Miguel Quiles sent me the following mail:
Hey SAR! I’m going to be doing a free seminar at Adorama on Jan 20th that will be live streamed or recorded for the internet. I’ll be talking about my transition from shooting with Canon DSLR’s to Sony Alpha cameras (particularly the A7II and A6000). I will also be doing a live shoot showing how I use these cameras with Canon glass via adapters. You can see the details for the event at the link below and feel free to share if you think your readers might be interested. Thanks!
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This is the automatic comment script leaving a generic canikon paid advertising putdown, there have been many on sar so pick one and leave it after the beep….
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Who the heck is Miguel Quiles
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Miguel+Quiles
You took his comment too literally
For you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke
Just a guy taking time out of his work to show folks some things they might not find out elsewhere. 😉
And getting paid by Sony to help us see the light. We owe you a lot Mr. Light&Small
For free?
For viewers yes. I don’t work for free and neither should you.
So you are not taking time off work: if you are paid, it is work. But I know what you mean: shooting does not cut it anymore, photogs needs to do something else instead / on top, or those bills won’t get paid.
For your own good, try something a little more serious, this is cheap marketing and it makes you look duff.
a) Nothing wrong with cheap marketing. This is a free event. There will be people on here that will tune in and I will make it worth their time. For those that decide not to that’s cool too, whatever floats your boat. b) Not worried about how I look to you or anyone else so long as you tune in and watch 😉
Photography does not pay the bills nowadays. This is why gear companies sponsor “informative” videos and articles.
What should that be, a other persuation to migrate from A-mount to E-mount because Canikons do?
How about more rumors and less news/adds /deals / “honest” reviews.
After all its SAR, where R stand for “R”umors. 🙂
Simply click on Rumors at the very top of the screen when first getting onto SAR and you can completely avoid al of the non-rumor stuff that you don’t want to see. You can even bookmark that and never ever even see the other stuff. 🙂
Thanks for the hint. I wasn’t aware of this. Makes life much easier.
Only problem using that method is that it will give you less opportunity to complain about everything. You’re life would become meaningless.
Canikons don’t… It’s a myth. Sony, Fuji and m43 have the most active paid shills.
Just like that Fong guy, pretending to give advice while it is just advertising by another photographer (wannabe) that is clearly (despite claims otherwise) in the Sony pocketbooks. I have Sony equipment and I enjoy using it, but this sort of tactic to promote switching gear (which is wrong and unnecessary) is borderline unethical.
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Stop being such a suck up.
Are you saying Canon, Nikon, et al. are not doing the same using their paid shills? They do and suggest otherwise is just trolling.
Canon’s vision is looking a little out of focus nowadays.
I suppose if I go onto a forum and writes something you don’t like, I am just trolling. I just saw something that bothered me and I wrote about it. Certainly if Canon or Nikon or any other manufacturer does the same, I would feel the same way about it. Just to be clear, it would be different if these people just were honest about being on Sony’s payroll.
Wish I could get “those others” on my payroll, but that’s life I suppose, we make do with our lot and enjoy what we have.
The fact of the matter is that all camera companies have professional photographers on the payroll to push their respective products. If you said this in general statement about the photographic industry I would wholeheartedly agree. The fact that you narrowly accused one manufacturer of this practice without acknowledging the others doing the same is trolling.
Am I trolling because I am criticizing Sony? This is a Sony forum, and I can only comment on what Sony does, not on what the others do because I do not know what they do, I am just not familiar with them. If what Sony does is wrong, then it is wrong no matter how many other manufacturers do it. “Everybody else does it” is not a justification.
Could you link us to other manufacturer forums where you lodged the same criticism? No, I didn’t think so. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.
Your a troll and you’ve been busted, shop whining.
Mommy they called me a troll, waaaaaaaaaaaa
Also there is nothing wrong with having photographers on the payroll, and really they do not actually even have to declare it. What bothers me is that these people are actively & outwardly denying it.
Photographers (“pro team”, “brand ambassadors”) is a normal thing. Many photo equipment manufacturers have them.
But never before have any camera manufacturer made such a strong campaign about moving to its system. You won’t find many videos about how someone moved from Canon to Nikon or opposite – even though these companies have been “stealing” shooters from each other for years.
I find it disturbing. And actually quite funny. How poor has a camera be if you can’t simply make a video about its features?
I’ve seen multiple videos made by youtube weirdos (Lanier is one of the “best”) in which more time is spent talking about DSLR disadvantages than MILC advantages.
It’s like if mirrorless camera business had a huge inferiority complex. Or maybe it is just the photographers who regret switching…
I think you have a huge inferiority complex Piotr, and stop the faux outrage. You haven’t watched the video yet, why not reserve judgment until you actually see it.
I was not talking about this particular video but a general issue.
Half an hour ago I had no idea who Miguel Quiles is. I looked at his www and he is clearly a Canon shooter (at least in small format). I checked some of his videos and he was still using a 5D in late 2014. Had he used an A7 earlier – I don’t know. Why is he doing a Sony promo – I don’t know (I guess it is more for Adorama than for Sony). Is he really moving to Sony or just doing a one time show – I don’t know that either. But I know 2 things:
a) making a video on “how he made a transition from 5Dm3 to A7II” after owning the Sony for a month is quite… lets say: brave.
b) I would not call replacing a $2000 Canon body with a $2000 Sony body “a transition from Canon to Sony”, when he has Canon glass worth $10k (most of which has no alternative in Sony FE).
As far as my “huge inferiority complex” goes – I really don’t know what you mean. I’m very happy with all my cameras. I prefer DSLRs, but I use mirrorless. I’m not making any videos about “you should do what I did, because I’m awesome”. From what I’ve seen today, neither is Mr Quiles. But check: Lanier…
http://youtu.be/YjYBMjmHqeo
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Funny, he never mentions he’s on Canon’s payroll, borderline unethical.
Don’t you just love the way the “reporter” is teeing up softball question so the shill can give his canned responses. Journalism at it’s finest.
Watch NBC, CBS & ABC. All softball questions at the White House briefings. Journalism is all but dead I’m afraid, nothing more than corporate propaganda now. Here take a look at this, its very relevant to photography:
http://www.nationaljournal.com/pictures-video/obama-s-image-machine-monopolistic-propaganda-funded-by-you-20131121
Pretty strong words there. For starters, I am not in Sony’s pocketbooks. The event is sponsored by Photoflex (a lighting company) and Savage (backdrop company). I am simply attempting to show people some of the things that I found out during my transition from using Canon in studio to Sony. If that’s not of interest to you that’s cool, maybe next time. 😉
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Miquel
I posted a comment above about the need for Sony to make an LAEA4 like adapter for Canon and Nikon glass.
As a Canon photographer willing to convert to Sony would you please give us your opinions on that topic.
I personally don’t think that Sony would take the time to make a product that will make a competitors product work with their stuff. While I enjoy using my Canon glass I think the better route would be for them to make lighter, smaller FE lenses that are of the highest optical quality to surpass anything made by Canon/Nikon/etc. The adapters available today (Metabones, etc) aren’t the most useful if you shoot high speed content, but for portrait photographers like myself it does the job quite nicely and in many ways better than shooting on a Canon body. I’ll be demoing this and answering some of the most frequently asked questions during this seminar so be sure to tune in!
If you are currently using adaptors that allow you to use Canon lenses on E mount would you not prefer an adapter that allows you to do that better.
As you have just indicated you would preffer a lighter higher quality E mount native lens and I assume you would be willing to buy some of those in addition to using your existing Canon lenses with adapters.
That is why Sony would benefit.
People like yourself are likely to try your first Sony body ONLY because you can also use your Canon glass with it…and you would be even more likely to try it if your autofocus worked properly…then if you like the system you are likely to buy some Native E mount lenses and/or more Sony bodies.
But I do not believe a better adapter will make you less likely to buy Sony glass…you would however be very unlikely to buy Sony glass if you never bought a Sony camera.
Sony and portraits don’t go together mate. The WB is almost always f’d up. You will be disappointed. Any ease of use in the field or studio will take hours to fix in post. You’ll see.
Outstanding detail:
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Thanks, but don’t bother.
Important thing to remember: camera manufacturers earn money on lenses, not bodies.
So the adapter, you’re asking for, would have to be made by Canon or Nikon. Then it would have some economic sense.
I would be happy with the adaptor regardless of who made it…and adaptor makers such as metabones would gadly make it if they could.
Problem is that the LAEA4 technology is Sony proprietary so unless Sony lcenses it no one else can make it.
The mounts themselves however have patents that have expired so they can be reverse engineered.
As I have previosly explained on many occasions existence of this adapter would actually increase Sony lens sales as there would be many more Sony camera users to buy the new Sony lenses.
What you’re saying is basically Sony’s strategy at the moment. Sell as many A7 as possible, so that the adapting users will gradually replace their old lenses with Sony’s. That’s why Sony made the focus peaking. They’re even occasionally advertising their bodies with the adapting possibilities.
But for this plan to work, Sony must actually make the lenses…
As for the reverse engineering – it will never be the answer. Cameras and lenses from different manufacturers communicate differently. Even if you understand how they work, the adapter will not offer a perfect compatibility. It might be OK for metering and aperture, which are fairly simple. It will never be very good for autofocus.
Of course Sony could do what Fuji tried a decade ago. They could make an F-mount body. Problem is: Fujifilm had a unique sensor back then. Sony has no such thing at the moment – at least one company (Nikon) can match their designs. As a result making a very expensive F-mount camera with a slogan “pay extra $1000 for better sensor” is not really an option. And they would have to charge the extra $1000 to make this idea profitable. Fujifilm’s bodies didn’t become a commercial success. They dumped the idea and started working on X-mount.
Sony cannot instantly produce a full line of lenses to compare to Canikons..they can produce a few new high quality lenses at a time.
To instantly have a credible system requires Canikon compatability…and even if Sony could produce all those lenses they could mot convince Canikon glassowners to give up thier glass.
Reverse engineering can indeed be done in fact ALL 3rd party lensmaker are currently doing so as officially stated recently by Canon.
The current isue is that slr/slt lenses focus differrently than mirrorless lenses…differrent motor requirements…however slr and slt lenses are similar and can easily be made compatable.
There is absolutely no technology issue preventing this…it is only a question of willingness to produce it.
I’m afraid you’re missing one crucial thing. Nowadays focusing is electronic, not mechanic. Lenses and bodies communicate differently in different systems. This is something that can’t be fully fixed in an adapter.
Bodies and lenses of the same manufacturer are compatible, i.e. they use the same set of instructions (a “language”). But manufacturers use different sets.
Sure, you can reverse engineer the system and make a lens for a body. This also means it will use the same “language”. That’s how Sigma and others work.
But if you adapt e.g. a Canon lens to Sony body, they won’t understand each other.
The adapter does a lot more than just connecting electric circuits. It has to translate the signal and this not always easy (often impossible – something to be sacrificed).
Simple example. Lets assume bodies and lenses communicate by +/- X signals. Lets assume Sony bodies send +/- 3.
1) If the lens expects +/- 3 (like a Sony lens) this is easy and similarly precise.
2) But if the lens expects +/- π this will never work well. 🙂
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In beauteous form and hue.
bullshit….
Tu es douch-bag
Bwaaaa, if you put yourself on the line, you must expect taking some crap.
If you can’t take it, go back to shooting. You can’t make a living with it? I understand but it’s not my problem.
Dunno what you’re talking about. I have no problem taking crap from anyone. I’m confident in my skills. At the end of the day I’m out doing what I love. I’m just pointing out that Sony isn’t sponsoring this event and has had no contribution or influence in my presentation other than building a pretty sweet set of cameras.
We thirst for A9 rumors.
We would have heard by now if it had a rangefinder design. How’s that?
Irrelevant?
Only if you like rangefinders.
He obviously only takes pictures of food and buildings and models and just about anything else which isn’t moving. Otherwise he’d have bought the A77II which is great for wildlife and sports and…..well just about EVERYTHING.
If I was going to go into an A77II I would just stick with my Canon body. The attraction to their mirrorless system was size and weight, all while giving me results similar to what I’d get in a bigger body like the 5D3 or A77II. It’s all about the final product (the image) and if I can get something similar while saving space, money, and my back from holding up a heavy camera to my face for hours I’m all for it. 🙂
How much size and weight do you save with this vs a Canon or Nikon? 10 oz? So really, are you trying to sell us something?
It’s substantial enough that I feel comfortable with my investment.
VOLUME, its the VOLUME of kit. You can fit all the audio kit alone in a small fanny-pack. You can do-away with Z-Finders with an EVF, no need for a recorder as the HD is stellar. Audio is killer, no separate audio recorder needed. Then the bodies, they’re tiny when packed. An A7R & A7S will replace a MF stills and pretty high-end HD video camera for most sole operators. Mo fancy rig required to shoot video either. Just sayin’
I know Jesus loves me and I am happy, but I don’t like wobbly videos with poor light. Come again in a few years.
YouTube + Kids = The Future
Like it or not, that’s the reality!
You must practice my child and work with a steady hand, low light isn’t necessarily poor light……
As I said a Canikon user would be highly unlikely to try an A mount body.
They would however be willing to try an E mount body that they can use thier Canikon glass on…especially if they were FULLY compatable.
If they like the new system they are then likely to buy a sony lens or two to go with it.
Of course if they did not buy the Sony camera there would be ZERO CHANCE of them buying a Sony lens.
Transitioning to E-Mount NEX. I’d bet he doesn’t know a thing about genuine A-Mount Alpha, or Minolta Alpha legacy from which the heritage was stolen from. I wonder if he even knows what a 9 series camera is, or that we’re on the fifth incarnation since 1985. I bet he doesn’t realize that whatever the a7II or a6000 provide, that the a99/a77II would provide even better with longer battery life, shorter startup time, fully articulating lcd’s, vertical grips with full set controls, etc…
Dude doesn’t know a thing about what genuine Alpha is all about beyond what Sony tricks him into accepting as truth. Have fun trying to get your elegant Canon flash system replaced Mr. Quiles. Sony broke ours, and called it advancement. Lying Sony Psychos.
It’s just a camera, dude calm down.
If it was “just a camera”, then no one would be making a big deal about switching from Canon to Sony.
I need a system refined from decades of professional legacy. Alpha has that with A-Mount and 9 series. E-Mount claims Alpha legacy without merit for doing so.
Let all the Canon/Nikon converts know that Sony betrays their own customers by giving Nikon their best sensor in three versions for years, but makes Alpha users suffer a toy camera with adapters for both lens and flash, and half the battery life. That’s what users can expect from switching. Nobody tells you all you’ll lose. Adapters stink, adding bulk and decreasing reliability. Give a seminar on that. But bring your CaNikon flash system to light it. Sony doesn’t have one worthy of pro use.
So just keep using an A-mount body, they still work fine.
A mount is not compatable with Canikon glass therefore a Canikon user is extremely unlikely to switch to A mount regardless of how good a camera it may be.
E mount however will accept Canikon glass via adapters and therefore some Canikon users will be tempted to buy an E mount camera to use with thier current glass collection.
So any Canikon converts will almost certainly be to E mont.
The problem however is that although the lenses can be used via adapters they are only partly compatable.
Some functions..such a Autofocus will only partly work wile other funtions such as Nikon autofocus and Nikon automatic apperture control will not work at all.
This greatly limits Sony’s ability to attract or keep Canikon users.
An LAEA4 like adaptor fot Canon and Nikon lenses would resolve that issue and result in many many more converts.
In that thread, why is that there’s no electronic E-mount adapter for Nikon lenses? MF is fine, but having to open/close the aperture manually for better focusing is quite annnoying; also, EXIF data is lost and AE doesn’t work.
All functions on Canon lenses are lectronic and adapters have been developed that allow most lens finction and some rudimentary level of AF to occur with Canon lenses.
Nikon uses a mechanical linkage so ther is currently not an electronic way to do it.
Nikon protocals are different and no AF compatability has yet been developed either.
This is why I keep asking for some sort of laea4 type adapterto be developed.
Such anger. If those cameras would make me sound so grumpy I want no part of it! 😉 Seriously though, take a chill pill. It’s not the end of the world or anything. Just one mans experience being passed along to others.
Just stating the facts. Accuse me of “anger” to avoid acknowledging the truth of my comments. But you’re right, though I’m more disgusted than angry. If your company abandoned your 30 year investment of flashes, lenses, ergonomics, and a legacy of five 9 series cameras, you might think differently.
See the bigger picture friend. Sony’s short term victory will only last until Canon releases their own version of high MP mirrorless FF EVF camera that doesn’t make you loose your flash system or adapt to a crippled lens solution. On that day you’ll dump your Sony toy cameras and return home to Canon. And you’ll thank them for not making you suffer inconsistencies of adapters. I’ll be waiting to see your next seminar on changing back from Sony to Canon.
PATER NOSTER, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo.
Dude, imagine if Canon made the best high MP sensor but wouldn’t put it inside a pro Canon body, BUT INSTEAD gave it to Nikon for years and three different versions… AND STILL wouldn’t give it to Canon body.
Would you feel betrayed?
Then imagine if Canon released a completely different tiny toy camera system that got their best sensor… but STILL wouldn’t give it to your best Canon DSLR camera.
Would you feel betrayed?
Then imagine if Canon said “stop whining shut up and use these clunky adapters for lenses and flash system”. The lens adapters wobble and loose connection. The flash adapters don’t have any locking mechanism. The quality and refinement you’ve taken for granted all these years has just come to an end… But Nikon gets your best sensor. YOUR COMPETITION is better served by your own camera company.
Would you feel betrayed?
Thats’ EXACTLY how Sony betrayed their Alpha user base.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
Good grief, come by my place and you can drown yourself in my communion wine………….
You’re free to address my comments. Otherwise keep up the sarcasm that proves you have no rebuttal.
Why rebut what you are saying, you are correct, A-Mount is D-E-A-D. Move-on, sell it, time for some better newer toys no?
A-Mount is not D-E-A-D you false profit. Sony needs A-mount to provide f2.8 pro glass, and 300’s, and 500’s… Otherwise CaNikon pros won’t consider a half baked E-Mount without expansion options.
E-Mount will always ride the coat tales of genuine Alpha A-Mount. It has to, because it cannot support itself by its own merit.
VIDEO. Most professionals couldn’t give a toss about f/2.8 “jack-of-all-trades-zooms” from Sony. They’re happier with task specific glass from elsewhere, Sony know that, hence the short flange distance on the FE mount. VIDEO/MULTI-MEDIA is the future, adapt or wither………
Dude. No way would you abandon Canon’s excellent skin tones or Nikon’s outstanding resolution for a lossy compression algorithm Sony camera. Sony can’t get the WB right. Whites clip, blacks are compressed, gradients posterize and very little push or pull can be done with Sony’s RAW images. Sony’s astigmatism will keep your resolution about half of what it should be. Shutter shock a whole nuther issue. Sony doesn’t fix its errors. They hire trolls to harass others.
Outstanding resolution!
True 14 Bit files:
I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or serious.
He’s seriously sarcastic with rejection issues (he’s not one of my proudest creations I’ll have you know;).
Dude! Relax, he just got paid to say so.
10 Reasons Why a Professional Photographer Left Nikon and started shooting with Sony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wM_5nROeaw
So good every time seeing someone spell out all these concerns to knock on manufacturers’s head to make them wake up. When the real competition coming, us will get the benefits from the competition, brings us more stunting features and devices. in the end, this is just whether you get screw by manufacturers or you screw the manufactures lol…
Anton would never endorse a hipster doofus photographer or camera.
Unless Jason has glaucoma he’s probably switched back to real cameras by now.
You know 14 bit color, support, no shutter shock… etc.
14 bit color!
At night I like to sit and watch a good nikon sunset. The only problem is I feel the experience get’s “cut off” abruptly.
You know 14 bit color, support, no shutter shock… etc. Just white dots.
It’s snowing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6S9JByA0eo
what do you expect from the comments? We go out and solve the problem for you?:
http://blog.sony.com/contact/
https://twitter.com/sonyelectr…
https://www.facebook.com/Sony
https://www.pinterest.com/sony…
https://plus.google.com/+Sony/…
Post the link to your comment on sony website so we all know you are not just trolling for attention here.
Thank you for linking this video Anton, very good information.
Good article here:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7808127857/ces-2015-samsung-interview-mirrorless-to-outsell-dslrs-in-three-years?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=features-default&utm_medium=homepage-block&ref=features-default
Miguel Quiles is demonstratimg his transition from Canon dslr to Sony E mount.
He is a prime example of what Sony would like to see happen on a huge scale.
Note however that part of this transition depends on his ability to utilize his existing collection of Canon glass via adaptors on the new E mount system.
Without that ability this transition would be far less likely to be happening.
The lenses are partially compatable, but not fully compatable in that some functions partly work or do not work.
A mount lenses can utilize the LAEA4 adaptor and are therefore much closer to fully compatable than Canon or Nikon glass.
This technology would be relatively easy to adapt to converting Canikon glass to E mount.
Miguel is willing to utilize thes lenses in this partly compatable manor…many other Canikon users are not.
Surely an LAEA4 like Canon and Nikon adaptor would be a major vital component in an E mount system if it is to appeal to current Nikon and Canon users.
Surely Sony would like to have many more photographers like Miguel join thier ranks.
the guy sucks so much it doesnt matter what he uses….
Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever.
Well said mate
ABI IN MALAM REM
Meanwhile I’m all like
Just ask the detractors, especially Anton Berlin, “you got a website?” and then go build a pyramid whilst you wait for the reply. Priceless bunch of bookworms and chart quoting nimrods. But we love them anyways right……. 😉
Will this actually be live streamed / recorded ? If so, where are the details about that? The Adorama/Eventbrite website don’t seem to mention that aspect. (I also can’t find any recordings of past Adorama events)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9I9ir6k8tw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5upAyffz7w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUBSujbKfEo
What a dope… “It has Kelvin… manual Kelvin!”
Then claims his DSLR doesn’t have that.
Fire any photographer that tests out new camera on your job.
Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world: have mercy on us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMqiq4YpJyI
Once again: he DID NOT transition from Canon DSLR to Sony DSLR.
Instead, he switched from DSLR to mirrorless. When will they stop using those stupid misleading titles?
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.
Could someone block this guy from posting religion on a technology discussion. Practice a little respect and keep it to your self buddy.
Comment flagged. You need to learn a few things about respect and interactions with your next.
I’m about to transition from A7 to A900 again.
I shot a900 all day today, ten portrait sessions. a7R, a99, a77II sat in the bag watching the old dog work. Can’t beat the OVF for studio strobe works. EVF, for numerous reasons, is rather stinky for studio with white background and modeling lights.
Yeah, well I know the future is FE but I don’t really care. After diving in with some older vintage lenses I’m a bit over it. Don’t get me wrong, the A7 hits a few sweet spots. However, it makes zero sense IMO with bigger glass. Few things:
1) I don’t like adapter option. It’s not a very good value proposition, not weather sealed, etc. Makes zero sense although I’ve made it work.
2) Loxia lenses are a great option, but I’m not willing to spend that kind of cash for MF lenses right now. Those make perfect sense given the ethos of FE- small and light.
3) Ghosting, contrast, flare resistance aren’t all that great on MD mount lenses. Stopped down they do quite well. But after putting them through numerous challenges I’m not impressed enough. The garbage bokeh kills it for me. So much for cheap.
That’s really it. I’m not ready to let go of my A mount glass. However, I’m not willing to invest in FE quite yet. I think maybe another year or two and we just might get there. I’d like to see more third party support. I’d like to see an A7R in the vein of the new A7II. That could be a system mover. I shouldn’t of sold the a900. You don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone is more true than you think. As much has change just has much remains the same.
Man you guys are kind of dickheads tot his guy. I like his photos.
Thanks for the support! I don’t mind the haters. They give me motivation to keep moving forward and upward!
I salute you sir. If you can survive SAR comments, you can survive anything that life throws at you:)
Thanks! Believe it or not I’ve survived worse over the years. You have to be able to take criticism on the chin and keep moving forward if you plan on making things happen in life. 🙂
🙂
bought a 299 euro Fuji ax-1…. and maybe in 2017 i willl look j´here again.
and SONY has made his work.
10 bit intern
10bit on hdmi-port
4k
Fullsensor
Global Shutter
8-axis-dual-stabi-sys
499,-$ the body. meanwhyle—something better than waste my time. out and by.
You mean x-a1? Did you even buy that body getting the name wrong?
I love how new Sony togs are applauded for giving praise. But when long time Sony Minolta veterans address problems they are called haters, and the issues they raise are ignored. Name calling is easier than acknowledging disenfranchised loyalists.
FACT: Sony betrays, lies to, and backstabs the user base that made it profitable for them to purchase the Minolta legacy. Then they steal that legacy to prop up a toy camera system, and ignore the refinements of the original.
FACT: E-mounts is gaining recognition because it slowly morphs into real Alpha style larger grip, stabilization, menu system, lens compatibility… Had it all along with genuine A-mount Alpha. But now we’re supposed to get excited about less battery life, less stability, less reliability with A lenses, kludged ergonomics, less LCD functionality.
Way to go Sony. Way to betray your own. Way to ignore the Minolta loyalists that propped you up from the beginning.
Oh please……….
You’ve heard of Olympus I take it. Those of who’ve been doing this a while bought into the stellar OM system back in the day, lovely kit it was. It got dropped, we moved on. Then Olympus offered one of the very best digital bodies ever made, the Four Thirds E1 and proceeded to drop Four Thirds for M43 and we moved on.
ITS HOW THIS GAME IS PLAYED. Sony aren’t alone is making the tough calls. Canon ditched their whole FD line for EOS. Maybe try Nikon, they’ve stayed loyal to their mismatched AI mount, and it aint working out too well for them nowadays.
Au contraire mon fraire… In each case you describe above, the companies provided full pro systems to jump into. Not some lil’ toy camera with wobbly adapters, joystick ergonomics, and second rate battery life. And they didn’t give their best technology away to my competitors while doing it.
Sony suggests we “play pro”, and asks us to do so with non locking flash adapters and blocky lens adapters that loose connections.
Very disingenuous of them. Our CaNikon convert friends deserve to understand the booby trap they’re walking into. Or let’s just all play nice and say how great Sony is, and ignore the real world… make.believe.
You never used the early Four Thirds system did you? Go lookup the early lens offerings………..
I never considered Four Thirds for anything pro. But the fact remains that Oly made a pro cal body and offered a few pro cal lenses from the start.
Main consideration is Nikon, EOS, and Maxxum, and the example they set with full systems designed for pros right from the start. E-Mount will never be pro because it was never designed to be in the first place. It’s a joke how far away from original design philosophy they are. Sony just makes it up as they go along. No visionaries.
All my replies, politely written, are “awaiting moderation”. Someone doesn’t like the truth.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that too……
On a side-note. This stuff just aint worth getting all worked-up over, just pick a tool that suits your shooting style. I agreed a friend of mine buy a D810 this past week, we discussed his needs and ended-up there as he’s a stills pro with a need for a fast responsive camera that could also shoot good occasional video.
http://www.graphic-design.com/photographic/Olympus/full_system_lenses.jpg
It became a nicely fleshed-out system. Look at the initial offerings though, very much the same complaints with early Four Thirds as with the Sony FE system, no glass. Variable aperture slow zooms.
Here’s the DP Review link from way back then.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse1/5
What a lot of junk, and also expensive. M43 is the joke of the camera world. Bankruptcy ahoy!
Shoot with it and then you’ll see. Take the 75mm 1.8 for a spin or the new 40-150. Don’t knock it till you tried it.
That’s right man. From day one Canon changes came with EOS-1 pro plus system. Minolta changes came with Maxxum 9 with pro system. Olympus changes came with E-1 pro cam and a full system. They were all designed from the ground up to mount big heavy pro glass onto. They’re lens mounts are robust and ergonomics designed specifically from the refinement that long time professionals enjoy.
Sony didn’t do it that way at all. The E-Mount will NEVER have a 300/2.8 lens because the mount was never designed to take such a thing. Making such a lens would be larger than standard DSLR style, just like the 70-200/4 is. E-Mount will NEVER be native pro quality. Always having to kludge an adapter, which makes it even more wobbly.
Canikon converts only exist in the magical world of the web. Sure, there will be a couple of fools, but they don’t make big numbers.
Very true. But what are you doing without Canon or Nikon yet? Come into proper photography already!