The probably most interesting lens from yesterdays Voigtlander announcement is the completely new Full Frame 10mm f/5.6 lens designed specifically for E-mount. And SAR is the first site publishing the full optical design and spec table:
The other two lenses are:
• 12 mm F 5,6 Ultra-Wide-Heliar. Based on the current [shoplink 41219 ebay]M-mount version (here on eBay)[/shoplink]. Optimized for the digital cameras on the E-mount version!
• 15 mm F 4,5 Super-Wide-Heliar. Based on the current [shoplink 41220 ebay]M-mount version (here on eBay)[/shoplink]. Optimized for the digital cameras on the E-mount version!
Let us know what lens you are considering to buy! Vote here at SonyAlphaForum.
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Lens image also posted on Heise.de
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Very exciting!
But what is a “Selective aperture control system”?
When you turn a ring the aperture opening change?
De-clickable aperture ring like Loxias.
Can set it to Click or De-Clicked for shooting video.
Too bad no gel filter housing in the back (like Canon 17-40 etc) not available. Very exciting lens regardless
can you see the difference 10 to 17 ? think twice before post…
“think twice before post” Very good advice. Use this advice on yourself first
you got me 🙂 it apeared i needed three times
shit, non detachable hood and looks like no screw thread for filters
maybe lens buldges to much? but yeah bit 🙁
Complex formula in so small package
371g in e-mount sounds very nice; not like the fat Loxia. However the missing filter thread is puzzling and unwelcome.
And they said symmetrical designs smear on digital…
Symmetrical designs have short exit pupils which cause smearing as the light passes through the filter stack at a shallow angle. If you can somehow reverse (in the lens design) the astigmatism that results from the filter stack then you should be able to get the lens to work.
Errr… All of these three lenses would not be symmetrical designs, simply by looking at the optical cell above of the 10. They are “large” for the f/stop they have. A true symmetrical design would protrude a little more than the Hologon. The angle of incident ray on these lenses is straight already, hence, both vignetting and color cast are minimal on the 15 Mark 3.
There is no voodoo in somehow reversing the astigmatism here.
This is far from symmetrical.
But it’s close enough to smear, it looks very much like a Biogon which smears really badly.
Small aperture, non-symmetrical design… They’re relatively “big” for what they are. They might not smear, but the corners might not be so hot either.
Loxia 2/35 Biogon doesn’t smear at all. As long as you count the sensor stack in the optics calculations it should be fine.
Oh, ok.
A true symmetrical lens of this focal length would be buried deep into the mount.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photographic_lens_design
Where are the full size images?
Such a long wait until it comes to the shelves! So saad :'(
Then my wife dont see me saving up money for these lenses.
It will be here before we know it. Probably around the same time they will have the Batis lenses available. It does seem like a long time though.
What are you talking about? I got my Batis lenses in August. How long did you hesitate before pre-ordering?
July 5
Are they pretty sweet lenses? Did you get both?
Yep I got both. Pre ordered May 12 received them early August. 25/2 is pretty much the best FE lens ever made. 85/1.8 is fantastic as well.
“It will be here before we know it. (…) It does seem like a long time though.”
Yep 🙂
It seems that it doesn’t do close focus, too bad, could be a great adition to the e-mount.
Hmmm, CV12II or CV10 I can’t wait to try them out.
Get in line!
This is no where near as compact as SAR originally posted.
‘s all relative yo.
With that wide an angle, what filter size would they need, and how would they keep the lens small then? I think it’s why.
The 12mm currently has a 67mm filter, while the 15mm is at 58mm. They could just include the threads and let us deal with some minor vignetting.
Or else, a detachable hood and accessory filter adapter ring with threads would be nice. If this lens is popular, 3rd Party companies will build one to fit the existing hood and there won’t be any vignetting.
Weight sounds indeed fine.
Missing filter thread is a no go for me.
The VM adaptions of the 12 and 15mm will have filter threads but no detachable lens hood, so no go for filter systems.
I prefer screw-on filters, but I understand your pain. I also think I will be skipping the 10mm in that case, although if it is cheap enough…
Which “fat” Loxia is heavier than 371 grams?
I meant the 40% increase in weight for Loxia, compared to their ZM predecessors.
Probably means Batis, though even the 25mm weighs only 335g. ಠ_ಠ
That’s quite interesting actually.
So many of you are effin idiots. Is it that you are trolls? If you are, I hope you are getting paid to be as such. if not, you are even more of an idiot than normally possible.
Silence!
You should check the DPReview comments about this lens. They are discussing the word “sans”.
Funny how many people never think of turning off spell checking before capturing a screenshot 😉
I see what you mean!
The size is actually very comparable to the existing FE 55mm. This Voigtlander is just 3mm longer, and its diameter 4mm wider.
Not unreasonable by any means, you can tell the elements all fit together very tightly with no room to spare. But it’s not going to be the compact lens some people had hoped.
People didn’t expect to get that wide. This lens is a miracle if it performs, and smaller than ZM 15.
Why compare to the ZM ? The VM 15 is 64,8 mm (w) x 55,2 mm (l)
The ZM is F2.8, the VM F4.5, that’s quite a difference. Also priced accordingly.
The 10, 12 and 15 mm all seem to be about the same in E-mount, in that official promo picture from earlier.
Well then it’s more compact than the Canon EF 11-24mm F4 L at least, 🙂
http://camerasize.com/compact/#624.395,596.449,ha,t
Was replying to the above point in general, that it might be possible to design a wide double Gauss without smearing if it was designed from the start for the filter stack.
Exactly, Hologon is a good example. I also think all three Voigtlanders are retrofocus designs.
Damn, I think you’re right! A 77mm filter might have been fine!
At 1:10, why nobody remembered that? The de-clickable system was already present on the Voigtlander line up.
https://youtu.be/OX_JCbv4RFE
Don’t really understand why they don’t allow to remove the hood. Is a no go for me as well. Was already thinking of buying the M mount 15mm and this is even better. Found a website were they provide the possibility for rectangular filters but seems difficult to order and it’s not sure they will fit on the new 15mm. Have problems with the language and not sure they send it to Belgium:
http://bombophoto.com/shop/bombo-filters-holder-size-100mm-cokin-z/bombo100v15/
Any other possibility’s for rectangular filters ?
excuse my ignorance !, what is special about this f5.6 (slow) prime ?
Widest rectilinear lens on the market, size, IQ and probably price. The ultimate landscape tool.
Is special because will be the wider rectilinear lens (is not a fish eye) if you want something similar the options are the Canon 11-24mm f/4 (slow too but expensive) or the Sigma 12-24mm (f4.5-5.6 slow too) or the Sony 10-18mm for APS-C sensor f/4 (slow too and cover the full frame sensor between 12-16mm) or the Vivitar 13mm (13.9mm) f/2.8
I see your point , but too slow for a prime IMO .. Maybe it’s challenging to make fast primes at this focal leagth .. Btw you missed out the awesome Samyang 12mm f2 .. I have it and it’s tack sharp !
But the Samyang 12mm f/2 is a lens for APS-C sensor there is not another (fast or slow) rectilinear 10mm for a full frame
Ok , I missed the fact it’s FF , I admit my comparison is irrelevant. So it’s optically challenging to keep it rectilinear , demanding it’s also fast would be too much 🙂
It’s challenging to make any type of rectilinear lens at that focal length (covering FF) or more generally with that AOV, period.
Which is why is this the first rectilinear lens ever with such an AOV (130º). The nearest competitor has an AOV of 126º and has an f-stop of f/4, the second nearest competitor has AOV of 122º and also an f-stop of f/4. The widest lens with an f-stop of f/2.8 (or faster) has an AOV of 114º.
Your fancy Samyang has an AOV of 99º. A completely different ball game.
You understand that you’re comparing 12/2 crop lens to 10/5.6 full frame lens, right? That Samyang is great lens for sure but is comparable to 18/2.8 full frame lens. And there is many options in that fl/aperture range. That 8mm difference is huge in UWAs. 10mm is a very special lens indeed but I thnk the group actually buying that lens don’t mind that it’s f/5.6. They’d probably stop it down anyway 🙂
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Because you cant use filters on this lens anyways. If the hood is fixed it doesnt fall off, i wish that my lens hoods on my voigtlander 35 1.2, and 75 1.8 were fixed but they arent.
Any word what the minimum focus distances would be for the e-mount 15mm? I like the idea of using a close focus adapter with the m-mount 15mm because of the wide-macro kind of look. Maybe not possible with the new e-mount version?
I don’t think so, if that was the case the lens would’ve some kind of switch, like you have on RX1 and Leica Q.