The Sony FE 90 mm f/2,8 Macro G OSS (courtesy of LesNumeriques)
The French site LesNumeriques (google translation here) already got the new Sony FE lenses in their test labs. They promise that detailed test will be publsihed “very, very soon“. As a heads up they said the 90mm FE macro lens the sharpest of the four new lenses:
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The best? Even better than the Zeiss?
I don’t know what admin is talking about. The article doesn’t say anything about image quality
Of course not. Don’t be silly
I don’t see anywhere in that article where they comment on image quality.
Exactly: as a french people, they are nothing on that article that say the quality of this lens is perfect.
It’s only a hand-on, they don’t speak about the image quality.
It’s just the admin getting overhyped and writing oversensationalised headlines to draw in readers at the cost of this sites dignity. Literally every new lens that comes out is ‘the best lens ever’.
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sharpest of the four lenses? sharper than FE 35mm F1.4? Should I be happy or worried. I wanted both 90mm and 35mm. This on APSC is 135mm and if it’s as sharp as claim this might be a winner. Sony please take my money.
Any F 2.8 is probably sharper than any F 1.4 lens… No news here
That won’t make the 35 1.4 a bad lens though 😉
Anybody know the weight of this lens?
Please, give me….
“the very sharpest”
“definitely the best between the four new lenses”
So this 90/2.8 Macro is:
– Better at wide angle than the 28mm and 35mm?
– Better at f/1.4 than the 35mm?
– Makes a more versatile all in one zoom and has better range than the 24-240mm?
– Better at being smaller and lighter than the 28mm?
Sounds like this 90/2.8 is the best! Plus it is ‘very sharpest’ (whatever that means). Can’t wait to sell my entire existing lens collection and replace it with this lens alone! Thanks SAR!
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“very sharpest”! Yes! you understood perfectly what that means. Stop being so critical you idiot! English is not his first language. You are so tough behind a fake username and behind a screen and in another country. You most likely have never made a penny from photography like most of the trolls that come on here but just love to poke fun at everything. I wish I met someone like you at an event!
wow take it easy man.
this is not for me 🙂
“very sharpest”! Yes! you understood perfectly what that means. Stop being so critical you idiot! English is not his first language. You are so tough behind a fake username and behind a screen and in another country. You most likely have never made a penny from photography like most of the trolls that come on here but just love to poke fun at everything. I wish I met someone like you at an event!!
Admim, where on the article says the macro is better in sharpness among the 4 new lenses?
They talked with me about that.
They do not said that. They said in the comments below the article they were not allowed to take picture with the lenses…
+1, actually the reply they gave in the comment section was that until the release date was set (information embargo) they could not reveal anything about the quality. It has to be noted that said comment was completed with a smiley at the end…
@admin: please refrain from putting headlines about a product that are not reflected in the article you link it to. I am a regular visitor to this site and I thank you for your work, but please keep it honest, simple and let us trust you.
it’s just… the bestest
wait, where the hell are the links to B&H, Adorama, Amazon, and eBay???
i’d rather go for the portrait queen FE 55 mm F1,8 ZA for my a6000 (except for macro), better AF, sharp, same resolution and the best – not so heavy
You do realise that the 90/2.8 on FF will have better image quality, right?
It has to be the best of the four if its that big….;)
That’s what she said.
Where`s that sis HULK now, with his little puny Canikon lenses? Sony lenses big, smash poor canicon! Sony lenses biggest smash large format smash hubble!
Why are Sony insisting on making lenses about three times the size of their mirrorless bodies? I don’t get it. I thought the point was that this FF system would be smaller than a FF DSLR system?
Before anyone says ‘they have to be that big for FF at large aperture, it’s just physics’ go pick up a Leica 35 Summilux Asph, or a Leica 90 Elmarit-M. It can definitely be done, for some reason Sony are choosing not to and it kinda mystifies me?
Yet another one.
AF drive requires different optical formula than for MF lenses.
Affordability of lenses also puts constraints into what type of glass and how much of that you can use.
Go look it up.
Don’t be a simpleton.
GOOD GOYIM!!!!
It’s true about price point but no need to be rude fella.
I don’t think I was rude.
Simpleton doesn’t mean anything other than an individual that looks at things too simply, either by way of not knowing better or by ignoring other knowledge.
I could have said naive, but then that would imply this guy doesn’t know much about anything, or perhaps borderline gullible. And price isn’t everything.
The RX1 lens, though…
That lens is specifically made for the RX1 as a non-interchangeable lens. Since the tolerances to build interchangeable lenses are more lenient (because the user has to be taken into account) the RX1 lens design allows itself to be:
1) ridiculously close to the sensor
2) 20% inside the body
3) use of unique bonded elements at the rear end, the size of which would have a hard time going through the E mount opening.
Hence the RX1 Sonnar cannot be used an example of interchangeable, AF, high performing lens with moderate large aperture.
Don’t buy a Sony then. Simple.
Physics and maybe price point insists.
Elmarit-Ms aren’t macro lenses.
Um… well apart from 90mm Macro Elmar-M that is.
Your reply should have been “umm… what about the 90mm Macro Elmar-M?”. Here’s why:
A regular (non-macro) 80-90mm f/2.8 prime is super easy to make. The said Macro Elmar-M is a regular f/4 prime. I don’t know if you know but f/4 is a whole stop slower than f/2.8, making it child’s play. It has only 4 elements… people make more complex lenses at home. It is so simple it doesn’t need a complex construction to work ok at close distances.
Do you seriously think any manufacturer wants to increase the production cost of their lenses by adding more glass than what’s necessary?
No, my reply should not have been any different to what it was because the Macro Elmar-M is a phenomenally capable lens. In some regards, as a lens, it is better than the much vaunted apo-summicron. I shoot quite a lot of macro, commercially, and don’t usually shoot less than f8 because, I don’t know if you know, but the depth of field, sub f8 in macro, is mostly useless except for casual snaps on flickr. I own both the Macro Elmar and the apo-summicron and they complement each other perfectly. Leica are clever like that, the right tool for the right job. No doubt, they could create, at large cost, an elmarit version of the lens that is miniscule in comparison to this monstrosity.
No self respecting product photographer would use anything less than a lens with movements let alone that 4 element piece of crap that can’t focus closer than 0.5m so you have to crop later.
What’s at question here is your understanding of the subject… not your ability as a photo sales person.
Fashion and beauty is product photography in a sense, I guess, but not really, and what my M does not cover my Hasselblad and Phase One does. But hey, I’m glad you seem to think you have it all worked out. FYI, It’s not really a concern of mine what you think of me. Taking a look at your photography you probably should be commended for being the best blind photographer I have ever seen. It’s clear from your comments and your work you are both naive and pretentious. An intolerable combination.
Hope you eventually develop the capacity to see it better than as a form of entertainment 🙂
The entertainment fast runs out. Your naivety and pretentiousness, together, is quite the car crash really.
This genotypwriter dude is a total troll dick. You’ll find him on Nikon Rumors, Leica Rumors, all over flickr, and likely 1000 other forums running his mouth. He seems to have a vast collection of gear, but no idea how to actually take a good photograph.
You’ve seen his flickr. Garbage and most of it years old. He’s just some knucklehead that talks crap on forums but doesn’t have any talent to back it up.
I think he claims to be a teacher, but with an attitude like his I bet his students hate him.
Seriously? Hahaha. You are the authority are you? No self respecting human being would be as condescending and self important as you. Bravo amateur.
His flickr page is even funnier.
Your inability to even register a username here is exactly the type of thing I’m talking about.
Learn to impress people who know what they’re talking about. Otherwise you’re just another sleezy sales person.
There’s this new thing called reality, you should look into it. You sound paranoid. I was calling you an amateur human for your horrible attitude. Hope that’s clear now. Try and play nice it can be fun!
The internet was a better place when it needed more than two digits of IQ points to be on it… the likes of you weren’t there.
Try and learn the subject…
It’s physics, and economics – have you seen the price of Leicas?
They are aiming for higher performance than the cheaper M-mount (and some of the more expensive) without the need to compromise their sensor to accommodate the steep ray angles of a fast symmetrical RF lens.
IT’s true, but the problem being that it’s super difficult to produce a small lens. Not only from a design perspective but also a manufacturing perspective. It’s just not in the reach of this system at this price. It’s when you see monster lenses like these that you realise how good the Leica system is, but of corse, it comes at a price.
where is the 24-240 review? how much it weight? how much it cost? when will be available here? i need someone to make a surprise for me and get me one ! i’ll be so surprised 🙂
Stop being negative. I believe it will sharp because almost all macro lens are sharp. The only thing we need to wait foe it’s aberration results which is usually the weakness for macro lens.
+1 for the size. AF mechanism is harder and also big bright glass will be large for better contrast and light.
Ouch! Cut myself just looking at that lens!
The 90 Macro, and the 35 1,4 seems like they are good build quality. But if i look at the 35 mm. It looks like it got an aperture ring
Yep, no aperture ring for the macro, but it looks like it gets mechanical mf (rage than focus by wire).
Wow that thing is huge. So getting rid of the mirror box didn’t simplify the retrofocal design?
That is so ridiculously huge…. what a joke. I can’t believe I chose not to get the Sigma 35/1.4 and waited or this in the hopes it would be compact because it’s native e-mount.
…and the very hugest lens 🙂
Huge lenses indeed, except the 28mm that should be a 24mm. That was the lens that caught my attention. Unfortunately they opted for a more or less slow 28mm, a 24/1.4 would heve been the better choice. so, once more, let’s wait till it happens and in the mean time I put an eye on the 24/240. I wait test shots to see what’s about first, if ok I buy it.
Oh c’mon, f/2.0 is very fast, and I guess the 28/2 will be quite affordable, compared to e.g. the 24/1.4 or 28/1.4 Nikkors. You can still adapt the latter ones.
But more than the relatively new Nikon 28 1.8? It’s huge in comparison…
I’m after a sharp portrait lens, since I heard there are rumours about a new ZA 85mm f1.8 (or maybe even larger aperture?) will come out later 2015, I can’t decide if I should wait for the 85mm or maybe try the 90mm? I’m not that rich to get both (lol), I can see how 85mm is great for portrait, but there aren’t many portrait photos for a macro lens with around 90mm (with background blur, subject isolation and maybe lowlight on portrait)
Go for the 90mm macro. 90mm f2.8 will give you plenty of subject isolation. And the fact that it has a mechanical focus coupling when used manually makes it even more attractive. I personally much prefer manual focus before AF in any low light situation. And don’t forget, the 90mm E-mount will have OSS, the ZA will have no such thing.
Honestly, wait for the 85mm f/1.8 Zeiss. It will give you better creative control of subject isolation. f/2.8 is okay but not great. The brighter f/1.8 also means better AF in low light situations. And don’t forget, the a7ii and future FF bodies have IBIS, so no need for OSS in the lens (OSS lens will also make the 85/1.8 really big like the 90/2.8 Macro).
They never talked about sharpness in the article. In fact they weren’t even allowed to take pictures with the lenses (only of the lenses). They praised the MF system though
They talked with me about that. They comapred many image samples they are not allowed to post on their site!
Enthusiasm on SAR is incredibly. I read the full article it is just a hands-on report. No evaluation of IQ at all. SAR: calm a little down. Nobody expect daily sensations.
Hansi! I updated my post. I talked to them directly and they gave me the additional info! Hansi calm down, I had my reasons as you see 😉
Ouch!! So true, mate
Admin
In the english translation this article refers to ” hybrid E mount” lenses numerous times.
What does this mean?
Is it just a glich in the translation?
Is there a new hybrid camera?
Will the lens work on A and E mount cameras?
It means you’re getting excited over a badly translated article.
Not a glitch, but literal meanings often don’t translate too well.
No. Why don’t you speak to your friend at Sony for confirmation?
Don’t be dumb.
Enjoyed everything you said except the last line. Doesn’t make you any better than what you don’t like.
“Hybride” is the term used in French to refer to mirrorless cameras. DSLR are called reflex here, but merely a few people understand that it refers to the reflexion of the mirror in the viewfinder (in fact most people think that they’re called “reflex” because they think of them as fast, like a biological reflex reaction. Yes, they are that ignorant).
So as the basic Frenchman doesn’t have a clue about the use of a mirror in a camera, the marketing teams decided to name mirrorless “Hybrides”, because they are kind of hybrids between the compactness of point and shoot cameras, and the large sensors/lens changing possibilities of DSLR.
So, sadly nothing exciting about an A/E mount hybrid, just marketing stuff.
Thank you for the explaination.
We shall see. What macro isn’t sharp?
Yes, Macros are SUPPOSED to be sharp. So comparing a sharp macro to an all in one travel zoom, a bokeh machine and a budget lens is a bit silly really. I don’t think Admin knows much about photography and understands that different lenses offer different pros and cons and can’t tell the difference between apples and oranges. He does seem to be good at making over the top sensationalist headlines though.
Macros are for close up photography, that’s all macro means. All lenses are meant to be sharp
True macro lenses are desighned to have a completely flat field and performance is optimized at 1/10 magnification..so they perform well at 1/1.
They are also usefull as norma portrait lenth lenses.
In general, as a group, these lenses are the sharpest lenses available. Of course some individual lenses may be exceptionally good or exeptionally poor and I am sure ther are a few out there that would contradict my general statement.
It’s also because of the focal length. It’s easy to design a 90mm lens compared to a wide angle
No matter how sharp any lens is – the lens will give up 20% of its resolution and 75% of color information on a Sony mirrorless. Until Sony fixes the astigmatism and 11+7 bit color the Sony mirrorless cameras are the new Fisher Price ‘my first cameras’ for children that don’t know any better.
Take any Nikon D810 or D750 image and compare it side to side with a Sony A7r or other Sony mirrorless image on a high resolution wide gamut monitor and you will see glaring differences in how the images can be processed and in their sharpness.
Check out Ming Thein’s blog – http://blog.mingthein.com/2015/01/19/review-sony-a7-mark-ii/
Or here – https://sonyvnikon.wordpress.com/
Troll
Troll seems to be the term of choice when a fanboi doesn’t like to confront the reality that their camera equipment is crap. Work harder, save some money and get better equipment.
Best answer to Sony kids 🙂
There are a number of people here who do not want to allow anyone to post anything other than Sony is great and Sony can do nothing wrong.
They call everyone else trolls, insult them and post long strings of off topic nonsense in order to distract people from the comment.
Funny but by definition trolls post extranious and off topic comments to sidetrack the conversation…but according to tjem we are the trolls for posting comments they don’t want anyone to read.
I post both good and bad stuff about Sony…although lately Sony hasn’t been doing as much good stuff as I like.
As far as I am concerned this site is to learn about what is going on, both from Sony and thier competitors…as far as they are concerned this site is to brainwash people into buying more Sony products.
I attract a lot of this type of comment…and will never see eye to eye with then.
Just thought you might like to know your not the only person that has to deal with then.
By the way..E mount is currently a toy camera system only used for WA to portrait lenses and by 2017 Canon will mop the floor with Sony for the E mount system.
Today another Canon mirrorless patent emerged for a new on sensor autofocus system for multilayer foveon like sensor.
This pixel uses the first , second, and electronic circuit layers to sense focus on a three levels at once with each AF pixel.
This is another of many Canon patents that would result in mirrorless cameras fully compatable with current Canon dslr lenses.
When Canon produces a high quality mirrorless ff ….probably anounced late in 2015 and available early 2016…why would the vast majority of pros and amatuers who currently use Canon glass, not choose the new Canon.
Now we will hear more from the trolls that don’t want anyone to read this.
tl;dr
This only proves that you dont even undertsnd what a troll is. Its someone who constantly repeats himself. Like a broken record. Like you with your dam sigma sport and anton with his file compression. By all means bring forth critque of sony if you like. But stopp destroying the site by posting nonsense that are endless repetitions of your own selfish needs.
troll
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
It doesn’t matter what Sony brings to the table, you’ll always remain 20% good guy and gain 75% in twatness. If we take you + 10 and then add another 7, we realise that it doesn’t matter what you want or need, because what we want or need is different and we may not care.
While compression IS an issue, and we all know it (and yes, wish that Sony would allow us uncompressed files as an option) you are only diminishing your voice every time moan with that little b 1 t ch mouth (keyboard) of yours.
So…we know it. We get it. WE CAN’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT and NEITHER CAN YOU!!!
So, either send a letter to Sony. Call them. Stalk them at their HQ in Tokyo. Threaten them with a bratwurst if you willl…but please, GTFO with the remainders.
OR Make a petition!
Suit your f ing self.
You can do something. Don’t buy any more Sony crap until they fix the junk they’ve already sold you and/or switch to Nikon. Canon still seems to not have moved off the mark still. Don’t put up with crappy Sony mush. This is the end result of the color and resolution issues with Sony.
I was the # 3 signer
https://www.change.org/p/kazuo-hirai-enable-uncompressed-or-lossless-compression-raw-files-on-the-a7-cameras-and-future-f-e-mount-cameras
Oh wow. #3 signer. I bet they will get in touch with you soon.
They will want to know all your wisdom because you got to the party as #3.
Apologies. I forgot how important you were….
You are so right. I cannot ever buy any Sony crap, ever, even if it suits my work. How could I have been so naive? How, if not by the virtue of your infinite knowledge and “know better” attitude, could I have not seen the light?
Because you are a member of the twateneer pricklenton cub. That’s why. Obviously, you know what is best for everyone. Hence you are here bashing you preaching dck
You know nothing about cameras or photography. You’re embarrassing yourself.
75 percent color info? That would suggest my pictures should come out like a cheap crayola set from Walmart. I see more info in there.
Anton, why are you so up in arms? I get that you don’t approve of the product, but why are you spending so much time and effort in trying to sway other people? What’s your steak? I see you in every update, and it’s all the same.
Thank you Anton, for your kind and smart post. I will sell my A7s together with the FE 55. You’re right, this is an awful lens-camera combo. Looking at the pictures I’ve done with them… horrible, they all suck. Especially those at night. How could I believe that moon light could light a scenery shot without a tripod at 1/125s? Silly me. I left my flash at home and tripod too. Guilty of drinking the coolaid. I will also sell my Novoflex adapter together with my 35 cron. Who needs an A7s/35 cron combo when Nikon has autofocus zooms? Thanks again and again for your relentless reminders, you finally convinced me that I made many mistakes for wasting my money on inferior camera gear. Sorry that I infuriated you.
I currently have several different focal lengths of macro lenses, including 90mm and they are all extremly sharp, more so than any regular lenses I have used.
I primarily use only macro and long lenses and 90mm is the best general purpose focal length if you shoot ff.
Therefore I do not actally need a new 90mm macro.
If this lens does turn out to be substantially better than the Tamron 90mm macro I currently have I would consider getting it plus a new high mp camera…if it ever comes out.
Unfortunately I will still also need a high mp Canikon to go with the 150-600 sigma..when that finally comes in.
I am considering either the Canon 5ds r or the Nikon d810.
The camera would be permenantly used with just that one lens and the new 1.4x tele
Any suggestions on what camera would be best for that lens?
No.
Is this true? I remember this was asked many times around Photokina and everyone said even with the converters on the 28/2 the aperture would remain the same (21/2 and 16/2).
On this french site:
“These two converters, which are fixed on the front of the bayonet 28 mm, transform it into 21 mm f / 2.8 and 16 mm f / 3.5.”
Macro lenses always tend to be the sharpest lenses out there so there is no surprise if it is sharper than the 35mm. Admin, stop posting over the top headlines. It really tarnishes any dignity this site has.
Sure to be a $1500 plus lens. That is how Sony plans to get more customers.
“Pretty good” != “the very sharpest”.