Mark my words guys. Early 2015 will be very exciting for the whole photographic industry with many new cameras and what’s more important new sensors and advanced features. I already told you there is something big from Sony on the horizon (coming January). The Megapixel war is restarting and Canon will likely try to fight back Sony too. There is finally going to be a big battle on the Full Frame Mirrorless and on the sensor ground. These are the reasons:
1) Canon is seriously considering to launch a complete new mount system (Source: MirrorlessRumors). Likely a Full Frame mirrorless system to fight back the A7 series
2) At Dpreview Canon said “In the very near future you can expect us to show something in terms of mirrorless and also a higher resolution sensor.”
It’s going to be strong battle. If Canon gets “serious” with the new FF mirrorless mount system Sony will have to fight against a very strong PR machine. Sony really has to do things right in 2015 to not lose their current advantage. And it’s certainly a good news for us to know they have finally some competition!
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The difference is that Sony aren’t afraid of harming their FF dSLR sales because there isn’t much of it and they see Alpha as one system anyway.
It’s the EOS M3 from Canon…do you really expect a big leap towards a new mount and full-frame mirrorless “in the very near future” ? We all know Canon…it will be 2-3 years until they make another big move (if any).
Well, if mirrorless is the only future in ILCs as e-mount fanboys claim, Canikon will have to hit the segment hard. The problem for them is all the also-rans who couldn’t compete with them in DSLRs flooded the cropped ILC market with APS-C and M43 mirrorless systems. So I think they’re looking at a saturated market and wondering if there’s room for even more competition.
Canon appears to be looking at an approach of doing a me-too M43 system which doesn’t directly compete with their DSLRs. This is a similar approach Nikon took with their Nikon 1 system. While the Nikon 1’s success is debatable, it has at least given them great experience of building a stellar mirrorless AF system. Reading between the lines of Nikon exec interviews, it seems they’re trying to translate that into larger mirrorless bodies which can take legacy glass and offer acceptable performance levels.
So, I’d say Canon’s conservative approach is leaving them clearly a step behind Nikon which, in turn, is clearly a step behind Sony in mirrorless.
Lenses are very important as well. Sony just need to give photographers a diverse lineup of lenses. Affordable, expensive, fast, zoom, etc. If they can provide that before Canon launches the camera, they still have the big advantage Canikon has now with their current lens lineup for DSLR.
The problem is not with Sony lense but Sony management.
They have so allienated 3rd party lens manufacturers..that would happily fill any gaps Sony leaves open..that Sony versions are built last or not at all.
Manufacturers are even more reluctant to back E mount because it has all indications of possibly being a fad facilitated by the lack of any competition.
Beany babies were projected to be worth hundreds of dollars each by now…
Compact cameras and mirrorless cameras are here to stay…bit that does not necessarily mean E mount is here to stay.
Unless E mount is made a lot more compatable with other lenses..both A mount and Canikon E mount will fail…and owners of expensive new E mount glass will be the hardest hit because thier lenses will be useless for anything else.
Instead of chanting kill the A mount and foolishly believinmg E mount is compatable they should be the ones hollering loudest for better compatability…because they will be hit the hardest when the system fails.
Can should adopt E mount and start making lenses for it.
Sorry, this can’t be…’Barry’ declared that Canon’s version would be fully compatible with all their existing lenses…
Seriously though, I don’t know how any camera company will make money soon. There is a limited pot to spend on new gear and each new product needs to sell a certain number to recoup development and manufacturing costs. However, if a new improved model comes out before that crucial number have sold most of the available money will shift to the latest and the first item will be loss-making.
As this becomes a rolling scenario, there won’t be a single camera that returns a profit. Eventually it will become a war of attrition and leave very few makes. This will be bad for consumers and I think we are seeing it now. Sony keep releasing fantastic products but are losing money by the bucketload. Dangerous times.
You said it. It’s already a war of attrition, with desperate money-losing manufacturers (Sony, Olympus, Panasonic, Fuji, Samsung, Ricoh) raising their prices higher and higher in an attempt to juice revenue. In this situation, they are forced to constantly roll out new models, with resulting marketing, distribution, publication, support, not to mention production costs.
Even when the models offer no significant improvement (eg, 16MP sensors) they are still churned out with minor feature changes, in an attempt to churn the same loyal customer base, whose eagerly-purchased last season’s model just had its residual value decimated.
In a desperate attempt to reduce costs, these companies reduce their support and distribution network even more, as well as their marketing efforts.
Meantime, last season’s models gather dust on dealer shelves, further alienating crucial retailers who are get stuck with old stock.
This is not sustainable. Nothing good can come out of forcing yourselves to swirl the drain faster and faster.
Meanwhile, the two profitable camera companies just sit back and go through the motions. What’s their motivation to do anything different?
This is not a desirable order of things. Normally competition would result in cheaper prices. In this case, they’ll keep raising prices of cameras and lenses ever higher, if only to gain even six months’ more life, even at the sacrifice of long term longevity.
Lol, ‘Mark my words, Photokina’s gonna be great lots of A mount A99, A9, bla bla bla’…
NOT. You’ve unnecessarily lost a lot of credibility recently. The more interesting things such as A7 and QX1 you couldn’t even predict.
…so? This is a rumors site. And also plans change.
He’s got a point. It’s always wait until spring, it will be so awesome! No, wait till summer, it’s gonna be so fanatstic, the summer of A-mount and mega Sony product explosion! No, wait, everything will be at Photokina! No, wait, it will be in January 2015! Wait, the big thing will happen in summer! Be patient Sony fans! Just a couple more months until PMA! Photokina 2016 will be so awesome! Everything Sony you ever dreamed of will be presented there!
Why less DSLR / DSLT style APS-C camera’s and more unaffordable FF camera’s and there unaffordable lenses, to many people it’s not what they want ? is APS-C style DSLR / DSLT dead for the manifactures ? are they pushing the consumers to FF for more own profit ?
Yes, more profit margin in products that can be labelled as “premium”.
Canon/Nikons mirrorless forays have been less than sparkling so far. They will need to seriously up their game to get anywhere near Sony And Panasonic.
… and Olympus, and Samsung, and Fuji…
EOS M mkIII
Canon’s response to Sony was price cuts off their lenses.
As a Canon user I really hope they won’t repeat with the EF mount what they did with the FD mount. If they launch a new mount, I hope they will still develop dslr bodies and EF lenses (just like Sony needs to develop dslt bodies and A mount lenses).
http://photobyandrei.wordpress.com/
This is exactly what I have been talking abought the last couple of days.
Despite the fact that I have only been talking about what actually is happening I recieved over 60 cant happen wont happen shouldnt hsppen Barry is crazy comments.
A Canon and Nikon ff mirrorless system if it is compatable wtith thier own lense…via adapter..will instantly be serious competition for E mount…
Sony currently lacks that full compatability…in fact if E mount were to go away the current shorter mount E mount lenses could not be converted to any other mount.
Sony had a one time missed opportunity to make a universal camera system fully compatable with all lenses…instead they chose to make a new proprietary mount…where all lenses partly work but only E mount fully work.
I dont get it. Why can n/c make something fully compatible where sony did not? They also can go only one way with adapters.
With the patent and technology Sony bought from Aptina, it is totally possible to make on sensor pdaf to work with A-mount lenses. This is also why a6000 has a break through on AF speed.
No it isn’t. You simply don’t understand why.
“Sony lacks full frame compatibility…”? No, it doesn’t. They sell a couple of adapters to provide exactly that.
Furthermore, the earlier claims you made were that Canon and Nikon would have immediate full compatibility. As has been pointed out, IT ISN’T POSSIBLE TO DO THAT!!!
You have to have an adapter and so all it means is that Canon and Nikon are coming late to the party. If they get it wrong in any respect, either performance or price, they will be shot to pieces by the critics.
Heres another ever popular it cant be done comment…but while some people spend all thier time hollering it cant be done others are busy doing it
Also full comatabily means all lens functions work via adapter…NOTHING IS FULLY COMPATABLE WITH E MOUNT EXCEPT NATIVE E MOUNT AND MANUAL LENSES.
Who?
Please explain fully compatible. All functions of the A-mount lenses are working on the E-mount when adapted with the LA-EA4 lets take a look:
1. EXIF data: send to the camera by the lens
2. Apperture control: Fully compatible with the adapter
3. AF: Speedy AF is possible with ALL A-mount lenses, even the screw drive lenses
4: OSS: When the lens have OSS it is completely functional
So what LENS compatability do you need more? Remember that the IBIS in the A-mount is not a LENS thing but a CAMERA thing. The number of focus points in the adapter is a camerathing, not a lens thing.
So please accept that Sony is the ONLY brand that gives you fully compatability with their old lenses. Even more there are adapters out there that makes the Sony cameras fuly compatible with Canon lenses. These adapters make the Canon lenses do exactly the same as the Sony LA-EA4 adapter does, only the AF is slow. And some of thowse adapters even turn your 70-200mm f2.8 FF Canon lens into a lens that have the FOV as that lens had on a FF camera but a stop better low light apperture on an APS camera.
So looking at Sony, they did exactly what you are asking Canon, but Sony did it years ago.
If you have stabilization with A mount and not with E mount that is not fully compatable…irregardless of whether you choose to blame it on the camera or the lens.
As long as Sony can bait you in with buy are E mount camera because your A mount lenses are full compatable using LAEA4 ….and then switch you to E mount native lenses because E mount lenses have stabilization and A mount lenses work…then the bait and switch works and the compatabilty is the bait and switch lie.
The only reason there is no LAEA4 adapter for Canon And Nikon lenses is that they have OSS and WOULD be compatab ln e..therefore the bait and switch would not work if they did that..therfore no LAEA4 for Canikon lense.
Its the oldest con game in the book.
you use the word lie, but there is no lie. The lenses work exactly as they work on the A-mount cameras. All the lens functions are in the A-mount lenses. No not all the camera functions are in the combinations, and Sony do not claim that. You are mixing things up.
And about bait and switch lies. Canon came with the EOS-m didin’t they? They told everyone how great it was (a real number 1 lie as they knew it was one of the worst ILC cameras Canon ever made) Then they stopped supporting it. Now they claim they are serious about mirrorless (again) and you praise them for that. But I think it is a bait and switch lie again. Only they hope you bait into Canon again and then switch to their oversized and over priced DSLR range. Don’t you think?
Bait and switch is the oldest con in the book.
It is so effective because it does not use actual lies but rather misleading claims.
Technically claiming it is a camera funtion chsnges nothing..
The lens still will not do the job on E mount that it will on A mount…and you still need to switch to E mount native lenses to get a fully funtional lens.
As for Stabilization not being a lens funtion…of coarse it is a lens funtion..it is a lens function that is not present on A mount lenses…therefore they are not fully compatable with E mount..if you want a lens thatdoes everything on E mount you need to switch to a native E mount lens.
So you say now yourself:
You say it is a function that is not in A-mount lenses so how can a function that is not in a lens be a lens function? That is confusing.
And, as IS has not to be in the lens to be a lens function I can tell you it has not to be in the camera or the lens to be there in the E-mount system. And you know what? It is the most effective stabilisation system in the world: It is called (drums) tripod. And there is the cheaper and simpler system called (drums again) monopod.
So now you see that you can use all your Sony (and even other legacy) lenses stabilized. So no lies from Sony, only from you!
Get this through your head…people that want to use tripods or momopods have no need for a pocet camera they can use a real camery
Most people want to shoot hand held and want image stabilization.
You keep playing your silly little word games in hopes you might find some other meaning for one or two of the words I choose that differs from the meaning of my statement..but it changes nothing…you know exactly what I am saying.
‘pocket’ cameras take photos, that seems to make them real enough cameras to me…
So are you saying you dont want stabilization..thats what my comment was about….or are you just playing word games with one or two of the words I chose…that is also what the comment was about.
Perhaps if you didn’t deliberately choose to use the language that you do, people wouldn’t call you out on it. Just because a camera doesn’t have the features that YOU require for your particular type of photography does not make them then un’real’ cameras… Choose your words better.
Dear barry, People are using tripods with all kind of cameras, from small P&S up to large MF cameras. Yes stabilisation is a nice extra, but people buying in to a system know what to expect. I knew when I bought my Nex 5 that my 70-400 G should not have stabilisation and so know most people what they buy.
I’m just playing the word game you started. You tell that a pocket camera is not real, You tell that A–mount is not fuly compatible with E-mount with adapter, you tell…
In the end we will see what kind of mirrorless Canon will come with, but I predict that when that camera is not a real revolutionairy camera it wil not outsell Sony it probably will die in the same way the EOS-M died slowly and silently. Canon was so dedicated with the EOS-M at launch that they overpricesed and under featured in it, thinking that people will buy it as there is CANON on the front. People here predicted the end of E-mount. And look now: E-mount is number #1 and Canon is what? # nuber 6 or 7 behind Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Nikon, Fuji and Samsung…
People don’t forget this bad news from Canon you know…
If the new Canon or Nikon ff mirrorless system is not fully compatable with thier own lense Canikon users will be a lot more pissed off than A mount users are…
This is my last comment as your reply makes no sense whatsoever.
There is no-one ‘doing it’, despite your bizarre claims. Sony’s solution is as good as most are likely to be, even in the longer term.
Effectively, it is as though you want a tyre manufacturer to make a tyre that will fit every wheel and vehicle, past, present, and future, racing car or earth-mover, though when people tell you it is not possible you have a tantrum and try to ridicule their opinion.
I’m not even sure of your motives. Do you have shares in Sony? Do you have a Sony A mount lens but no camera to put it on? Who do you think should pay attention to your outbursts?
By all means have an opinion as to what you might like to see and why, or express concerns about a particular policy, but your endless ranting just comes across as very odd indeed.
He owns a lens that doesn’t have stabilization and is pissed off about it. So naturally the proper course of action is to complain about it for a few years.
Peter the couple adapters are as good as a native lens I have LA4 and LA3 they don’t foucs fast enough and some features like flash illumination assistance wont work comparing to natives lenses. So adapters is no the solution here. I agree that sony should not change to E mount now A mount users are not shure what to buy next if A mount or E mount lenses.
Barry one brand did come with a mirrorless camera that was ully compatable with all their old lenses and did it became an instand hit? NO! Why not? The system was to large and AF was not fas. Nobody saw the advantages of the Penac K-01.
It is technological impossible to make a camera fully compatable with all lenses on the market without adapters. Take a look at the next physical differences between the mounts: Diameter, placement of the contacts, flange distance, etc. You will always need an adpter, it does not matter if your name is Canon, Nikon, Sony or whoever!
Then in the interviewCanon mention that they get serious with mirrorless, they tell us nothing about what we can expect from them. Will it be a FF camera with high MP count? will it be a small sensored camera, like the very successfull Nikon 1 series? Will it be …
The only thing we know is that they will do it with a new mount, an you think that Canon will have a new mount that is fully compatible with their old mount? No new lenses for their new camera mount? When that is true the flange distance has to be as large as the flange distance as the DSLRs making their cameras very thick. No small cameras possible,
So please explain to me how Canon will make a small camera (that is what the majority of peope want) and keeping it compatble wthout adapter for all their old lenses. OK one thing, when they come with a moving sensor, he camera has to have the same thickess as the thick DSLRs…
I think the SLT adapter was a fantastic move from Sony to enable fast AF with lenses designed for a separate PDAF chip and then to support screw driven lenses as well. At some point in the future the LAEA4 will be the option for screw driven lenses. Barry, when you are shooting birds with a tripod at a high shutter speed do you leave SSS/IBIS on?
I usually shoot my long lenses hand held with some form of body support so IBISis left on.
When using a tripod movement are kept loose..with tention..for rabit camera repositioning. ..therefore IBIS is left on.
I am not saying you should leave it on..just telling you what I do.
I was reading Nikon Rumors and they were chatting up the Nikon 1 V3 finally coming back in stock and the fact Nikon is bundling their FT1 adapter with it for free. I’d never really looked the FT1 before and I found it interesting Nikon decided no to stuff a mirror in it like Sony did. Right now it only supports single-point focus but I find it encouraging that Nikon will be able to develop mirrorless cameras compatible with their legacy glass. Improving upon that single-point AF limitation likely is the performance improvement challenge they’re talking about.
Give me a dedicated back AF button and single-point will get me by. Unfortunately, not even the so-called “serious” Nikon 1 Vx bodies have one. Maybe you can optionally wire up Fn button.
A lens is a lens is a lens..
They all do the same thing and have many or all the same functions..
The fact that a mirrorless camera supllies an electric current to a motor to focus is commont to all modern lenses.
If the launguage is different or sone component is lacking an adapter can be made to translate and include the missing component or the camera can be redesighne to speak the rite launguage.
The ONLY reason a solution has not been found is because Sony believes bait and switch is more profitable.
There is not one statement in the whole WWW that says there will come a FF mirrorless from Canon with a high megapixel count. There are some considerations that Canon could go towards smaller sensor cameras with a now mount if they reach IQ of the current FF models or that they will improve mirrorless cameras or dual pixel needs further improvement to serve as mirrorless af base or that there could be a high megapixel sensor in the future. It is a bit too high expectation to state all these rumored future tech will show in one small super camera.
I think Sony have more competition from other mirror-less manufacturers than Canon…Canon has an excellent track record for producing rubbish mirror-less cameras.
Exactly. Panasonic, Aptina, Toshiba.. all make good sensors.
Thank you Canon.
The only reason Sony is making thier next new tech sensor this soon is because you are.
I expect all the major camera players will riding this new wave.
Based on very old rumors I would not be surprised if this new tech is mirrorless..but I have absolutely no knowledge that it will be.
I see no reason mirrorless can only be a compact new mount…partly incompatible with all current lenses…rather than just a continuation of current camera form and lenses.
At some point the technology will be worked out…mayby January is that point?
For someone who cares so much about resolution, praising canon is absurd. For how many years now have they been in last place in resolution? They have been stuck at a max of 21 to 22 mp for over 5 years.
I am predicating my statements on a high res Cannon sensor coming soon.
The lack of resolution has till now been the reason for avoiding Canon.
Give Canon high resolution, mirrorless and fast focusing and what is left to stop an exodus.
A) Most users don’t give a damn about higher resolution (hence Canon’s success despite no increase in resolution in nearly 6 years).
B) An exodus to canon? They are already the market leader. The current users of Sony a or e bodies will remain because they like the innovation & features Sony has brought and/or to support their lens / accessory library.
Personally I think an a-mount body is complimented very nicely by an e-mount body. The a7s’s sensitivity more than compensates for lack of IBIS when adapting (I tested extensively). Nonetheless, if you prefer a canon camera you should go for it. The 7d2 just came out (after nearly 6 years). If you are holding out on that 46mp sensor though beware – if Sony drops it into a 1d-s successor it will cost over 5k.
Preference in colour rendition, handling, investment in glass, brand loyalty etc…
Sony is not giving no impression of being loyal to its own A mount customers..so why should anyone be loyal to Sony?
I’m just giving you the reasons why people might stick with their camera manufacturer.
A-mount is dead; E-mount is the future. PDAF is old tech; On-Sensor PDAF keeps improving. IBIS is bad and will overheat; OSS is much effective. Mechanical focus or aperture control is slow and outdated; fly-by-wire is fast and precise. DSLR sharp is ugly; E-mount bodies are elegantly designed.
For japanese or childrens hands maybe… A7/A7R/A7s and Nex are too small for my hands, looks and feels like a toy.
Don’t know why mirrorless must go together with size all the time. Therefore agree with you, that Sony should have brought a mirrorless Pro-Camera that is practical and fits in ones hands. I see some advantages in mirrorless when looking at focusing or at the absence of mirror shock. Since the a7 has shutter shock the ideal mirrorless camera would have central shutter lenses. But here we are talking about future products and are already dreaming of the future future products…. 🙂
Why must the shutter be in the lens, hat is very old tech. No the shutter must be fully electronical on chip, just like he A7s, bu then better. It is rumored that Sony is woking on that. hat will realy make the mechanical parts in a camera less then there is now.
Have you checked that out by yourself? I thought the same with the old NEX series but the new A7 is larger and fits good to my big hands. I don’t know how it feels on a longer photo session or for real pro user, but the A7 (or A6000) works perfectly as a light travel cam with superior image quality. I don’t mind the form factor and am looking for a improved A7 (electronic shutter, GPS, A6000-like controls).
I have the A7R and A7s and I will sell them as soon Sony brings out an A99 II. The A7x are good for travelling, but in most cases I do use my A77 II and A900.
A-Mount SLT is the future; E-Mount is a limited market. PDAF is a mature tech, OSPDAF may be limited by design. IBIS is great, doesn’t overheat and works with all lenses as effective as OSS. DSLR ergonomics are infinitely better than P&S style of current mirrorless.
You are probably a paid troll with no evidence to back up your unfounded statements.
Troll alert
Canon are due to announce their 46 MP Pro body at the end of October if this is to be beleived, and I do beleive the rumour
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1318815
Why are you all so sceptical? Didst thou not read in the interview that Canon consider their own DSLR sensors are currently the best on the market? Wilt thou not believe?
I understand Sony’s vision of ILC market in that they try to sell as many Hi-End (last generation) CMOS sensors to all other camera manufacturers ass possible. Therefor they challenge established DSLR systems with “innovative” FF cameras, showing all customers (including CANIKON fans) that in 2014 we should only accept no less than 85 DxOMark score. Our lust for latest-greatest sensor performance pushes CaNikon into Sony’s hands. And Sony doesn’t care if we value good optics, in fact they will be happier if we continuosly spend our money on new cameras. I guess that for this reason (not to draw off our attention and budget from latest NEX bodies) they have no interest in producing high-quality lenses.
I thought Canon’s new mount was a competitor to the Nikon 1 series with possibly the Sony sensor.
Eventually all camera manufacturers will phase out their existing lines and move to mirrorless mount sooner or later.
agree
Eventually there won’t be any stills cameras anyway. You can predict anything by starting the statement with “eventually”. It’s pointless.
Eventually the World will end. See?
Wow you intensionally missed the point…well done
I guess you missed the memo stating that Kazuo Hirai is an E-mount troll.
If Canon and Nikon move into serious mirrorless area, we can hope to see some well constructed camera bodies with really durable camera mounts with no plastic.
Yes, this is great news for the users, indeed! 🙂
Have you broken a plastic mount on a camera body?
The E mounts (lens mount on the body) have plastic teeth. Of all the camera mounts I have seen in the mirrorless (APS-C and larger), I would roughly grade the quality of construction as follows:
Samsung NX >>> Fuji X ~ EOS M >>>>>Sony NEX/E.
It is at the bottom of the pile. Honest.
Sincerely hoping that someone will kick Sony where it matters to make it better.
So “no” then. 😉
I did not say that!
No, you avoided the question instead.
You also didn’t answer the question.
I will put it this way. Plastic teeth grind away leaving a loose mount. Hanging heavy lenses (via adapters etc) is mostly avoided and when used, they are used with a delicate touch and proper balance. Tripod mounts are never used because the cams have no chassis (but a few plates put together).
Having said all this, the overall QC (ie., no camera dies on its own due to a flaw or lack of QC) is good, unlike some of the Nikons.
So, there is enough carrot to chug along all the while hoping that the build quality would improve and improve dramatically.
Hope that clears up my take on this. 🙂
what’s wrong with plastic (in this case polycarbonate)?
The fragility of plastic is just general perception like everybody seem to believe that aluminium means premium (Cf. Apple, Leica T, Audi cars, etc..)
But their is a common product made entirely in aluminium that is cheap and fragile but for some reason no one relate it to high end products to discard them : soda can.
Just look at the iPhone 6 bendgate to see aluminium doesn’t automatically mean strength.
If Canon are moving to FF mirror-less. Their roll out will be just in time to see Sony leap frog them with the next generation A series….I don’t see Canon having much of a market share being so late to the party…
Nah….Canon has such a large user-base that if they were to bring out a mirrorless cam with an appropriate adapter for their existing lenses, they’ll make money hand over fist.
Yeah just like their M series mirrorless camera. Which has flopped so badly they withdrew it completely from the US market…..Canon is no longer the ‘untouchable’
People only buy E mount because Canon and Nikon have nothing comparable to offer.
When they introduce thier comparable quality system AND its fully compatable with all thier lenses..why would anyone by E mount.
The only possible reason they have not allready released thier systems is that they intend to make it compatable with thier own lenses and are taking the time to make sure they are.
Both Canon and Nikon have a real flash system that, in addition to the lenses and other accessories, would certainly make it more attractive than what Sony have to offer.
Sony’s RX series, on the other hand, being a stand alone thingy, has a bright future, along with the other RX P&S cams.
They are certainly unmatched when it comes to the compact cams.
As long as Sony sells their sensors to the competition, their cameras can be matched by any of their competitors. Canon is coming out with the G1 X Mark II as a direct competitor to the RX100 series. We know Canon outsourced their 1″ sensor for it and the conventional wisdom is it came from Sony since the specs match up.
That said, I find some irony in the IQ of the new G1 X Mark II looking so awful. Maybe it’s poor optics. Maybe it’s beta-ware that hasn’t been properly tweaked and optimized. However, even if Canon’s new direct competitor to the RX100 isn’t very good with their first whack at the market the point is Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Fuji, etc. can enter any market Sony pioneers by simply calling up their sensor sales office and placing an order.
Er…no, so long as Sony successfully sells sensors to manufacturers Sony cameras will continue to have access to great new & innovative sensors thanks to shared R&D costs, external demand. This also gives Sony greater pricing flexibily thanks to the economy of scale beyond their own cameras.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0661793352/photokina-2014-sony-interview-we-still-need-to-create-more-lenses
the exec from Sony explain how the sensor business work regarding to the other brands that have access to their sensors.
The story behind the 36mp happen only once and everybody seem to think it’s the common way Sony operates his business.
At the end the 36mp sensor may had exist only because Nikon ordered this very specific sensor to Sony as a supplier. That would explain the one year exclusivity that Nikon had upon it and why Sony wasn’t able to put it in the Alpha 99.
Sony makes more profit either way…so a win win…
Sony would be wise to release a successor to the f62 that works, build in wireless controls into the flashes & cameras and include standard pc sync ports in their flashes. Thankfully third parties are finally releasing MIS accessories.
The Metabones smart adapter is “fully compatible” right now with a real product not whispers.
Metabones provides only rudimentary autofocus and none for 3rd party canon lenses.
I believe Nikon lenses are even less functional
I am not 100% sure if any additional capability is currently available..if someone out there knows the complete scope af adapter compatability perhaps they would be kind enough to share that with us.
It worked well whenever I used it. Generally-speaking, e-mount is as close to a universal mount there is since m42.
Though here is my confusion, you are praising Canon for potentially working on a mirrorless camera with a new mount, which can use an adapter to mount EF lenses with AF and communication. Years ago, Sony released a mirror less camera line along with two adapters that allows users to mount a-mount lenses with AF and communication. A year ago, Sony released full frame versions of the mirror less bodies with full frame adapters and one of their cameras features the highest res full frame sensor available.
Yet, you vilify Sony and praise Canon. Do you really not see that contradiction?
Sony refuses to put IBIS in E mount.
That would be fine for Canikon because they never had it but not fine for Sony becauese they have made A mount users dependent on IBIS.
If Sony wpuld det off thier high horse and build an A mount camera with IBIS…on at least a high end version…then that would pacify many A mount users.
No matter what they do now though if Sony or Nikon offer a mirrorless that works with thier old lenses it will be too little too late for Sony.
Logic vaccuum – you will (and should) move from Sony cameras because you want a mirrorless camera with IBIS only to buy a replacement camera from Canon…without IBIS.
I am currently planing to get a Sigma 150~600 and a new high res camera that it will stay on.
Sigma has oss.
So at this point I am able to choose whatever camera and lens mount for the lens are best for me…
I am anxious to get specs on the new products so I can decide.
The s version is available for Canikon..the c version for sony…
Need to learn how 2 lenses compare as that will play a big part in my decision.
Your sweeping grand statements and delusions of knowing what your talking about is a bit embarrassing dude…
I do not claim to know the future..I do however forecast the future.
Because these forecasts are based. On a combination of current events, trends, rumors, and news…and I add my own logic and experience to the combination..most of these predictions do happen even if not in exactly the time frame or maner I have predicted.
As for grand sweeping statemends…I prefer to call them controversial statements..
I do delberately chooses to make controversial statements because they generate a lot more interesting and lively discussion then non controversial topics.
My topics are usually controversial because they are a little bit ahead of thier time and most people are not yet ready for them…
But look back a year..2 years ago at all the crazy outrageous statements I made back then and most…not all..of them are now reality.
yes, i need those fe lens price drop if that happen
Of course, all these suckers are out there to make money and lots of it. As long as we users can find something that is useful for us, it is fine. 🙂
If Cannon makes thier ff mirrorless full compatable with thier own lenses and introduces a better next generation sensor..why would anyone choose E mount with semi compatable bait and switch lenses.
Canon does not need to be better than Dony….only competitive and they will instantly kick Sony’s butt.
Imagine a Canon mirrorless system..just as good as E mount..but able to use all canons lenses..
An adapter will be required to mount EF lenses and the adapter will not magically stabilize the plethora of Canon lenses that do not have stabilization (such as the 24-70, 16-35, 85 1.2 and other zooms & primes below 200mm).
competition is always a good thing for consumers. bring it.
With FF mirrorless no longer being their solo domain, Sony may need to switch their attention back to DSLR.
RIght now Sony has no good FF offering – mirrorless has no fast AF and no f/2.8 zooms, A-Mount has no compelling FF body. The latter is easier to fix. All tech is there for the A99IIR and A99IIS, to bring Sony back in the game.
Like I said before – Canon is using the lower end cameras as test beds for on-sensor PDAF.
This will lay the foundation for use in FF cameras with performance that will appeal to the more serious photographer.
I really hope they have perfected the Af system for use in mirrorless cameras. This will light up the market. Samsung has already thrown the first rock with their latest NX1 announcement.
They also have the ideal specs – mirrorless, fast framerate with full AF, no AA filter, tilt LCD, high MP and hopefully with BSI tech the high ISO performance will be acceptable up to 6400.
Hopefully they’ll have included a global shutter or at least a fully electronic shutter option for completely silent shooting.
One can only hope.
After A7x is no longer a unique product, SLT will still be.
You will be able to buy FF mirrorless from Canon, but SLT only from Sony.
That’s why after this happens, they need to push SLT hard as their unique offering.
Except the market doesn’t want SLT…It’s a dead end…
You must be a paid troll with your unfounded claims.
A lot of people like SLT, choose Sony specifically for this reason, A77 series sells well.
And that’s with 0 marketing from Sony.
Paid by who…Sony??
It was LU CID’s theory about the people on this forum who make stupid unfounded claims about A-Mount, that they can be paid trolls.
Tom_Tom also suggested these people may feel inferior and insecure and make rediculous claims to validate themselves.
My theory was even simpler – people are idiots.
Pick which one you like most.
you do realize that while you accuse Gav being a troll to SLT you do exactly the same thing with E-mount by declaring it’s a dead tech.
I’m alway amaze by those A-mount shooter who want the end of E-mount, especially in a post about Canon and Nikon who acknowledge that it was a mistake to overlook this segment in photography.
It’s seem clear to every manufacturers now that they need those two lines of products to sustain a viable business.
Or maybe we will start to see in Canikon forum that DSLR are dead because of their own mirroless system.
I never declared E-Mount dead tech. Why would I say such an utterly stupid thing.
Another guy making unfounded claims…
…Wow with the defensive posturing and name calling you are really quite worried…Cheer up..
What if he’s both
Does Sony market the movies they produce? A film is not a long term investment.
Yes but film production is…
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ad for Sony Pictures, just ads for their individual movies.
Correct… People don’t see films because they are made by Sony. They go because they want to see a particular film…
I don’t purchase a camera because this made by Sony. I do it because it has the features and build that I require. The only way to know if a camera meets my needs is through marketing a camera model and consumer education.
Gav’s stupidity is genuine. He obviously has never owned a A77, A77II, or A99 so he’s just talking out of pure ignorance.
I doubt he could afford a Sony SLT, and there accompanying Zeiss lenses.
Name calling….what class…Correct I don’t own SLT. I have used it and tested it, and chose to buy into FE mount. It was the logical future.
Had you owned one for more than a year you’d probably be singing a different tune. I didn’t get the SLT madness until I bought a A77, and used for over a year.
Originally I had it parked on the 70-400g, and later I started using it on the 70-200g. After a while I began using it more often than my A900. Which is why I bought the A99 in 2012. I didn’t buy it as a A900 replacement. To me it’s a Full Frame version of my favourite camera.
I couldn’t imagine using a DSLR or mirror-less as my primary camera.
The A77II is just shredding the 7DMKII. Many of them are upgrading to there A77II, because it is the best professional quality APS-C camera produced.
The only thing the 7DMKII brings to the table is a outdated sensor, and a price tag that is $900.00 higher than people a willing to pay for.
It (A77II) clearly has no competition.
On Amazon, 7DMKII is 20th, and 77IIM2 is 37th. What is your source?
The feedback for the 7DMKII isn’t hot. If the A77II is only 17 position behind, then Canon is in serious trouble.
Read the user comments on DP review. People are clearly not happy, and moving on. Most of the Canon users are praising the A77II, and the 16-50mm f/2.8 SSM.
And that’s the problem Sony is having with SLT. They weren’t expecting it to catch on so late in the game, but the A77, and A77II changed that.
The A77II has eclipsed it rivals, they can’t match its performance or price. When the next SLT arrive this situation may repeat in the full frame DSLR segment.
If a 36mp 12fps, and a 45-46mp SLT are launched in January Nikon, and Canon will clearly have a serious problem on its hands.
If the A77II had a Canon badge and mount on it you’d see exactly how many people want SLT, it would be a huge seller.
Why is everyone so obsessed with Canon….its a bit sad…
Actually 8-11% do, which is why SLT makes up 31% of Sony’s camera revenue. The A-Mount is growing still. Not huge growth, but good enough to justify SLT.
It took Nikon 2 years to milk their consumers to get to the d810 the camera the d800 should have been, Sony are not Canikon, and with these rumours from Canon they cannot afford the time or liberties Canikon take from their consumers.
Update the A7r now and make those think twice about the d810 or waiting for the next Canon.
There is no point, Sony doesn’t understand it’s customers outside of Japan. Canon does which is why they dominate the SLR.
Once Canon launches its mirror-less full frame, most if not all professionals will forget there the A7 even existed.
The reason Canon dominates the DSLR world can be devided in two things: They came at the right time with the right camera (first with the EOS film cameras, then with the EOS digital cameras. Almost all professionals are using Canon. So people looking for a DSLR will ask around by family and freinds, change is great they own a Canon camera, so they will tell them to buy Canon.
Now look at mirrorless, why is Canon not on top? They came to late with the wrong camera. People went to Sony, Fuji and Panasonic. Chances are that when tey ask family and freinds for a camera they wil be told that Sony is the best choice for them.
It will be very hard for Canon to catrch up with them unless they come with a realy exiting camera that will put Sony back. Looking at the cameras Canon came with in the past, nothing realy exiting, it is Sony and Panasonic who are winning the most exposure online.
When the EOS-M was rumoured everyone was telling that Sony could better go fishing, but after that Sony sales only got better and better…
And don’t forget, Canon told they were serious when they came with the APS EOS-M, but failed, will people believe them to be realy serious with the new mount?
Canon and “undrestand”… maybe not for all customers, this is what Andrew (from eoshd.com) has been told when he asked canon about filming features in their cams:
“I have a different view of that, told them so very politely at Photokina and was met with a nasty and arrogant response which I actually have recorded onto my iPhone. It was unprofessional of Canon to respond in that way, and for me it told me volumes about how they see the readers of my blog. “Silly little enthusiast filmmakers. We don’t care about them.”
@Admin: When did they say it’s FF? Pretty sure they said it’s a smaller than FF but technologically advanced to keep up with FF. Not that I agree it’s possible. ..
Yesterday.
Nikon has also made comments /hints that they too are working on ff mirorless.
If that’s the case I wouldn’t invest in Sony mirror-less. Canon’s camera will make the Sony A7 irrelevant overnight. Bypassing APS-C sized sensors is smart.
I hope Sony enjoys first place for now, because they’ll be sitting in third shortly. There is no way the A7 will survive serious competition from Canon, and Nikon.
Thats exactly what I have been saying.
Looks like my A7 is going to take a oneway trip to ebay land. Cause I certainly will not invest heavily in another Sony interchangeable platform.
Their support for A-Mount, and it’s users base has been horrible.
In my wildest imagination I cant imagine Canon or Nikon treating thier users the way Sony has treated A mount users..
Can you picture Canikon saying we have a neww full frame professional system of extremely high quality..while older lenses can be used on this new mount with an adapter for best results you will want to purchase native new mount lenses that will focus faster than your old ones.
I would definitely expect them to have more rezpct for thier customers than that.
From Sony I fully expect the latest cutting edge state of the art technology and the best most functional new features ever seen…but nothing more than that.
Yes Canons respect for their customers is so much better then Sony’s.I just talked to a dedicated EOS-M user well he felt so respected when he tried to buy a released WA zoom for his camera in the states. He felt so respected when he read here that Canon might come with a new mount for mirrorless. He is so willing to buy into that new mount as the respect from Canon is that good…
Please be fair!
Yep. And their eagerness to offer a e-mount roadmap and unwillingness to offer an a-mount one doesn’t instill confidence. Add to that Andrea recently said his sources for e-mounts pan out while he’s got to double and triple check a-mount ones because Sony often freezes or cancels products on the fly making his predictions like the Photokina a-mount bust epic fails.
Yeah, I went Nikon while I’m not putting up my Sony stuff up on FleaBay. Mirrorless fanboys hate Canikon’s conservative approach but at least they’re not throwing their DSLR owners under the bus.
Both Nikon and Canon execs also said in the DP review’s interview that they were very happy and commited with their respective mirroless system when both failed in that particular market.
If they are as comitted for a FF mirroless that they were with the Eos M and 1serie, Sony have nothing to worry about.
I wouldn’t underestimate Canon. They were smart in avoiding the low end. The high end is where the real money is. Every professional Canon mirror-less user will buy at a minimum three zooms, and three primes.
Every camera sold will lead to between $6000-$10,000 in lens sales. Which is why they’re interested in full frame mirror-less.
I’m not underestimate Canon, I’m just looking at what happen with the Eos M.
I don’t get the “when Canon and Nikon wil be SERIOUS in mirroless” moto. Do you really believe that they both invest millions in R&D and production to release those 2 systems just for fun. It was their serious attempt to enter the mirrorless market, they just failed because they didn’t understand this particular market. When you see here how difficult it is for E & A camp to understand the needs of each other it’s easy to see why Canikon didn’t get it either.
Let’s hope that they both learned (Their interview doesn’t sound to reassuring though) and will be able to bring a real competition to Sony to push thing forward.
I don’t think Canon’s mirrorless APS-C was as serious as you do. Too many Canon fans have complained it was crippled (e.g., poor AF) not to cannibalize DSLRs. Nikon is definitely serious with their Nikon 1 system and has invested heavily into R&D. Their Nikon 1 AF system is very good, for example. However, obviously, they have the same issue of not wanting to cannibalize DSLRs until they have a better upgrade/migration path than Sony’s approach.
your analyzis is based on the asumption that Sony will drop A-mount because of E-mount and that Canikon are holding their efforts in mirrorless segment until they find a softer way to do same with their own customer base.
But what if Sony heavily invest in E-mount because they’ve understand before Canikon that they need BOTH systems to sustain a sufficient customers base to make their imaging division a viable business.
They put on hold A-mount and focus on E-mount for the moment to create a gap significant enough to keep their advantages when the big boys will enter the game and will resume to a normal development for both system after that, just be patient.
Also keep in mind that E-mount have an Pro video line which is a core and important business for Sony and that’s why the investment seem so important in the E-mount front (read the thread about Fs7 or the 28-135 and all the A-mount users who ccomplaint about an another E-mount development when it as nothing to do with photo).
This is what could be the most closest to the truth from all the posts here.
I agree. Any camera manufacturer that doesn’t maintain a significant presence in both the SLR, and CSC market is setting itself up for failure.
Mirror-less isn’t a SLR replacement by anymeans, however that doesn’t preclude it from taking a sizeable chunk of the SLR’s market.
The chunk mirror-less is going to take is probably the amateur segment, filled with people looking for a family camera that are step above a point and shoot camera. This also happens to be the largest.
Not everyone needs a huge SLR, they’re a tool designed for advanced armatures, semi-pro, and professionals.
In the future the D7000, A77II, and 7DMKII will likely be the entry models.
Well people said “when Canon does enter the mirrorless market, it will be game over Sony”… 2 years after introduction they haven’t made a dent. Now the saying is “when Canon does a SERIOUS mirrorless camera system, it will be game over Sony”. Same story. Then it will be “when Canon make a REALLY SERIOUS mirrorless, it will be game over Sony”…
Thing is, Canon aren’t very good at live view cameras period. Ok more I mean larger sensor ones, their ‘latest and greatest’ G1X is great on spec, but a pretty poor camera. Was that not ‘serious’? Were they just doing it for the fun of it?
When Canon comes up with a camera that BESTS Sony, then they might start to make a dent, but I will believe it when I see it.
It’s a pretty easy upgrade really pull the OVF, mirror, and a semi-transparent mirror, and EVF. Then you get the best hight professional camera solution for the 21st Century.
Canon used to called them EOS-RT, and Sony just calls them Alphas.
But those lenses must be available then, othterwise they go to an other brand or to the DSLR and the mirrorless will die again a silent death, just like the EOS-M
A7 irrelevant overnight? hhhmmm… if that so,
thats why they keep A8 and A9 number for that
Are you talking about the original photorumors post? Did you see the update the link to the source?
The Google translated version of the Canon interview was kind of garbled. But I saw “smaller mount” mentioned a few times in reference to mirrorless. Crazy as it sounds I got the impression Canon ignored everyone except Nikon and decided since the Nikon 1 is selling better than the Canon M they needed a smaller sensor. Nothing suggested they were considering FF.
How could Canon expect to sell a mirrorless camera with interchangeable lenses without an EVF?
Canon are not idiots. If they make a new mount, they will make sure they can sell all the lenses once again. This is a strategic decision. Camera bodies are less profit than lenses.
They will of course offer an EF adapter in the same way as Sony did, but most people will only consider it as a temporary solution before switching to native glass.
There will be a significant difference that Barry keeps talking about.
Sony adapters lack IBIS, meanwhile Canon has in-lens stabilization. So EF/mirrorless will be more compatible.
The big difference is that Sony allready has a good name in the
mirrorless market and Canon Nikon has a bad reputation there (in DSLRs
it is more the other way around) Don’t forget people forget realy good
things fast, but bad things last forever…
But the main queston is: will their cameras be more attractive? Or will the Sony cameras be? It is very hard to make a very good mirrorless camera from scratch. Sony has now a couple of very good cameras (the A6000, the A7/r/s) the same goes for Samsung, Olympus and Panasonic.
And then, Sony has a complete range of mirrorless cameras that are fuly compatable, from the cheap A3000 up to the A7 series. Canon has now 1 mirrorless camera and it is old and sick. Nikon has only the 1 series that is not doing very well at all….
I think Canon is being conservative and is following Nikon’s path. Nikon dipped their toe into the mirrorless with the Nikon 1 1″ mirrorless bodies. It’s given them experience in developing a very good AF system while not cannibalizing their DSLRs. My reading of recent Nikon interviews is they’re working on APS-C and/or FF mirrorless bodies which will offer the sort of high-performance their DSLR owners expect with both native and legacy glass. Right now their FT1 adapter, for example, only support single-point focus and has hunting issues.
I’m a bit surprised Canon is pondering M43s given they started an APS-C mirrorless system. I get the impression the APS-C mirrorless was a half-hearted effort because they feared cannibalizing their cash cow DSLRs and cheesing off their bread and butter owners like Sony is doing with a-mount.
It’ll be interesting to see which manufacturer, Canon or Nikon, will come out first with a serious mirrorless body akin to Sony’s e-mount. I think Nikon is a step ahead of Canon down that path but both are so conservative and maintaining compatibility with legacy systems isn’t an easy problem to solve or it’d been done years ago by Canikon and Sony.
The EOS-M was 2 years behind. The G7x is also the same. So we can expect a Canon FF mirrorless similar to the A7 in the last quarter of 2015. 😀
Sadly, if Canon and Nikon do mirrorless right it’ll be good enough, IMHO, to catapult them to 1 and 2 respectively in mirrorless. I doubt we’ll see a mirrorless offering from either in 2015 based on their weak tea endorsements they’re merely studying the issue. However, I think the pressure is great enough they can’t wait past 2016.
Greater erosion of their marketshare will eventually get them off the fence and into the mirrorless game.
Well to do it right they have to start with a big number of lenses, something no camera brand ever did when launching a new system.
When the camera is a Conikon copy of the A7 series then People who want that kind of camera go to Sony as they get the camera with the larger amount of lenses and they can use all those nice Canon, Nikon , Pentax, Minolta, etc. too. Canon and Nikon are in big trouble when their cameras are not a lot more attractrive then the Sony cameras…
They are very late to the party.
Wouldn’t it be funny if Canon made this new mount with a flange distance so short that it could use all Sony E mount lenses with 3rd party adapters?
I know many Canon using professionals owning an A7R/S as second camera. Most of them are using Metabones EF-E adapters.
Meaning that the main target group are not thinking about native lenses in the first place (of course native mount is more attractive due to lense size).
So Canon would definetly need a FF mirrorless series competing with the A7x.
Sony needs to address the issues with the A7R – EFC and AF performance.
If they fail with that, and Canon would come up with an attractive and for sure capable competitor, they would seriously harm their sales on that.
By the time Canon has anything on the market, Sony will be 3/4 of the way to the next generation and Canon will be behind in development again.
Actually your right, Sony will be on its way making more bodies (A7v, A7z, A7q) and they’ll forget about building the lenses we need.
But lenses are what sell systems, and no one is better, at building an entire system than Canon.
Seriously, a year after its launch and Sony is still missing critical lenses like a 85mm f/1.8 or 20mm.
They are aware of their weakness.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0661793352/photokina-2014-sony-interview-we-still-need-to-create-more-lenses
That argument gets more stupid with every lens release….Did you miss photokina???
Photokina was garbage this year. Didn’t see anything worth buying, just some crappy f/4 lenses, and a couple of manual Zeiss.
At IBC Sony launched the only e-mount product worth purchasing to date, which is the PXW-FS7, and the PZ 28-135mm of course. We already are debating how many we need. I figure we can buy two in order to free up our only F55 for other projects.
Maybe Sony will launch something decent for photographers in January. Full sized for those of us who don’t have feminine hands, shoots over 12fps, and has a huge Fn sensor.
It’ll look great on the SAL500F40 that we’ve given the green light to purchase by the end of the fiscal year.
Maybe I’ll be more interested in mirror-less after I retire. It’ll only make sense then.
Until then I’m really interested in Alpha or Maxxum G-Series lenses, and the large SLR (yes I use film), and SLT needed to operate them.
From Sony launches point of view I agree that PK14 was boring…
Sounds that you look at it from another pov, but what did you expect from consumer oriented products?
The problem is that PK14 would have been the ideal location to launch the replacement for Sony’s only professional camera (A99).
I was also expecting a 400mm f/4 so that I’d be able to finally be able to ebay our oldest minolta lens (400mm f/4.5).
Now I have to wait until January.
True, but new lenses are comming, and they are comming fast. Canon can’t do magic (unless they hired Harry Potter) and Sony will have a lot of lenses available when Canon is just starting with their new mount.
And yes we have seen how good Canon is with building a system with the EOS-M. The lenses they build do realy cover all that a serious photographer needs, doesn’t it?
That’s pretty hilarious considering it took the almighty Canon 5 years to make 85/1.8 and 20mm lenses for EF mount…
How many lenses do you expect for a new system after only 12 months?
Get real. After a year Sony have done really well. How many native lenses do you think Canon will have at launch for their new mount? They need time to develop the glass. It’s not like you design one and then copy and paste various pieces together to design the next one. Each lens must be designed from scratch due to the short flange distance that creates crazy input angles for the light hitting the sensor.
Agree, that no one has more lenses than Canon.
But with their market share and sales – is that really something outstanding?
What I like very much with Canon is, that they keep their assortment up to date at least for the important ones.
But again, if I’d be a (semi-)pro Canonian I would expect nothing less.
This EOS-M crap was just a useless attempt to grab something of the ML market. This was already 2 gen behind Sony’s NEX at the time of its release.
Useless attempt because they totally misinterpreted the market. For new buyers it was to unattractive, for existing customer base it offered to less.
Now, as I mentioned in my post above, they understood the ML message, and I am pretty sure they did because there was no EOS-MII and they did not come up with a half-baked semi-pro system.
I am sure they’ll come up with a spectacularly system analog Sony’s A7 at the time of its release.
So, IF So y fails to address issues and IF Canon releases a worthy competitor, then this MIGHT be a problem for Sony. And, to support that hypothesis, you assume that they understood the message from the EOS-M and that they will be able to come up with a spectacular brand new system faster than Sony, which is currently the fastest growing mirrorless system to date.
I really hope you are right, the more cameras the better, but reality is against you here.
The past is against me I agree.
It is the summary of many little facts and me puzzle out what it could be.
Canon failed to compete with NEX, they left (although rumored very much) Sony developing the A7 series, and misinterpreted the market chance of it.
As a professional management trainer I won’t believe that the board of directors at Canon would accept another market drop due to misinterpretion of competitors activities. So I am pretty sure that at least the budgets for R&D have been confirmed and that high expectations will be behind.
What the guys are doing in their secret labs needs to be spectacular, otherwise some well paid managers are targeted…
I am sure they will come up with something, maybe even they have been diverting resources all this time to some new project, hence the lack of innovation on their part, comparatively speaking, but the chances are that it will be a good entry on par with other brands, but not necessarily better. Again, I hope I am wrong and they introduce something stunning.
I didn’t say they will be better than the Sony A7’s.
Agree with you that they’ll be max. on par, but from Canon World’s Eyes it would be very spectacular, don’t you think?
Agreed. Let’s hope it is spectacular for everyone though.
if canon release worthy competitor, sony will fight back.
after 5 years waiting 7d ii they only have a fake 60p they really looks like 720p upscaling
Do you really think people are buying the 7Dii only because of 60p?
Rubish ……sorrie Admin .The 5 year replacment for 7DII has a 20mp sensor some say its 3 years out of date .If Cannon hace a sensor woth talking about .Thy got it from sony
Some sensors are not bad at all. The Canon 6D sensor, for example, has lower DR at lower ISO, but performs great at higher ISO (>1600, see DXO-mark measurements, or http://www.sensorgen.info), better than the A7r/A7 sensor. Many astrophotographers are using the 6D for that reason. A7s is different, but a 12mp 6d sensor would certainly be not bad, too.
Idiots will buy it. You really don’t have much of a choice when you heavily invested in Canon glass. Been there done that, and bought an Alpha.
That comment is a little over the top, don’t you think?
Its true. I originally had the same problem when I was heavily invested in Canon film cameras, and one day I just got fed up with Canon, and bought the A900, Zeiss 24-70, and the 70-200.
Canon first has to bring their sensor tech into the 2010’s…
True, but for the majority of users, Canon sensor tech is just fine. It’s just that a select group of enthusiast and pro photographers know that Sony (thus Nikon) sensor tech is better.
Canon: Better overall lenses, best lens range
Sony: Better sensors for stills, can use Canon lenses
Nikon: Compromises
So it’s not knowledge that necessarily drives people to Nikon.
Let’s just wait and see what Cannon and Nikon brings to the table…..all talk and no action is pointless!!
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and lets enjoyed A7 while waiting
Look, Canon is behind but they’ve reinvented themselves before. The birth of the EOS system was a complete 180 degree reaction to Minolta’s 7000 and 9000. It literally existed to compete head on with A mount. By the mid 90’s Canon was wiping the floor with Minolta with more lenses, accessories and by 95 released their first lens with image stabilization. My point is, they’ve gone back to the drawing board before and created an entirely new system- they could do it again. I think it’s just a matter of timing and I believe it was in 87- two years after the 7000…so, if history repeats itself we would see an all new Canon system introduced at the end of next year.
True, but this is one lone example in a different time. They also alienated many of their own users. A more current example is their APS-C mirrorless.
They still continued to make lenses for FD and made adapters to put them on EF even after EF was introduced. The FD-EF incompatibility was likely enforced just to stop moronic users from breaking their cameras. Nikon offers mechanical compatibility but they have the silliest reasons to not make all lenses work on all bodies. Leica also went from the tread mount to the M bayonet at one point. The EF mount is the most advanced 35mm slr mount to date. Even Nikon and Sony A are generally behind in terms of what the EF mount can do.
When Sony loses majority customers to Canon, they’ll be left with the Minolta legacy users that got them started years ago. Perhaps we’ll get some attention then, and another new hot shoe.
Sony’s market share has been either stable or have grown since 2006. Canon’s entry in the FF mirrorless is most welcome, but given the way they tend to approach things, I don’t expect miracles. Nothing special on the DSLR front for many years now, the great G compact series have been diluted into two lines of mediocre cameras, their APS-C mirrorless entry has been too hesitant. I hope they surprise us though.
We here are mirrorless converts or ibis converts… naturally people here don’t find anything interesting in anything that doesn’t have those features. The reality is native compatibility matters to others just as much as E mount users whine about native lenses although they have endless options. So, Canon does have lenses that make things far more interesting Sony.
canon near future mean 5 years in our time
but its canon, the most reliable system iv known, they have smart long planned strategy, the will poduce a big wave, one big strong fundamental sensor tech and they’ll producing it over and over for the next 7 years.
Gosh …. admin you are so deluded. Who is competing with who?
The question is: will it be EF-M mounting hardware with a full frame sensor or will canon change the mount and screw over EF-M lens owners who apparently will not have new camera body choices?