have never had more fun taking pictures on my A7.
And another fgt confirmed taking up @ss Sony lenses of wobblyness.
If you’re going to troll, do it with style… this is not dpreview/youtube you know?
HULK hulks, not trolls. Has strong dislike of trolls
Because you know style?
I have it… i also know how to register a username because I’m not a noob LOL
To b honest HULK like smash wobblyness lens up his green as too. SMASH SMASH SMASH HULK HAPPY.
HULK announce: No longer think Nikon is elite, if puny or inferior, SMASH! HULK professional, fair evaluator before SMASH. HULK hope Sony become less wobbly and less for @nus lovers in future so not always SMASH! HULK hope for new year.
we need punitive psychiatry here.
My bet is the Canons will have their own sensor… they’ve been experimenting higher res (>=40) sensors since 2009. The 5D3 got a 22mp sensor because during the great 5D2 vs. D700 war, the Nikon fanboys said their dream camera is a low 20ish MP body (because 12MP was already “more than what people needed” lol) with D700-like slick AF (unlike 5D2’s AF). They got what they wanted… only through Canon. Suddenly 36MP became the acceptable minimum after the d800 😀
My money is not on sony… until I see native 85mm and 135mm prime lenses, but by then I may already invest into medium format….
My money is on a bank
There are two links to Japanese interviews, and anyone here understands Japanese? And they both (Canon&Nikon) confirm in it they will be releasing a 50 MP cam anytime soon? Nah, call me a skeptic… rumor site that is..
Even if they actually manage to release those cameras for real, I’m quite sure that the price will not possibly right to compete with Sony offering. This because a DSLR it is way more complicated to assemble and project, and has many many more pieces that have to work together in strict tolerances.
In comparison, a mirrorless has just a dozen major components that apparently don’t require that much calibration (after all you see the image straight from the sensor, not the image sent to you from a mirror, projected onto a plastic screen and passed through a prism…)
That is, unless they plan to start a mirrorless offer (not the crap, IMHO, they have tried to pass as such up to till now like V1 or Eos M)
Exactly, manufacturing an SLR is much more expensive and complicated than a mirrorless.
Which makes one wonder why mirrorless such as EM1 and XT1 cost so much.
It seems only Sony is passing mirrorless cost savings on to customers. Hence, they will continue to enjoy expanding market share in the genre.
It is disappointing that the industry is looking to increase megapixels in Bayer sensors, rather than design much improved 1:1 sensors. Since Bayer sensors are subject to interpolation (estimating 2/3rds of the information) and thus do not resolve at their stated resolution, companies apparently will be getting into a megapixel race. However, most lenses don’t even resolve 36mp center to corner – so what is the point.
At lower ISO settings, the DP Merrills have better pixel-level image quality than the A7r and D810, despite having less than half the pixel count.
With 50 megapixels, at which aperture will diffraction set in? Perhaps people will struggle to get sharp shots centre to corner due to diffraction setting in before the optimal aperture.
Improve on 1:1 sensors – that should be the future, not Bayer and Bayer-like sensors, which are subject to mushy details, artifacts, and not as good micro contrast.
I have the DP3, and I love the way it renders images. I use it for 90% of my studio work. The other 10% are close up and headshots, which require a longer lens. This is when I will switch back to A850 with ZA135. I hope sigma releases a full frame foveon with a 100mm+ lens and I shall get rid of DSLR or any other ILC all together.
Yes, a 100mm+ lens with a full frame fovean would be fantastic. I have the DP1M and DP2M, and they are exceptional at lower ISO settings. Sadly, I think Sigma took a step in the wrong direction with the DP Quattro sensors, as it requires interpolation. I hope Sigma, or some other company, work on improving 1:1 sensors, as they are superior at lower ISO settings, and likely could be great at higher ISO settings if they put the effort into improving them.
The DP3 Merrill must be fantastic for studio work. A full frame Merrill sensor with perhaps 20 – 30 megapixels would be incredible.
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It was pretty hard to choose beteen the quatro and a6000 but the 55 1.8 won the day for now.
Yes, we’d trade the resolution for pixel size.
When 64 MP Cameras come out I’ll want the pixels 8x larger and accept a measly 8 MP 4K Video Sensor, the new ’35 mm in an MFT Mount’ Format would be great.
That should give a better gamut and more than 20 stops of DR.
Most people could not possibly use a 50 MP Camera, unless their Printer does 4′ x 8′ Prints. This will be great for some people but bigger pixels (in preference to that resolution) is what most people need (for low light, slow mo, high shutter speeds, etc.).
and just like with any other sensor, Sony will never utilize it to its maximum capability while Canon and Nikon both will have pushed the bar in terms of performance and ergonomics. Nothing new here.
Resolving detail is irrelevant, yes they do not resolve maximum detail edge to center but show me a camera platform that does and I’ll sell you my oceanfront property in Nebraska. If you haven’t been able to piece this together yourself, they after after the cropping freedom and scale-abilitynot total image detail.