Sony A7s owner will have to wait a couple of weeks more than expected before they get their preordered Atomos Shogun 4K recorder. It will now start shipping on December 15 according to BHphoto (Click here) and Adorama (Click here). The reason for the delay has been shared by Newsshooter who posted a message from Jeremy (Atomos CEO):
“Although the Shoguns are physically built and ready to ship, the firmware is taking longer than expected to finalize taking into account our high standards of reliability.”
The good news is that Jeremy confirmed the preordered Atomos Shoguns will ship to your home before Christmas!
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Oh damn, and I wasn’t even going to buy one, now I feel like I missed out on something. Oh well will get my FS7 kit in jan so who cares 🙂
Did you compare prices fo XQD memory cards and standard SSDs?
Do you seriously think that matters?!? Having a ergonomic beast with a real lens and controls where you want them, but oh no let’s go for the external recorder using HDMI because the cards might be a bit on the expensive side right now… QAVC is efficient, that will save a lot of money in: time / storage / backups and backups of the backups and backups of those backups.
few weeks ???? really??? come on?? few… weeks?
There is another Recorder / Monitor.
Convergent Design – 4K Recorder / OLED HD Monitor – Odyssey 7 and 7Q – Raw / Prores Recorder — List Price (U$) Odyssey 7 $1,295 or Odyssey 7Q $2,295 (on Sale for less).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIS0Zuwuy_c&list=UUUH9y35fQqOKZQwmwOGYR0g
Odyssey 7 doesnt do 4k.
Odyssey 7Q doesnt to 4k from HDMI
Odyssey 7/7Q requires special expensive SATA drives
Shogun does 4k, does it over HDMI or SDI, does Sony RAW and uses regular SATA drives…..all for less than Odyssey7Q
Shogun is a no brainer and is dirt cheap!!
> “Shogun is a no brainer and is dirt cheap!!”
Half correct.
The Title is “Atomos delays (for few weeks) the Shogun shipment due small firmware issues”. Yes, it’s a no-brainer; but they are fixing that.
You did not mention that the Shogun has a far higher resolution Monitor that the 7Q.
The 7Q is $200 less. Firmware additions to support ARRI or Sony are extra.
Both the Shogun and the 7Q are “similarly priced” as the AJA (built in the US) “Ki Pro Quad” is U$4K, twice the price of these and no HDMI in. It also uses it’s own SSD Drives. The “Monitor” is tiny.
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The Shogun seems to ‘Record and Display’, is that it ?.
The Odyssey “Records / Displays and has what they call “Monitoring Tools”, it is like having a portion of the Menu (on some Cameras) on the Device itself — so you get “Focus Assist” Zebra, Waveform Monitor (even if your Camera has no such Features).
Atomos is HQ’d in Australia, where the Product is assembled is unclear.
Convergent Design’s Products are: “… developed, designed, manufactured, tested and serviced in our facility in Colorado Springs, CO by product designers, engineers and technicians …” (Quote from their Website).
The ‘OP’ was concerned about “waiting weeks”, I only mentioned that there are other Video Recorder / Monitors to look at while he either waits or chooses not to wait.
I believe the Shogun has monitoring tools too, based upon what little I’ve seen from demos and vague marketing tools – at least focus assist, and waveforms. The Shogun is ridiculously big for an on-camera monitor, the Odyssey super sizes it. A 4″ Shogun that uses C-Fast, CF, or UHS-3 SDXD would be welcome for sure. I’ll still probably end up buying a Shogun anyways, because there’s not much else out there right now that will do the same job. (maybe A9 with on board 10 bit recording will satisfy me)
Why would you want it to use CFAST?! they are super expensive. Yeah it big, but being able to use cheaper SSD is a godsend.
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Talk about overpriced at $1995.00, how would you like to be the marketing guy that has to move Atomos Shodun 4K recorder inventory…
Most other 4K recorders are more expensive. Gratical EVF coming out soon which is only an EVF and not a recorder, and lower resolution is more expensive. It’s a bit big at 7″, but other than lack of timecode input, can’t find any fault with it or the price.
I don’t think it’s overpriced. It’s actually one of the cheapest 4K records on the market if you consider the licensing fee and expensive media for the 7Q.
“taking into account our high standards of reliability.” Yeah…..nice scapegoat.
Panasonic does not delay its cute Shogunissimo since no cute Shogunissimo is required to record 4k with its GH4. Not sure how many Sony users feel inclined to buy a Shogun, a stone or even a Shoshun.
What’s a 4k recorder anyway?
You wll see the difference when you compare the footage.
Does the 4k recorder polish each and every bit it records? Now that would impress me!
I like 4K and use it a lot in projects but I don’t see myself putting an external recorder on the A7S it just seems so wrong.
Perhaps you should take a deeper look, what (visible) amount of information is already lost, when 4K is compressed with a h.264 codec to 100 Mbps and 4:2:0 chroma subsampling.
4K is not equal to 4K…
You haven’t seen Panasonics own Proprietary add-on brick then? Its as bad as the shogunissimo. You need it to record full quality output, the GH4 does not record full quality internally.
You may not know it, but you’re in the same boat as the Sony people: More money needed to make the most of your camera..
All these external options scream one thing: I BOUGHT THE WRONG CAMERA.. or something, same with all te stupid rig stuff.
Yeah, except the Gh4 absolutely falls apart in low light. I’ll stay with my full frame a7s that can adapt to any lens 😀
Sony learned an expensive lesson. They should have made their own 4K recorder in their battery grip.
How about using a *memory card*? Millions use them. Compare that to the seven people who are desperate to get a ….. Shogun.
Seriously: the GH4 sells extremely well – compare the 5000 units which are produced every month to your preferred number of Shoguns and it becomes clear that Sony is not even entering an important market. It is clear what is required asap.
Unwieldy doodah = Shogun.
How much? I could buy a Blackmagic for that much, and the bit rate and color quality would be higher. In fact, I’ve already got one (albeit limited to 1080p), and it cost me exactly 395 pounds last summer. Perfect companion for my A77, and no need for the sizeable rig Sony+shogun + long shoot psu will all take!
What a load of cr*p. The BM cameras are really nice, but cannot do some of the stuff a A7S + Shogun can do. (Coming from a person who actually have been using BMCC, BMPCC and BMPC for over a year.)
Yeah fair point, they can’t do low light, and you are not full frame, but you do get a more faithful 16mm look (and you definitely get more editable footage).
But that’s not my point – my point is price. Sony can’t offer much vs £395!
And the claim that the A7S + Shogun will requre a long shoot PSU? As if you don’t need it for BM cameras? BMPC battery life is sub 20 minutes! People complaining about E-mount camera battery life have obviously never touched a BM.
I get seven hours on a Anker Pro 2 (that’s about normal, lots of users report similar), and the fact that the sensor has a Peltier cooler means I don’t get thermal noise if I actually shoot that long continuously. An Anker Pro 2 is about £50 on Amazon. So no problems on that front, including (again) price.
So, you are okay with adding a brick to make the camera do what you want. The same thing with the Shogun. And please don’t complain about the price. $2000 is not expensive for probably the best low light 4K imaginable in the history of video. Kubrick would have cut off an arm and a leg to have this gear when shooting Barry Lyndon.
Absolutely. I keep the brick in the bag, and charge it between shoots, allowing me 20 minutes at a time hand held with nothing except a monopod and loupe, really really light and basic. Couple of wide SLR magic hyperprimes (and my sony lenses for mid to tele), and it works. for me. Oh, and beautiful raw output, looks fantastic once you know your way around Resolve.
Just in time for the onboard 4k solution. What a joke.