Finally reviewers decided to test a new A77 review 🙂
The merit goes to TheVerge (Click here) who writes: “Ever since I got my hands on Sony’s NEX-7, I’ve had high expectations for the company’s digital cameras. For the most part, the A77 lives up to them..The A77 is an excellent camera that will serve most people very well, but it’s hard to recommend it over the Nikon D7000, the Canon EOS 60D, or even Sony’s own NEX-7, which takes equally fantastic pictures and videos in a body far smaller and at a price far lower.”
Jochem De Vet (Click here) posted the video you see here o top of this post. Actually he had a quite nice idea! Read that: “As a former Canon user I have made the switch to the Sony A77. Soon I began noticing that there was little talk on the web about the Sony Alpha A77’s video/film capabilities. The A77 is not embraced by the videographing community. My idea is that it should be, because it is one the most powerful hdslr’s on the market. To showcase the power and beauty of the A77 I’ve selected a few clips from talented filmmakers on Vimeo who had the guts to switch and try something new.”
Nice video!!!
And here are the links to the A77. I know fixed many of them as I noticed that some search links (like from Pixmania) where broken. Sorry! Now it should work:
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“….but it’s hard to recommend it over the Nikon D7000, the Canon EOS 60D, or even Sony’s own NEX-7, which takes equally fantastic pictures and videos in a body far smaller and at a price far lower.”
right…
In fact, D7000 is better camera than A77. I would chose Pentax K-5 over sony slt as well.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
^Came here to post this.
((K-5 is good, but…))
Why do you consider the D7000 to be better? Is it that old crap about high ISO per chance?
The reason I ask is that I put the A77 in the hands of a D90 and a D7000 user, they both wanted the A77. But then they aren’t brand fanboys.
About the same sensor, but OVF. OVF is much better today.
Obviously, you have not tried one long enough to pass the judgement. I switched from A900 to NEX-7 and have not regretted since then. Compared to the small OVF on most APS-C,it would be much better.
The OVF isn’t better, the D7000 user was stunned by it. It is also far superior to my A700 OVF.
I’m “trying” it with my 5N for 6 months. Still it’s not good enough compared to OVF. Good indoors, but sucks hard outdoors in contrast lightning. Better for MF (again, indoors only), but it’s not an advantage when you are using PDAF.
I find the whole idea of SLT being an epic stupidity, that brings no benefit over conventional SLR (AF for video? Is it joke?). The mirrorless is another matter: you can’t use OVF with RF lenses anyway, so you have no choice.
Denis, just because you are anti-SLT/EVF it doesn’t make it stupid.
I have had many shots with sun inside the frame, but have yet found the EVF to be the limiting factor. I had the EVF with my 5N before, and I hated it because of the ergonomic. After I switched to the 7, it feels more natural.
As for the SLT, I guess the benefits are not important to my style of shooting, but I have seen Canon users got excited when the 5D mark 3 can AF during video. I know quite a few videographers, and I understand that for most serious work, you use MF anyway. For still, I guess SLT enables better tracking with higher FPS. It’s a pity that Sony algorithm is not up to par with Canikon in tracking. What little bit of light loss is a non-issue in reality.
Speaking of fanboys “SonyA77”, yeah right! They have user IDs like NikonD7000……. LOL
I fail to see your point. Did you actually make one?
Haha. You know what I mean “Not-a-fanboy SonyA77”
No, I really don’t.
I agree that the whole SLT concept is a bit not here nor there. You don’t get the clarity of the OVF or the compactness of mirrorless – especially when it comes to lenses. However, the seamlessness of shooting experience between EVF and the LCD is very valuable to me. Having peaking available in the EVF is great for video and much better than traditional DSLRs. Sony’s SLTs seem quieter too and provide 8-10FPS when needed. Some (but not all) of these features are available in the NEX series, of course.
For me though, it is the Sony lenses that make me want to buy their cameras. Sony’s 35mm f1.8 is the best lens in that category that I have used. Same goes for the 85mm f2.8. They are far cheaper than mirrorless lenses to boot. Also, I really like the quick bounce feature of their flashes. It is hard to go back to a conventional flash after using it.
So it is the overall package that tilts the balance in favor of Sony SLTs.
As someone who owned the Sony a580, the Sony a77 and now the Nikon D700, I feel that I am capable of responding to this post.
There is not much to be said about the a580 that hasn’t been said already. Images were stellar, but the body was cheap and the OVF is like a tunnel. It really is, but I did not realize it until I tried more expensive DSLRs.
The a77 was a massive improvement. The shutter button was more responsive, the top LCD was incredibly useful, and the 100% EVF was great in terms of coverage. The a77 body fit fantastically in my hands. The LCD protruded a bit too far, but that was a minor complaint. Now, keep in mind this is my opinion, but as the 30 day return period drew to a close, there were too many things that bothered me about the a77. I know the issue is better now, but at the time, the front and rear dials were not responsive, and I was not about to wait for Sony to fix it as there is no guarantee they would. The EVF was fantastic and revolutionary in many ways. The electronic level, peeking, accurate representation of exposure, etc. were fantastic. That being said, it still did not come close to the experience you get looking through a full-frame OVF. Would I love to have a hybrid OVF with an EVF overlay? Absolutely. If I have to choose one over the other, though, I will choose a full-frame OVF any day of the week.
Another complaint I had with the A77 is the 19 AF points. It really is too few for a new camera, and low-light AF performance was surprisingly weak in terms of locking on to a subject. My largest complaint was the low-light, high-ISO performance. I know this has been beaten into the ground, but the a77’s low-light performance was inferior to that of my a580. Images were noisy over ISO 800 and almost unusable by ISO 1250. Again, I know I am comparing a full-frame camera to the a77, but the D700 allows me to shoot noise-free images at ISO 2500 and there is just a hint of noise at ISO 3200. While this is not a big issue for everyone, it matters for me as a nighttime street photographer.
When compared to the D7000, I think the a77 competes well. I think images up to ISO 800 are superior to those produced by the D7000, and in terms of ergonomics, the a77 is far more comfortable to hold. The D7000 feels cramped to me. Where the D7000 excels is its AF system and shots taken above ISO 800. Would I purchase the D7000 over the a77? That is a tough call. My answer is maybe. The two cameras are great and most people would be happy owning either (depending on your style of shooting). That being said, I don’t think the a77 is good enough to draw Nikon owners looking to upgrade away from the Nikon system, but it should draw Canon owners away from the 60D and 7D.
Obviously, it is difficult to compare the a77 to the D800 (and even the D700 as I have done above) as the latter costs twice as much as the former. However, a new D700 will run you $2,199.00, which is a real steal at that price point. It was too difficult for me to pass up.
Again, the a77 is a fantastic camera, but the high ISO performance was an issue for my style of shooting.
FLUSH OUT YOUR HEADGEAR NEW GUY, SONY’S CAMERA VIDEO SUCKS! SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! videographers don’t choose it cuz’ they’re not impressed. flush out your headgear!!! you can’t show that grainy, murky, muckfest to paying clients, demanding clients, who expect perfection cuz’ they’re paying. you can’t make a living with SONY’S LO-FI cameras. flush out your headgear!! not only is sony’s “HD” video vastly inferior to canon/nikon it’s massively…UNBELIEVABLY inferior to panasonic. panasonic superzooms and point-and-shoots have better video than every sony camera under $5 grand. let’s not even talk about GH2 or AF100 which kill every sony camera made. sony’s cameras video is soft, grainy, noisy, not sharp, not detailed – ugly to look at. so flush out your headgear! why do think so many people complain? get a clue.
Panasonic superzooms are better then a NEX-5n with some FD-mount glass?
Get a clue.
i’ve praised the nex 5N on the pages of this forum and you are now the proud owner of one exception.
I work with a Director of Photography here in Los Angeles who has worked with the likes of Lady Gaga, Spike Lee, and many other big name artists. He recently shot a music video with the a77 and felt the same about it as he did most hdslr’s. the camera doesn’t matter, he actually liked the crop factor by the way because they shot a lot of hand held without stabilizers (didn’t realize why it happened until i explained it). in the end he had the same feeling that i do about most cameras, they all differ in specs and options, but it’s who is behind the camera that makes the difference. he’s a full time DP in LA making a minimum of a grand a day. so what do i take from this? if you think buying a camera is going to make you an awesome photographer or videographer, you’re in for a big surprise.
Flush out your headgear! …sorry… I just had to put that useless phrase out there for a fifth time because I felt only using it four times was woefully insufficient.
I own an NEX-7 and it does a great job with video, but I’m not a professional like you appear to be.
I agree with you to some extent. The hacked Panasonic GH2 definitely gives better results. Also Canon 5D MkII looks better than any sony APSC camera.
Maybe if Sony would allow for higher bitrate recording than their 24 or 28Mbit/s, that would help.
crap review, bias towards EVF due to own preference and no mention of minolta lenses, and yea hard to recommend over nikon d7000 or canon eos 60d, ok then
Well, it’s kinda typical when Nikon/Cannon shooter with no basic knowledge or interest in system tries to review it, isn’t it?
I thing the guy who did the review, messed a view things up. NEX7 and A77 are in the same body price range.
This is why you don’t leave market specific product’s review to general electronic/gadget/technology blogs.
he probably glossed over the fact the the camera kit is 2.8 zoom.
He needs to clarify that not all ovfs are great, only the bright penta prism ovf makes the mark.
There are a number of pros with EVF that are not explored as well.
Congrats to the seller on managing to con him to part with $2000 for an a77 kit though. even at retail price it should be less than that.
Best quote: “Sony’s still behind Canon and Nikon, both in quantity and quality of lenses.” LOL. Canon makes the worst lenses of all the japanese brands. They have always tested worst than Zuiko, Nikkor, Pentax and Minolta.
And the A77 pisses all over the D7000 and the 60D – if it had been made by Canon or Nikon we wouldn’t stop hearing about what a great camera it is, instead of it being damned with faint praise all the time.
I have been a Sony/Minolta shooter for years, but to say Canon lenses are crap and worse than other is just non-sense. Their plastic crap might be, but the top end is just as good or better than most. They have more specialty lens as well.
I didn’t say Canon lenses were crap I said they regularly tested worse than Zuiko, Nikon, Pentax and Minolta. You can add Sony and Sony-Zeiss to the list as well.
The belief that Canon lenses = the best available is not based on fact but is assumed from their dominant market position and the strength of their ‘L’ branding. Go and look at some MTFs and compare them with Sony – you’ll be amazed – many of them are surprisingly poor. Nikon lenses on the other hand have always been excellent and contrasty.
Canon L series < Nikkor < Zeiss
You are right, if the A77 had a Canikon badge it would be suddenly be “amazing”. Sad but true.
You’re an idiot!
Please show us your iso 3200 pics of your bookshelf!
Meathead!
Go and troll elsewhere you sad little CaNikon fanboy.
+10000
trip trap trip trap
BTW, A77 showcase is an oxymoron.
Different brands have different strengths on ‘lens ratings’. One brand might have the sharpest rated tele zoom, but it doesn’t perform consistently through most of the zoom range. They all have positives and negatives.
I don’t like when they compare cameras. Except from IQ, the rest is just personal preferences and needs. I tried a Nikon d90, nice camera but I don’t like where the buttons are and the menus…. But the pictures are great . EVF vs OVF personal choice. When I say EVF I mean a77 EVF, nothing compares. For the most part all DSLR’s do the jod, and most people that can’t even use them right. I see a lot of soccer moms holding them in front of them like point and shoots. I do wildlife photography and I need fast focus and fast burst and good ISO . The a77 does that for me. Other cameras are probably ( a little bit ) better but I don’t care.
I agree with you. Most of these criticisms are subjective and not objective. Like I don’t like where the buttons are. Well you’ve been using your Nikon for two years and I had a hard time finding the equivalent buttons on the Sony. Duh! Why would an intelligent person make this criticism based on one week’s use. Is there some measurable standard about where buttons should be located that I don’t know about?
I am tired of ISO criticisms. We all know that about high ISO issues. But most of us shoot at lower ISOs. Yes I know there are a lot of you shooting weddings in coal mines. I recently viewed the photographs of the year from Reuters (I think that was the source.). I looked at the technical specs of each of the photos. There were a few shot at ISO 1600 and maybe one at 3200. But most were shot at 100, 200, 400, and 800.
I keep seeing these reviews where something shot at ISO 3200 and is enlarged 100 times. I have yet to see any reviewer shooting at ISO 50 (remember reviewers that this is an A77 feature) and blowing it up 100 times and comparing it to a Nikon D7000 at the same ISO rating. Or 100 vs. 100 comparison.
I am disturbed when a reviewer says that this camera didn’t fit my hand right. Show me your hand as part of the review. But don’t tell be that you are downgrading the camera because of how it felt in YOUR hand. Don’t criticize a camera a give it a hardware design of “6” because you personally don’t like the design.
I think as part of every review, the reviewer should spend a paragraphs detailing what their personal prejudices are: what are you shooting currently and for how long.
Things such as the electronic viewer should be treated more objectively. We know what the disadvantages are, so spend some talking about the advantages are such as the ability to work better in lower light situations and the ability to see what your image will look like as you change your settings. You as the reviewer may not like it because you only worked with it for a week and jumped to conclusions too quickly because you hated it even before you used it.
In other words reviewers, if you expect to receive respect, give us a “Breakdown” divided into two parts, the subjective and objective breakdown in two different charts.
Agreed.
Finally a smart opinion.
Same here, I have the luxury of trying both 60D and D7000 for 10 minutes. I don’t like both because I can’t understand the design of button and UI, even though I used Nikon in film era. LOL
A77 EVF is only 80% as good as OVF in good light. But it is 200% as good as OVF in the dark (use it in museum in Macau). Plus I like the rule of third grid and level so I tend not too miss OVF too much. Peaking also has potential and it is not possible with OVF (but possible in LCD but you loose PDAF.
I agree it still needs improvement but OVF can’t improve beyond what A900 offer. I am bit disappointed if next Sony’s FF dSLT don’t even make it bigger than A900.
What’s with the soundtrack? Was the musical artist listed on the credits as a featured artist?
I fear we are breeding a generation of togs that have no problem with using musical artists work unsolicited, but will complain when their own productions are hijacked. I hope this is not the case here and if it isn’t, someone please straighten me out on this.
But can you imagine a musical composition being promoted by the artist, and using these same video clips uncredited to accomplish that? Togs would be up in arms crazy complaining about copyright violations.
I hope I missed something here. Please someone show me that I did.
Credited on 0.08. I asked her if i could use her track. Look her up on soundcloud.
Good point, though there is a brief music credit to Rebecca Peake – Superbowl Infinity at 0.07 – 0.09 Blink and you would miss it.
I moved from my bridge camera Lumix to Canon 60D and was very much disappointed about the quality and speed. Meanwhile, I have them rplaced by the Sony A77 and are excited! My next step will be to purchase the Nex in order to use my legacy lenses from Zeiss. Interistingly, newer Nikons use the Sony sensors…
Hilarious that, in a thread that’s supposed to be about video capabilities, people choose to rehash the OVF v EVF argument. How good is an OVF for video? :-S
Ha! You somehow expect logic here?
dude is up there sayin a77 “pisses” on 60D and D7000. pisses. what’s he even talkin’ about ? keep livin’ the dream, sony fanboy. keep the livin’ the dream. btw, pros use all that gear he mentioned. PROS USE THAT GEAR. name me a pro using sony – besides mike kobal.
Well to be fair the A77 is “better” at things than a 60D or D7000. The 60D and D7000 will be “better” than the A77 at other things. Care to name a perfect camera?
…a perfect camera? no…that’s sophistry cause no one’s talkin’ about perfection in cameras, what’s at issue here is sony’s video performance, which I contend pretty much sucks and since 9 out 10 pros choose other gear, it begs the question what is sony doing wrong with their cameras? it is a question worthy of consideration, isn’t it? why are so many pros ignoring sony’s cameras when it comes to video? canon, panasonic and nikon still have a firm grip on the user base that shoots music videos and commercials, who opt not for sony’s cameras, which is what the author of the article noticed. you must think everything is cool with sony’s gear. blindly buyin’ their stuff. you can go back to sleep now.
“you can go back to sleep now.” I guess insults win arguments for you. Sad.
Go away troll.
Hmmm pro’s ignore Sony in video huh? In my experience as a film professional Sony, Arri and RED dominate. You are talking about early career filmmakers who are shooting in their little SLRs. You know NOTHING about ‘professional’ filmmaking. The A77 is the first DSLT with manual control an has been out what 6 months? Yes those people you mention use Canon because they have started this whole ‘revolution’ and have been available for 4 years. The Sony’s ARE better in video than the Canon’s, but don’t have much penetration. The GH2 is better than both, but the AF100 is average at best and all are bested by the SONY FS100 by a large margin. You contradict yourself by saying professionals using cameras under 5k, while I understand that a few professionals have used 5D’s etc for professional productions, times have changed as there wasn’t the options there are now. No professional would choose a GH2 or 5D over a FS100. GH2 is still the top of the DLR catagory though for video, but that won’t last for long, Sony are THE video giant.
And we have the soon to be released FS700 from Sony which will be upgradeable to 4K.
87dorkville9 or what the f your name is…
another pro here, using a900, a77 and hasselblad digital,
you moron!
there are so many pros using sony up to a level that would keep mike kobal very honest…
Don’t even know why he is here. Another Canon Fanboy seem to have lost his way and ended up on a Sony forum.
Perhaps finding out about his Hardware Design Issue on the Canon 5D Mark 3 has forced him to vent his anger in this forum…
@87dorkville9, please go back to where you came from… I would put up a link here to the Canon forums, but I couldn’t be fucked searching for it in Google.
I’m old enough to remember when pros didn’t use Canon cameras. When I started taking pictures in the 70s, almost all reportage was done with Nikon and Rolleiflexes. Pentax was bigger than Canon in those days and was also widely used amongst professionals.
Canon’s real rise started in the early 1980s following the launch of the A1 camera – which was an incredible success. They then slowly built a range of long tele lenses and began to dominate press and sport photography. I lived through it and watched it happen.
Orvil or what the f you are
I am a pro and i use the NEX-7 and i have the canon 7d & Canon 1d and i prefer the sony
Every one i show the sony gets blowaway of the picture quality
So get a life
I was there as well. Canon really made it big after they introduced the EOS system and began loaning cameras and lenses for free to photographers attending fashion shows world wide and international sport events.
They used to have boots were if you were an accredited photographer working for a magazine or an agency, you could jut leave your passport and take a body and a couple of big lenses, for the day.
There is were they began spanking Nikon for real.
Second round of spanking was given by Canon EOS 1Ds FF, while Nikon was still on APS sensor….
Sony not getting their gear into the hands of the public to try (not just so-called pros) is where they badly need a kick up the arse.
High ISO performance is way over-praised. ISO4000 ? Please.
At ISO800 the noise is already definitely there, and ISO1600 is generally unusable (that’s A65, but they share the same sensor with A77).
Rubbish, 1600 is fine. If you can’t get good results at 1600 then you don’t know how to process RAW.
But ISO1600 of A65 and A77 is indeed not good enough. Unlike D7000 and K5, btw.
Same old tired arguments. It’s a 24mp sensor you are comparing them to at 100% crops. Nobody looks at 100% crops in the real World Denis.
You really should take a look at DXO. 800 < 1100
Denis yet again you are not talking about THE REAL WORLD. Get your head out of forums and lab statistics and LOOK AT THE IMAGES. Go and search on flickr for A77 images.
Stop pixel peeping, your viewing audience don’t give a fuck about image noise on 100% crops.
@SonyA77
I see the difference between NEX-7 and A77. The first is better. It matters in extreme conditions.
Denis, ISO isn’t the only aspect that makes a camera worth buying.
The A77 has many advantages over the D7000.
SLT has many advantages over flappy.
EVF has many advantages of OVF.
Please don’t say the A77 is worst, just because of certain things that doesn’t suit your needs.
You see, a bit of common sense matters when using a camera.
Denis, if you can see the difference between shots taken with the NEX-7 and A77 at NORMAL viewing size and distance, then you are super-human.
> NEX-7 and A77 at NORMAL viewing size and distance, then you are super-human.
I feel much better when PPing K-5 than shots taken with A65.
You “feel” better? Have we just entered the twilight zone?
Denis you really don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. You REALLY don’t. I recommend you stop digging yourself into an ever deeper hole of incompetence.
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BTW what defines a “PRO” ? I know some Pros that couldn’t shoot their way out of a paper bag. and I know some serious casual shooters that are awesome but do not do it for a living, do it for fun. go figure
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Oh for fuck sake. You asked and you got. You FAILED to come back with anything more than a trolling comment. Now you are complaining that it’s too few, do you really expect a list?
Fair play to John, he gave you a list (below). 😀
@87orville9
I told you before don’t forget to take your meds on time!
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😉
It won’t be good enough for some, it never will be.
It’s blasphemy! Brian Smith uses a Sony camera and is a Pulitzer Prize winner. Is that even legal!
No, he has not got laid on a long time….
hey all ! I’m off to a music video shoot (in hollywood …) the camera they’re using today’ll be the 5D mark 3 (and 7Ds). sony won’t be there. g’bye sony fanboys!!! g’bye ..!
Guess what brand REAL video and film pro’s use for video? It isn’t Canon, they are an also-ran in the video production World.
You should probably eat this first, troll.
http://www.eoshd.com/content/7919/a-canon-video-camera-for-the-rest-of-us-outside-hollywood
Amatuer shoot for a non name band using insufficient cameras doesn’t mean shit. No pro uses Canon SLRs unless it is a non-paid gig and they are using their own ‘toy’ camera. End of story.
GUESS WHAT???
CANON 5D Mark 3 has Hardware Design issues!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/14/5d-mark-iii-light-leak-incorrect-exposure-readout/
Seems that the light from the top ugly display is causing problems with the exposure metering!
Same thing when direct light reflects off it!
Sounds like a recall!
I wonder how all the Fanboys is going to ride this one…
The A77 got bashed for problems that was fixed via firmware. Are reviewers going to bash the Canon 5D M3 for its hardware issues????
Will Canon get the same trolling???
I think not.
Canon get trolling, yeah that’ll really happen. 😉
Sony guys don’t tend to hang around Canon forums trolling, it is ALWAYS the CaNikon lot hijacking Sony threads. It shows their basic insecurity in their equipment and skill.
+1
You see, that’s what amazes me.
These dumbfucks actually take the time to read and post on a rumor forum that doesn’t have anything to do with their equipment.
Like a selfish little kid, they have to try and spoil it for everyone else because they bought the other products.
There are always some retards in here that has to try and prove themselves by attempting to degrade other peoples equipment or work. How they can call themselves a professional is unbelievable.
Must be a little shoot.
A decent prod would be using a Red or Alexa, eventually and F3 or c300.
That is how it works.
I’ve been very impressed with the video capability of the A77; I have two a77’s and have ordered a 3rd for my daughter. We shoot quite a bit of personal stuff and more cameras is always a plus.
I shoot with FS100’s & Z5s, I wanted a smaller option for carry-around and B-roll. The video ability really is good and easily matches with my other cameras. The imagery has been beautiful and smooth, I can see using these camera quite a bit both personally and professionally.
The audio isn’t prefect but more than usable with the Rode VideoProMic’s. Both the stereo and directional sound good for what they are.
The biggest plus is that now my wife is really getting into manual controls more than ever, and shes wants to carry everytime we leave the house. My already skilled daughter has been carrying mine quite a bit also.
I only wish the shutter button was assignable for video.
made some A77 ISO 3200 pictures (Adobe Camera RAW) just for you ISO-trolls in low light situation, for me this is defenitly USABLE! http://www.raphaelforsthuber.at/en/projects/test/
Sits back and waits for the lame comments to roll in.
Not bad at all Raph. They are very usable.
I couldn’t care less what someone is shooting video with in Hollywood, i’m not in Hollywood, I dont shoot video and I never will.
I couldn’t care less about utterly meaningless DXO stats, nor ISO comparisons or other peoples opinions on the button lay out of the AXX.
What I do care about is improving my own photography ability and my terrible ISO, super low DXO rated A700 is more of a camera than I’ll ever need to do that.
Not one person talking crap on here is at the pinnacle of their ability so instead of pissing your time away on here talking UTTER garbage and fondling yourself over 100% crops of ISOs you will never use, why not pick up Cartier-Bresson book or even, take some photographs?
Because these are armchair experts – 99% of them not owning the gear they claim is so much better. Shoot with what you have, all modern SLR cameras exceed the capabilities of most of their users – all of these statistics are completely pointless. But armchair experts will never ever understand that.
Sony r bestus. They beat Canon and Nikon better sales too, worldwide. Bestest! I like Canon and Nikon but Sony get my money yes! That too!
Regnald
anyway know cinematic color profile for a77?
I shoot neutral, then contrast -3, sharpness -2, saturation -3.
The image won’t look the best while you shoot but in post it color corrects like a dream
I shoot neutral and turn contrast, sharpness, and saturation all the way down.
The image won’t look the best while you shoot but in post it color corrects like a dream
I shoot neutral and turn contrast, sharpness, and saturation all the way down. The image won’t look the best while you shoot but in post it color corrects like a dream
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I do not understand David Pierce from the Verge main argument why OVF is better than EVF.
Quote:
” — I’d only figure out for sure if I’d gotten the right shot when I saw it on my computer.”
I have yet to understand how an OVF will be better in this respect.
Also his comments about laggy performance, he probably havent got the latest firmware on the camera.
I guess his argument is that the EVF and LCD don’t accurately represent the colours, contrast etc. from the images taken. A lot of that will depend on the modes, picture settings, file format and default profiling in a PP program or converter though.
But I also fail to see how OVF cameras are much better in this regard. It’s not that reviewing your shots on their LCD’s gives a much more accurate representation (see all the complaints about the D800 LCD for example). And you /need/ to review before knowing an approximation of what you shot. The A77 gives you a preview.
That aspect of the OVF argument has always puzzled me. I try to get through to people that the SENSOR captures the result, not their EYES!
After the camera has processed the jpeg or you have done so in RAW, the result will not be the same as what you saw through the OVF anyway!
It’s very simple. The DR that camera can capture in LV/Video modes is very limited. So you either will see burnt out sky (I would prefer this, but sony always trying to implement WYSIWYG, so I would get burnt iyt sky at my shots. Not a good thing) or deep, black shadows that you can see nothing in. Another issue is the environment brightness that is much higher than anything EVF can provide — it is similar to back LCD in bright environment problem and can
easily be avoided with better eyecup, but Sony EVFs lack them.
OVF is free from DR issue, so it’s easier to frame with them.
And, by the way, Sony didn’t utilize EVF properly. Especially EVF in NEX-es. Where is the focusing mode where I can instantly set up focusing point without touching joystick/tap touchscreen?
*sigh*
If you want OVF so badly, go buy 3:2 wood frames. Attach it to your flash shoe and off you go.
There you have the best of both worlds…
Here’s a radical idea, why not just look with your eyes at the scene first and then look through the view finder… 😀
I don’t have and SLR now and won’t have. So if you think I’m Nikon/Canon/Pentax fanboy you are wrong. I just want to have something that does its job well. EVF is still not there, I still find SLR OVF being a better tool for framing. To say, I know about these issues very well. I also has an information these limitations will be avoided very soon with kind of RGBW/something else color filters that is under active development in Sony (and Samsung too). But this won’t make SLT being a decent tool. It’s an ugly solution and it always will be. I wonder what IDIOT thought it out. This approach is defective by initial design.
You think SLT was thought out by an idiot? Denis, you are losing credibility with every comment you make. Your hatred of SLT and EVF is clouding your judgement and you have lost all objectivity.
@Denis, “Don’t’ throw out the baby with the bath water!”
Give it a break you broken parrot!
You can’t acknowledge the benefits of the SLT & EVF system because you are so bitter about the 1 or 2 issues you have with it.
SLT enables continuous AF, it is great for movies and shooting sports.
It enables fast focusing even when shooting from the back LCD. There is less camera shake when shooting due to the fact that there is no mirror flapping up an down. There is less noise because of that too.
EVF, enables you to view the picture like a preview before you take the photo. You can see what are the changes when you fiddle with the ISO and shutter speed. Takes out most of the guess work!!!!
Allows you to preview images under bright conditions.
Enables you to level the camera when using the viewfinder.
Enables you to preview any filter you wish to use on the picture.
Allows you to change color tones and see the effect.
Allows you to change settings in your shoots without the need to remove your eye from the viewfinder.
Allows you to FRAME objects at night!
Your complain about the EVF is that it doesn’t show the same dynamic range as your eye which in the end will not show up on your photo anyway…
Grow a clue mate.
nice summary wth!
I’d add some more points like:
comfortable wide range of infos in EVF
comfortable focus peaking and focus magnifier – great tools if you work with manual lenses like adapted rokkor 58 1,2 ummmm 🙂
The only disadvantages I’d point:
need to switch-on to see
power costs even more than the LCD
EVF shows only the past, so you are shooting in the past (is in my eyes just about a fraction of the second… or even the microsecond, so it’s irrelevant for the reaction-speed of a normal human).
well, ok in some cases less DR can be annoying, but definitely not the crucial factor.
the more important negative point for me, which everyone seems to forget, is the less life of OLED, but perhaps it’s not so bad in the EVF of A77. Some competent comments to that?
the noise level at low-light conditions is not in that list since it’s a reasonable price for being able to see at least something at night. And this possibility is great!
Same to you all I don’t understand this complaining about the less DR or colour space inaccuracy etc of the EVF. Every viewfinder is just a finder-tool and not an end-product viewer like a PC, TV or whatever… who cares about the right colour-balance in the viewfinder? I need this little-helpfull-tool to frame my image and not to see the whole world through it correctly. What is it good for? I have my own eyes for that, or do someone run all the way with the viewfinder in front of eyes? In this case the problem is something else. 😉 And EVF goes even a step forwards as WTH said, and shows you much more relevant output-preview. It’s much much much more useful than the “oh-so-nice-1:1-real-life-able-to-see” advertising ploy of the antiquated OVF.
It could be great if Andrea make some kind of FAQ, with such again and again hot discussed topics. So we can just send all the trolls to this links… quick and easy… trolling about high-ISO? -> LINK. Trolling about OVF over EVF? -> LINK and so on 🙂
Andrea? can you find a bit time for that in the close future? wäre echt super 🙂
FW update 1.0.5 vastly improved the EVF performance in this respect. The EVF represents very closely what I see with a naked eye. Picture style standard, viewfinder brightness – auto. No blocked shadows, 2 sec auto review confirms the final exposure for a split second if you tap the shutter button to go on shooting. I don’t chimp as much any more. The live histogram is also exactly what you’ll get in the shot. I have to use sRGB on both my camera and computer screen to match colors for web display. iMac shows the colors I see in the EVF and Camera screen accurately. LR4 needs a few presets made to deal with noise and you are good up to iso 4000. You will get very detailed shots with super fine grain at very high iso.
An OVF shows you a constantly changing dynamic range. A dynamic dynamic range if you wish, because your eyes and brains constantly adapt, many times per second. That’s not that helpful because what you get is never what you see, in fact, you can be tricked into expecting things you will not get. The EVF usually allows you to explore beyond the borders of what will be captured or what’s displayed at first, if you really need to, by simply changing exposure parameters. But it’s strength at the same time is to fix some of those variables, so you get a closer approximation of the DR you will /display/.
And that second eye can help a lot too, without ground glass that is. 😉
Yes, RAW holds much more DR most of the time, but people seem to forget that paper and monitors are quite static and limited too when it comes to displaying the DR of a single picture.
+1
SPoon is always truth here. i think more should listen beefore typing to hin.
Denis. Whether you use an OVF, EVF or simply point the camera in the general direction of the subject, it DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is what the SENSOR is capturing regardless of what your eyes are actually seeing.
You then post process the hell out of the image in LR to suit your tastes. How often do you take that image back to where you photographed it to compare your image with reality?
It makes fuck all difference what you look through to capture the image!
bahahaha hold on Denis you don’t even OWN an SLr and you’re dishing out your information with this hilarious air of completely misconstrued authority, my god…
I owned SLRs before, sold them out.
EVF is the near future, but not today.
SLT will die, this ugly technology didn’t (and won’t) solve any problem but only added new ones. If you don’t agree with this, try to explain, what do you like exactly with SLTs?
My points:
SLT vs SLR
1) EVF is worse than OVF (from D7000, K-5) for framing, when using PDAF: additional lag, lower resolution, lower DR.
2) IQ is lower
SLT vs mirroless
1) Long flange distance makes it harder to create decent WA lenses. Ones that available are too large. It also adds bulk to camera. So -1 for SLT.
2) PDAF is faster than sensor based focusing technics (But not for long)
3) IQ is lower.
Your points?
So Denis, What are you using?
Advantage of SLT over SLR:
Continous liveview and PDAF.
No mirror-slap.
Advantage of SLT over mirrorless:
PDAF will always beat CDAF for speed. Mirrorless have improved so much that AF of stationary subjects in good light cannot be improved much more.
But in low light, or when tracking moving subjects, CDAF will forever be handicapped. Check D4 reviews to see what mirrorless will have to beat (and never will).
@ Wheelus
5N + three leica M asph lenses (super elmar 18, lux 35 asph fle, lux 50 asph). Will move to M10 after it will be announced.
a picture snap by a77, viewing in a77 lcd versus computer lcd have different brightness, color, who are suppose right?
Exactly. The ultimate point is, compare two “identical” images. Would you be able to tell which was taken with an EVF and which taken with an OVF? Nope! It makes NO difference to the final result.
Here is a link for all to enjoy… I smell a recall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Dgb2gbiwk
There are a few problems with the glorious D800 as well
AF/green LCD/camera lockups/CF cards
exploding…….lol
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&message=41145899&changemode=1
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/03/27/nikon-d800-issues.aspx/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/1567431@N22/discuss/72157629393112986/
As cameras get more and more complex strange issues are bound to arise and hopefully most of them can be resolved with firmware updates.
I don’t think Sony should get more flak for bugs in their recent offerings than the BIG TWO but it seems like to a lot of outsiders Sony is still “a four letter word”
😉
Most pros on Canikon don’t know boo about what is really going on, they just get handed a camera or buy the next body because it’s what they think they should do. They are focused on their art and not the technical details of the cameras they use. my Uncle had a studio in NYC for 50 years and a lot of my friends are pros and when I talk to them from an IT lover turned photographer standpoint and tell them what Sony is doing, they just glaze over. Lots of praise to Sony, and it seems like the company’s new focus is really going to produce some great lenses and cameras over the next few years
60fps at 1080p. No other brand on the market has it.
Vintage Minolta lenses will fit with adapter. Purchased a 70-300 f4 for $120 x the crop and you have a reach up to 500mm for just over a hundred bucks.
need I say more? Love my a77