EosHD accidentally leaked the NEX-5T and ILC pdf files containing the full specs:
A3000 specs (.pdf)
NEX-5T specs (.pdf)
Zeiss 16-70mm specs (.pdf)
Sony 18-105 G PZ specs (.pdf)
As I told you before the ILC has no in body IS (thee was an error on the manual). And the NEX-5T is essentially a NEX-5R with some minor upgrades. And here are the price info:
$398 Sony Alpha A3000
$548 Sony NEX-5T
$698 Sony NEX-5T with 16-50mm lens
$998 for the Zeiss 16-70mm f/4.0 lens
$598 for the Sony E PZ 18-105G lens
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NEX-3 controls on the ILC. No top/front dials. Sadface.
And the LCD still flips only up… *sigh*
The ILC does not flip up. It is a fixed screen.
just realized this cam not have top n control dial in body O.O
missing body image stabilizer to?
Opps, it is missing front and rear dial….
How can you control aperture and shutter under M mode? (I know there is a ISO button)
you press the middle button to toggle between shutter speed and aperture as you would on the NEX 5n before the top dial was introduced, its a hassle sometimes but you get use to it and right now im struggling to return to using 2 dials to control both on my 5R even after having it for 4 months
Come on guys – it’s a $300 entry level camera body, with a good APS-C sensor.
The perfect cameras for the masses. This is how you take over the market.
perfect camera for the masses? what are you smoking? people have cellphones now.
“perfect camera for the masses? what are you smoking? people have cellphones now”.
this is the perfect camera
for wait for it
for high school students taking photography
easy on the parents pocket book and good place to start
“keep it simple stupid” is a good saying for someone just starting out
my daughter used my A 700 for her classes, too much camera.
if this camera were around then i would have dropped a dime on one in a heartbeat.
That’s the lowest resolution LCD screen I’ll have seen for a while. Bit sad that you can get a compact camera for less dollars with a higher resolution screen.
I get that they are targeting the entry level side of things with the camera. But they are shortchanging themselves on the screen side of things.
yes, sad that for a lower price that people also get big sensor, interchangable lens, and an EVF…. so very sad indeed…
seriously what do people expect in this price range for an interchangeable lens camera?
I would like to know if this replaces the NEX-3n or if it will be sold alongside it…
I really can’t see how the NEX-3n will sell against this unless they drop the price very, very significantly (well, I’d much perfer the smaller 3n body myself but I would feel ripped-off). Higher-resolution, articulating LCD vs. EVF, hotshoe and 20MP sensor? No contest, really 🙁
If this is replacing the 3n then will the 5T shortly be replaced by an ILCE-5000 (explaining why the 5T upgrade is actually no such thing), and will the NEX-7 replacement actually be an ILCE-7000 (explaining why there is no NEX-7 replacement yet)?
If so then no more NEX bodies for me…
one can say that the 3n is more for people who want a smaller alternative looking camera, and can take self shots/group shots with the articulated LCD, while a3000 is more for appearing like a professional with a DSLR form. it depends where sony is heading with features in a a5xxx or a7xxx if they choose to continue down this path.
but personally i prefer the sleek look and smaller size of the NEX cameras 😀
I’m with you, PB. I’m waiting for a small form factor, as I’m not a professional but I’d like to be able to carry around a real camera (as opposed to a phone) more often. The NEX 3 line has felt too cheap to me (although I realize it’s a good entry level). The NEX 5 is still short of a built-in flash, so that’s a no-go for me. I probably should have bought the NEX 6 a year ago, but it’s too late now with all the new stuff coming out.
Awesome !! A3000 have wi-fi and NFC , really great feature for entry level camera
and the kind of missing things (for me) 1-mic in 2-front control dial 3-tilt screen
things a love about it 1-wifi/nfc 2-design 3-new sensor 4-price
450$ with kit lens will make me buy it on first day 🙂
well ILCE3000 has mode dial,nex-6 hotshoe,support remote control,starting from ISO100,
NICE sensor.
And EOSHD said $300 for body only and $398 with 18-55 kit lens.For this price it looks all right.Just LCD is soooooo awful
🙁
As far as I’m concerned it isn’t an Alpha if it doesn’t have IBIS
Well, it’s the ILC-3000 in the U.S., so it’s technically not an Alpha.
Sony NEX series are also Alpha (Except the Handycam series), and have the alpha logo.
So basically the Nex-5t is just a 5r with a firmware upgrade that should have been free for the 5r.
Quick question for someone out there;
In regards to raw support post production. I’m using aperture and they are quite slow to release raw support for cameras. Nex-5r is supported. would it be ok to presume that nex-5t would automatically be supported (without need for an update from apple) since it the same sensor etc?
They call it a DSLR in the PDF.
they’ve been calling the NEX a DSLR type camera for a long time too 😛
The EVF of the A3000 looks tiny 🙁
EOS-HD : “The A3000 is a low end camera but it does pack a new 20MP sensor. What this means for video can only be guessed at, but I’m not expecting much for a camera costing just $300 body only ($398 with the E-mount 18-55mm kit lens).”
So is that the correct US price ?
If this is US price then it is very attractive
The specs seem wrong or NEX-3N is better camera….
Bracketing – “3 continuous or single shots in 1/3 or 2/3 EV steps”??
What? How? Where is the +/-3EV?
seems like they just took a older version of the NEX 5 firmware and just modified it based on that, the folder NEX cameras had only 0.3, and 0.7 EV brakets. 🙁
I see the A3000 has a hot shoe so I wonder if that is the new Multi-interface shoe.
Meh.
For €999, I’d rather not buy the 16-70 and go for some of the Zeiss primes instead. But I’m curious how it performs – a €999 f/4 APS-C zoom should perform pretty good wide open.
I won’t buy the 16-70 at launch price but will when prices settle a bit a units start hitting the used market around the 650/600€ mark.
Dumbed down NEX handling on a DSLR type body, worst of both worlds no IBIS, few native lenses that fit, what’s the point? In a world of 4 main makers DSLR Mounts not even worth a second glance
This looks damn awful sorry but it has to be said are Sony losing it?
Good handling of a SLR, but still smaller, no mirror (neither vibration nor light loss) and an EVF and hot shoe in a cheap body.
And on top of that, there’s a whole great range of wonderful E-Mount lenses … just a few examples:
Zeiss Touit 12mm f/2.8
Zeiss Sonnar 24mm f/1.8
Zeiss Touit 32mm f/1.8
Zeiss Touit 50mm f/2.8 (soon)
Zeiss Vario-Tessar 16-70mm f/4 OSS
Sigma 19mm f/2.8
Sigma 30mm f/2.8
Sigma 60mm f/2.8
Sony 20mm f/2.8 Pancake
Sony 30mm f/3.5 macro
Sony 35mm f/1.8 OSS
Sony 50mm f/1.8 OSS
Sony 10-18mm f/4
Sony 18-105mm f/4 PZ OSS
Sony 18-200 f/3.5-6.3 OSS (various versions)
And many more. I don’t get the people who still say there are not enough lenses. Sure, some tele lenses and longer primes are missing, but that line-up is far from ‘few native lenses’ …
$598 for the Sony E PZ 18-105G lens
wow…….!!!!!!!!!!
It’s not a camera for you. There are other cameras that Sony has available that may be better for you. Or maybe some unannounced cameras will be more to your liking. This seems to be a nice, low cost camera body and lens kit for people who want a SMALL DSLR type body. Those people don’t want to spend a lot and if this camera performs, then they’re getting a pretty good deal. Why does every Sony product have to please everyone. It’s clear that you’re not the target for this camera. It doesn’t mean Sony does not have a plan.
A lot of people deride the A58 here in SAR. Yet a photographer such as Gary Friedman thinks highly of that model. Again, different strokes for different folks. Choice is good.
EXACTLY ! Worst of both worlds is what I’ve been saying all along !! And don’t forget, people will be fooled thinking they buy a Rebel alternative… and end up with NEX AF speed. Oh the joke…
The point is the price – and the “DSLR look” which some people seem to want
Has anyone noticed how small that EVF looks on the A3000
http://i.imgur.com/nO92KEn.jpg
No one seems to have noticed the quiet 50/1.8 now in black!
Damn! I want that now!
Yeah, wanna retire my silver 50mm that looks outright ugly on my EA50 (and black 3N) and get the new black 50mm!
You can buy an A57 still for £350 (only 50 more) has IBIS, has much higher res lcd, supports all A Mount lenses, iiso hot shoe, decent controls and well you worked it out. Why bother with this lame offering?
Seriously someone needs to get rid of the camera division at Sony they are clueless noobs
For the millionth time, you can’t compare the price of a run-out model (or even model that had been out for a while) to a model that is just launching. This camera is CHEAP. It is a NEX-3n with hotshoe, mode dial and EVF instead of a slightly better LCD. Plus it packs WiFi and NFC!
I can’t believe the amount of complaints for such a cheap camera – NO it ISN’T for you! But it is a brilliant move by Sony.
Uhh, that is a tiny viewfinder “ocular”
I’m wondering why $999 for the 16-70 Zeiss if the 18-105 is the same f4 but $599. I understand the Zeiss is 2mm wider but is it really $400 for the Zeiss branding? That much better optically?
We’ll know soon enough.
Well, the Zeiss is much smaller and has a much higher maximum magnification (.23 vs .11), which are two huge reasons why it’s preferable for many over the G zoom. Optical performance will show whether it’s worth €400 more or not.
To me it’s better by the size alone. The G zoom is as big as a DSLR lens, defies the compacity concept altogether…
I hope Sony spends a ton of money marketing the a3000 and sells a million of them so that they can pay the engineers to give me my a77 firmware upgrades……
$599 for the 18-105 PZ! That’s about €449, which means it’s probably gonna sell for €499 here. Still quite a bit lower than I thought. Need it by wednesday, too bad it won’t ship until mid-november 🙁
Very nice but no mention of sensor shift IBIS or even Sony Steady Shot Inside for either camera.
All the zooms start at f4. I guess that is why they don’t cost much.
The majority of lenses for both of these cameras have OSS. Get it?
Yes, I get it. Sony doesn’t care if you want to use large aperture legacy glass with IS. Sounds like YOU don’t get it.
a3000 has a fixed LCD screen and no IBIS? Wow. That’s a huge fail on Sony’s part. Sony has always been known to have unique articulated tilt/swivel screens.
well,$300 body only.
Well, considering that they left it off from some of the lower end Alpha SLTs, it is not unprecedented. But yeah, crap quality LCD, no swivel, crap controls on a dlsr-like body… It is looking like a huge failure for me unfortunately. A real shame!
Everyone is ALWAYS banging on about ‘No EVF = No sale’ – they traded the tilt screen for an EVF on an entry model… ENTRY model. Now you can CHOOSE between tilt screen 3n or EVF ILC-3000. Then they added a hotshoe, WiFi, NFC and mode dial.
No compare against E-PM2 or NEX-3n (the only competition in this bracket).
I don’t understand who the ILC is meant for. I thought it would have e NEX-7 type controls as a “bridge” camera.
for people who are buying into “DSLRs” but are on limited budgets and smaller sizes. the NEX does not look like a DSLR
No eye sensor on the EVF eh? I guess that’s fair since nobody would want to use the LCD screen for anything except to shit on Sony’s design decisions.
Sony did a good job on a3000,with $300 BODY give you almost everything,and that’s even cheaper than the crap NEX-3N.
The 3N is only crap if you’re a crap photographer. I have one and it’s frigging brilliant for the price/size.
This is part of a master plan . I can see it now .Imagine after the NEX FF thy make a version of it in DSLR form( With stabilisation ) like this.snap snap your at a party tidy lil nex primes or pancake lense . Off to africa better pack the alpha adaptor an the 70 400 snap snap, nice grip and balance .At a footy came shit the EOS has staked it add the pro lense via adaptor to the Sony . Their heading us in the right diection before cannon catches up as it keeps limiting its advancement to make sure other camras in its line are compeating against eachother sony will have unlocked the lense monopoly .
I would also not be suprised if their is not a NEX mount with a sensor that attaches to the front of a phone somday if thy sell lots of the new on phone camra units .Their testing the water with the current line .
The 3000 comes almost for free! What do you moaners want?
Plus it does not have mirror, which means that IQ will be better than all current Sony APSc offering.
Watch and learn…
meh, no swivel or tilt LCD too.. far better nex
you need to paid higher price for hotshoe,wifi,nfc and mode dial too!
Remember that Nex-3n didn’t have these things.
Nor even an optional (and expensive) EVF.
at least nex 3n have tilt lcd
at least a3000 has evf, that sort of thing don’t come for free
SOny is such a confusing and confused company. Camera sku re-releases with a feature or two that few if any ever asked for. People have been clamoring for this G zoom for a while now and they release it, the price is right, but it’s almost so big and bulky as to be unusable on the majority of the cameras that will take it. They could have dropped the power zoom, shaved considerable weight, dropped the price a bit more and had a solid gold winner on their hands.
I want the power zoom for videos. In the 18-200 power zoom, the power zoom can be disabled. I hope that the 18-105 works the same way. The price is right and the people shooting videos will like this lens. Besides, it seems to be a little smaller than the 55-200mm
This thing is going to sell like hotcakes. Just in time for Christmas. IBIS would have been great, but Wi-fi and hot shoe are a big plus.
I have to crack up with people that say there are no lenses. The E-mount is not even 3 years old and not only is the Sony/Zeiss line close to mature, but add in Sigma and Rokinon there really isn’t a lens I want that I can’t have. Throw on an adapter and you can use basically any lens ever made. But somehow people still complain about the lack of lenses. Lol!
Why do folks make such a big deal of the hotshoe ?! This is aimed at total newbies who wouldn’t even know what to do with one… They’ll never use an external flash, let alone a mic. I don’t see the point. Plus the old hotshoe worked fine enough, either with Minolta units, or with a cheapo adapter for universal flashes. I use my Nikon SB-600 on my NEX bodies and never had an issue.
NO FLASH SYNC SPEED listed in the spec sheet.
How can you have a spec sheet that doesn’t list the flash sync speed?
Why does Sony abandon the most basic fundamentals of photography? They just ignore them.
This is no camera company. They are destroying the good Alpha name. Nothing about this is an Alpha.
oh my.. missing flash sync speed to? maybe they hidden it because the flash sync speed can reach minimal up to 1/4000 😀
Constant whining about the flash problem… seriously, I wonder why you’re still shooting with a Sony camera if flash is a crucial part in your photography. Spend less energy in your life to be such a negative individual…
They’re going for Panasonic strategy with that MSRP. They could have priced it more like Fuji, but decided it would be a niche product. Just sad.
Besides, I realised that the Zeiss zoom is exactly the same size (± 1 mm in both dimensions) and weight (± 5 g) as the Panasonic 12-35 mm f2.8. The Fuji 18-55 mm f2.8-4 is about 5 mm less in each dimension, and weights exactly the same.
There’s still the Oly zoom specs to come, and then we’ll have 4 high quality standard zooms for mirrorless cameras. Oly 12-40 mm f2.8 will be a bit bigger, though.
(regarding pricing, I was talking about the zeiss zoom)
That is what is so great about the new Zeiss zoom. It has a much larger range than the Panny 12-35, as well as an approximately “equivalent” aperture (due to sensor size differences,) and it has a much larger range than the Fuji zoom, too, yet it is still relatively small.
Too bad on indoor it is limited by smaller aperture. (half shutter speed of F2.8)
Ah, and the ILC also lacks the “recently” introduced PDAF subsystem of the NEX line? damn…
Wouldn’t do a speck of difference, either, PDAF on NEX is placebo effect as it finest 😉
The ILC-3000 seems to be priced at the same level (or maybe lower) than the 3N. The 3N is a capable camera, so for people who are interested in image making first and foremost, this camera may do the trick (as a backup camera, easier to grip NEX compatible, etc.). Clearly, this is not a high end model so people who wanted all the features for cheap may actually have to wait a little longer for a camera better suited for their desires.
So this should be about $799 with 18-105mm f4? Steal.
This new A3000 makes a TON of sense. The Rebel is still the top of the heap in the DSLR world, since the large majority of buyers buy small DSLRs and only a kit zoom. By taking a mirrorless camera that has fewer moving parts than a DSLR, shaping it like a DSLR, and making it super cheap, I think it’ll be a no-brainer for the beginners at places like Best Buy who are looking to upgrade from point and shoot cameras. Wise move on Sony’s part.
Plus, why does this camera need IBIS? Many of the e-mount lenses have SSS in them already. I think it was wise to save the money.
A E-Mount DSLR shaped camera is realy needed in Sony’s product line, or at least an entry level one unless the Alpha line is being done away with.
As for IBIS the there are a couple of good reasons:
1. Lens cost lens – Alpha Strategy
2. Lens are lighter and simplers, less things to go wrong
3. IS on every lens not just OSS lenses – Alpha Strategy
4. Want better IS no need to purchase all new lenses just upgrade the body – Alpha Strategy
4. No Alpha or Minolta Lens has IS
5. Olympus 5-Axis and Panasonic 2-Axis both exist in their highend mirrorless cameras
Actual Reason
With IBIS the easily adapted legacy lenses become a better option for more people. I own around 5 35mm lenses in varrying mounts, I’m fine with manual focus but I purchased the SEL35F18 for the OSS. The OM-D showed how well IBIS can be in still but more so Video. There is a market of NEX users which exclusively use adapted glass.
Gh—Quit making so much sense. You are only allowed to come here to bash the camera because it’s not the right one for you because for god’s sake every one should want the same thing’s you want in a camera:)
If, as the “leaked” spec sheet indicates, this ILCE-3000 truly has WiFi, that might partly make up for the low-res screen by enabling one to use their “Retina”-class smartphone screen as a view screen. Might also slightly make up for the lack of a pivoting screen. That last apparent omission is probably the one I am least pleased by, as an actual potential buyer of this camera.
The final big question is this: is the purported $399 price for the camera with kit lens, and is that USD? And… when will it be available.
I guess/hope we will know all the actual facts in just a few hours now.
And then I can make my own humble decision… NEX-3N or this new ILCE-3000 (or a3000, or whatever it is really called).
have you considered getting a NEX 5 series instead? you get a higher ISO expansion of 25600, flip screen which is touch (handy for selectively focusing), and an additional dial to control things with, which is handy sometimes but is a bit different from the 5N and i’ve never quite adjusted to it because i own both
having a 5R and wireless with the remote shooting, to be honest its not that great, there is a bit of lag (which has been improved lately through updates in app), you lack controls and it takes a while to connect (which might be a lot easier with NFC) but i would still prefer a 5 over a 3
Guys, the specs are lackluster, but you have to consider the price. Competitors, like the Canon SL1 and Panasonic G6, even though a little better in specs, cost twice as much. You may have no use for this camera, but it should be very attractive to first time buyers.
+1, its a entry level camera for entry level people, would’ve liked to see a higher burst rate which can make ILCE more attractive over a rebel
There’s a flaw in the A3000 spec. It shows height as 2 9/32. That’s not taller than the E-mount on a NEX 5N. So it doesn’t match the shape of the A3000.
But the A3000 and NEX 5T both list “Continuous Live View” as a feature of the LCD. If this is true, it’s a cool new feature.
isn’t continuous live view just normal NEX display? basically always showing on the screen what the lens is seeing which is what all mirrorless cameras do? 😛
Normally on a NEX, even if you turn off the image preview, there is a brief black period from when the photo is taken until the camera is done processing and storing the image to the card. The brief black period interferes with tracking moving objects by eye (i.e. children, dogs, etc.).
“$398 Sony Alpha A3000
$548 Sony NEX-5T”
I wonder why they feel they can charge 40% MORE for the camera without a viewfinder and with lower pixel count (which, well, counts in the market)?
NEX 5T has a much higher res screen that flips up, and has touch control; A3000 screen is fixed, lower res and is not touch sensitive. 5T has an upper control dial, and comes with the PZ pancake kit lens vs the 18-55 on the A3000. 5T has the hybrid focus system, the A3000 is contrast only; and 5T has 99 focus points (due to phase detect focus ability) vs 25 on the A3000. 5T has 10 fps continuous shooting speed vs 3.5 fps.
5T is smaller.
Not sure if any of that is worth the price difference to you. For some it will be, for others, not.
Actually, the $548 for the 5T is for body only. The price with lens is $698. The A3000 includes the 18-55 lens for $398. Makes the “real” price difference even greater.
First real world samples posted on Dyxum courtesy of Gustav AKA DukeOfDutch:
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/19-pictures-a3000-zeiss1670-f4_topic100871_post1203884.html#1203884
looks pretty good! the new zeiss looks to work pretty well on the 20mpx sensor! 😀