Canon just announced the camera that will be THE direct competitor of the upcoming A99 SLT camera. A camera news coverage is available via my friend Frank from CanonWatch (Click here). Preorders with price and specs info are available at Amazon (Click here).
At first glance I have to say I am surprised to see so little innovation inside the markIII. I mean, there are many small improvements and some more major improvements (like the new AF system). But I think the Nikon D800 (and D800E) did more.
I bet the A99 will be cheaper than the 5D, have a faster AF in video and be on par in terms of RAW image quality. But what in your opinion should Sony “copy” from the new Canon 5DmarkIII?
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Already had 1dm3.
Not really interested in new Canon body.
Even I use my a55 more than 1dm3.
They should copy the 9 frame multi-exposure (sony currently do 6) and extend ISO upto 100k like the canon. Still, built in IS and an articulated LCD screen are Sony winners. Now if only Sony would also release an E-mount camera with IS so we could mount Alpha lenses via adaptor + night vision and power zoom, I would be in heaven.
Agreed on that articulated LCD screen, thats really great feature. Absolutely no idea why every current dSLR doesnt have one..
Well, So much for the XQD cards going mainstream. 🙁
Maybe 4 years later? D900 and Mark 4?
Sony has to do something. Summer is my most busy time for shooting photo. Not Sept or Oct.
Summer is after Sep/Oct for some of us on here
There are a lot more people north of the equator.
Summer is just about everyday for me 🙂
Everyday is Saturday for me
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+1 for more innovation on the Nikon side. I’m unhappy that the 5DmkIII has no clean HDMI video out. If it had clean HDMI it could have forced Sony to offer the same 🙁
Btw.: Anyone knowing a good way to send the Sony Imaging devision or how they’re called some direct feedback/firmware feature hints?
they have an official group on flickr, you could drop a few suggestions there but I wouldn’t pin your hopes on having a 1 to 1 with a Sony technician.
It is not the badest thing. I can hold new Sony Cameras in my hand for month before I go out and shoot with it.
“my precious” my ring, hm… my slt 😉
Silent mode shooting..
This is not a new feature. I had it on my 40D. and its slow as fuck.
Other than adding a headphone jack and an audio meter, they really did nothing for those who love using the 5D for video. I guess their answer is to buy the C300 for video.
Still no 60p in 1080p, no focus peaking, no clean HDMI out…
The only real surprise is the price. I hope Sony doesn’t go copying that aspect of it.
Personally, I think 41 AF points is a bit ridiculous. If I needed that finer control I’d use MF.
For A99, I’d like to see an intervalometer and/or programmable bulb function. And of course, the A77 functions that are Jpeg only (HDR, pano, teleconvert) should be available for RAW.
Also, how about built in filters? Can’t they simulate ND by reducing the sensor sensitivity for example?
On top of that I want tethering and more lenses.
RAW means to take the images directly from the Sensor and process it later. HDR, panorama and such stuff are processes which have to be done in after processing RAW images. And you can shoot RAW HDR, it’s called bracketting.
Teleconvert -> cropping
Panorama -> stitching
HDR -> bracketing/sliders in post (the former is the only “real” acceptable HDR)
I appreciate what you say but I just think they could have these features without adding the hideous JPEG artefacts.
As for the teleconverter, it’s much easier to manually focus when your subject is twice the size. A lot harder when you rely on cropping the image 12 hours later.
I wish they would let us shoot in jpg+raw with the effects (in the jpg), so that if the jpg-effect didn’t quite meet your expectation, you could go back to the raw and try to recreate the effect in PhotoShop with a bit more controll.
oic.
I could have swore that there was a manual-focus-aide which ballooned up the image and you could shoot in RAW (and crop later), but I could be wrong
+1
61 AF points would be for tracking subjects when shooting sports. With the 11 points on my a580, I pretty much have to select one and keep it on the subject, limiting my freedom to compose (I just crop later).
With 61 AF points and a good enough processor, you can focus track a subject as it moves across the frame. Nikon and Canon have 39, 45, 51, and 61 point AF systems for a reason – they’re awesome for tracking action.
+1
You do not have time to lock a football player in and track him with this system though. I just stick with center point and crop later.
I do the same with my a580 (center point + crop later), but if the AF system can reliably follow a player (as Nikon/Canon’s systems apparently can), you get a lot more flexibility in terms of composition. With the 38/45/51/61 point systems, a subject is also less likely to end up between two AF points.
From what I’ve heard with the Nikon system (3D color based tracking), you just put an AF point on the subject, and it’ll track the subject around the AF array as long as you half press the shutter. That means you can acquire the subject just as fast (compared to just using the center point).
Cropping is fine, but it loses resolution and exposes lens flaws, and your ability to crop is often limited at very high ISOs (like 12800).
I usually have not trouble with cropping and resolution. I use the a900 and a 300mm f2.8 lens. It will only go to ISO 6400 which I rarely use unless the lighting on the field I am at is just horrible. I am usually using ISO 4000 and I get great results even when cropping. The only exception being is if my subject is really far down field.
I hope that new A77 firmware will let jpeg function availables to RAW also 😉
41 AF points are not ridiculous if you are tracking fast-moving subjects and using Continuous focus- especially if say you are the least bit creative and want to photograph the runner/car/fighter jet NOT just in the center of the frame. In those instances, having a lot more focus assist points is very useful. Its not ridiculous.
You can be creative with cropping as well. It is called creative cropping. hahaha
You prolly thought the first 1gig hard drive in a computer was overkill too!
$3500 for this…. In my opinion. It costs too much for too little of an improvement over the MK2. This is what the MK2 should have been. Nikon just became a whole lot more attractive for a lot of people.
Come on Sony. Sack up and come play with the big-guns. Where is my Sony FF!
The cards are in your hands now Sony, show me what you have.
In terms of IQ, I’m tempted to agree.
However, the MK III addresses a major criticism of the MK II (the AF system) while offering a range of other improvements, like a higher framerate. That makes it much more suitable for sports shooting, and allows it to compete with the D700 in that area.
For sports shooting, I doubt that the D800 looks more attractive than the 5D Mark III.
5D Mark III and Nikon D800 both have very superior AF system. This is what Sony would need to play catching up.
Don’t forget lenses
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Have you not used the A77? The AF is super fast especially with SSM lenses. If A99 has similar or better performance, it will hand Canon or Nikon a beating in the arse.
not necessarily Nikon, their focus isn’t shabby at all. Canon however, will be rightfully spanked. Even by the A77 as far as focusing is concerned.
keep on dreaming my friend…d800 and 5dmkIII are pure slt-killers with OVF.. btw, they aren´t even slt kilers, because they are in a league of their own, byebye sony, welcome canon! just jumped sony ship.. luckily i already sold most of my lenses when the first slt came out, but i kept my 70-200-g 2.8 and my tokina 28-75mm 2.8, just for the sake of it.. now it is time to say goodbye.. i walk away and won´t look back..
Great, look forward to a better photographer acquiring your equipment.
Sell me your 70-200G.
@alex
what makes you think A99 will be any worse than the D800 or 5dmk3? Inferior complex? OVF isn’t necessarily a better option than EVF. Certain applications of EVF is preferable. I love you Canon and Nikon trolls. I feel sorry for your stupidity.
I guess you are one of those who just yaps about the SLT EVF but never used one in a real shooting scenario. I have a couple of friends using Canon 5D mark ii’s but when we went on a photo trip, they were quite amazed at what the A77 can do. You tell me how many times your OVF doesn’t even match what you comes into your sensor? Either shadows are clipped or light is over-exposed. Guess what your eyes see it and your sensor doesn’t. EVF is WYSIWYG.
I don’t doubt Canon has some really nice full frame cameras, but all I hear is alot of bullshit regarding spending money unwisely but nothing to back up your statements with real by-products of cameras, the photos. Buddy, please show me some of your photos why Canon is superior. If you can’t, you are making yourself look bad. Does it matter even what you shoot with? Maybe my 5 yr old niece with a toy camera can shoot better photos than you. Who knows…
I don’t always shoot photos, but when I do, I don’t complain like a c*nt about my equipment. Stay shooting my friends!
Look like Sony a99 has a big chance to beat the big boy. The price is high, lack of in body IS sucks, frame rate sucks ( i got used to Sony’s numbers), not very innovative either. Sony has to match it in terms of ISO performance, this could be a deal breaker for many.
I agree. Sony need to announce something mind-blowing QUICK! Heck, something that can match up to the MKIII at a lower price and they’re set.
Check this out
So what do you think of the specs of EOS 5D Mark III? If this is the competitor of A99, no contest…
A99 rumor specs
Translucent mirror
36.9 Megapixel 3MOS Exmor sensor
(No Bayer filter)
ISO 100-102400 extendable to 204800 and 409600
12 frames per second
No infrared or anti-alias filters
Digital infrared filtering with three modes NO IR,WITH IR,ONLY IR
In camera moire remove
89 cross-type points AF
Metering direct from sensor
60/1-1/24000sec, time, bulb shutter (focal plane)
Flash synchronization up to 1/500sec and high-speed sync up to 1/24000sec
Built-In GPS and Wi-Fi plus Thunderbolt
Two CompactFlash card slots
5D Mark III
22.3 Megapixel full-frame sensor
61-point autofocus
Up to 6fps continuous shooting
Native ISO 100-25,600 sensitivity
Full HD video with manual control
14-bit DIGIC 5+ processor
Enhanced Weather sealing
8.11cm (3.2-inch) 1,040,000-dot screen
HDR mode with presets
ROFL
As if those specs are remotely possible!
36mp with 12fps and ISO409,600
You have GOT to be kidding.
The FPS if possible.. 12fps@36mp for 1/2 seconds! Hahahaha.. but, it’s still 12 fps, isn’t it? 😉
One of the more interesting features of this cam is the transparent overlay LCD in the viewfinder. You get a spirit level and informational display overlaid on the optical view, much like Fuji’s hybrid viewfinder (only without the parallax issues). And you can toggle it on and off. Plus it’s a 100% viewfinder.
Considering how many people on here complain about the EVF in the SLTs, this is an interesting option. Not that Sony would ever go down this route instead of EVF, but it does give Canon a little more useful viewfinder than before without compromising what people like about the optical path. It’s a good, measured approach (typical of Canon).
Personally, I don’t really have a problem with the EVF, though. I rented an A77 and felt the viewfinder was totally usable and had a lot of advantages over OVFs, with only a few compromises. It’s a “jumping in with both feet” approach (typical of Sony).
What have that to do with Sony rumors ??
Who care about a 5D ?
Thought this was SONY Rumors … ??? 😡
Ditto.
Sony, Canon and Nikon are watching each other and paying close attention to what the others offer. If you are interested in what features Sony might add in the future, so should you.
“So little innovation inside”? Because they focus on image quality, not on gadgets! I hope, Sony will understand what is important and they will create a model with good image quality (no matter of ISO speed) and delete element damaging image (translucent mirror). Gadgets are marginal, clear image is primary!
Problem with SLT mirror? Remove it.
I for one am quite interested in the EVF and the hopefully lower FF price point that can be achieved with it.
I’m agree with You. That’s why I am hoping on Sony mirrorless model with FF sensor, A-mount and without mirror (just like NEX). No barriers on light road as translucent mirror, clear and good image, simple and cheap construction. I can’t wait that model 🙂
The main function of the translucent mirror is for phase-detection AF. You can remove it but you will have to count on contrast-detection AF which is many times slower. For those who used a NEX, basically it’s using the LA-EA1 adapter. Although it allows focusing, the AF speed becomes dog slow.
If optical path blockage is a concern, Sony have a couple of options. One is to build the translucent mirror like an SLR mirror. Make it be able to flap up in photo mode only. The second option is to give user the ability to physically remove the mirror and if that’s the case, let the camera fall back to CDAF and the user will have to compromise with slower AF speeds.
I pull focus a lot more then use AF, I guess that’s why I was so intent on it being out of the way.
You have right. Cost of this solution is lower AF speed. I don’t need fast AF, I like old Minolta lenses in which AF i slow too 🙂
I saw Lumix users opinions and they claimed AF is fast in new G/GF/GH models.
Also I heard about Nikon project of phase-detection AF included in sensor. Between pixels are points of AF. Maybe this is a good solution, next step of deleting mirror from advanced cameras?
+1 Glad to see Canon finally focus on IQ and high ISO not chasing megapixels. Sony must be careful not to continue chasing the megapixels – serious amateurs now agree with pro-views: more megapixels can hurt the Image!
$3,400? Ridiculous – like the band on the titanic charging money for a last dance while everyone grabs mirror less innovations! The fuji matches the 5DII IQ for half the price of the 5DIII.
The Fuji is a completely different camera. Its not as if anyone needing something like the 5dMkIII would say “oh well I’ll just get this Fuji instead.” Bit of an irrelevant comparison.
What a good, if leading, question!
So, what should Sony copy? A bunch of little things, such as:
– Ability to save RAWs for each shot in the HDR / HHT modes;
– Focus system capabilities (if they want to emphasize high frame rates, they need a focusing system that can keep up);
– Availability of Auto ISO in Manual exposure mode;
– Configuration of Auto ISO settings (for example, minimum shutter speed);
– Adjustable audio gain;
– Dual card slots: CF (or XQD) and SD, *configurable* so you can tell the camera what to save where;
– Flexible exposure bracketing – heck, just copy the Maxxum 7’s (7 exposures in up to 1-stop increments);
– High-sensitivity image quality (since everyone seems to be so concerned about it);
– Definitely NOT the melted-looking styling (which it seems they’ve already copied)…
– Probably some other features we’ll learn about when the review sites can play with the camera for longer.
(I’d add to that “a nice, bright, near-100%-coverage pentaprism finder,” but we can all agree that’s not going to happen any time soon.)
By the way, you don’t say in which camera Sony should copy these features. I’d’ve liked to see all of them in the A77. Oh, well.
Thanks for asking!
Now I’ve read this, I’m so glad I pre ordered Nikon D800 at the right time, there’s no Sony FF on the horizon, Canon is doing the same but charging more (M3 is just an excuse to say they’re up to date). I still like Sony but let’s face it, with a year to go plus delays, it’s gonna be ’til the end of 2013 to have your Sony FF. That’s to much waiting for me. Sony is thinking first about PS4, Green or Yellow Ray and 20 more tablets. However, I’m keeping my A55 (wonderful little camera) and all the stuff and leave it for backup.
Sony will announce a99 in September. D800 looks like a better deal compared to 5D. Still hoping a99 will rock though.
My money is on Sept also.
I’m really hoping that Sony catch up on AF and general Pro features. Bracketing definately needs addressing.
If Sony really aims for september they’d better produce some heavy artillery because Nikon and Canon are *again* way ahead in time and as a lot of freaks want to show off and race to the stores, the sales will ‘convince’ more patient buyers that Sony just is not capable of matching the market. Like matching the market dictates quality. If sony sets to blow the competition aside for at least some time then i’m more than willing to pay the 5DMIII price. Given the fact that Sony doesn’t rush to market and their early experience with the A77 firmware grows my confidence that the A99 will be that heavy artillery.
The A900 came out before the 5Dmk2 and D3X, so I don’t think that’s accurate. It’s nothing like Minolta being five years late with their first APS DSLR.
Canon has been BEHIND not ahead for many years now.
In marketshare they have been ahead. Only area Canon need to work on are the sensors they produce- Sony has them there for sure.
Canon is reliable enough to bounce back and fight as they always have and do though.
I’m sure they will be fine.
It’s Sony that has the most ground to gain. Nikon and Canon sit nicely where they are.
Sony sell a lot of p/s cameras, thats about all they are good for.
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what is the sony connection?… first we have month’s of evf and slt bashing, which is obviously the way sony decided to go and now canon shows up here.. next we’ll see the fuji news over here too 😉
i’d prefer to see more stuff done with sony cams or related to them..
i am glad sony does go its own way and innovates, even if it sometimes takes a bit to get used to..
??? You see a new Canon FF camera every 3 months. I think it’s worthy to mention it here as this is the camera SOny has to compete with. Or should we live in our own world and ignore the rest?
+1 i like admin, he has certainly € and no $ roots, right ? 😉 one has to consider the competition if you want to improve yourself. For a pro this Canon is far more interesting news than 1000 new toys à la NEX, bridges and compacts from Sony !
For sure. Aggressive competitor deserves news on other blogs. This makes us Sony guys know what to ask for for the new cameras. And hopefully Sony will deliver with some positive surprises.
I think it’s a great to get perspectives of the competition.
well, if there was no other way to see news about canon or any other relevant camera makers new toys i’d totally agree.. and yes its good to look at competition but: the net is flooded with canon news and other cam makers news, so anyone wanting to look at the competition can easily do so.. ahh nevermind, perhaps i’m just fed up with all the sony bashing lately, which is not the admins fault at all.
Back in 2007/2008 Sony was neck and neck in the race. March 8 2007 we saw A900 prototype and 2008, A900 was announced at the same time as 5D Mark 2.
I miss that old Sony Alpha.
Comparison with photo features. A900 compared quite well with 5D mark ii but what made the 5D mark ii special was the video features. I think A99 will give 5D mark iii a serious run in the video features this time and trying to stay on par with photos.
Love my A77. I bought A77 mainly for video features and it’s miles ahead of the competition. Even my hacked GH1 and GH2 is starting to collect dust. Now instead of having an A200 for photos and GH1/2 for video, I can use 1 camera on trips.
What a total rip off! 5D mk2 is about £1700 in the UK and they want to nearly double it for this?! Total joke… (some fanboys will pay it though, chumps!)
The 5D mkII is still a fair amount cheaper than the older and arguably lower spec’ed A900 so its unlikely we will see anything much cheaper in the A9X.
Lower specced in what? Durability and viewfinder size? Resolution? FPS? In-body image stabilization? Dual card slots? And looking at BHphoto and ebay they are exactly the same price.
Cheaper? huh? The new Canon is $3500 USD!!!! The a900 sold and still sells for $2700 USD!!!
what a dufus kiwi! comparing 2007 model to 2012 model? he said mark2, and he is right. the mark2 even now has price drop
what the hell are on about- 5dmkii and a900 sold for exact same price. Both had tradeoffs- I switched from mkii to a850 for many reasons. The a850 was an a900 with 3fps and 98% vf for 2K…
The A900 is actually cheaper if you shop around, but it is a discontinued model now.
Now I made me decission to Leave Sony FF. Since a Long Time I do Not Trust Sony, anymore.
Congratulations to Canon and Nikon, you both offer with the 5D MIII and D800 wonderfull professional equipment. Now, I have to decide if I go with Nikon or Canon.
I am so sick Reading the endless and useless Fight of Admin Andrea against all the competitioners of Sony! It is Not in a way honoust!
Any good lens you’re selling?
Yeah, I’d buy some Zeiss glass from you for cheap/
tell it what you want, but I stood with Sony because of a few Minolta lenses. These were good but now old tec (no SSM) and the bodies and prices were ok (compared to the competition) till A580, but after then I saw permanently toys coming from Sony and that with fast increasing prices, so now I have to spend as much for Sony equipment as for Canon or Nikon, without their service quality. Sorry Sony, but I don’t pay Benz or Volvo prices for a Hyundai anymore…
If I can afford the switch next year, I’m jumping ship to the 5D mkIII. I’m tired of waiting for Sony to release something interesting (no A77 didn’t do anything for me). I’m also tired of Sony not putting it’s money towards their main weakness, clean high ISO images. Also, I don’t need 12fps. 6fps is more than enough for me. I also don’t want to have a mirror in the way of the sensor, affecting the images. That means constant mirror cleaning. Sorry to say it but that’s the truth.
+1 for clean high ISO. I shoot sports and don’t need a bazillion images per second. I know when to press the shutter. I want clean images!
If I were you I would go with Nikon over Canon.
If you wanted clean ISO images, you shouldn’t have got the A700 in the first place. At 12mpix the A77 performs better than the A700 too.
Fair enough, but buying into a system is that – unless you have money to burn on good lenses it doesn’t make much sense to jump ship because you don’t like the latest body. The whole evf/OVF thing is overblown anyway. I own a x100 as my carry everywhere camera. It’s essentially an a700 with a nicer jpeg engine. People rave about the ovf there, but oftentimes you have to switch to evf to compose (because, unsurprisingly enough, it gives a better reflection of the final output). Point is that OVF is nicer to look at, but evf is actually more accurate. That certainly holds true for APS C.
To high ISO, fine, but actually post processing RAW output makes you think camera bodies are much of a muchness anyway. I’m sticking with my a900 until next year at least.
I think Sony shall look at the Olympus OM-D E-M5 instead and be inspired by that camera and “copy” some of its innovative solutions!
I have put together this on my Google+ page post:
“On the future of digital system cameras development”
https://plus.google.com/103162570939535906961/posts/J8sF94K6JXn
Like for example the Olympus features:
The 5-axis image stabilization system:
https://plus.google.com/103162570939535906961/posts/A81YUSZKpnv
and
“The camera’s clever ‘Live Bulb/Live Time’ modes give a preview of how the image will look during long exposure photography. In these modes, the display on the back of the camera (not the EVF) is updated up to 25 times at pre-decided intervals. In Live Bulb mode, the screen will update however often you’ve specified (every 0.5 sec, for example), and the exposure will continue for as long as you hold down the shutter button. Live Time is much the same but with the exposure starting with one button press and stopping with a second (allowing use with a remote release), again with a preview of how the exposure is coming along.”
Very cool features- I would love to see something like this on the new Sony.
OK…
D800 and now 5D3 with fast AF (like 1DX). This will be a (very) tough AF battle for Sony…
The a77 af is no slouch- If the a99 is an improvement, I’m not worried at all.
For what its worth the a850/900 af blow the 5dmkii out of the water. Nikon has very good af however.
Innovation, as others have said, isn’t always a requirement to some extent. Sony are pretty much forcing their EVF/SLT innovation upon us and I am relatively happy about that but it needs refining, not reinventing every 5 minutes, screw innovation, lets polish what we have. The reason why the D800 and the mkIII are so good is because their manufacturers are doing just that and have been so since digital was introduced.
Sony doesn’t even have a camera for sale in the category now so they have a hell of a space to fill. If you have a Canon/Nikon and you don’t like/cant afford the mkIII or the D800, you can buy something else, sadly we don’t have that luxury and I personally feel very controlled by Sony right now.
If Sony want my $2500+, they HAVE to supply something that’s at least comparable to what the same money can buy me in the opposition because at this end of the market, jumping ship becomes more of a reality, at least for me.
so true ! Sony frustrated us photographers to embrace new clients making video, maybe this is good for their business but I realize now that I stood to long with them waiting for old Minolta feelings to come back. Let’s jump off just before more money is wasted !
Sony hasn’t innovated a thing in a long time. They just copy and try to improve upon others ideas and bring them into a unique package. Facts of life.
That said, Canon gets the market they are after.
Obviously they do, or they wouldn’t keep selling so many DSLRS. I find their cameras uninspiring personally but I respect them for continually advancing the designs they have.
MKIII- What a SOLID DSLR. Improved everything. Viewfinder, AF, FPS, new sensor, better weather sealing, on and on. The cumulative effect is what makes it a great camera, compared to the A900- whoops.
Most Pro’s either haven’t heard of Sony or chuckle when you talk about them. The ones that have and use them are Pro’s that liked Minolta.
That’s all about to change. Give them only EVF- by by!
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Are you still here? Why is that?
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What is your reason for being here,to watch for any constructive criticism/ Sony comment and try to discredit that person?
No logic, all emotion. Add to the discussion or shut the pie hole, I really don’t care what you do.
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MCP its not as if you are offering anything constructive either. Only your own heavily biased opinionated remarks, usually aimed at offending people on this site.
And this end of line stuff, what is this? Its petty and unnecessary.
Again, another lie. Read all my comments bird brain. Oh wait I can’t reply like that because that means I’m not adding anything to the discussion which proves your point, your supposed to be able to take the last shot at me off topic and thats ok, right 🙂 got it.
My last message was right on topic, before this one, as many have been.
Educating means reading and learning before you open your mouth, try it.
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neither Canon nor Nikon innovate that much. They don’t have to because much of their stranglehold is based on dealer recommendation, not user experience.
The 5d Iii illustrates this perfectly,
5D mkIII doesn’t look very impressive, I think that if Sony can come up with with equal or better specs and reasonable price, a99 or what ever it’s called can sell very well.
At this point an A900 with video would be competitive when you think about it.
This doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade. The mk2 had some really nice high iso and awesome video. Unless they fixed the jello effect and even more usable high iso (which would be a feat) then I don’t see the point. The D800 is a much needed and awesome upgrade compared to the D700 but this just seems like a 5D m2.5…until we see some high iso comparisons for the pixel peepers.
it looks they have made minor adjustments that they felt were needed, apart from the interesting Canon made new wireless flash protocol.
Canon seems to take a different approach then Nikon, by not going for more pixels.
both Nikon and Canon put out more evolutionary models then Sony, maybe because they have a large client base that is rather conservative.
anyway, both the D800 and the Canon D5mkIII are more of the same (and a little bit better), but nothing revolutionary. both models are certainly nice camera’s, but not a innovative leap forward in image recording.
It is a full-frame canon 7D… 99% design of 7D. Maybe we have a full frame A77 this month 😀
Conservative is as conservative goes. It’s exactly what they needed for the most part.
As long as nobody could beat the reference (5d mk II) in terms of image quality there was no need to innovate. As Canon itself says it’s an improvement of the existing 5D Mk II. It’s like the iPhone 4s: barely one who owns a Mk II will buy a Mk III. But those who have a 7D or an original 5D maybe. And the really amazing feature of the Canon 5D Mk III is the processor an the capability of processing and saving about 1 GB of data, you produce in 3 seconds! Not waiting for minutes to save HDRs and RAWs like in my NEX – that’d be great. But yes: the price is too high. It’s a 100% more than the Mk II costs at the moment.
Amateur Photographer have compared the A77 to the 5D MKII and said that up to ISO 800 the A77 is better!
Its called the mkIII, in any terms it wouldn’t and shouldn’t be takend as meaning massive changes (or innovations) but minor updates and changes, which is exactly what canon are offering, the mkII needs an update due to its age and the quirks/bugs which are well documented. At the end of the day they are refining a fantastic product which is still used by many amateur and professional photographers/cinematographers. If you want a distinctly different product, you can look at the 1D range.
Sony on the other hand, at least as far as FF movie recording goes are way behind, they can’t just refine the A900, they HAVE to add video (sadly) and under their own intervention, HAVE to change the whole mechanic of how the image is recorded. As we have seen with the A77 and models prior to it, this isn’t without its own problems.
As far as what Sony should copy, its doubtful a 24mp SLT sensor can match a 22mp SLR sensor, so I am not expecting the same noise handling. As others have mentioned, the in body image stabilizer is something that Sony have over the opposition and something they should push. If they can offer a massively improved version of SSS, in some situations we wouldn’t need to rely on high ISO to guarantee a sharp capture.
Is it really that crucial that the image quality BEATS everything else? I think its kind of funny that there are members on this site that have an obsession with their brand BEATING the others, like it makes any fucking difference or overall matters at all when it comes down to making images. If the A99 improves IQ over the A850/A900, that in itself is GREAT. I could care less if it is better than the Mark III or D800, So long as it improves on the A900. Thats just me, and I shoot high isos all the time for events and ditched the Mark II for its bland color and shitty AF. I’m sticking with Sony because of preferred ergonomics, in-body IS, and I don’t care about having 3,000 lenses to pick from when I only use 4-5 (consequently covered in Sony’s range).
The only aspect of my camera that feels inferior to my partners’ D700/D3/D3X is the AF- the 850 is noticeably slower in this regard (unless you are on the center point) and I do hope that the A99 improves on this.
In an ideal world, the A99 would do everything the competition does, only faster, better and cheaper. The problem with that is, better to one person is worse to another and there are a multiple of different customers demanding different things so that will never happen. Sony, or any company will never satisfy everyone and if you look at dedicated Canon forums, there are a lot of customers disappointed with the mk3 and its swing to an even more movie based camera, among other things. To be honest, give me the mk3 with a Sony badge and maybe a slightly lower RRP and I will buy it.
Although, for me, a FF version of my A700 with improvements to AF, dynamic range and yes, noise would be my bread and butter, that’s not to say I don’t care if it trips over where the competition is already running. In order for me to have faith in Sony and the future of A mount, I want to see the A9X come out punching and at least leave a few bruises.
I seems like poor Canon cannot win. A lot of wedding togs I know recently switched to Nikon because of the D800/D4 and Canon’s crappy inaccurate AF system on the 5D II which I’m pretty sure Canon was aware of because now they’ve decided to include their flagship 1DX AF system on their lower class body (that may piss a few 1DX pre orderers off!!)
Togs then complained about Nikon’s decision to use 36 Megapixels which personally I think (particularly the D800E without AA filter) was genius, it really will give Medium Format quality images for a hell of a lot less money.
The reason the 5D II did so well in wedding circles was because it ticked most of the boxes, enough resolution, good high ISO, decent price…the AF was the big weak point and the durability, both things they seem to have really worked on.
Right the things keeping me with Sony:
The lovely Zeiss optics that really are in a class of their own (and I do love my 35mm Sonolta 1.4 too, maybe I got lucky but mine is razor sharp from 1.7) I hate the way Nikon lenses draw, I would consider Canon if I HAD to switch
In body Stabalisation as I only shoot fast primes (which are not stabalized in Canon and Nikon) that’s a big thing for me
Articulated LCD’s screens, while I shoot mostly with A850/A900 I love the feature on my A55, it gives brilliant options for over the head shots, and I can’t see Sony failing to adopt this on the A99.
The look…..There’s something about the printed output from the A850/A900 that is just so special and you have to use one regularly to know what I mean, I guess it just looks more filmic and less digital than Canon and Nikon and the colour rendition is sublime.
So there you have my personal reasons for sticking with Alpha for now.
Things I’d like to see in an A99..
24 Megapixels (IMO the perfect resolution for weddings, fine art, general portraiture)
High ISO score of at least 2500 (DXOMark metric), 24 megapixels with a D700 level of noise performance should be enough for large prints up to ISO 6400…more than enough for me.
Golden performance in the ISO 600-1600 mark, my most used ISO’s
An OVF DSLR option even if it comes as a later 36 Megapixel incarnation as Andrea has suggested
Articulating LCD, big chance for Sony to use their existing technology and get one up on their competitors here.
A combination of A77 (tried it and really like it) and A850 ergonomics, both have their pluses but I think Sony has yet to find the ultimate shape/layout…
SONY, DELIVER IT AND WE WILL STAY!!
ditto +1000. Look forward to the A99. I would love the A77 to screw the A850/900 and produce the perfect cam for me.
Nothing much new thing to like. If you like 5D mk 2, you will like this. Minor update.
ditto +1000
It seems to be a nice photo machine for press photographers: reliable, good service (though expensive), high quality pictures and video, exactly the way Canon and Nikon have been operating for ages. Still, I’m not a press photographer -I hereby proudly state I’m NOT a professional photographer-, I don’t need most of the professional qualities and unlike most professionals I do like innovation. Sony brings that. I’m enjoying my Nex as a digital back for a huge amount of lenses, including nice Minolta/Sony ones, but I could and would use a FF-digital back for even more fun 😉 And yes, FUN is what it’s all about for me…
Still, if I won a MkIII in a lottery, I would accept it gladly 😉
I think you underestimate how well the 5DM3 will sell. The only reason some people think the 5DM3 has so “little innovation” is because a lot of its new updates were previously announced in the 1DX (and pioneered by the 7D). But that doesn’t mean they aren’t what every 5DM2 owner has been dreaming of having.
You essentially have a 1DX, minus a few physical spec differences, with excellent high-ISO performance (new DiGiC5+ and only a minor megapixel increase), at almost half the price of the 1DX.
Compared to Sony; well, despite it being more innovative in a sense, a lot of features haven’t really been proven professionally (AF reliability, weather sealing, battery performance, etc). Plus Canon has outed at least 4 new lens updates (so far; rumor has it there are more to come this year), with one big update to their 24-70/2.8L workhorse. Sony has a few competitive Zeiss lenses, but so much of their lineup needs updating (to SSM), and many of the best lenses are older discontinued Minoltas.
Of course, there are a lot of people for whom the a99 would be more than enough, and with some extra bells and whistles and a substantially lower price tag, it’s certainly a better choice than the 5DM3. But in that sense, the 5DM3 really isn’t a direct competitor; Canon is really aiming the 5DM3 at professionals who have higher requirements. And to them, software gimmicks, unproven reliability, and an imaging company more focused on producing bodies than lenses won’t really cut it.
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A lot of understimating going on here, I’d call it organized downplaying of a superior product.
If Sony came out with a 5D MKIII with a Sony name badge on front, you’d see the exact opposite reaction.
Jealous whiney little sniveling wannabees.
Personally I’d want a D800 w/24mp, neither new FF camera will make me switch from what I’m using for FF now, but both ALMOST got me.
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What qualms do you have with the Sony’s AF reliability, weather sealing, and battery performance? I’m not “being a defensive Sony fan or astroturfer” as I’m sure MCP is dying to try and call me out on- I ask because I switched from the mark II for its ridiculously terrible AF for the quick center point on the A850/900, I’ve shot with it in the rain and at the beach with sand constantly blowing (haven’t you read the article on the dakar rally with the a900), and my batteries definitely outlast those of my Canon with direct feedback on the LCD.
People are bashing Canon for “so little innovation” because they are charging $800 more for what seems like less than $800 in gains, especially when you consider advancement in technology- I feel like what they are offering should be able to sell for $2700-$3000 and therefore actually compete with a D800 and become much more accessible from those who are thinking of upgrading their 5dmkiis.
Bear in mind the new 24-70L is $2300 and not stabilized. The Zeiss 24-70 2.8 is the only stabilized zoom of this kind in existence, and it is quite handy when I am shooting dim events.
Again qualms with weather-sealing? You and others consistently state that Sony needs to release weather-sealed revised lenses (that would be nice I admit)- but all the same, I Have NEVER had any issues with dust/moisture entering my lens or hindering their operation- have you? I have DROPPED my Sony A850 and zeiss in moist-sand during a wedding. Blew it off and kept shooting- the sand did not enter the barrel (I was zoomed to 70 when it fell), nothing got into the body, it was absolutely fine. Where is the dire need for weather seeling? Shooting in the Amazon are we?
Of COURSE the 5dmkIII is a direct competitor- it is FULL FRAME. It will have similar number of megapixels and similar features and build quality (magnesium alloy, moisture/dust resistance). Just because it isn’t the same price point doesn’t mean it won’t compete.
Will there ever be a small FF cam? The feature race should stop, let us take pictures with the cam that can be carried around all day.
You need to understand that people who buy full-frame cameras, also buy full-frame lenses. Usually nice ones with constant f/2.8 aperture. not shitty dt f2.8 glass. It needs to balance well and be able to support these lenses- and offer ergonomics for continuous use all day with direct access to all functions with physical controls- those controls need to go SOMEWHERE
OVF camera, No HDMI, No 60p recording, In-spite 22mp only 6FPS, no focus peaking, no articulating LCD. Heavier than Mk 2. Can anyone tell me why a FF mk 3 should cost over USD $1500 more than the aps-c A77? isnt it better to get the A77 and a 70-200 ssm lens.
I can tell you: OVF, ISO noise, DOF, better AF, buffer, service, stability, 4 years old proven technology inside body, strait line evolution -> customer confidence ! But you are right: both bodies are far too expensive, $1000 would be enough, it is after all just a picture tool and no rocket 😉
Better AF ? Guess you have missed all those complaints from Canon shooters.
Stability, yeah only 8 firmware updates for 7D so far.
Canon dropped the ball years ago.
@Archer66- “The Dingdong”
LOL Canon dropped the hammer years ago. Only Nikon can get close to Canon and we know they both will always dominate Sony. Doens’t matter what kind of trickery Sony come up with, you don’t earn marketshare with tricks!
As the rabbit says, “Trix are for kids!”
You and a few others here are all from the same mother, multiplicity-stupidity.
What childish propaganda “Canon dropped the ball years ago”, what an idiot you are.
You can talk like that if Sony ever own Canon at the DSLR level= which will be never as any intelligent person knows.
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MCP stop astroturfing and defending your poor Canon
you always jump on anyone praising Sony and nothing else 🙂
dumbass
“end of line” (SHIT THAT MAKES ME LOOK REALLY BADASS)
You can lose market share by not progressing and when other companies come up with better tech and better ways to do thing then the companies that fail to change are left in the dust. Perhaps Sony could do that and gain over Canon and Nikon. We will just have to see how things turn out.
Han Solo- start thinking for yourself and quit copying the thigns I’m saying, for a start (astroturfing and my tagline for example).
I’ve read some of what you said and you actually have some meat to discuss, unlike doofus Sony A77 or whatever.
And do some more reading you’ll discover that I said at least a couple of times that I don’t like Canon.
What you want to say is “why are you replying to some of the posts here?” and my answer would be “because I’m tired of seeing so much dishonesty and propaganda from what seems to be either A. Paid schills or astroturfers or B. pure pigheaded ignorance and filth” its time for balance!
People here (some of them) need to keep it real, not exaggerate, lie, and spread propaganda. There may actually be people who read that might want to learn something. Reading pro sony propganda and attacks on those that say anything on the contrary is anything but good content to learn something from.
Therefore I’m doing what a lot of people wish they would do, creating balance by calling them out. Its needed, badly.
All of the sony forums less Dyxum have been invated by this pro-at all costs-sony rhetoric propaganda.
Get real or be prepared to be called out on your claims- is the theme I present. Just be honest and you’ll see the lighter side of MCP!
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because this camera is state of the art as of today and for several years to come.
Depends on your needs, priorities, and shooting style. And what lenses you have and which ones you need.
At the $3500 price-point Sony has an opportunity to deliver a full-frame camera “for the rest us.”
If the 5DMKII’s unexpected success was caused by the inclusion of video, then the 5DMKIII has left significant areas of weakness—like the flip-out screen, sensor-based image stabilization, swivel EVF for video, size and weight, lens adaptability and a whole lot more.
The end of the full-frame race is the unified hybrid capturing system, the ultimate shooting machine. The one that does it all.
Sony has all the technologies to create the ultimate shooting machine——the NEX-7 is the proof. Now just scale it up to full-frame (NEX-9).
duplicated
I do not get it. Why NEX-9? Do you like CDAF AF speed? I do not. It has very limited use for my taste. I can’t shoot sports, action, kids with it (without LA-EA2 adapter).
You probably own a lot of glass for other mount and DSLR from CaNikon. Am I right?
Being a-mount user I do not need NEX-9 because NEX-7 is enough as small backup body. I need A950/A99 body and updated SONY lenses much more.
Create a modular system with a smart adapter for all the Alpha lenses. I too want PDAF, but not all the time.
When you don’t need PDAF, you can shoot without the translucent mirror——there seems to be lots of complaints about image deterioration caused by the mirror.
All that Sony needs to do is put in-camera stabilization, create the smart adapter and you have your A99 in a modular form-factor.
If this modularity existed you wouldn’t buy? And as a huge benefit, this modularity would bring greater economy-of-scale and a lower price to us.
I own a considerable amount of Canon glass—yet I won’t be upgrading my 5DMKII.
If NEX-9 looks like bigger NEX-7 I’m not interested. NEX-7 ergonomics is good for a compact but it is not good enough for main camera. NEX-9 would have to be more like A77 only thinner. I doubt SONY would name it NEX-9 then. Andrea told us about some hybrid mount camera in development. This is better alternative to NEX-9.
If the NEX-9 is smaller than my 5D, I’m all over it!
hey, comrades! today sold my camera with 50 85 beercan and fisheye! will go and buy 5dmk2. i’m sick of waiting for a new ff camera. sony you suck at camera market.
Have fun with the lousy af of the 5dmk2!
Lousy, hah. Guess the A900’s is lousy too then. 5DMKII was very similar.
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You are saying that 5D MKII users were wrong about their complaints over the AF then? You really are a wanker!
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Are you a total dork? Obvious answer.
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So you are then. Glad we got that sorted, I’m sure 5D MKII users are amazed at your arrogance.
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MCP you obviously have not used the 5DmarkII. The AF is terrible, and not at all similar to the A900 AF- have you not seen the countless youtube tests where the AF on the canon hunts forever while the A900 locks almost instantaneously?
Why are you such a cancerous cuntbag?
Obviously you are VERY wrong. How the hell could you know what I’ve used or not? Nice degration of using swear words too, to try and beat me into oblivion- guess what, it won’t work sweetheart.
So you have a choice, quit making ignorant assumptions about me and ask a question instead. But that would mean you’d learn something. Let others fight for themselves if you are a man you’ll have a direct convo with me, staying on topic. See if you can do that.
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Looks like MCP has been found out….again….
MCP, you’ve obviously never used an A900/A850, the AF is significantly better than the 5d II, you’re wrong period.
end of your bell….
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I can use my a900 for action shots. I have had 5dmkii users tell me they could never do that. Think before you open your trap.
You are at the end of your line.
He is very honest about his sexual preferences though, you’ve got to applaud the man for being proud (read down)…
Sony now has an opportunity to bring less then 3K$ priced, 24Mp/8fps FF camera, based on all good things from A77 but without known weaknesses. It will be more then enough to compete with Canon and it will gives to Sony time to develop 36Mp flagship.
there will be no new 24Mp sony FF….had a chance to talk to some sony people….next ff will be more than 24mp…..
they didn’t know how much it will cost but be sure it won’t be a lot more cheaper then competition….just look at a77 price
The A77 is cheap.
I would disagree, considering that you can get superior low light performance and a complex optical finder/moving mirror system for a lower price.
The starting price of the a77 is also identical to the a700’s starting price. Even though the simpler EVF design should save money, it doesn’t seem to be reflected much in the final price.
That is true but the a700 came out over 4 years ago. For the a77 to be the same price as what the a700 was is saying something. The rising costs of materials and such since the a700 came out would or should mean the a700 would cost much more today and the a77 does not.
BHphoto prices:
Canon 7D – 1600US
Nikon D7000 – 1300US
Sony A77 – 1400US
What is so expensive about it? And, frankly, “complex optical finder/moving mirror system” is a ridiculous statement. What does that even mean? How about a complex non-moving electronic viewfinder system, lol.
I think there is a reason for SONY to go more-megapixels way. I guess there is currently technological limit of A/D conversion in C-MOS chips that does not allow better signal to noise ratio at lowest ISO REGARDLESS OF PIXEL SIZE.
36Mp? Depends…
A77 price – 1499$
It literally is the mark 3. Just the same camera with improvements – better AF, better high ISO and a few minor upgrades
But the price. ROFL. £2999 in the UK. You have GOT TO BE KIDDING. The d800 is only £2399.
Not to mention that the 24-70 is £2399. So for the price of a 5d3+24-70, I could get a d800 and 2 of Nikon’s 1.4 primes.
Also, the samples on the canon site look awful. Plastic. Bad colours. Heavy noise reduction. Yuck.
Canon always sacrifices color rendition and DR for high iso noise performance- its why I switched.
Canon’s announcement is revolutionary with the introduction of a first wireless RF flash system!
I can only hope that Sony, etc will get a clue and do the right thing!
The one feature that I saw with the 5dmk3 that I would like in a future Sony FF would be the ability to record in Raw in different MP sizes. I noticed that it has three levels of RAW.
From the product description:
(6) RAW: Approx. 22.10 Megapixels (5760 x 3840)
(7) M-RAW: Approx. 10.50 Megapixels (3960 x 2640)
(8) S-RAW: Approx. 5.50 Megapixels (2880 x 1920)
Now if Sony came out with say a 36MP FF camera I would not be mad as long as they offered different levels of RAW like this. I would just use the Mid level most of the time.
I think Canon had a great idea with this.
I agree- would like to see this in ALL cameras from now on.
Thats the one thing I miss from my 60D. Being able to shoot with different sizes of raw was nice. Oh, I also miss being able to shoot jpegs without crappy noise reduction. I hope they update the a77 firmware to be able to turn off jpeg noise reduction.
I think the bottom line is DELIVER something today!!!!! Aug/Sept is late in the game. Your major competitors have shown their cards, now it’s your turn.
I’m tired of all the waiting… it’s coming… we switched strategies… we are not going to release something until its perfect, but yet we cut deals with our main competitor to let them use our technologies exclusively for a whole year. C’mon now, what sense does that make? If you want to be in the camera business then save your best stuff for yourself and let your competitors fend for themselves.
Personally, I am looking for 24MB OVF FF with great high ISO image quality. You have to do video to stay competitive, but ultimately image quality is what it all about. I’ve got some great Zeiss lenses. Now I need a FF to show them off.
Otherwise, I’m moving to Nikon. I’ve been debating it for the last three years now and I’ve decided this year is to make a final decision – all in with Sony or switch to Nikon.
But oh, how I love the sweet colors of my A700 & 85z… that’s the sole reason why I have not jumped ship. I really love my Zeiss lenses.
Exactly well said. Schitzoprhenic camera division, just like DPR said a while ago.
They need to get rid of the upper management that has consumer electronics on the brain and hire photographic minded managers, bottom line.
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September MIGHT be the month Sony anounce something, maybe 24MP FF, plus delays, as in A900 update, with the EVF and SLT experiments. And maybe 6 – 9 months later the other anouncement (36MP?) plus delays. By then my D800 is gonna be more than a year old… At the same price or maybe 200 bucks cheaper. I guess the PS3 option plus the GPS are gonna be the part that convince all of us to jump back. Call me pesimist but as a (still) Sony user, I don’t see this company caring about my needs. For the hardcore fanboys, please don’t get mad for a little truth.
I would like if Sony would copy release time…
In A900 i miss articulated LCD screen, LV, faster AF (more points for tracking), silent mode and video.
Canon also do not provide APS-C size RAW (digital TC) with faster frame rate, for longer series.
There’s few to whine about. Mark III looks almost perfect on paper. And judging from some real world photographer’s opinion, it actually is. We can just dream Sony to release a camera close that good. I am not a Canon fanboy, I am a Sony user.
The only thing not perfect about it is price- the D800 would get my vote any day over the mark III
EMO- totally true.
There’s a huge difference between the world here on article comments and the real world. Those who comment here know that in the real world Sony DSLRS are laughed at, so they construct a fake world here- wherein they are perfect devices everybody should want and need and destroy Canon and Nikon.
You could say that a choice few are really high on Sony nectar.
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I know the pixel peepers go on about high ISO, but I think there is a case for Sony to answer even for the non pixel peeping enthusiast.
I would expect a camera I buy today to be able to take good hand held shots (by ‘good’ I mean ‘don’t need any post-processing’) of an indoor evening party, using a cheap kit lens and without flash.
That translates to being able to take shots in artifical indoor light using a 3.5-5.6 lens. that’s not much to ask for, and is actually a very typical ‘family camera’ use case.
ISO 1600 is a stop or two away from this, and this needs fixing across the Sony range (and probably across the Canikon entry range)
Quiet down morons!
Those of your complaining about price, focus points, etc, are truley Sony p&s users who carry a Sony a55 or a77 around taking pictures of your cats.
This Canon was made for pros, something users seem to crap on all the time, I guess it’s jealousy. Almost every image you’ve seen in print, art shows, web, etc were take with a camera that was NOT a Sony.
I shot Sony for 5 years, and Minolta, I never bashed other companies, I only looked at the images. The last time I saw a working pro use a Sony at a wedding was..,,.,never! The iso noise on Sony camera’s make them useless in dark churches during weddings, while Nikon & Canon can shoot clean ISP 3200.
To end this, I’ll say what I always have. Admin, you the biggest fanboy! Instead of encouraging positive discussions or good camera techniques or these Sony wanna-be’s, you always write about who is better, the fall of canon, or some other bs.
The name of the site should be “let’s all complain about other camera companies while we continue to take less than average pictures with our Zeiss lenses”.
So you define pros as purely wedding photogs ?
You only believe ordinary people taking pictures of their cats and everyday lives knows nuts about photography ?
I think you live in the wrong era my friend. You can stay away from this site if you dont like what is being discussed here. This is a Sonyalpharumour blog, not a photography discussion forum afterall.
I think the “Sony” poster was making a point, and didn’t mean that pro’s only shoot weddings.
But he has a point!! And others have pointed it out a 100x, that is that 9.5 out of 10 pro’s shoot Nikon or Canon, NOT Sony.
And if you go to any Nikon forums they are saying positive things about the Sony sensors, and rarely speak bad of Sony. But if you come here it is all about bashing the big guys because people here feel inadequite.
Sony cameras are great, but their noise performance sucks compared to the other 2 big guys, plus Sony doesnt have the range of Pro dslr’s that the others do. You may not want certain feautres on a camera, but they are people who make a living and feed their families on using cameras with these feautures.
Seems like most here are very narrow minded,and the poster just pointed that out.
Finally, the comment about having SSS in the body means people dont need to shoot over iso 800 is a joke. It just shows they know nothing of what the professional photography world needs. Anyone who says that Sony has great iso at 1600 or above on their A900 are just plain stupid.
The a900 is not useless in dark churches. Shoot raw and use LR3 and there you go. Stop spouting off stuff you do not know about.
Not sure why you say we take less than average pics with Zeiss lenses either. I think you are a fanboy of Canon and you are trying to diss something you are jealous of by making comments like that.
Haha!!!
“You have balls, I like balls.”
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Sounds like your fag boyfriend is here. No wonder you like balls.
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What are you, all of 12yrs old? Haven’t discovered the pee pee yet? Soon as you do nobody will hear from you for a least a couple of years.
At least your replies will be more intelligent while you are gone.
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..and this coming from a guy who thinks he’s in Tron…
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You are the only moron here. I am a professional that shoots weddings and events constantly in iso 1600-4000. I know how to expose images and use NR in post so that my 24mp files ALWAYS print better than my partners’ D700.
And seriously.. its a sony alpha rumors site. OF fucking COURSE we are going to discuss Sony.
I know of no pro who frequents forums with the kind of garbage you lay out here. They usually have way too much to do.
Not saying you aren’t but show some credentials otherwise.
your at the end of your line.
I am at the end of my line.
+1000 Yep it’s a thoroughly professional tool capable of beautiful prints and shows the crappy plasticy overpriced 5D II for just what it is!!
+1000 Yep it’s a thoroughly professional tool capable of beautiful prints and shows the average plasticy overpriced 5D II for just what it is!!
Last I check there were a few professionals using the A77.
Different cameras for different shooting situations.
Canon did its best thing here, image quality. this 5D MkIII could be the ‘conqueror of darkness’ with these levels of high ISO to the hundreds, image quality will be great up to ISO 6400 in my guess which is to ISO 1600 of sony’s a77. i have my a77 4 months now and with its 24mp its great but at high ISO, only 1600 is usable but still it’s not as clean as canon’s 7D in the same ISO level. sony really needs to improve this as everyone has been asking for their next firmware upgrade and i’m not even too excited for the new one..
Samples of iso 6400 did not look that amazing.
..and ISO 6400 on a sony a900/a77?
The point being that at this cost a new Full Frame SHOULD be amazing at 6400. This isn’t.
We should also note that this camera seems to be targeted more at resolution than ISO performance, much like the a77. And honestly, the ISO 6400 samples I’ve seen look pretty nice. Just looking at the JPGs, it seems to be 2 stops ahead of my a580 – the ISO 12800 sample looks like what I’d expect from ISO 3200 on my camera. Of course, we’ll have to wait for raw samples to be sure…
Arguably, the a77’s high ISO performance should have been amazing, or at least better than or equal to the previous generation of APS-C cameras, given its price. But it wasn’t.
i think what sony should do to compete here is put more of its effort in the video side. as many of you say that professional photographers don’t use a sony–yes, very true, but what do most professional filmmakers use, a sony such as their XDCAM’s, and yes some canons but no nikons. Sony already has an advantage on the video side here over the other guys such as the in-body stabilization which really works well, though the problem is it has to crop the video but that’s fine as long as my shots are not shaky.
What sony should do is incorporate some of their XDCAM technologies to the alpha line. but before getting in to that, they should put first what HDSLR users wanted:
– headphone jack for monitoring audio
– manual control for audio
– uncompressed video format as option (may not be possible but hey, it’s a good option if they can put that in)
– uncropped video (they can remove stabilization as option which is the cause of video being cropped)
– full manual control of A/S/ISO while on video
– do not limit video up to ISO 1600. users should be able to use any ISO setting they want
also: a separate remote with a dial not just buttons to adjust settings smoothly such as A/S/volume/exposure etc. a remote similar to that of apple’s remote or ipod nano with a screen for settings, but thinner of course.
so why a remote? because controlling camera settings while on video gives a shake and unnecessary/annoying button/dial sounds that is being included in the video recording. having a remote is really great especially when you got your DSLR on a rig.
I hope at least some of your improvements list make it to the A77, specially manual control, iso limit and maybe uncropped video. The rest I can live without. And the remote functions sound interesting too 🙂
Let’s face the reality: as compared to Sony FF, Canon FF is preferred by professional photographers at a ratio of something like 9.5 to 0.5. All these people at the top of the craft can not be wrong. Anyone who is willing to argue against this cold truth is simply lying to himself. Mk3 will be preferred to Sony at a ratio 10 to 0 since there is no more Sony FF last time I checked. I am glad I switched to Canon FF last year (used original 5D) and this is exactly the camera I will start saving for and get by year end
There is always the limitation of times and context when one talks about preferred equipment. The biggest innovator that creates the best value wins at the end of the day. Will it be Sony ? I am not sure, but Canon is definitely not filling up those shoes at the moment.
You might be right over the long term, but I am not willing to wait around that long to find out. Thus Canon is now making $ off of me because they offer a more complete system, with plenty of room to grow, especially when it comes to lenses.
By the way, Sony is a #1 professional video camera company and has been for a while. It makes the widest range of TV and movie cameras and pretty much owns that space. In light of this I am disappointed that Sony completely dropped a ball in the professional DSLR market. After they acquired Minolta camera division from KM, people expected them to invest heavily in this segment and within 5 years play on the same level as C and N. It’s sad to say that did not happen, despite some early encouraging signs, e.g. introducing A900 and a few CZ lenses. In the last 24 months it has been a wait game. Wait for a new FF body…then wait for mid range consumer-level stuff already announced but delayed for months…In the mean time C and N are moving forward and the photography world is moving forward, leaving Sony fans behind.
Canon and Nikon haven’t been moving forward. They are releasing the same old same old…
And they own Sony. Must be doing everything wrong then.
Just like Canon, do it all wrong and own the biggest marketshare.
LOL you are such an empty vessel.
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They don’t “own” Sony, they have brand awareness, not the same thing at all…
Canon and Nikon have been moving forward. It would be silly to think that every 2 or 4 years, these manufacturers were going to come out with some dazzling technology that was light years better than the last.The D4 will be a very popular body with a full complement of pro lenses and a long history of supporting the professional photographer. What is Sony doing these days to attract the professional to their line of camera and lenses?
Yes of course they have been moving forward, same old design, same old features, higher cost.
The 5d feels like a cheap toy when compared to the a900. You can get great results from just about any of the big FF cameras if you know what you are doing.
Cheap toy, you’re an idiot. Marginally lower build quality at best, marginally. Quit the hysterics buttwipe.
And it doesn’t matter if you bring a tank to the battlefield when a sniper rifle will do the job better.
Canon 5DII’s outsold A900s what to what?
Yep shut up.
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I tried A850 several times and did not love it. Matter of personal preference. 5D gave me an opportunity to finally feel normal again – like in the good old days when a 50mm was a 50mm… plus a nice bump in quality. Colors are closest to film bar none. All for $1K in mint condition. I knew it would be temporary until Mk3 came out which I fully plan to get once the price is under $3K (year end)
Nothing like having our own pet troll. Directed at MCP
Hey, didn’t cost you a thing did it?
If some posters would be more truthful, it wouldn’t be necessary. As is they are propaganda spreading trolls themselves, only they do it a different way.
Look at all the insecure replies here about the Canon 5DMKIII, had Sony announced this today, they’d be praising Sony en-mass. Fireworks and banners of glory everywhere! You know it’s true!
Just keeping it real, if that makes me a troll I’ll proudly wear that badge.
Balance is needed, I’m providing it. Like it or hate it, up to you.
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I just wanted to let everyone know that I am a huge fuckbag.
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LOL nice comment above. I respect that, shows someone is thinking at least. Lets change my name so it appears Im talking badly about myself.
How original (not)- but at least it’s funny! Good job! Got me to smile today.
Be a man, lets debate camera topics with facts. See if you can.
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You speak to their insecurities yet you troll around these forums beating up Sony. I guess that makes you an insecure troll and really does explain your immature badgering tactics.
This is a Sony @ mount rumor site so in my book Sony users are entitled to their opinions right or wrong. You sir are an attention starved troll so insecure with your own choices in life that you make yourself feel better by brow beating others who don’t share your choices and opinions.
You are a huge “fuckbag” hey you said it not me.
Yes see thats the tatic you use, I’m honest about Sony’s position and not spreading lies and rhetoric propaganda about them, and that to you is being a troll. Its not but you think that it is and therefore- it is.
On the contrary dear chap, I’m hunting propaganda sony clones. Its time we take back our forums from these ding dongs who think they are pulling fast ones over the eyes of the educated :).
Be real about Sony’s position, Sony will be a better company if their customers are realistic and not so easily satisfied with some of the junk they are making.
If they think customers are happy why would they make the product any better? You guy are so easily pleased! Have the balls to say it like it is and tell them what you want, you are the consumer!
Admit the bad sides openly and honestly at all times!
If you want Sony to compete and make better products you’d better do that before its too late!
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Let me start by apologizing to the entire community for being a gargantuant cunt.
I am not a photographer, nor do I know anything about photography.
I am most certainly a fuckbag.
Sony makes the best SLRs and SLTs in the world!! Shits all over Nikon at least, thats for damn sure.
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The wee man is having a melt down. It’s like watching a mid-life crisis or mental breakdown. Quite entertaining from the outside looking in.
Good to see he has hit a downer with his comment 10 minutes ago.
What does “end of line” mean anyway? He may refer to himself as a “gargantuan cunt” (and who am I to disagree) but he sounds like some sort of mental cylon with that sign off…
LMFAO @ “mental cylon”
Just wish I had thought of what the “other” MCP is up to. First MCP, quick send some of your solar sailors and light cycles after him… Quality after pub entertainment this…
!!!TETHERING!!!
!!!REMOTE VIDEO CONTROL!!!
No Pro Vid/Still Tographer will take Sony seriously if it can’t be controlled without touching the camera. Failing to do so forces the Sony Tog to be a permanent hand held chump. Allowing remote operation permits mounting/controlling camera on booms, studio overhead stands, and countless obscure places.
Sony, make a control box with custom fit to your CLM-V55 LCD Monitor. Provide extra long cables to integrate both as one single unit so we can mount and control system anywhere. Right now your CLM-V55 Monitor works better with CaNikon than it does with your own cameras… BECAUSE WE CAN’T CONTROL SONY REMOTELY.
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And PAH-LEAZE Sony… Update your entire flash system to meter purely upon distance encoding from lens… STOP THE PRE-FLASH METERING which slows shooting and causes blinks and misses the exposure more often than not. Your ADI and Pre-Flash TTL absolutely SUCK. Thyristor on flash metering is more accurate and doesn’t pre-flash.
A new flash system with modeling light could act both as flash and video light all in one unit.
can someone please tell sony to try to be at least in par in terms of image quality with canon 5d mk3? here’s a sample at ISO 6400 from 5d mk3:
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos5dmk3/downloads/02.jpg
that’s like ISO 800 with the a900
The A900 is from 2008! Btw we have 2012 now. lol
That 6400 sample is awful
Looks like a screenshot from Skyrim. The rocks look plastic, or like a bad computer render.
You are comparing a new FF camera to the A900? Are you nuts?
yes, and you are so amazed when comparing the NEX-5n image quality to a 5D MKII that the sony is almost on level with it. “You are comparing a new APS-C mirrorless camera to the 5d MKII? Are you nuts?”
Excellent comment. I also think the flash system should be upgraded somehow.
I guess Sony’s A99 will just come with a slightly beefed-up version of the A77’s AF system. I hope they surprise me in September.
Now that both Canon and Nikon have both shown the photographic world their cards with the release of the d800 and the mark III, the next step is to see how the image quality compares between them and unfairly how it compares with the best the Sony world has to offer, the a77, NEX-7 and maybe more fairly because of full-frame the recently discontinued a900.
It’s primarily about the image, right…, and the ability to capture the image…, correct?
For those who are thinking about selling off their investment in the A-mount it’s about timing and getting to most dollars possible from the Zeiss lenses. The prices have gone way up! On the other hand, maybe Sony is right and the a99 will be an equal and Sony will continue to produce and update just enough quality lens choices to get by…………..how may lenses do you need anyway!
My 24-70/f.8 and other Zeiss lenses compares well against the Canons and Nikons and several others in the line-up do also, so we can get by. But the obvious question continues; if you had to start all over again TODAY would you invest in the A-mount platform?
Certainly not today but maybe in September.
Yes, I bought a A100 when it came out because I had no desire to follow the crowd. I now have an A900 and am very happy with it. Am looking forward to the new Sony body, but its about the lenses once you have them, right?
I think that pro video users looking to make films rather than those looking for continual video work will not look at DSLR/DSLT territory due to the sensors, bodies, and available lenses.
Both Sony and Canon offer video specific products with fewer megapixels on a FF sensor to avoid the various problems that are associated with a high MP count when using video.
The Canon 5D MKIII will obviously produce excellent photographs and high quality video (like the A77 only of higher quality; this is to be expected of a product costing twice as much as the other), however it will not produce professional cinema grade footage. Canon, Nikon, and Sony have all catered for this segment of the market which is video professionals very well, with Sony understandably a few months behind release wise on their A99 (due to all the natural disasters affecting their release calendar).
I have to agree with several users though that the MKIII is not the game winning beast it could have been, and I believe it is not simply because Canon would be lowering the number of reasons for people to step up to their next level of video and photographic tools. Simple economics and good business.
what Sony should do is react quicker to the market, dont give 5DMark3 the chance to dominate the market too easily. 2012 year end or 2013 is definitely too late. You see the sudden launches of 5Dm3 is very close to D800’s roll out (though D800 is not on shelf yet)..
for those readers interested in a more positive discussion on this topic. Many posters on this board are in fact pro’s with links to their websites and portfolios. so you know who is posting and whether they know what they are talking about…
http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00a5IN
Love that site Jim, good post. When I’m not hunting pwopaghanda wabbits, I read the good stuff.
Now, wher arr dose wasskiwy pwopaghanda wabbits????
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Now, consumers can only hope for Pentax to produce a miracle by producing its first FF camera that can go to 100,000 ISO with price below 2500 USD.
Sony FF certainly will be below 2500 USD but its ISO will be 25,600 max
Pentax can, but will they?
Pentax is in the best position they have ever been in, now with real $ backing, and only two other players really doing DSLR’s.
Best time to make a FF OVF camera and suck in some Minoltan’s right away. Just make sure and announce 6 new FF lenses at the same time.
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The only thing I don’t like about the 5D MKIII is the fact that one, its a Canon (snoozefest to use, uninspiring, but a solid tool that gets the job done for pros), and two, the price of it.
But don’t read too much into the price Sony propaganda clones, price drops fast for Canon unlike Sony’s fixed market strangle pricing :).
5D MKIII’s will be selling for $2,999.00 real fast. The price a camera of this caliber should cost.
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what is “end of line”? Is that like “over and out”? Or is that your way of saying your word is the final word on the subject “end of discussion”?
Just curious. Don’t stop… It’s cute.
Oh I wouldn’t stop but glad you asked.
“Neverunderestimate the power of a question, always bring into suspect those who assume.”
MCP and “End of Line” go hand in hand. Just google it.
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Now I understand, you are a freaky Tron nut having a mental breakdown…
I’m perfectly sane. It’s the insanity of insecure Sony apologists you should be turning your attention too.
C’mon have a sense of humor on the Tron quote, sheesh.
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Insecure Sony apologists? Why does it surprise you that people who like their cameras don’t want a troll pointlessly slagging them off.
I hate quotes appended to posts. It distracts from any message you might have had.
So what camera do you own MCP?
I would say $2500.
Canon upgraded specs didn’t impress at all. Sony has a chance to better it, and I’m certain they weill. SLT tech + improved ISO + improved EVF will be a killer combo for the new FF. OVF’ers can stay with Nikon or Canon or any other brand, Sony keep on innovating!
They may not impress you but the MKIII will sell 5 to one better than any Sony FF Camera they bring (if they even do).
That’s a fact. It stings but until Sony makes a better product and convinces the serious photogs they are serious it will always be that way.
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I like cock in my asshole.
This man is definitely very honest. Or alternatively the site admin is a bit bored…
Considering I didn’t say that, we didn’t need to hear or know your sexual preferences here on SAR. But since you insisted on telling us, all power to you.
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Very sad this split personality thing. Terrible to watch your slide into madness MCP…
I didn’t put the original post up, so it’s either you or someone hates your guts. It’s almost like you went onto a website, trolled it, and people thought you were a c@ck as a consequence.
Very sad, but true. I’m sure the Mk3 has its charms that they honed in on, but when your name is a household brand they can do something like change a dial and still print their own money for it even if someone else did it the same way or better.
Not a bad camera, but nothing interesting after D800 and NEX7.
Heavier than 5d2? Why?
So far, Em5 and 5DMK3 did great in high ISO. Both improved 2 stops.
I liked the 5d mk3 specs, but the price is quite high.
What to like on the 5Dmk3:
– High ISO and AF would be the main things I would like sony to equal or surpass with new firmware update on the a77 or coming a99.
– but the jpg engine, and RAW _> jpg in-camera is second (Sony, don’t try to re-invent but just buy a good jpg & noise reduction engine, it should be available somewhere)
– dual cards with option to copy.
– HDR
– Availability now..a99 should be here already… I guess most active exising a900 users would like the upgrade, and if affordable, would probably buy…
What to dislike:
– Price
– maybe fps, but then again maybe 6 fps is enough with good AF.
Sony should also have a look at the magic latern software which seem to give some canon camera’s amazing features such as.
– Bulb ramping
– Intervalometer
– variable image quality (higher)
– manual audio
– HDR video
– zebra
– stack focus
– motion detection
– clean hdmi?
– usb HP monitoring
If you search “the mountain timelapse” on youtube, you’ll see an excellent timelapse video of the tenerife mountain teide, wouldn’t it be nice to do such a thing with zeiss glass? Look at Mindrelic – Manhattan in motion as well.. beautiful example what intervalometer and bulb ramping can deliver.
The Zeiss glass is the main reason I love my A700 16-80Z combination. I like the minolta glass (50 1.7 and 135 2.8) as well. The sony doesn’t always give me the perfect picture (don’t like high iso > 1600, or flash so shutter times can be too long) , but if it does give me a good picture, it’s 3d feeling, great natural colors, and often razor sharp. I tried the canon 7D with 15-85 for a few days and it didn’t give me 1 picture I really liked, and I’ve used canon before which did (30d) so no option yet to switch to canon at this moment.(magic lantern isn’t supported on 7d or a5MK3 yet)
Can’t get used to nikon’s interface but maybe in time could, but like the lenses and high iso and af, but no magic lantern features possible, so no option for film either and high investment.
If the A77 with 16-80 can give me that same feeling (Tried the EVF in shop but wasn’t convinced yet, need to try once more), I’ll probably stick with sony.
But I would like the magic lantern features as well and probablt buy a 550D, 50D or maybe even a 5d mk2 second hand with affordable lens to use for time lapse & filming.
Sony, please build (or better yet, you only have to program) these options in the a99 or upgrade firmware of the a77 and you’ve got a very interesting product, i’ll but tomorrow.
I take photographs for fun and am definitely not a pro, but I do use and created some of my pictures commercially from time to time for clients websites, brochures or video’s. (multimedia company)
Sometimes I do some video shooting using Sony HDV or XDCAM, but would like to have a cheap options with shallow DOF and filmic look, for new projects.
Having been doing professional video editing for clients for about 10 yrs now and having worked at sony video professional before, I’ve seen and used top products like digital betacam, SX, D1 down to a pd150. Sony has ruled the pro video area for years. With hardware but not with software. Their software always left desires, or had too many bugs. Editors like ES7 and ES3 where rubbish or too late. (Avid & FCP & Premiere outrun them easily)
The sony pro gear Ive used wére always top-quality equipment with good functional use and reliability. Use the knowledge of the pro video sony department on the dslr/slt department, and you can deliver a very good cam!
Sony has always been protective to their top products, keeping features down on cheaper models. (example: crippling audio at low end in V1 to keep it from reaching too pro levels for price class.)
And maybe sony is afraid a DSLT with too good video will hurt the pro video equipment, but I think their different markets and camjo will go for ergonomics and stay with pro video. But get the ppl who use a 5D in stead of sony equipment. New market..
Introduce sony acc as cable lens remote, rig, video light, audio input box for xlr, etc etc. It’ll sell 😉
I am anxious to see how the 5D Mk3 fairs after DxoMark tests it. As of today Canon only has 2 Camera’s in the top 20 Spots overall.
Nikon has 6 Camera’s in the top 20 and Sony has 6 Camera’s in the top 20.
I am not a Fanboy and like Canon, Nikon and Sony all of these platforms are great and have there own advantages and disadvantages. I firmly believe that the biggest disadvantage to any camera body is the person holding it.
We all seem to forget that we all shoot differently and not all Camera’s fit all Photographers. I chose Sony because I wanted Steady Shot and the grip felt good in my hand.
I do not understand why people get so caught up in the Brand when the only questions you need to ask yourself are.
1. Does it have the features I want?
2. Do I like it?
3. Can “I” manage to take nice photo’s with it? (I have seen crap camera’s take amazing photo’s in the right hands)
3. Can I afford it?
If you answered yes to all questions buy it and screw everyone elses opinions.
I am sure it will be a fine camera, but for that price should that not be expected. Canon users are sure to grab it up . Nikon 800 initially looks better to me at a lower price. I look for Sony to match efforts of both with a less costly product. The only problem that I see at this point is the fact both Nikon and Canon release similar products at nearly the same time and Sony does not have anything hitting the market any time in the near future. It would be like Xbox releasing this month with its brand new console and PS4 releasing 6 to 12 months later.
Another Canon body which happens to be another FF. Wow…groundbreaking…stop the presses. Tell me how I can possibly live without this?
For the love of god sony, just release this:
a900 body with the same buttons, viewfinder etc
New 24mp sensor with better high ISO, dynamic range etc
Live-view
Better, more up to date AF system
Done.
That would be an awesome camera for serious photographers. And it takes almost no R&D..
Interesting that CaNikon take different roads: Nikon from 12mpix D700 to 36 mpix D800. Canon from 21mpix MkII to 22 mpix MkIII. The Nikon is now significantly less expensive . Another shift as the MkII was the most affordable FF.
It will be interesting to see serious test sites evaluation of IQ between the two.
It will be interesting to see if Canon will maintain the higer price
Even more interesting if Sony presents something that challenges the giants in FF.
Sony have some Zeiss lenses that are HQ, but Canon has lots more HQ lenses to choose from. So, as with NEX, Sony has problems to develop lenses that are HQ. As long as they do not catch up with CaNikon in this area, Sony will have no chanse to increase their FF market share.
As Admin said, the FF war has just begun. Both 5D3 and D800 are no longer as inspiring as their precedent, though they are still fantastic updates according to the spec.
Now its up to Sony to come up with something different and competitive. I still don’t believe SLT would become a define competitive edge. Perhaps a better lens line up, especially the 70-200mm zoom range. Or better video implementation without holding back technologies like what Canon always do. And of course, competitive pricing.
I reckon the dark horse could be Pentax, if they would ever produce a FF. With their heritage in compact SLR and prime lenses, a no nonsense compact FF DSLR could be the next big thing for Pentax.
I also didn’t take Pentax seriously until I bought the K5 recently. For me, it takes better pictures than my 7D and A850 I previously owned. And it’s so compact.
So I would hold on a bit and let the dust settle before choosing my next FF.
I sold the a900 and a55 for the a77+ 70-400 /500 af reflex
af is good, no problem with battery as the a55 had, quality is good within tight iso limits, evf is good too
S, however ony will have to come up with a useful firmware not a cosmetic one:
make iso quality better, give more than iso 1600 in video give us smart tc in raw as the a900 had, give us a way to reassign or lock the damn video button…
Sony software suite also needs some work…
sony will also have to come up with more expert long lenses ( 400mm 500mm with ssm) and some affordable lenses ( 70-210 f4 ssm for example,300 mm f4 )
it was also a bad joke not to continue with the 500 af mirror ( why not 600 or 800? )
the 500 f4 , for most people, is a great joke ( especially the improvement to the af responses of the 500mm f4 in the coming firmware upgrade…)
the greatest, smartest thing Sony might do is listen to their customers, not just their damn hidden focus groups
the pentax alternative ( body and lenses ) is becoming more and more attractive.
If Nikon and Canon improve their video af performance, lots of people will jump ship.
The latest and greatest is always nice! However, after seeing it along with the D800 I’m not so excited. It’s now Sony’s turn to try n’ raise the bar with the A9xx. BTW: There is no way I would let my A900 or my ZA135 go by-by.
The most important features/factors for non-professional photographers who want to purchase an expensive, large camera are:
Stabilization (preferably in camera, but performance is the key factor because the extra cost of IS on lens is not decisive)
Low light sensitivity (meaning LARGE size pixels, not many 18-22 are plenty).
Speed Autofocus for video. Very fast liveview mode.
For people making casual photos without time x set up, tripods, etc., these are the MAJOR FACTORS.
Other features/factors
Quality of video: how camera translates 18+Mb into 2MB x HD video.
Making “movies” with time lapse (slow) or very fast (120 fps)
i’ve been waiting for these full frame cameras for 3 years (of course three years ago I only had a year wait :/) I waited because I wanted to jump to Nikon but needed a D700 with video. Since it means buying all new glass its big decision. The video on the D800 has issues, and really expected 1080 60p from canon. I may as well wait now to see what sony do – the only pro manufacturer that believes in innovation it seems (although SLT does not appeal to me).
I.S.O please
Keep the resolution in the 18-24 MP range. Focus on Image quality. I wouldn’t mind a AA-less or weak AA model if only one version is offered. Keep the built in IS sensor of the a900. Improve high ISO and refresh the lenses that need it. Improve customer service when we need it. Sony has great products over all but often it seems like they are only 80-90% invested in the camera market. Would like to feel like they’re all in though.