Sony A7rII vs Canon 5Ds size comparison (CameraSize).
A7rII and new RX preorders:
You can now preorder the new Sony cameras in US stores. Click on the store name to place your order and be among the first to get the camera in early August:
A7rII at Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, Uniquephoto.
RX10m2 at Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, Uniquephoto.
RX100m4 at Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, Uniquephoto.
In Europe at:
A7rII at Sony DE, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT. Wex UK.
RX100m4 at DE, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT. Wex UK.
RX100m2 at DE, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT. Wex UK.
In Asia at:
A7rII at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
RX10m2 at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
RX100m4 at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
Kai and the A7rII:
This week the Canon 5Ds 50 Megapixel camera started to ship via many stores like Amazon US. But the new A7rII really stole the spotlight from the Canon. Even not-so-Sony-friendly Kai from Digitalrev just posted an article saying the A7rII is a “Canon 5Ds R Killer“:
High-resolution, 5-axis stablisation, 4k video, faster autofocus, better shutter – these are not marginal improvements but rather changes of a colossal scale. Other camera manufacturers should take note: the a7R II is how a product update should be done.
When you look at what Canon are coming up with and then what Sony are doing, you can’t help but think that Canon are holding something back, playing it safe. In this comparison, there is no comparison because it has become quite apparent that Sony is the one that we should be eagerly anticipating to make the next big moves.
My thoughts: I believe the Sony A7rII 42MP files will match the Canon 5Ds files in terms of resolution because of the newers Sony sensor technology. And I have no doubt dynamic range will be higher ont he Sony! Can’t wait to see the comparison between the two to see if I was right with my speculations!
One more thing: Hugh Brownstones thoughts about the A7rII:
Store links:
In USA:
A7rII at Amazon (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Uniquephoto.
RX10m2 at Amazon (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Uniquephoto.
RX100m4 at Amazon (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Uniquephoto.
In Asia at:
A7rII at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
RX10m2 at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
RX100m4 at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
108 Responses
It just killed my D800e! =(
lol 🙂
in some ways, mine too, if I still had mine.. I used to have it and have really missed it. it was and remains a fine camera and camera system. But, unfortunately size and weight restrictions or bulkiness for personal comfort and mobility with travel was quite cumbersome.
check your camera, it still takes works and takes great photos, oh shoot, it is not the camera that takes great photos, it is you 😉
I am often able to stitch multiple pictures together to get the higher resolution pictutres I need.
Its a lot of work and not suitable for most subjects.
But no matter how skilled I am I cannot succesfully stitch multiple images of moving animals to get a 42mp picture from a 24 or 36mp sensor.
Nor can I carry a mf camera and get 50mp shots of birds in flight.
So your claim that a sufficiently skilled photographer can still take great photos…while it sounds great and has some THEORETICAL truth to it is simply not true in practice and I reject it.
The fact is better tools will produce a better product.
High-res does not equal a good photo Barry.
I can take hundreds of pictures of my shoe (or whatever) and stitch away in Photoshop for hours… but if the composition or final product has no real artistic merit, it’s just a high resolution photo of my shoe.
High-res images are a useful tool, in your case they work as references for your artwork (paintings I believe?), for others it gives them room to crop.
But tools don’t make art. People do.
True! however the photographers technical and/or creative ability is just as important, having one without the other (which ever one) is a limitation. They are EQUALLY important IMO 🙂
Yeah I don’t get why people argue for one side or the other you need BOTH equally!
But it’s you who gets back pain not the camera…
I’m not entirely convinced that the A7rii AF can track like a D800/D810. Or if it’s even as good as the A6000. And Sony won’t AF Nikon lenses.
The issue with Nikon lenses has been that Nikon has a mechanical linkage to the diaphram, and everyone else uses an electronic linkage.
Autofocus would be no more difficult than Canon.
A new adapter can easily be made that will either contain a motor for the Nikon diaphram and autofocus……or just autofocus and have a manual diaphram.
I expect we we soon see lots of new adapters being made.
I still think they will remain third party for now for legal reasons.
nikon af lens with aperture motor is coming soon
” THE END OF AN ERA FOR CANON”
“Sony cut the umbilical cord for Canon lenses”
The number of used A7r and A7 bodies is probably about to sky rocket
Keeping my A7 for backup; worth more to have if new one fails as backup.
A7r maybe but you can buy 3 A7 bodies and still have plenty of change left for a 28mm f2 lens compared to one A7rII.
I don’t know if this has already been covered but for people who need bracketing and hated the a7r’s options:
A7r II has
3 Image: 0.3 EV, 0.5 EV, 0.7 EV, 1.0 EV, 2.0 EV, 3.0 EV
5 Image: 0.3 EV, 0.5 EV, 0.7 EV, 1.0 EV, 2.0 EV, 3.0 EV
9 Image: 0.3 EV, 0.5 EV, 0.7 EV, 1.0 EV
and bracketing with self timer
from Brian smiths field test http://briansmith.com/field-test-sony-a7rii/
edit: also min shutter speed for auto iso 🙂
A lot of wedding photographers seem to use Canon DSLRs. I could imagine the A7rII becoming a quick favorite with this group, especially with fast AF through adapters.
I wouldn’t be so sure. Pro photography is so much more than just image quality and features. I really doubt a7RII will match Canon 5Dm3 in normal day-to-day shooting. None of the a7 did and the newest body camera really doesn’t change much in shooting quality. This update is mostly about numbers.
I best wedding shooters would go for a7S (if any) for its low light and video capabilities.
Moreover, wedding photographers are possibly the least concerned about camera size. 🙂
Pure fantasy, but good therapy for anyone who spent $3000 on a 5DM3.
Someone who spent $3000 on a 5Dm3 for work most likely earned multiple of that already, so surely he doesn’t mind. 🙂
That seems like a much better deal than sit at home and wait for the first FE body made with photography professionals in mind (or an essential lens). Time will show if a7RII is such body, but it seems they’re holding back for a second FE series (mystical a9).
A7rii has superb low light and video capability…far beyond Canon.
Add to that dynamic range and low noise.
As I said: I’m sure Sony IQ is better than Canon’s (surely with Canon lenses).
But pro photography is about so much more than the IQ.
Canon 5D series has been wedding shooters’ favourite for years. Many people still didn’t switch from Mark II.
It is unlikely that 5D’s IQ will suddenly become not good enough, just because Sony added 6 MPx to their top pixel count.
Other things are still in favour of Canon.
First of all: hoping that wedding shooters will switch to an unsealed camera is pretty naive. To this day Sony hasn’t made a sealed E/FE-mount body. I really doubt they did it this time, because a7RII shares most panels with a7II. But if they could make it as robust as A77, that would help a lot.
A7rii is wheather sealed, and Canon users do not need to switch they can just buy and use an A7Rii
The days where you must commit to a single system are over
a7RII is NOT weather sealed. Seriously.
As with ALL previous a7 models, there is a lot of rumors and hype and people start to believe the body is sealed. They’ve read it so many times in comments! It must be true! 😀
I’m sure will even see some reviews mentioning weather sealing, which will show that the author either:
1) doesn’t know how a sealed body looks,
2) didn’t test the camera, but writes a review based on other people’s work.
Both very sad…
Checked the specs….my error.
that’s only your guess, as a wedding photographer/videographer for the last 10 years, camera’s size and weight really does matters. I used heavy DSLR and a 4KG EX3 camcorder which hurt my shoulder permanently
And the larger gear bangs here and there when moving around… I have some of my gear dinged and scratched. Well clumsy me… But I left event photography long time ago, just strictly portrait and product shots~=)
Agree: more pros than cons
+ silent shutter (church)
+ more lightweight (carry around all day long)
– 2nd card-slot missing for auto-backup
Lack of dual card slots will be show stopper for many wedding photographers. In some countries loss of images because of card malfunction and not using camera with backup card can be qualified as negligence in the court…
Can be somewhat worked ariund by card shuffling, and using two cameras for ceremony to limit the possible damage.
Of course losing card or getting robbed is probably more likely than malfunction of top cards, but one can never be too safe.
Wifi sync of full size jpegs via playmemories app might be viable for most critical parts, but it is too slow to be considereda viable alternative to second slot. Eyefi is as slow.
On other hand people were shooting with single card cameras before dual cards became the craze 🙂
I switched professionally to Sony two years ago. I shoot weddings with the A7 and A7ii. My expectations have been met and blown away many times over. Amazing EVFs mean chimping has all but disappeared. I get what I want on the first shot and the real time adjustments have changed everything. I can’t imagine how bad Nikon and Canon are kicking themselves for not capitolizing on the mirrorless revolution like Olympus, Fuji, and Sony have. Four bad Nikons in a row sent me packing and right to Sony’s doorstep. The A7Rii is just more proof I made the right decision.
I can’t believe this, sounds like hyperbole. We shoot weddings and know many doing so, too. CAF is not reliable enough for us. We tried the A7ii to no avail. The D750 and D810 are in an other league here, especially if you take the system into account (flash, etc.). I am sure we will get better and better performance with upcoming Sony bodies, but the A7 certainly is not there yet. What is the problem getting your exposure right with professional DSLR bodies? We don’t have any.
I never have once used CAF for my weddings. I like to be the focusing the whole time. Call me old fashioned but I don’t trust the CAF on most cameras especially when it comes to making sure I capture every moment of a wedding. As far as getting exposure right, when looking through an optical viewfinder you will never be able to see how highlights etc are affecting the overall image. I can literally compensate for everything right as it’s happening. I shot the D750 and D800 and found them to be overkill especially on my neck by the end of the day. I can get unbelievable results in a camera half the size. Who wouldn’t like the size reduction? An EVF means less editing for me later. There is a reason that so many pros are switching to mirrorless. It is the future and one day the big boys will catch up to Sony.
On Specs, the A7rII finally gives me all that I have been waiting for and more. The Nikon D800e was and is close, very close to my ideal camera, except for the size when traveling and moving around a lot. Granted, I am sure the only liability of the Sony or any mirrorless option is that I grew up with Nikon and have found their control system to be ideally suited to my style. But, Sony finally swayed me. I have always thought in full frame and larger formats, due to how I learned and developed in the darkroom labs at school and at home. I hope I can get mine soon! 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygxp-1fwhRw
Let’s see if Lok finally starts to use a better camera for their videos…
Anyone else read that quote in Kai’s voice?
And I’m thinking the same
Glad to see I am not the only one!
Well…50 > 42 :))
Sony argues 50MP would have more noise, and worse video quality.
And that is your best argument? The IQ scores of the 5Ds is also not that spectacular if you didn’t notice. Too much DR and Noise was sacrificed making the megapixels not so much as justified as, say, the D810.
canon is getting pissed on, deal with it…..
Nikon D4s= 16 mpix
Nokia Lumia1020= 41 mpix
Nokia better than D4s 2.5 times, math dont lie.
remember?
http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2015/02/funnymugs1.jpg
What goes around comes around
Well, not by much. Canon’s extra MP is like icing on the solid A7R2’s cake. Might look pretty, but somewhat redundant, unless they make a 80MP or something…
Anyone has the same problem with A7II App Store?
I live In Brazil.
Thanks.
EF Mount is dead
FE is the new EF
EF Canon. Nikon has already been FXed. Sony is the FEkking king now!
You could say that when Sony hardly has any equivalent optics to what the EF system currently offers
FE 70-200 itself doesn’t even compare to Canon’s
FE 24-70 itself is rubbish compared to Canon’s
FE doesn’t even have 400s, 500s, 600s and 800mm glas let alone Tilt Shift lenses
A7Rii, the Canon killer
and?…. the journalists or reporter buy furthermore the canon cameras. And the most from the profiles furthermore canon or nikon.
And while we’re on the subject of … :
The Sony 60 MP Sensor (SAR rumored this perceived 100x) comes according to a insider information in the new Nikon D5. The text is in German:
https://projekte.momente-der-natur.de/nikon-d5-mit-60-megapixel-sensor/
I expect both the A9 in September and the ff f mount mirrorless Nikon coming late this year eill both have higher resolution than this 42mp sensor.
tt’s a good question. Comes only the D5 with the 60MP Sensor or also a a9 with the 60MP Sensor?
I think:
The nikon D5 comes before the a9. The Nikon D5 would be a very high price version from the high resolution sensor. The Sony a9 would be cost more than the a7rII but lesser than the D5 and comes months behind the release from the D5 (approx mid 2016).
Couldn’t imagine a sports camera with 60MP this soon. A D5x, maybe…
For a lot of people, myself included, the small size of the A7 series works against it when you attach a large lens to it – it just doesn’t balance well enough to shoot comfortably all day. The zeiss 135mm f1.8 on my A7r gives me amazing quality, but boy am I sore after an hour. It’s actually more comfortable to use the big zeiss on the heavier FF A-mount. Same deal with the Hasselblad H system – it’s heavy, but the grip is held like a gun, so it takes the load off of your left hand/bicep.
That’s why Sony offers the battery grip. When you want to use A7x with big lenses, put on the grip. When you want a compact camera, remove the battery grip. The best of both world!
135 on A7 series sucks. But the A7II is different. Have you mounted it on that yet?
May purchase, but will wait to see if there is a FF option coming with the EVF in my preferred location, the corner rather than middle. (A9 perhaps or even S35 A7000 would suffice)
When using long lenses finding the subject can be difficult.
A central viewfinder allows sighting over the end of the lens.
That is why all pro level cameras have the viewfinder in the center.
You will not see a corner viewfinder in a high end camera.
Even among those who want a corner viewfinder half will reject it for being on the left and half will reject it for being on the right
It’s an *E*vf. It doesn’t matter where it is.
In fact, the corner mounted EVF’s work better with human faces. (as long as that human has a nose.)
this was not the point animalsbybarry was pointing to…and it does matter, for the reason he pointed to…
Take a sniper rifle, seen one with the optics mounted… anywhere but not on top in the centre? 😉
A camera is not sa sniper rifle. Just point the camera in the direction of the subject; Look in the EVF; Move the camera accordingly.
If someone feels the need to have the VF directly over the lens, they are an idiot, and incapable of logical thought.
And, to Barry’s contention that the reason “pro” cameras have the VF in the center is due to the photographers wanting line of sight? Nonsense. It’s in the center due to the physical necessity of the mirror reflex system.
garypen. It seems to me it’s you who does not understand.
Let me give you an example:
You are trying to shoot birds. You have a lens that has a FOV of 5 deg or less. You see the bird sitting on a brach but it is far away so you only see it as a little dot with naked eye. Of course the tree has many similar branches as do the trees next to it. In the VF you only see couple of branches that are very similiar to each other so you don’t really know where the lens is pointing exactly and of course you don’t know which way you need to turn your camera to get the bird in the frame. So it is much easyer if the VF is in the middle of the camera because you can keep your eye very close to your VF when you point your camera to the direction of the bird by looking along the lens before you look through the view finder. If your VF is in the corner this is much harder to do without movin the camera (or your hands) so that the bird is still in the frame when you look through the VF.
So why would any camera manufacturer put the VF in the corner on a pro body and lose wild life photographers?
Because it makes no difference.
I shoot rifles, in addition to moderately long lenses.
If your brain can’t handle the “complexity” of an off-center EVF, then your brain is the problem, not the equipment. It is a minor mental adjustment..
The fact is that a corner EVF fits the human face much better, assuming you are a human with a nose. Of course, there are exceptions, such as people who have poor or no vision in their right eye, or no right eye at all.
A camera with a long lens is exactly like a sniper rifle…you need to aquire your target, aim and shoot in the little bit of time the target is accessable.
Clearly you do not shoot long lenses and have no idea how to use one.
But a pro level camera is desighned for takingpictures, not for sitting comfortably on the noses of people who cant see past thier noses…..and then you would need a left and right sided version of each camera too.
So stop waiting for a real camera and buy the toy camera that fits your face.
It is too difficult to aim long lenses with side mounted viewscreen. So it will not happen.
I am half blind in my right eye, so I need the EVF on the right or centre side. Thank you TomV
I don’t buy into hype. This isn’t hype though. It’s a real game changer. A tour de force of absolute camera annihilation.
I thought that Sony has poor autofocus, like all A7 bodies. So, it can not kill normal dslr performance.
Correct. Even the a6000 which has the fastest focus of all Sony mirrorless cameras it is not as fast as a fast DSLR. I doubt the A7rII will be as fast either. So for demanding autofocus situations like sports it’s best to stay with a DSLR for the time being.
you won’t use a 5Ds for sports….
I use my six year old D700 for action and it works great.
Did you base this on mere FPS rating? cause you know 5DSR has the same AF and metering system as the 1Dx in which none of the current A-mount SLTs let alone A6000 could match against
Correct, the 2% of photographers that shoot sport for a living shouldn’t buy the A7rII. Just leaving the 98%, where it is not an issue at all…
my guess is more than 2% shoot moving objects e. g. kids, animals and sports.
It’s not that simple. The a6000 is actually faster than most DSLRs at certain types of focusing. But some DSLRs have more complex and refined AF options that allow a higher keep rate. If I were shooting a wedding I’d use a D750. If I were shooting a puppy in the backyard I’d use an a6000. Sports photography is the only niche that probably wouldn’t use the a7r II, but that has as much to do with lenses and that while ecosystem as it does with the AF module in the camera. If you’re not a sh***y photographer, you should be able to produce professional work with almost any current APS-C system or better.
Sorry but my six year old D700 will easily out focus the a6000. Also, even Sony says the A7rII is only 40% better than the A7r which is slow compared to a pro DSLR. The bottom line is mirrorless is still not there yet when it comes to fast auto focus.
What about “world’s fastest af” is unclear? Sure, the a6000 might not always have the worlds fastest at, but, like mentioned, it proves a point. You’re determined to paint in black and white, so I guess there’s no debating.
http://petapixel.com/2014/05/25/rundown-puts-5-mirrorless-cameras-autofocus-up-against-the-nikon-d4s/
maybe “world’s fastest af” for a mirrorless camera but not when put up against a pro DSLR…it’s not even a close call.
Define poor – compared to my a77 it’s like going from a shotgun to a sniper rifle.
Maybe yours A77 is defective?
I’m going to wait for full reviews when people actually had a chance to use the camera
What Sony is truly missing is a program similar to NPS or CPS. Pro shooters need support if they have camera malfuctions or lens issues. My 70-200 dropped last summer and NPS replaced the VR motor and lens mount, had it returned to me in less than a week and didn’t charge me a dime. I love my mirrorless cameras, but untill a Pro program is instituted, my Nikon will stay in my bag.
There is SPS
You just haven’t joined it.
There is such program in US and Germany. It was started year or more ago.
I`d like to kill my 5D Mark III.
And Sony is (or was) a candidate with lighter bodies and sensors capable of excellent performance. But the increasing weight and the increasing volume, and the lack of an outstanding standard zoom just recomm, end me to keep my heavy but excellent DSLR system.
The headline is again weird in my opinion. Has Kai (his videos are mostly very superficial in my opinion) tested them side by side in different situations? Is the spec sheet nowadays the holy grail?
smart people make conclusions based on experiences, we all know 5dsr has the same cmos tech as 7d2, its just a full frame version. expect the same DR
Very likely. The Sony sensor will be superior, but the term “kills” is over the top.
His videos are somewhat superficial because the vast majority of the audience is interested in the immediate impression of gear and its every day performance. Intense, number rich reviews make most glaze over.
As for “killing” Canon, it is a hyperbolic turn of phrase used by younger people to indicate demonstrable superiority.
and still no possibility to order that “killer” from Sony europe.. it’s a pity… even not mentioned on Sony germany’s website
God forbid anyone should use a dead camera to take pictures. The output would likely be zombie-ish.
I think it will turn the subjects in to the living dead, canon will destroy man kind if they don’t step up their sensor game!
Sony research team and a very impressive cameras (professional cameras and professional cinema grade video (i laugh to see how cost EOS cinema line and EOS C10 XD 1″ sensor XD). Canon is at game over or innovate or dead.
wtf would he know? Stupid thing to say before testing both cameras side by side. The canon will be suited to one type of person and the Sony to another.
Just like a stupid thing to write before you have read the entire (not very long) article. Towards the end:
“I’m not going to say that the Sony a7R II is a better camera than the Canon 5Ds R,
I’m not comparing the cameras as such. But what should be compared are
the approaches of the respective manufacturers of each camera.”
I feel like I’m reading “West Side Story” with all this “Canon vs Sony” commentary (grabs glass of red wine and cheese…waiting for someone to stab someone else)
I love Kai’s reviews, very entertaining, but sometimes you have to them with a grain of salt. One thing I will state about Sony over Canon as a company, I feel like they listened to the people that complained about the issues from the previous 7 series bodies, and responded with an excellent camera. I didn’t feel the same about canon, they have their own agenda.
You guys are pretty funny… Sony & Canon introduces some great cameras and instead of simply being happy about it you immediately start bitching and arguing with each other. But hey, at least it’s really amusing to read the constant war going on in the commentary field. Who the hell cares if your camera brand is the “best”? Are you happy with your camera? Good! Shut up then and be happy! 🙂
people will find any reason to fight. the conversation could be about candy and it would probably end with shots fired.
Kai is a moron. He’s a bitchy self-absorbed twat who is 90% fluff and 10% opinion. How is this even a valid post? Read the comments… no one actually cares what he thinks– they just want to fight about brands.
Though Kai may be over the top often, canon will have a problem on their hands if they don’t respond. The ability to hand hold, have fast accurate focus, and deliver stunning high resolution stills and video is simply the benchmark all others cameras in this class will be judged.
Still no independent evaluation of images from the camera. Specification champ is easy, delivering is something else.
“In this comparison, there is no comparison” hahaha
A body is worthless without quality lenses and the FE lens selection is an absolute joke compared to Canon, especially if you shoot portraits. Not to mention how bad the Sony AF system is across all A7x bodies, its garbage, especially in low light. Canon wins easily.