The complex sensor design you see on top is part of a newly published Sony patent (http://www.google.com/patents/US20140160334). Sony plans to fix the rolling shutter problem by introducing a new sensor technology which can read entire lines of pixels in batches of 4 simultaneously.
There are also more benefits coming along this tech: Noise is reduced and dynamic range increased.
Here a video from the rolling shutter problem on the A7s:
A7s Rolling shutter and YES, Speedooster test!! from Philip Bloom Reviews & Tutorials on Vimeo.
P.S.: Thanks Cherryl for finding and sharing the patent!
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1st blood! ^^
Hmmm yes, I see what you’re saying, but could you elaborate?
He’s saying he’s played dota way too much
The lobotomy didn’t work it seems..
Get your own screenname A$$H01E.
Yeah, animalsbybarry. You aren’t nearly as good a troll as me, the real animalsbybarry!
No, I’m animalsbybarry! Wait, let me Google some conversations on other sites quickly so I can aggregate them into a post here so it looks like it’s all my knowledge.
You are an a$$hole pretendig to be me but you cant duplicate my avatar.
Your an A$$hole.
Seriously?! Come on guys. You may not like Barry. That’s your prerogative, but this getting pretty immature and excessive. Can we stop with all the petty stuff please? And this pointless “look at me, I posted first” crap.
Cool!!!
Awesome! A7s MKII?
I hope it, too 🙂
The shutter improvement will primarily aid video but also increase the likelihood of electronicshutters in new cameras.
Canon rumors are curently about new dual pixel focus evelution..as well as 3 more newly published stacked sensor patents.
It seems we may see a new foveon like mirrorless canon camera anounced on sept 5..?
I am wonderin how and when Sony will respond to this and what sort of resolution we will see in both systems new sensors?
On the long lens front Sigma seems to possibly be on track to make a new 300-600..
There is also some early chatter about a high quality 100-300 f4 ?
I have on several ocasions reccomended the Dotline DL-V9…however mine just fell apart…the entire weight is supported by a single srew and the treads ripped out rendering it useless and not repairable.
I just ordered the Cotton Carrier Steady Shot plus vest and 2 side holsters.
I think this will be a better system and more durable.
I no longer reccomend the Dotline product because the construction is far too flimsy to withstand normal use.
Please don’t take this the wrong way Barry, but why do you talk about stuff not related to the SAR posts you are commenting on so often?
There are plenty of other forums available for posts like this, where you can discuss whatever topics you wish. We are mostly adults here, and can research these other things for ourselves, if we are interested.
This isn’t meant to be insulting, this is a genuine enquiry.
As you point out most of us are adults and should be capable of choosing what we read.
Some of these comments are timely and there is no better place to post…and one is a product I reccomended that I wish to unreccomend before anyone else buys one.
Are you saying we should ignore all your posts? Does that not defeat the object of posting? There are numerous ‘better places to post’ your thoughts on stuff unrelated to the threads here.
I hoped you would actually give my comment more consideration, but I guess I should have expected the normal ‘I don’t care’ response.
Oh well.
You have forgotten one thing, Barry NEEDS to be right all the time and show all the simpletons on the site how he is far smarter than everyone here. Don’t forget he gets inside info direct from sony managers. Stuff not even SAR gets. All bow down to Barry the brilliant! Lest ye be attacked by him for being a bully.
Its so simple I thought you would understand without an explaination.
I what I say interests you read it.
If what I say does not interest you….don’t.
Yup, you will hear this same kind of justification from spammers too.
More ‘I don’t care’, and you insult my intelligence too.
Have you ever considered how bullish your behaviour is?
No, he appears to have no idea at all how he sounds. I have tried to make him aware in the past, to no avail, and now I am left ignoring all of his posts.
you are right, but he is also. Now, since all of us have read this diagram and the information about it, and since all of us understand perfectly how all this works, since the diagram reveals all to us, let’s start talking about what it is, what is right and what is wrong in it.
You will understand, when you try to open a discussion on this, that just a few people with skills and knowledge in the field will be able to discuss on it, some will join that simulate to have some knowledge, and that’s it.
The information we got in this post from SAR is informative enough without the diagram from which 99.9% understand nuts. Myself can read the diagram, since I am in RF technology and HAM radio operator, but, if you are not working in the specific field to which it applies, and you do not have the full diagram of the whole camera, there is not much to discuss about, except to say, “nice, we will have better camera in the future if it works”.
Barry has seen this too and just talks about other things here, just to show us that there is almost no discussion possible on the subject, we only can claim what we find wrong or bad in a camera and Sony or any other manufacturer will try to resolve the problem, and this post shows us that they are aware of the problem and seek for solutions.
If now, Barry’s discussion is of some interest is something anyone has to find out himself.
You long post is rambling, and insults the intelligence of almost everybody.
No, Barry is not showing us there is almost no discussion possible on the subject, he is using this site as his own personal blog.
Have a great day!
The patent in question isn’t about getting rid of rolling shutter at all.
Instead it’s about using multiple ADC’s per column to allow reduced noise (and naturally increased DR) while maintaining the speed of conversion – this may allow for some decrease in rolling shutter, but certainly it won’t be getting rid of it.
Additionally multiple readout speeds can be used simultaneously, but naturally any given pixel can only be used with a single readout speed. This is mainly for viewfinder/lcd functionality to allow for high readout speeds when tracking objects and suc, while maintaining regular readout speed for the display.
I’d be not at all certain this will be implemented as it involved extra complexity (lowers yields a bit) ond relatively small performance gains.
Thank-you for that.
On another note: uh-oh, a functional block diagram from a patent application!…waiting for barry to spew some some ignorant bs all over this board…
stop trolling, you know barry can’t resist taking the bait. It is just too easy, find yourself a challenge. Trolling for Barrys is like taking candy from a baby
The rolling shutter is really a massive issue when it comes to video. As the A7s is basically designed for video this is to me a reason not to get the cam – perhaps there’s a software fix but I’m not sure. – The point is, the rolling shutter is visible NOT only when one pans the cam but also when an object is in motion, as seen here in a video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzKR7E8yqIk
I have to backup – I just downloaded the clip from YouTube and imported it into FCP X. There’s a ‘rolling shutter’ plugin (factory, not 3rd party at additional cost) and I applied it. Gone – I mean 100% straight lines. Meaning to say that the rolling shutter is perhaps less of an issue.
Can you upload it to your youtube account? Would be great to see a comparison of before and after? Thanks.
Here it is
http://youtu.be/Pc4Cm2Qg1sM
Why didn’t the rolling shutter go away at the beginning? Any possible solution? Except the beginning, I would think it is very usable. Thank you for the clip
My guess: he left it there to show the difference.
I cut it there and applied the rolling shutter compensation only to the part of the clip when the train enters into the frame – if applied to the entire clip the lines before the train arrives get flipped in the opposite direction… So to avoid rolling shutter requires planning ahead.
Would this not piss off early buyers of the A7S ? — and may put off potential buyers hearing this news… just a thought..
Most buyers won’t be on SAR reading about new patent filings….
And welcome to the technology sector. 6 months and your brand new product is now obsolete.
That’s just the way it is.
Patents and the ability to produce something described in patents today are often far apart.
It’s just a stop along the way to the future….global shutter!
I can’t wait for a true global shutter. Flash synch at any speed!
And no vibrations at all, thus better sharpness! Global shutter is one of the main things in the future of camera technologies.
Absolutely. Totally digital image capture, please. A register behind every pixel.
A8 will solve all these problems -due spring 2015
A9 will appear first.
Sure, the a9 and a8 will be worthy successor to the venerable NEX-9 and NEX-8 that preceded them.
This is how I think they will appear following the logic of product development and marketing strategy.
A9 Flagship FFE
A7000 Souped up A6000
A6 Basic FF
A9000 Flagship APS-C
A8 Limited A9
A8000 Limited A9000
There may be a switch between neighboring models. But the essential pattern will still stand.
smh
have you forgotten about ppl complaining ‘E mount has more cameras than lenses’?
Ahem…
Did not the Sony PMW-F55 CineAlta 4K Digital Cinema Camera had a global shutter?
When was it released, last year?
Global shutter is not a posibility but a reality.
PD
Go Sony go and kill the last remain of last century photography, that shutter, that ticking clock to self destruct our costly DSLRs
I wonder why people are so excited about getting rid of rolling shutter. Traditional cinema cameras had it too.
Would you rather have it?
Well, in perfect world, yes. However, ATM global shutter increases readout noise. There are much things also to be had…
I want A5 to be in the form factor of NX 300, which is so sophisticated Leica copied it for Leica T