Pocket Lint (Click here) compared the Nikon V1 versus the Sony NEX-5n and comes to the conclusion that the V1 is actually better. I want to hear you’re comments on that. My opinion on that? Some of their points are really weird. But let’s start the discussion to see why Pocket Lint may be right (or wrong).
P.S.: Engadget compared the Sony NEX-C3 and the new Nikon J1 sensor size comparison (Scroll the article to see the image). And there is a ISO comparison at Focus Numerique.
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with no actual pictures? Pointless
What pictures, the whole thing is ridiculous!
The article has the only picture it needs—something with a “Nikon” logo slapped on it. I don’t mean that in a bitter way, because Nikon deserves the goodwill it has built over the years, but that is the reality of it. A couple of days ago a lot of people were wondering what could possibly possess Nikon users (yes, even comparatively tech-savvy ones like the authors of this faux comparison) to consider purchasing one of these in light how it stood up against other offerings, but with a couple of days to process everything, we get a deeper glimpse into the mindset of some of Nikon’s faithful. It was particularly evident in the lens comparison where, despite Sony having a fuller lineup of dedicated lenses, Nikon was deemed superior on the strength of its track record alone, which is basically implying that Nikon wins *every* lens comparison by default.
What’s more, earlier today the Nikon 1 V1 was up to 14th on US Amazon’s digital camera best-sellers chart, so there are certainly a lot of users out there who are already committed to this product.
Looks like the V1 beats everything except the 5N.. I’m still really surprised it beat the micro 4/3 cams. How is that possible?
The test image doesn’t contain much details. One can’t really judge ISO performance from the images. Well, at least to me, a sign of good high ISO performance is the ability to preserve details. (As for colors, one can use B&W or Sepia filter as the workaround.)
And if you look carefully at the sole detail in the image – the “A6” label, V1 doesn’t really look all that impressive. At least when compared to e.g. G3. (Olys in high ISO are junk.)
V1 is only useable up to maximum of ISO800, what you can clearly see on the pictures. Even Panasonic is much better in ISO performance. NEX5N is top up to ISO 3200!
With a 2.7x crop factor?
Definitely not.
I post this on them. Most likely gone now, though.
“The size of sensor alone is enough to make mother naikhon cry.
Simply said,not once in my life I’ve ever seen a bias this great.
Viewfinder-
Both at 100%(2.6x and not 100%? Duh) But Nex-5 1.09 magnification is a lot bigger than most Nikhon APS-C DSLR. Not to mention the resolution, oh maybe not, because unless it has 2.6 magnification ratio, then it most likely be smaller and more pixel densed.
That said. She said nothing can beat the price of money, so they choose nikon as the winner. Smart.
Processor-
How can you explain a processor that cannot do 60p is better? Wait, you said “as of now”. If your “as of now” think it will produce noise free images at max ISO that is.
Burst speed-
Ok, I don’t even get your biased logic here. 60FPS right? This camera has 10MPX yet can only produce 2MPX images and you compare it to Sony in full res.
Another thing, 60FPS at 2MPX but can only shoot 30. So much for your “600MPX” processor.
Lenses-
“That aside, don’t forget that Nikon has gone and stuck the NIKKOR brand onto the new Nikon 1 system camera lenses.”
That said after praising the competitor lenses first. Typical fanboy comment don’t you thing?
Conclusion-
Okay, after seeing the score, Nikon won 6 out of 11 comparison. But this is not weighted at all. The sensor alone should have weight more than half of this comparison thing. Ohhh..”
Totally agree! what the use of taking 60FPS of crappy photos compared to 10 FPS of commercially usable ones.
Yeah, now that the big guns enter the game, the bias can be totally awful and idiotic.
You will definitely defend your 20 years long wife even if she killed someone right? Well, not exactly, because most of you will ditch your wife anyway. But SOME, I said some imbeciles did choose to stick beyond any reason.
If you ever see that kind of person, don’t forget to stamp your big “LOL” on their face.
Not that I would like the V1, but just out of interest: In the press release, they say “60fps at full resolution (10M)”. That does sound impressive in my ears. (But even if that’s the case, there are 20 other more important reasons why the NEX-5N would be preferable…) Where did you get the 60fps@2MP-info from?
Hmm.. My bad.. I read it here at DPreview but they edited it and post editing notes in green. I believe they say 1920×1080 only before.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1109/11092120nikonlaunch.asp
At least they tried 🙂 60fps sounds interesting.
By the way, so what’s the real specs about the burst mode?
Now that I think about it, what’s shooting at 60fps for? Wouldn’t you get tired of trying to sort through your photos?
It’s 60FPS at 10MPX for 30frames I believe.
@z & acolyte: Specs say that it’s 10fps with mechanical shutter and 30 or 60fps with electronic shutter.
Apparently, the electronic shutter isn’t a true global shutter and must have some disadvantages when compared to the mechanical one (why would they otherwise ever use the mechanical one?).
This makes me believe that the electronic shutter works similar to the rolling shutter during video. So finally, we get rolling shutter-effects in still images? Great feature! Awesome that we get these effect when shooting fast action at 30 or 60fps. Those are exactly the situations where a rolling shutter adds nice artefacts that would be really difficult to generate in postprocessing.
If all this is true, the usefulness of the 60fps-mode can still be questioned.
60fps at 2Mp, is really great. It is a new thing… called video 🙂 just saved frame by frame
@Dennis
If I remember well the electronic shutter affects the sensor in terms of DR, ISO and even blooming (correct me if I am wrong).
the only comment worth making is “lol”
lol! agree 😛
LOL!
WTF!!!!
“Is the NIkon V1 really better than the Sony NEX-5n?”
Is this a lame joke…?
ROFLMAO!!!
VERY FUNNY!!!!!
You beat me to it…LOL too
Никон – жадные клоуны. бояться убить продажи говнофота D3100.
what? comparing pacquiao vs mayweather? definately pacquiao defeats gayweather! LOL
I think I made some pretty valid points against their case in PL’s comments but they appear as steadfast Nikon users
Nice work Matt! haha. The only interesting point was about autofocus and in-built evf… Processing speed, I guess… if you need that for high speed photography and burst shots…
simply…BS!
this is the funniest joke ever!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pAfbuD90O4
the 2.7x crop factor of the N1 is great for telephoto…..is it? Well, you see its like this: A while ago someone invented this stuff called image editing software which allows you to crop images…its great, try it! So if you take the 16MP NEX-5N image and use this new-fangled software stuff to crop to the central 10MP, to equal the N1 res (roughly 2-thirds), then you get an image which simulates an overall crop just fraction bigger than that of the N1 at the same resolution and I’ll bet rather better quality (larger photosites on NEX). So where’s the advantage????? —— sometimes I fear for the future of the human race :-S
But the 24MP NEX7/A77 has its problems right? 😉 So which one will we lean to now? More pixels or less but more quality? XD
And it sounds like the 5N is a winner here :p
People that buy cameras fall into two major categories
1. Informed (pros, advanced amateurs, gadget freaks)
2. Uninformed (soccer moms, people who just want memories on paper)
No one from 1. will get that thing, m43 is smaller with better lens lineup, now just as fast and has a bigger sensor. NEX has bigger lenses but image quality is years ahead and both are better suited for legacy lenses than Nikon.
People from category 2. have different criteria for choosing cameras: size, simplicity, looks and most important price.
Sizewise the Nikon loses to GF3-EPM1 and Nex with the 16 2.8. Simplicity looks the same. Looks…oh my the V1 is ugly.
And finally price: that thing is uglier and more expensive than the competition.
I believe that not all cameras must be made for us in the forums but the Nikon missed the mark for the uninformed user as well (IMHO).
PS I might get the J1 because of the high speed video which I need for some of my projects but how many people are like me (GAS attack victim)
Excellent analysis !
But it comes in pink!!!!!!!!!
right 😀
Plus there will be a lot of people only buying it due to the Brand-name Nikon, Advertisings or possibly because of the Advice of Employees of there Local Tec-Stores especially if the Profit Margin for them is higher.
Welcome to the wonderful world of Capitalism.
They probably sell only, because it’s written Nikon on it. Then it MUST be good… or not?
Yep. Just like entire Coolpix series. Only good thing in it is the Nikon label which people seem to love over any features.
“Crop factor is a major issue when it comes to mirrorless systems, as is the amount of megapixels you cram onto such a tiny space. The more megapixels, the more problems with noise – something you definitely don’t want…” WTF!? I think the pixel density is higher in Nikon, or how?
LOL they might even compare V/J 1 with M9 and say, Nikon won hands down due to price, size and being a small crop factor…
For me the funny part was how they concluded the EXPEED 3 is better than Bionz… do they have these processors’s specs to claim these???? if Sony markets Bionz as Bionz 4, will it win as Expeed is only at 3????
God save these reviewers and unboxers…
Hi:
The real comparison will be Nikon J1 vs. Nex-5N and Nikon V1 vs. Nex-7, but there is no way to compare a 13.2 X 8.8 mm. sensor vs. an APS-C sensor (23.5 X 15.6 mm. for the Nex system, this means 4X the size). Nikon 1 is a toy camera system compared with Sony Nex.
At the end he says that comparing the two is “like comparing mac and windows”.
Well there you go. He’s got it in a nutshell. No contest 😉
Does that make m4/3 Linux?
It’s more like comparing quad core to a single core.
I also want. It is DDR vs Rambus :p
Does the Nikon adapter also has a mirror that will be able to use phase detection autofocus?
The N1 has Phase Detection AF on the sensor. No need to have a mirror.
What it doesn’t have is screw drive motor nor does camera
There are sample images already, Maybe admin missed it
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NIKONJ1/NIKONJ1GALLERY.HTM
No chance against Sony but it could scare olympus and panasonic 🙂
and yes, one word says it all : LOL
I think the author of the article never used F1.2 or F1.4 lens with a APS-C or Full frame camera, simple rule – bigger is better
I checked the images from J1 on Image Resource… they do look same as images from my old G11!!! Check the images at ISO800… or even the one of a “model” last one there at ISO 100, total CRAP!
I do like that the Nikon has phase detection built into the sensor, but that’s all I like about it. It still feels like Nikon will come up short when it comes to sales. Pink camera and all.
Lets first see how well their PDAF works.
Fuji already had this and was not quite up to snuff.
Nikon however have been known for their excellent AF.
People say nex-7’s 24Mp is to many for noise. These have the equivalent of 33Mp for noise purposes but only 10 for resolution. So it’s worst of both worlds. +
ahahahahahahahah!! is that a review? or some nikon fan with is pride hurt?
You can’t seriously compare APS-C to an 1-inch-sensor.
Okay, 10MP is enough for A4 prints at 300 dpi, so if one is leaving the “ideal” full frame format, this might be a quite consequent step, but seeing E-Mount as a concept to grow photography and video together – as I do – Nikon hasn’t even started to compete with that. Nikon 1 is an additional EVIL concept for those already using Nikon DSLR.
But if Nikon would have asked me I’d suggested to develop a full frame alternative to NEX to take advantage of their massive lens collection. Probably Canon will do…
A full frame alternative to the NEX would have been a digital Nikon SP
nikon is just killing himself…
BTW pocket-lint.com says “The GPS on the Sony NEX-5N is built in”. Did anybody find that function – maybe while searching for the clicking reason?
At least Nikon is launching this camera with four lenses ~ and I expect they will come out with more soon. The phase detection AF built into the sensor is also good.
The sensor in m4/3 cameras is quite old – with a smaller but much more recent sensor it is not that surprising if Nikon is able to match current m4/3 cameras. But then, with their larger sensor area, m4/3 will always have more room to improve than Nikon in the future.
Of course NEX always will have the potential do better than either.
the accessory category went to the v1 because there is an external micro and no for Sony … :D:D:D
actually there is a microphone
Yes, there is a NEX microphone from Sony and the ECM-SST1 is quite a good one – completely enough for my needs. But the Nikon 1 V1 offers a standard cinch to connect whatever one likes. Depending on one’s personal video importance only a small up to a massive advantage. Therefore this point is going to Nikon.
After my EP1 I fancied the NEX3 for some months. On Monday I got the WHITE NEX 5N and adore the cam totally.
To this new desperate crap from Nikhon….
IT IS F*CKIN’ UGLY!
It’s Ren Kockwell in disguise~!!!
muhahahaha !O
No, even Ren Kockwell hates the V1…
What BS how do they get Nikon as the winner on what I have read. Not worth further comment!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiKcd7yPLdU
I guess if you really want to shill for somebody you can always find a way to do so. At least Apple, with its famous RDF, has tremendous products to go along with the hype. Pocket Lint? Heck, their RDF seems to point right into the trash bin.
Ridiculous!!! Talking about lenses, they said clearly that the Nikon lenses has more quality en general than Sony!!! Compare the “G’s” and Zeiss’ to the best Nikons and the quality is actually similar, depending on specific lenses. It’s true that the Nikon sistem has more options, but how many people would fit a 500mm/f4 to these compact cameras? What about image quality?….
what Zeiss lens you mean? same overpriced 24mm f/1.8? keep it for yourself 🙂
I think you didn’t get his point.
Absolutely. The Nikon’s best lenses are not a bargain as well…
My estimate from the feedback from
http://nikonrumors.com/2011/09/21/another-nikon-1-recap.aspx/
and…
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1109/11092120nikonlaunch.asp
is 75% NEGATIVE
😉
A higher rating than the US Congress. So what? Exactly how do you intend to make that statistically significant to a population?
Not to worry Thom
With a world population of 6.8 billion even the Nikon 1 can sell in significant numbers.
Hah sure.. when pigs start to fly.
Nikon 1 is crap, period. It cant beat m4/3s, no way it can beat NEX, its eons far from NEX quality. From sample photos I saw from Pentax Q, guess what.. it cant beat even that in photo quality. 😀
They should rename it to Nikon 1st Epic Fail Camera. Only idiots will buy it.. tho, theres always plenty of them. 😀
No no no. Nikon’s first real epic fail was the Pronea S.
Yeah. I went there. 🙂
Heh yea I kinda remembered that too, tho from today point of view APS body isnt that much of fail. In film times it was different, kinda miss that ability of having 35mm with no big price tag to it.
Can’t beat your m4/3 at what? Chess? Oh wait, it might with that big bandwidth processor. Badminton? Hmm, the big flat front might help there. Poker? Well maybe, but the Nikon starts with a bigger bankroll. ;~)
I think you might want to actually look at some real controlled test samples. The results I’ve seen say this new Nikon sensor is performing quite well. Indeed, given the smaller photosite area, it’s performing above the line, at least if the sample I have access to is accurate. We’ll see when the actual cameras roll out. But I think once again Nikon may have made a sensor advance that sticks out above the expected performance level, and that should be worrisome to others, if true.
Even if the IQ is on the m43 level, the m43 system is still much more appealing. Frankly, the only reason these V1 and J1 will sell would be uninformed people.
I agree Thom. With this J1 my pictures are all super sharp throughout the frame. I won’t have to worry about blurry background anymore. Awesome!
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9716229576/why-make-a-small-sensor-mirrorless-camera
And they just have to defend it so much.
Back then, I wouldn’t mind the V1 though. It seems suited enough for my needs before I ramp to DSLR, so I think they did one thing right – for people like I was back then – which, is a temporary customer. (In my case, I got the Sony DSC-F828 before ramping up to A100, from a p&s)
Now, look at the comments under that post as well.
The rage..
Whomever wrote that review must have been high…
$$ makes you high.
Haaaaa, it’s a joke.
A real disappointment of the Nikon 1 system is not the camera as such, but the very slow lenses for big prices. A small chip is ok as long as a lens gathers enough light for it. I know C-Mount f/1.3 lenses that would make such a camera a real performer.
I think the Nikon mirrorless is ugly, the sensor is too small and no competition for the NEX. The comparison should have been between the Nikon and the Pentax as they are both “toy” cameras very much in the line of the old Pentax 110 slr.
In fact i like its shape and for the million time don’t judge anything before using it just because you like or own Sony doesn’t mean its is better.
Oh, please some things are just obvious. I can always tell you that a car is faster than a bicycle.
Well, the Nikon 1 isn’t designed to be NEX’s competition anyway. It’s just nowhere near. Let’s not drag the NEX down to their level, shall we? 😉
The thing I like about the Nikon 1 though is it’s shape – like a Leica. And that’s where the similarity ends.
I think most miss the point. The article is meant to be controversial. It brings in us drones to moan and complain. More clicks equals more revenue.
They should be a bit more subtle in their strategy. Now they lost credibility.
Mind blown!!!
Shall … not … click … anymore
While SAR is still on the topic of the Nikon 1, here is a tasty nugget of wisdom from Ken Rockwell, who just weighed in on the new line:
“…the Nikon 1 V1 doesn’t seem to have a built-in flash, and flash is mandatory for good people photos in most light.”
Somebody buy Rockwell a Cartier-Bresson book.
on the iso comarison page i clicked in corner of map to see contors of msp and the things around edge of map. the nikon and nex-5n where almost IDENTICAL
Better check the ATI card, starting from ISO800, for example.
sorry a random return press caused comical effect. please read the compleat post below.
On the comparison page of “FOCUS NUMERIQUE” I clicked on the bottom left corner of the map so I could compare the contour lines and the things around the edge of the map. The Nikon and NEX-5N where near IDENTICAL! Only thing was Nikon on iso 100 Sony on iso 6400. At 3200 it was so far ahead it was not funny and the nikon only goes to 6400. So at Nikons highest ISO the Sony is a match for the Nikon at the Sonys lowest.
🙂
Nikon is building the wrong system with this 1 inch sensor. If they were building it for prosumers, they should’ve launched ultra-fast lenses without too much size and weight consideration to provide low-light coverage and depth of field. For regular consumers, they should’ve pulled a Panny and brought out ALL compact pancakes / pancake zooms. What they’ve done with a 1 inch sensor is pretty remarkable, enough to scare M43 I would say, but the next M43 sensor that comes out will blow them out of the water.
too early to judge for V1 or J1…
using 5N for several days concluded that the best mirrorless camera ever is here !
The new Nikon cameras lack a PASM mode dial. Doesn’t that tell you everything you need to know about the market segment Nikon is targeting with these cameras?
Well, the Nikon v1 is bigger than the nex 5n, the nikon v1 has a smaller sensor and the images it produces have a weird look to them. Plus, it costs more than the 5n. So, of course nikon will sell a billion of them. Have you noticed how Sony always got criticised for the grip on the nex cameras? Funny how the Nikon has absolutely no grip, but, no mention of poor ergonomics and such. These review places look more and more bought off. Cnet will probably love the sleek lack of grip of the Nikon. True innovation by Nikon to forego the useless grip, and hearken back to ages past. Who needs a grip when it says Nikon on the camera? Heck, it’ll hold itself. So to sum up, you get a smaller sensor than all competitors beside Pentax ‘Q’, weird looking images, no grip(grip-schmip), lesser video quality,lower quality build, and a higher price than the Nex 5n. Where do I order?
Just wait for Canon’s launch.
Despite allot of what is being said about Nikon’s new entry into the Mirror-less community. This new camera appears to be aimed squarely at the Micro 4/3.
As for this camera being competition to SONY’s NEX, no way. Both cameras are as different from sensor size to handling.
I only see Nikon’s new entry as new choice for consumers and not a threat to the SONY NEX at all.
Will nikon ditch sony from their sensors?
“Nikon’s Masahiro Suzuki, General Manager, R&D Department, Development HQ, says there were three factors in choosing the sensor size: image quality, responsiveness and ease of use (specifically in terms of portability). He says the sensor was both designed and engineered by Nikon and stressed it is ‘not built by Sony.’”
Smaller sensor isn’t necessarily a problem – as long as the equivalent combinations are covered.
Went to try out the 5N in store and AF is still a bit disappointing – if you half-press before the camera automatically finds the focus, the lens will rock back and forth wildly before settling down. This is worse than the last generation M43.
On the other hand, I doubt Nikon will ever make a 13mm F/1…
Simple math on lenses
Nikon 30-110 first
30*2.7=81
110*2.7=297
The 30-110 lens will be 81-297.
Sony 55-210
55*1.5=82.5
210*1.5=315
The 55-210 Sony lens is a comparable 82.5-315
I think 297 is less than 315.
If you count wideangle there is no contest
10mm=27mm
16mm=24mm
Sony wins again.
More lenses, Wider and Longer reach. Sony all the way!!! 🙂
Bad reviewer, bad, bad reviewer! 🙂
this is sad to see. i hope nikon wont go broke on this fail.
Haters gonna hate 🙂
I’m happy with the specs and photo output of the Nex-5N so I really don’t care what someone says about a camera which is completely uninteresting to me. I can hardly wait for Sony to fix the clicking issue one way or the other.
well onf course we are here on a sony page, its not the best think to call everything bad, which goes another way!
In my opinion the image quality of the NEX-5N is/will be unbeatable in this category at the moment. but for that small sensor I think the images dont look that bad!
And not to forget the already installed EVF and both phase detection and contrast detection AF (no NEX has it), which could be a nice point.
Also the 60 fps with full resolution !!! (Yes, not 2 MP and all are laughing … 60 fps with full resolution, its also written on the Nikon product page)
Also very nice slow motion video capabilities which would be very great to see it on a sony, at least something with 120 or 240 fps, it doesn’t need to be 1200 like the new Nikon!!!
ALso electronic shutter speed up to 1/16000, nothing compared to the 1/4000 of most of the comparable cams like the NEX-5N
so lets say, image quality should be behind the opponents, but the features really impress in my opinion:
– EVF, – 1/16000th shutter speed, – 1200 fps slow motion video, phase and contrast detection AF, …
The sensor may not be that bad, but there is better for a lower price. Also, why keep the lenses this big with a smaller sensor? And 1200fps at 320×120 doesn’t impress me much.
As for the features, only the 60fps at full res, if true, is interesting. Oh, and the AF. I’ll stick to sweep panorama and focus peaking.
Great to read comments like this!
So what if one reviewer was wrong or biased? Why are we getting so much kick out it? Commercial history is full of examples with wonderful products not being picked up by masses, or crappy ones selling like hot cakes.
I think Nikon did some interesting things with this new format. And reading the interview at DPR, it seems to make sense for their perspective. Basically their audience is different.
If they can adjust the pricing right, the “1” system can survive. And I hope it does. Competition is good.
A 1″ sensor with 10 MP makes a lot more sense to me than an APS size one with 24 MP.Also,for those whom the size is everything(to fit in your pocket)the Nikon system will be a lot smaller(lenses)than anything Sony NEX.
Uhm, the sony 18-200 (27-300) is 524g and 75x100mm, while the 10-100 (27-270) Nikon is 515g and 77x95mm.
@Vlad. Agreed. Absolutely ZERO size advantage to the 1 series. The C3 is a smaller camera, regardless of lens. And, at this point, given what’s been shown, the 1″ sensor doesn’t make enough sense to be sellable at these prices.
I like how someone here said “if we’re just looking at IQ…” bucko, that’s the first damn thing I look at. If it doesn’t have it in spades, I really don’t give a hang what else it may have. I may sell the 1 system to the blindly loyal Nikonian, or to those who need the 60fps… but the second I hear the words “available light” or “60p” or, say, “which one takes the best pictures right now?” I’m not pulling the Nikon. Not a chance.
Decato has a point. And with Nikon going to a unilateral pricing structure in mid-October, I think it’s safe to say that we’re going to see their typical Coolpix pricing philosophy take place: Overprice at launch and use instant rebates and Ashton Kutcher to make the public believe they’re getting the deal, while seeing to it the salesperson gets incentives like spiffs or free product for selling aggressively.
I’m no fan of the 1 system as it stands and feel that we’re at a point in imaging where Nikon and Canon can no longer hang their hat on legacy. With the current pricing and feature mix, Nikon is going to have to go a long way towards showing me true viability vs an NEX-5n or a G3 or the total capability of the E-P3 which, dated sensor or not, is a pretty complete camera.
Next year Nikon can give away a free V1 with every D4 purchase – they can then claim the camera is used by thousands of pros.
Why does it make more sense? Isn’t the pixel density on the 10mp 1″ sensor higher than on the 24mp APS-C sensor?
Whcih is better elephant or cargo ship…..
Color
——
Cargo Ships come mostly in red and white, elephants are always dull gray. Cargo ships win
Acceleration
————–
Elephants accelerate to top speed in 10 seconds, ships cannot accelerate in less than 3 minutes. Elephant wins!
Stamina
——-
Cargo ships can go for days without sleep and cross more than 4000 km on one route. Elephants need to rest every day and cannot cross oceans. Ships win!
User Interface
————–
…..
Kudos to mother nature and ship makers for bringing awesome elephants and fantastic cargo ships!
Hehehe.
+1
Just bullshit. But I still like the comments of the article.
‘Nuff said!
Admin…this post was necessary? Sorry but this is the most ridiculous post in SAR since the A-mount NEX-type body rumor.
Check the _last_ comment in http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/nikon-does-not-follow-sony-and-annoucnes-a-small-sensor-mirrorless-system/
The V1 is better then Sony Nex because it has the word NIKON written on the body of the camera.
It has been scientifically proven that the white letters N I K O N enables the camera to take better images. If anyone bothered to study the groupings N I and K O N you will clearly see the advantages it provides.
Owning the N I K O N automatically makes you a professional, no skill required. The reason why the cost is so high is because clients will pay you $$$ because you have expensive equipment, no questions asked.
Point, press and BAM! money in the pocket!
Hell, I would buy a webcam if it had the word N I K O N written on it!
No, the Nikon 1 J1 isn’t better than Sony NEX 5n (and the V1 sure isn’t better than Sony NEX 7).
Also, we must take into consideration the sensor’s size. Give a look at the synoptic table of size, weight and sensor’s size here: http://goo.gl/ixG6X
The NEX system is a winner!
Ciao
haha… the author gets blasted in its own comments section for basically being an idiot.
http://nikonrumors.com/2011/09/22/poll-2-are-you-going-to-buy-the-new-nikon-1-mirrorless-camera.aspx/comment-page-1/#comment-163185
77% vote NO on this camera. Wow.
With all these flat color choices seems like Nikon got some leftovers from Pentax and just slapped their logo onto it. Just saying.
in some ways yes and other no.
if you just look at the tech the nikon has the advantage.
if you just look at IQ Sony has the advantage.
but nether have a full system around them. and some of the tech in the nikon is what i would love to see in an nex someday but nikon has a camera out with it today (ok 20ish days)- phase detection, record images b4 and after shutter release, electronic shutter (no sound when used) 400/1200fps video, 60fps stills and mirrorless converter for f-mount lens so you have no light loss.
will I buy this camera? no but if they came out with a smaller fixed lens camera with the same sensor and tech, or if sony does not develop lens that fits my needs in a few years yes I might swap over.
I have a feeling that this tech is limited to that size of a sensor now.. mirrorless f-mount adapter is really interesting.
Don’t think they had time to develop this system to its full potential. It just might stop time soon 😛 shutter speed of 1/16000 O_O
What’s up with the crazy fps? Discovery Science want their camera back.
The sensor is still tiny! They might make an APS-C next year and will cost a fortune knowing Nikon.
Yeah, Rockwell doesn’t like it, but I certainly wouldn’t let that be a determining factor (LOL).
I read the comparison of the V1 and NEX-5N and they admittedly didn’t have either cam in-hand, so they were comparing stats provided by the manufacturers? Why should we even care what they say? It’s all speculative spec comparing. I’ve actually used my 5N quite a bit over the past 10 days since it arrived from B&H and its growing on me, clicking noise or no…
I come to this camera from a long line of Nikon SLR’s, including film cams, but the sheer quality of the 5N imager is hard to best at this point. The tiny sensor in the Nikon – can it really compete? If so, then Nikon has done magic with the image processing and we can all quit buying DX and FX cameras, right?
I say NO too! And I’m a Nikon shooter!
I heard someone say 10,30, and 60 fps is from the movie mode. Apparently you can take a picture while taking a video. So full-resolution, yes in a way.
Omg, stop using the N word!!
Geez what a fanboyism in here.
Phase detection auto-focus in sensor isn’t a big thing?
That’s not only very innovative – not to mention all the blazing speed improvements of Nikon’s system. It’s the death of the SLR system.
The J/V1 are the probably most important innovation in digital photography in the past decade. Period.
Are you high or drink too much mother naikhon’s kool-aid?
Go to your mother nikonrumors
http://nikonrumors.com/2011/09/22/poll-2-are-you-going-to-buy-the-new-nikon-1-mirrorless-camera.aspx/
Their reader, who obviously care about nikon’s welfare, bash this product. Only the hardcore, idiotic, 7.7% fanboys choose to buy this “innovative” fugly camera.
This camera IS very innovative, it isn’t very good overall, but there is certainly a big step forward here for mirrorless technologies.
What step? High speed AF? We have E-P3.. Phase detect is new in mirrorless. But is it even necessary in miliseconds AF on E-P3..
Small lenses? We have panny’s X which is less than half the size of this shitty cam.
Small body? E-PM1 is a lot smaller and lighter. Do your own google!
YES! This is a big step….backwards…
Oh wait.. They innovate severe fuglyness…
I agree that its very innovative, just too bad that they reduce the sensor size.
Nikon 1’s pixel size, the size of photosites, is about the same as of the NEX-7.
By going for 10mp, which is more than enough for most shooters, Nikon’s creates quality pixels.
I choose quality pixels over their quantity.
We’ll soon see, but the arguing in here – mine’s bigger – tells a lot.
Where did you get those stupid calculations? NEX-7 is 4 times bigger than this, yet the pixel is only 2.4 times more. Simple math makes this nikon is shittier all round.
NIKON CREATES QUALITY PIXELS???? Tell that to D3x that use sony’s quality sensors… How can a company who use other company’s sensor on their top of the foodchain cameras actually produce good sensor at all?
Most of nikon fanboy are actually blind that’s what I figure.
“Nikon’s creates quality pixels.”
Lol, that doesn’t make any sense!
That’s absurd. For a given viewing size (think a print), the NEX-7 has more than double the pixels. This is, effectively, pixel binning. But enjoy your noisy “quality pixel” prints, I’m sure the Nikool-Aid compensates for quality.
the pixels of the Nikon 1 are just one third in size of the Nex7 pixels.
Nikon pixels are trained harder and had better education at school than other pixels. Each of them can kill 10 regular pixels in a battle. This is common sense!
Panmoria, tell me where can I use this fugly V1/J1?
Never owned a Nikon BTW, just as a case in point: the language used in here though is just plain childish. How many of you hit puberty already?
Thom Hogan did the calculation, check out his post, you won’t even need a calculator to see how much bigger the NEX-7’s photosites are.
Some keep up with the megapixel race, others try to concentrate on the pixel itself.
Try live with it.
We are arguing here. You can bring anything to your table and we can too. How can you expect us to believe anything you said without you providing the proof? 3.9 and 3.4 is far from “is about the same”.
Complaining about language usage is childish itself in any kind of discussion.
This is internet. Deal with it!
Panmaria.
It is very likely that Nikon could not get any other APS/c sensor from Sony, therefore they had to go with this small thing.
This is how innovative Nikon will be able to be.
Kindly answer my question then, Panmoria.
What is childish is your whole idea here. Even if the photosites were the same size (which they aren’t), how do you come to the conclusion that Nikon “concentrate on the pixel itself” and they “choose quality”?
This is not the first time phase detection auto focus on the main sensor of a camera has been implemented:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1008/10080505fujifilmpd.asp
Similarly all the other “innovations” in the J/V1 system seem to be incremental improvements rather than revolutionary. Hardly the “most important innovation in digital photography in the past decade.”
I think the casio ex p600 was the first with a dual AF system in a compact digital.
Minolta DiMAGE Z1 was a year earlier.
I remember when Nikon fanboys refused to acknowledge that mirrorless systems were the death of SLR’s… But now that Nikon has one, it suddenly becomes the death of SLR’s.
What different is a Nikon V1 compared to a camera phone if it can’t produce bokehlicious images and low noise nightshot? With that price tag alone, I rather buy a Iphone5 with 8mp as my second camera with tons of functions or a small Pentax Q if I want small size IMO.
Size: Iphone win
Weight: Iphone Win
Consumer Needs: Iphone Win
Speed: Nikon V1(do you need that speed?)
Boo, ever attempted photography without the hunt for bokeh?
Much more challenging.
Yeah, my compact and camera phone does that. So what’s the point of buying Nikon V1 other than its ‘NIKON’? No hard feeling.
Obviously he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
How can photography without hunt for bokeh, which is simpler and easier, be anymore challenging than more complex photography with bokeh?
You don’t own Nikon, I presume, and perhaps any kind of camera at all.
Buy that Nikon, you will be always in a challenge! in no-bokeh challenge, in no light challenge, in no DR challenge, etc. XD
+1 you made me lol!
You should read the comments on that article, readers just burned out the writer!! Awesome reading!
i agree nikon 1 is better… but also a dead end camera with THAT SENSOR. those spec should be applied to a nikon SLR!!!! not to a 2.7 crop sensor.
How can a dead end camera be better? Please enlighten me.
Admin please don’t post stupid posts here just for the traffic.
Nobody here cares about Nikon 1.
Let’s keep the discussion to the facts.
Most interesting from my point of view is the part about the lenses. Question: If I buy a NEX or V1 I want to have a compact camera, right? If I use a lens adapter, I will add approximately 2 cm to the tickness of the camera. Plus, what lenses will I want to use from Nikon on the 2,7 crop? A fisheye? Have fun 🙂
Or better the 70-200 F/2,8? That will look really cool. A phone-size-camera with a 20 cm lens.
In the end, if I was forced to buy one of them, I would choose the Sony. The lens selection is much better and 3rd parties (not sure if it was Sigma or Tarmon) has already had a press release that the will make additional lenses for the Nex.
In the end (and again only from where I am standing), both cameras will not have a future. It’s like going to a steakhouse and ordering fish.
Personal subjective opinions aside, the future of other mirrorless cameras(anything other than nikon’s) are pretty much bright, if not brightest of all camera systems.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-07/canon-clinging-to-mirrors-means-opportunity-for-sony-cameras.html
Some people even argue the future of conventional DSLR is blunt, to say the least. Though I would love to have both in possession.
This Nikon thing, looks like a soviet device.
Enough said!
I didn’t realize the Nikon was 100 g heavier.
Wow, hold on a second. The problem here is pricing. The same goes for Pentax Q, they’re both out just when the world is in a recession. M4/3 also had high pricing when it came out. It’s the same with most new mount/systems.
Seems like only Sony had deep enough pockets and sound enough strategy to beat the ‘initial high price’ tax.
Again, if Nikon and Pentax’s MILC sell for around US $300-450 we’d have a much different conversation.
the problem is, that its not easy here to discuss with acceptable arguments … everything offered by others is worse than Sony.
Look, its a new system, its Nikons first step into the mirrorless interchangable category. Of course a lot of things are probably better with a NEX-5N or a Panasonic GH2 or others. BUT, its the fist step, you dont have to forget, that the first examples of Panasonics lineup or the first NEX cams also had a lot of issues, needed improvements, too small list of lenses to choose from and so on. So it’s wrong to say that Nikon does everything wrong with it.
They try to be in its own league with a smaller sensor than M4/3 and they offer in my opinion thinks others dont have, especially not in their first models! Like hybrid AF, 60fps Full size, slow motion videos and so on.
I think we have to appreciate that Nikon enters this market, Canon doesn’t even plan to do it! And if we get more opponents, we will get better offers and more features and lower prices and so on …
To be honest, probably I will buy the NEX-5N (although I think some more buttons would have been much better :-/ ), but for the first try the offered features and the first shot pics with the Nikon 1 are definately not that bad, everyone tries to make it!
“the problem is, that its not easy here to discuss with acceptable arguments ” Huh?
Of course, it is nice that Nikon enters the segment – as you say – more choices. The problem is that Nikon’s offering isn’t much of a choice. Smaller sensor than m43, yet lenses as big as NEX’s ones. And priced similarly. Doesn’t make much sense. Hybrid AF and 60fps are obviously interesting, but that is all. Even the slow motion videos are at some ridiculous resolution.
Frankly, I have no idea who they are targeting here. Those who like compact systems? No. Those who like great IQ? No. Consumers? Quite expensive. Advanced consumers or enthusiasts? Priced similarly as m43 and NEX, each better in some very relevant aspects.
It’s beyond obvious they are targeting the blind nikon fanboys like some people here and pocket-lint editors. For them, I’d proudly recommend a sexy pink v1.
If it was smaller like the m3/4 systems yes.
But it’s the same size! what’s the bloody point?
well as they said, they want to have a gap between their more professional dslr market and the new Nikon 1 … its not like the NEX lineup to put the same sensors in smaller bodys.
But I think we have to be fair, there will be definately much more lenses in the future and maybe next year newer models come which improve a lot of issues most of the people have.
Of course the sensor is even smaller than m43, but isnt it the same problem we have with APS-C and the new 24 MP A77 😉 sometimes the resolution is limited if you want to have better results than compact cams (and they are mostly in low light, high iso). With good light you can take similar pics with good compacts.
And definately I think they also will make some nice pancake lenses. We have to give Nikon some time here to improve. And in my opinion the pics shown on some pages at higher isos (maybe until 3200, but again, its the same with the A77) dont look that much worse than the m43 cams!
Of course some of the features are again commercial features like Sony does with “biggest resolution” and “fastest burst shoot” and so on. But some of them could be useful I think, also the slow motion. 400 fps with 640×240 is ok in my opinion, especially if no other of the better quality cams (sensors from m43 upwards) offers something like that!
We already know it’s using a smaller than 4/3 sensor. And there are limits associated with that on absolute image quality terms. But if the price was LOWER, i bet there will be more positive reviews.
The current prices of C3 and 5N kits are very attractive. But, you can find new stock of older m4/3 bodies selling for about half that.