Image Sensor World spotted that Toshiba slide showing a new generation of Sony sensors named “Pregius“. It has global shutter, high frame rate and a yet not quantified “high sensivity-low noise-high dynamic range”. The sensor size offered by Sony goes up to 1.1 inch. Here are all sensor specs:
It’s not clear yet if that sensor tech will be implemented in future larger APS-C and FF sensors.
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Goodbye Canon and Goodbye Nikon 🙂 2015 will be ours for now until you can have this latest amazing sensor technology from Sony in your bulky cameras 🙂
Love,
Sony Fanboy
Are there a lot of 1 inch bulky cameras from CaNikon? 🙂
No, but goodbye to the C100 C200 C300 and C400 full pixel readout. This 1 inch 4K global shutter from Sony will be better for fast paced action cinematic shot 🙂
The GH4 and the FZ1000 are both better than the Canon CXXX line up money-wise too.
It makes sense to start with a 1-inch sensor like the RX10 and move on from there. Hopefully we will see this progress throughout Sony’s line of cameras, including a cinema-focused A9S.
Tell that to the 99.9% of pros that use Nikon & Canon for their work. I’m sure their businesses will start to fail as soon as Sony releases another new half baked product.
Do the fan boys realize that bragging about Sony technology will never make them better photographers? Laughing at Canon for using a Sony sensor is like laughing at the start athlete who always wins the race for the shoes he is wearing. Jealously gets you no where.
sony fan boys have the market in the high iso cat pictures but Nikon & Canon rule every other market.
Ask that same question 5 or 10 years from now, the answer will be completely different. And that 99.9% figure was just pulled out of you a$$, pros generally use their equipment for several years to recoup their investment. Do you think when the time comes to replace aging gear they won’t look at Sony when they have proven superiority. Don’t bet on it, they will buy the best available.
Sony will be lucky to still be making cameras with their financial crisis. In 10 years they will still have a small percent of the market. People will always support the big 2.
Sony is for people who like to take high iso cat pictures. It’s not for pros.
Actually, there is some truth in that statement. Sony is a dead company. All the top industry analysts – like Robert Tercek – have said as much. They’d be better off to focus on sensor development and leave cameras to manufacturers who knows what they’re doing.
BRAVO! You told them for sure, how dare those Sony using people laugh at Canon, it is Canon users who need to laugh at Sony and take them down a peg or 3 with all that fancy tech talk. You sir are amazing, you showed all Sony users the reality: they are all jealous cat lovers, unlike you who are just here to tell the truth, because that is so important these days: to tell your version of the truth over and over and over again.
Hurray for the freedom of speech!
The reality is that Sony makes great sensors, half-baked cameras, and insufficient systems with poor professional support.
The hallmark of a great camera manufacturer is that they introduce a new camera model (or two) and an entire system around it … simultaneously.
Sony has neither the resources or experience to do this. And this is where they fail, time and time again. Instead, their strategy seems to be to rapidly throw sh*t at the wall in the hopes that something will stick.
This is not a strategy. And Nikon and Canon know it.
hahahahaha!! ‘Sony has neither the resources or experience to do this.’
You can have your own little bit of ‘reality’ if it makes you happy. But let me give you the reality of reality: Nobody knows anything. It has always been throwing sh*t at the wall and see what sticks.
At least Sony tries different types and has the balls and the resources to come up with something like the A7S and IBIS in a FF camera. You are the one throwing mud at sony hoping it sticks, neither of us knows what will happen next year. If you are really so damn certain sony is going to fail, wtf are you doing here?
Keep laughing. And while you do, here are some facts…
– Sony is a dying company. Fact.
– Historically, Sony has not properly supported its lens lineups. Fact.
– Presently, Sony has an insufficient number of native lenses available for the new A7 cameras. Fact.
– The native Sony lenses currently available for the A7 series are optically subpar (e.g. Zeiss 24-70 f/4). Fact.
– Any fast zooms (e.g. f/2.8) will be necessarily large, thereby negating the size and weight advantage of the A7 series cameras, and throwing the handling balance to crap. Fact.
I could go on for some while, but as far as I’m concerned, the above alone demonstrates that Sony is not, and probably never will be, a real camera manufacturer.
Oh hood a list of nonsense with the word fact after it.
you do know your personal opinion is not an actual fact right?
How about you post some sources for these so called facts or go play with your lego camera? So please go on and post some actual proof of your nonsense claims.
Sony has dominated to broadcast camera business for 40 years, guess what: its a FACT
Canon used a Sony sensor to make a camera competing with the RX100 III and they made a mediocre camera: FACT!
You realize that most manufacturers of complex products outsource parts, components, assemblies? From apparel retailers to consumer electronics to automobiles.
You are confused. You think that Sony the commercial electronics and optical supplier to industrial manufacturers is the same as Sony the consumer products (including cameras) manufacturer.
You can bet those two lines of business within Sony are always at odds with each other. Commercial will supply to as many customers as possible, and will not risk that relationship, contractually or monetarily, to keep the consumer product line happy. Likewise, Sony consumer products wants it all to themselves.
You see, Nikon, Fuji, anybody, makes money when they outsource products from this or that supplier. You think Sony consumer products wants that?
Okay, I stand corrected but…
I still have big hopes for 2015 🙂 I smell exclusive sensor technology just like the one in Sony A7S. The imaging division of Sony is only catering to the electronic camera division and it brought tremendous advantage for the company as a whole.
What’s next; will Sony build the entire camera and Nikon & Canon will just stick a label on?
Excellent point, so my dear fellow, please tell me where I can get that fantastic Nikon with the 12MP A7S sensor I heard so much about?
I would imagine a successor to PXW-X70 or FDR-AX100 using the IMX255 sensor…
Is this just for Gsm’s ? or can one expect this for normal camera’s ? thanks
Goodbye Jello effect 🙂
http://youtu.be/qOhiNZITpfM
Here is the explanation for the global shutter technology.
http://youtu.be/tkh5eWECgbU
I hope that will see soon a APC and Full Frame with this technology !
Admin
A while ago rumors emergrd about a Sony Color Sampling sensor.
Could this be a one?
no
Who came up with the name, that’s halerious 🙂
Learn to spell. That’s your new years resolution.
You left out an apostrophe.
Wow okay slow down Sony…your making the competition look stupid….How many generations behind is Canon now??
because Canon will be using Sony sensors soon. They have to or they will go to a financial crisis in 5 years according to Forbes.
Canon just announced the development of a high megapixel camera. Notice that it says “camera” and not sensor? It is because it will have high megapixel Sony sensor in it 🙂
it’s still just an ugly DSLR with loads of crappy oldschool lens choice for 5-12MP sensors. Where’s the point? It’s game over for Canon
Canon will most likely use a sensor in the 50 Mpix range. They are having problems with yield. Leaked info.suggest a Canon manufactured sensor and a first quarter announcement.
Pffftt… Ha ha ha ha… Nice one…
1oo light years!!!
I see, so Canon lives on the star Nu Draconis v2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_Draconis
(In case you didn’t know, la light year is a measure of distance, not time)
Actually Canon is trapped in a time dilation field described by this equation
That’s not a solvable equation.
I think you mean like this below. In other words, roughly 70 times slower.
why not?
Most importantly, incompatible units
t,t’, 1 and 99.999 are scalar units, and c is meters per second. So you can’t subtract (99.999/c)^2 from 1.
And semantically it seems you want to calculate the time dilation of 99.999% of c, which is 0.99999*c. The c from velocity and the c in the formula cancel out, so you’d get the square root of 1-0.99999^2.
ooops, then I’ll change 99.999 to (0.99999c)^2 so the units will cancel 🙂 Or assume c is a constant 100. Too bad they don’t allow editing of attachments 🙁
-5 generations behind
I got a slowminded mind. This shutter. For me its only for filming. What benefit do i have for still photography
It is good for frame grabbing for fashion shoot and you will never miss a pose 🙂
You just record and pic any frame you want in post. 4K resolution is still useable for still right?
So. I film my kids and then stop the film and then pick out a picture of the film and then work with it as it was a normal picture. Is this right ?. But will this be raw files, or jpeg files. And how many MP will i get from one single picture in a film ?.
most importantly..this will not be photography anymore 🙁
Well, let’s say it does its job, but in a cold way. I would never enjoy the experience of shooting in that way..
If you move around with suitable cinematic type movements aiming at subjects you will always have the shots you need 😀 Cinema camera shooters shoot better photography than most ‘pro’ stills shooters I think, showing the context around the subject and always and i mean always level with the horizon unless going into dutch angles of course XD
I’ll die before I give up dutch angles.
*Tips head slightly into the light and returns it again..* XD
I prefer to do my photography, for passion and assignment, in the “old dirty hard” way. 😉 I can’t feel satisfied if it’s too easy to have a cool shot done.
Concentration on the still shot must surely take priority 🙂 Perhaps it will be possible to shoot video and simply snap photos as you go at some point in future.
Don’t worry. There are SO many reasons why motion photography isn’t going to replace still photography anytime soon.
To get a pic, you just need to start filming and then push the stop button.
For sport photography, you will need some skill to improve your Start/stop speed pushing
Amazing question, you are asking if you could turn a image shot with a slow shutter for video could be turned into a actual photograph? Fabulous bit of reasoning! Well you can shoot video at 200th of a Queens second, get lovely sharp images and vomit inducing video: best of both worlds!
Soon the security cameras will be all over the place and those security cameras will have this kind of technology. You just need to assemble props, lights and models. Once you finish with the poses if its an ad, or the acting if its a movie, you go to the security cameras and get your footage or stills for a small fee. Easy peasy. No need to carry the cameras and lenses. All good
Yeah…. no. It doesn’t work that way.
The advantage for still photography? It’s silent. It eliminates shutter vibration. It has the potential for higher frame rates. It would make cameras simpler with fewer things to fail. It might also allow higher flash sync speeds.
However, to date, there have been compromises with CMOS global shutters with reduced DR and poorer noise performance and shutter speed can be limited. Whether these have been overcome, we will see, but global shutter is one of those holy grails of digital photography.
you forgot higher speed flash sync
Read it again…
hmm you’re right. Not sure how I missed it.
Global electronic shutter has a potential to have practically unlimited high shutter speeds and emulate unlimited low ISOs – bye-bye ND filters.
No noise and vibration, higher sequential shooting speed, higher battery life (measured in shots), much higher sync speed, lower weight and size of cameras, or the space left by shutters could be used by rear-mounted built-in polarizer – bye-bye polarizing filters for each lens… Plus potentially much more useful multishot NR and HDR.
Global shutter is absolutely the biggest innovation waiting to happen.
How about the best feature of a global shutter….flash synch at any shutter speed.
It’s like having a leaf shutter. This means outdoor daylight flash flexibility. This is the one feature I’ve been wanting most. Now they just need to make it in a full frame
On wow. Really? That’s pretty cool. Would that be conducive to a quick response from the shutter button to frame release as well?
A7S II with global shutter.
Admin, It’s Precious, not Pregious. Use spell check for Gods sake!
No it isn’t…
Now you’ve lost a good chance to not make a fool of yourself there :p
Haven’t you seen the IMAGES written PREGIUS?
No one got the reference to J.R.R Tolkien tales 😉 ?
In this case I excuse myself… 🙁
Hurrah! Splendid word play pretending you missed the ironic post from tim. Following Admin’s lead no doubt, you do know he is a Germanic fellow right?
Please read better 🙂
Banter:)
is Penguins 🙂
Sony’s cool sensors are wasted without proper bodies and lenses… at least Nikon puts them to good use
Yes, like the D600. It’s always good to have a drop of oil on your sensor. Enables a quicker sensor read out, because the bits are sliding much faster into the processor….
🙂
Lets not forget the incredible D750, a camera with flare!
D800 series, d5000 series, d7000 series, d4 series, I could go on but this already may be too much for your tiny fan boy brain to process. The d600 series is an amateur camera and most users of that camera are not invested in high end Nikon glass like the pros.
How’s the versatile Sony full frame series doing? How is their flash and lens lineup coming along?
Thought so fan.boy.
So if the D600 users are not invested in expensive glass they deserve to get a shitty body with dust and oil?
Interesting perspective
Their lenses are simply Zeiss (practically perfect). Plus the HVL-60M is rocking since the firmware update. Of course I’m a Elinchrom Ranger user, so I normally don’t care.
Yeah, that Zeiss 24-70 f/4 is a real gem. lol
I would say the Zeiss 24-70 f4 is waaay far from being ”practically perfect”…unless you’re talking about A-mount lenses which are a tad better.
Posting as Nikon on Sony Alpha Rumors and calling others ‘fan boy’ I say old chap, have you been looking into your strobes all day or something? Calling fellow camera chappies ‘fan boys’ sounds rather colonial i must say. are we talking ceiling fan or perhaps a jolly good old fashioned table one? Perhaps one that Dyson coger has rogered together in his barn? Jolly good fun this, reminds me of my time being drunk at a mental hospital, very similar experience I must say.
Put a sock in it nincompoop.
Oh you are such a clever little boy aren’t you? Put a sock in ‘it’, such fun! This is what I call a ‘witty remark’.
I know! Here’s more info about that!
http://petapixel.com/2014/03/06/sony-admits-a7-a7r-light-leak-problem-heres-temporary-fix/
The 3.45um architecture upscaled to proper 4/3 would be perfect for m43 cameras. 20fps sequential shooting with global shutter at 17.5 mix – cool.
24fps would be better 😉
It would, but the current umbers only scale to 20fps. 🙂
I’m curious as to why it is a Toshiba document regarding Sony’s future tech.
It’s about Toshiba Industrie Cams using new Sony GS-CMOS Tec, firstly named in that document.
http://www.toshiba-teli.co.jp/en/products/industrial/usb/index.htm
thanks
No worries 🙂
Impressive sensor measurements: 76% quantum efficiency @ 525nm, 6.83 e- dark current, 32513 e- saturation capacity, so 72.94db, 24 stops dynamic range.
http://www.ptgrey.com/white-paper/id/10795
72.94 db is not 24-stops in dynamic range, when measure dynamic range, 6 db is about 1 stop, so it is 12. stop, still impressive
also consider current global shutter design will decrease dynamic range by about half, so it is 13 stops if global shutter is disabled.
Here’s hoping Sony makes a full-frame variant. I’d love an A7 with a global shutter and sensitivity like that.
maybe in 2016-2017 if the first version work well 😀
The frame rates listed in the spec sheet all peak around 660 MB/s with 14-bit RAW, so that may be the limiting factor in the frame rates not the speed of the chip itself. If you extrapolate the sensors to APS-C and FF, using the 3.45µm pixel would be a 31MP APS-C sensor and using 5.86µm pixels a 25 MP FF sensor. A 24 MP version of the A7S with global shutter would be very interesting indeed. Extrapolating the dates it would be in 2017 or so.
The perfect end of the year: Industrial sensor news! Jolly good fun! Black Magic took a industrial sensor and made it into a cinema camera, bravo! Three cheers for Black Magic!
Hip hip hurray!
Be nice if Blackmagic takes the global sensor and uses it in a new BMPCC mk2
excuse my ignorance… whats C-mount?
global shutter was the last thing sensors missing, as usual new tech will be tested first in small sensors, if works then it will end in bigger sensors
both wide sensors just make my end year even happier
if its some innocent day fake news crap, i hate you!
happy new year everyone!
How about you go to http://www.google.com and type in “what is c-mount”
Actually we started with global shutter when we had CCD camera’s and then they f#cked things up 🙂 This sensor is obviously for industrial use, scanning production lines etc. Yes I also hope it shows up in photo cameras one day, but i doubt it will be 2015.
It’s the nature of CCD that make global shutter easier to implement.
Hope the BMPCC mk2 takes this sensor with a global shutter! 😀
I really need your help
Should i buy the a6000 or wait for this and the new Colon Sensor coming ahead?? I am just a enthusiast and going to have the camera for personal use.
Thanks !
Buy it now, so you’l able to enjoy your photography right now.
Be careful: if you just wait for the “””the most newest and bestest””” technology, you’ll never take a picture because you’ll be always waiting 🙂
That’s not true. Sometimes there are breakthroughs and sometimes there is stagnation. After a breakthrough and before stagnation is the best time to buy the “bestest” product.
Do you think this will be considered a breakthrough ? When do you think it will be available for customer ? Because waiting a lot is hard… I am so tempted to buy the a6000 with all these good reviews in the net…
Hi,
I’m a student, who originally wanted to buy a pro DLSR in late 2013. Unfortunately I haven’t got the money back then and now is not a good time to buy a next gen DSLR. What I’m trying to say is that, while I’m not a pro photographer (yet), I have been closely watching the market for years now and to me this is how the situation looks like (please note that this is only my point of view based on my own personal requirements):
The only reason I haven’t bought a Pentax K3 (for my own needs, that camera is the best APS-C on the market right now) is because I had no money in 2013 and now the K5II (its predecessor) is discontinued and the K3 is selling for dirt cheap, indicating Pentax has a surprise in their bag for next year.
Their was an uproar among fans when the a6000 replaced both the NEX6 and NEX7, many claimed that the NEX7 is left without a true successor. Rumors are also saying an a7000 is on the way, ready to compete with the APS-C elite from other manufacturers.
I could say that Nikon still hasn’t announced a D400 (and it’s the right time for doing that), but no one cares about Nikon… :p
Canon confirmed they are working on a high-res FF camera, that also means they have new sensor tech (Sony or not), it would be foolish if they didn’t use the new tech for APS-C too. However I wouldn’t be surprised if Canon remained silent in 2015, after all cannibalizing their 7D Mark II sales is not the best idea (they will be eaten by other brands though if they don’t fix their “4/3 in quality, but APS-C in size” sensors).
All in all, 2015 seems to be a great year for buying a new camera. Some people are saying the same for 2014, but that’s only because of the decreasing prices, in reality it’s just manufacturers selling their old products and making room for the new stuff. These are of course just speculations, I can be wrong, but then, no one will be hurt if the two of us wait another few months, right? In 2015Q1 we can still buy a K3/a6000, but buying it now and crying for years because the K1 and a7000 with next gen hardware was announced right after we bought our cams is not the the best thing that can occur.
Awesome reply ! 🙂 Thanks for your time.
And you convinced me to wait 🙂
When do you think in Q1 it will be announced ? will it be at CES 2015 ? if no then when is the next event?
Again , Thanks !
Hi,
It’s me, just changed name & avatar to something more decent. And sorry for my late reply.
I’d say before Summer. CES (January) or CP+ (February) seems to be a great opportunity to show off with a new product. We got 1080@60p and 24MP back in 2011. AF was tweaked / improved from year to year, same goes for IQ, but nothing mind blowing imao. From a purely technical point of view the Samsung NX1 is the first camera that reflects the high tech engineering available today. Something similar from other companies is what I think is likely to happen.
I wouldn’t buy the NX1, because it’s Samsung (I have trust issues and their lens lineup is beyond pathetic), but hats off to the company for – as one of the reviewers said – making current cameras’ internals look ancient. The fact alone that the sensor can do 6.5K RAW at 240fps proves that. Here’s a bit of info about the NX1:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2014/09/27/photokina-interview-samsung-nx1-redefine-pro-performance-quantum-leap-tech
I know waiting too much won’t do my any good… but as SomeBody said…
I am buying this camera for years to come… And if there is going to be a new sensor soon that is going to serve the cameras for few years… then i should wait…
But i don’t understand that much in photography details…
I guess i will wait for the ces 2015 10 days from now and see 🙂 Thanks guys
If the waiting time is only for few days/weeks, it doesn’t hurt much to wait. But remember this: if you are getting news from a Rumors website, there’ll ALWAYS be news about ‘newer and better’ technlogy. And depending on how things are stated, it may give you a false impression that that ‘new technology’ is just around the corner… while it may take, actually, more few months/years for it to be developed. Or, even worse, it may never even see the light of the day.
When I bought my Nex 6 on the beginning on last year (Jan/2014) I already knew that Sony would, eventualy, release its successor some months later.
But it didn’t bother me, because I wanted (“needed”) the camera at that moment. So I bought it and don’t regret one single bit.
And since you are a newbie, don’t know much about photography, you don’t have to be so picky about having the newer and better. A camera like the A6000 will suffice you for a long time!
🙂
Thank you 🙂
take the a6000 – it is a perfect camera for enthusiast and you can get it really cheap now.
RX100 with the IMX253 please.