The Sony RX100M3 is still leading the Amazon camera ranking (see the list here). Also the Sony A7s is doing well but is falling behind after reaching top 10 yesterday.
But now let’s take a look to some very interesting info about the camera shared by sites that actually had the RX100M3 in their hands. And there are actually some info I am sure most of you were not aware of like 5axis stabilization and the new “AA” aspherical lens type:
Image Quality:
ePhotozine: The camera features a new BIONZ X processor as used in other Sony cameras – this offers improved detail reproduction technology, diffraction reducing technology when using smaller apertures, as well as improved area-specific noise reduction.
Lens:
Dpreview: Sony is immensely proud of one of the technologies it has developed: the combination of two aspherical lens elements. This has been key to allowing such a wide and bright lens to be built into such a compact design. The lens can focus as close as 5cm at wide-angle and 30cm at the long end of the zoom.
ePhotozine: This is designed to enable better background blur and portrait shots in combination with the brighter f/2.8 aperture at the telelphoto end of the lens – a noticeable improvement over the RX100 and RX100 II.
DSLRmagazine: Note that of these 10 elements (lenses) 9 are aspheric, which certainly represents a record for a compact camera. The up to 3 stop ND filter comes handy seen that the maximum shutter speed is 1/2000.
Trustedreviews: Focusing distance has also improved with it now able to focus within 30cm of a subject at the long end of the zoom.
Photoscala: The lens has 9 aspherical elements and two of them are “AA” (=advanced aspherical). Lens is definitely not a Zeiss Biogon because distortion is corrected in camera.
Autofocus:
ePhotozine: Focus features have been updated to include: Lock on AF – continuously tracks moving subject, Easier auto focus area settings, Eye-detection auto focus for portraits, Auto object framing, MF assist, Focus peaking, and a Zebra mode has been added. You can also customise the size of the of the fous point, setting the size from large, medium and small.
Trustedreviews: Auto-focus performance was as good as we’d expect with the RX100 II locking onto subjects with minimal fuss, even in relatively low-light conditions.
Speed:
Trustedreviews: Claimed to operate three times faster than the previous Bionz engine, the RX100 III maintains a maximum ISO sensitivity of ISO 25,600 and is capable of shooting at up to 10fps in its Speed Priority Continuous Shooting mode.
LCD:
Dpreview: While the LCD has a total of 1.23 million dots, the actual resolution of what you see on the screen is VGA – 921,000 dots worth. The difference between those numbers comes from Sony’s WhiteMagic technology, which has a fourth white pixel, which allows for both a brighter screen along with reduced power consumption.
ePhotozine: The 3inch screen now tilts forwards to enable “Selfie” shots or group shots.
EVF:
Dpreview: At the push of the button, the EVF rises up and turns the camera on and off when you put it back down. If you look right into the EVF on engaging it everything will be blurry, but that’s because you need to ‘pull’ the finder toward you. Once that’s done you’ll be impressed with the quality of this OLED display, despite the 800×600 pixel SVGA resolution (compared to XGA on some other Sony cameras). The company stresses the value of the Zeiss T* coating on the EVF’s outer glass, which attempts to reduce reflection on a finder with no enclosing eyepiece.
ePhotozine: It can be used to switch the camera on when activated. It also features eye-detection. The EVF measures 0.38inches in size, which is larger than most other compact cameras, which tend to use a 0.2inch EVF.
Trustedreviews: It offers a clear, bright view with good clarity, despite the resolution not matching that of the clip-on viewfinder offered for the RX100 II. Fundamentally, it’ll be more than good enough for most users.
Photoscala: There is a bit of lag when you move the camera very fast (but still it’s a very good EVF). And at the end I used the pop-up viewfinder more than I used the external EVF on the predecessor.
Video:
DSLRmagazine: It has clean HDMI output.
Trustedreviews: Dual video recording will also be appreciated by those who’d like to record high quality AVCHD/XAVC S footage alongside a smaller MP4 format file that’s easier to share.
Extra 3mm thickness:
Dpreview: The extra depth of the camera isn’t particularly noticeable though it restricts, still further, the number of pockets into which the camera will comfortably fit.
ePhotozine: The camera will be available with an optional leather case, and a rubber grip that attaches to the front of the camera is also an option.
Photoscala: While the camera became 3mm thicker it only weights 1 gram more than it’s predecessors.
More:
DSLRmagazine It’s the first RX100 series camera with Playmemories APP support.
Another first for the RX100 series is a 5-axis stabilisation system, which should help to ensure steadier movies are created.
Photoscala: Sony didn’t unveil the pricing in Europe yet.
Here are the full updated preorder links to the A7s and RX100M3:
Sony A7s preorder in USA/CA at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), Sony (Click here), Sony Canada.
RX100M3 preorders in USA at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), Sony (Click here).
RX100M3 preorders in Eu at Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, BE, AT, CH, SE, NO, FI, PT.
RX100M3 in Asia at Amazon Japan.
Sony A7s EU pages (no preorder yet): Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, SE, FI, PL.
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Wow… so Olympus gave away the golden fleece & Sony dumped it on a point-n-shoot. Worth $800? Still debatable since touchscreen is absent.
To be fair Olympus waste the major advantage of such an IS system namely video on cameras with distinctly mediocre video. No give me aGH4 with Olympus 5-axis and then I am interested
in the last few days many detractors and flamers fumed “no ibis – no buy”. Ok, now it is revealed that the RX100 Mk3 does indeed have 5-Axis IBIS and suddenly it’s the lack of a touch-screen that’s the deal breaker. moving target? or just whining for the sake of trolling?
First the whiner/flamers were decrying the missing multi-function shoe as the deal- breaker until they found that most real camera users know that such claim is ridiculous in a tiny like this.
It appears as though this flaming troll will say anything to discredit everything but Canikon.
Hell! 5xis IBIS! 120fps! BionX! I smell future mirrorless is getting more serious possible!
5 axis? If that includes the “roll axis” along the line of the lens (like the EM-1), then that surely can’t be achieved using optical stabilisation (which is what DPReview reports is the stabilisation system). The Olympus compensates for “roll” by effectively rotating the sensor along the line of the lens axis. In other words IBIS. Alternatively, it could be done electronically (not good), although that approach might be OK on video.
Of course, it may be some completely different “axis set”, but for now it sounds a bit odd.
Maybe it’s not true sensor-shift 5-axis, but the “false” kind that Panasonic used in the TZ-40, i.e. regular optical stabilisation combined with some electronic processing to simulate the effect of 5-axis stabilisation.
It looks like it’s video only, so that’s entirely consistent with electronic stabilisation (which is common on video – not much use for still). So mystery solved I think.
I have a hard time believing that it is 5-axis stabilised as is implies sensor shift.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtDotqLx6nA&feature=youtu.be
Hi guys, this is one of the most inaccurate video ever done. Kindly check.
f1.8 is f1.8 even in different sensor sizes. Only the depth of field is different. I just dont want this video to affect how people think about sony, olympus and others mentioned in the title. You can see the bias in this video given that nikon, canon and others have cameras that have the smaller sensors. just plain BIASED.
Dpreview has similar charts showing that the manufacturer’s maximum f values are deceptive. The widest apertures on a m4/3 doesn’t have the same “look” or outcome as a full frame . There are no shortcuts. This doesn’t denigrate these smaller sensors. People just have to realize how to use the math consistently.
Yeah but exposure wise, they’re not different, as mathematically the f/ number were based on exposure. An f/2.8 lens on a FF will have almost exactly the same exposure values as an f/2.8 lens on a Mobile phone with a 1/3″ camera sensor. But, of course the DOF is dramatically different,
That’s just the point. The average consumer sees the max aperture is 2.8 and thinks wow I can get that beautiful bokeh I see in all the magazines. Not so fast. Manufacturers are not shy about advertising the multiple for focal range but this doesn’t tell the whole story.
Oh yes, of course I notice that. What I was trying to tell was some people got confused whether the sensor sizes affect the Exposure and DOF with the same f/ number or not.
That is incorrect DOF and total light are different. The problem is how you are looking at exposure. Or do you seriously think that an F2.8 1/30TH image at 800 ISO on the Sony RX100’s will deliver the same results as F2.8 1/30TH image at 800 ISO on the D4S.
There are only 2 facts to remember :
1. Total Light = Exposure x Effective Sensor Area.
2. And exposure means= The total light per area (photons / mm²) that falls on the sensor while the shutter is open
Identical Aperture, ISO and shuttertime gives you a correctly exposed image independent of sensor size. Noise and DOF will vary. The information on the video is also correct, but kind of looking at it from the other side. If I use a vacation camera, I don’t plan on taking a studio photo, but I want to know if I can make a correctly exposed image without needing a tripod. You might as well say that giving the weight in gram is missleading. Yes, 5 kg is ten times as heavy as 0.5 kg, but if you have to drag it around all day, the difference will feel bigger since the 0.5 kg camera will barely be noticed while the 5 kg camera will be a real bother, and a real bother divided by barely noticable is more than 10 :-). What is misleading in the video is the heading “How Sony, Olympus and Panasonic cheat you”. Guess what, Nikon doesn’t put a 35mm equivalent for the f-value for their system 1 lenses. And guess what, Sony makes full frame cameras and might enter the medium format arena soon (the sensor is allready made as you know). But if people are able to look past his bias and attitude, there are real information in the video.
Enlighten me? I don’t know exactly what your points are, but seriously speaking, I couldn’t find any difference on a photo shot at @f/2, 1/30. ISO100 with an FF camera and an inch-size sensored camera Ev wise. Of course, DOF will be dramatically different. As far as I know the f/ numbers are based on the ratio of the focal length and diameter (which of course differs within sensor sizes).
No its not just DOF it is total light gathered that matters , Total Light = Exposure x Effective Sensor Area. And exposure means= The total light per area
(photons / mm²) that falls on the sensor while the shutter is open. This is not debatable it is a simple fact .Though obviously not quite simple enough.
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Damn.. 5-axis stabilization !
I guess that Olympus-Sony exchange rumor is for real.
if so then we should see an Olympus camera using Sony sensor in the future.
5 axis for movies only… -_-
:/
I got too excited to see that 5-axis on A-mount cameras
But for movies only .. I don’t care :/
Why do you shoot static subjects in very low light a lot
No but it will be great addition to a-mount
So, done with electronics …
I believe the EM-1, EM-10 and EM-5 plus maybe more, already are sporting Sony sensors. That’s why the big jump in IQ/DR for these cameras over older 43 models
Didn’t know that Sony is manifacturing micro 4/3’s sensors
Yes, Em5 and Em10 use a Sony sensor. Em1 has a sensor made by Panasonic.
Em5 and Em10 have a Sony sensor. Em1 has a Panasonic sensor.
E-M5, E-M10 and all the current PEN models have the Sony sensor, but the E-M1 sensor surprisingly have turned out to be made by Panasonic (according to Chipworks). Strange that Panasonic hasn’t used OSPDAF in any of their own cameras yet.
Big jump maybe over the ancient 12mp sensor , over the GH1etc not so much decent advance in DR .6 of a stop regards high ISO maybe .25 of a stop.
“exchange” in the sense that Sony is taking over much of Olympus, including support and distribution. Olympus is not a subsidiary, since it maintains its brand and, for now, manufacturing, but neither is it completely independent.
I found this on Wikipedia :
“On September 28, 2012, Olympus and Sony announced that Olympus will receive a 50 billion yen capital injection from Sony. On February 22, 2013, Sony became the largest shareholder (11.46%) of Olympus.”
Didn’t know that
This camera sounds like it has some impresive tech for a compact camera.
Note that my comments yesterday about exmor sensors being obsokete do not aply to this camera…it uses exmor R which is a newer technology and particularly well suited to smaller pixels and higher res necessary in compact cameras.
The diffraction reduction should also be usefull with the higher res.
For my uses I would love to see an extremely long focal lengh version..possible something to compete with the rumored nikon p700 with 24-2000mm equivelent and 1″ sensor.
Yes such a camera would no longer be compact..in fact it would be quite large..but it would be far smaller and more portable than a ff.
Alternatively a compact A mount version and mayby offer a few lenses specifically formulated for the small sensor.
Speaking of exmor R sensors…the rumored ff curved sensor camera is supposed to be an exmor R and as such might be much higher resolution than current ff sensors.
rx10 – 1 inch sensor – 24-200 lens.
The rumored nikon p700 will have 24 – 2000mm equivelent ..not a typo…if the rumor is true.
Haha, read it as 200. My bad 🙂
A-mount version of rx100? The actual a-mounting hardware is practically bigger than the camera.
Ok then how about a new short mount that includes the 5 axis ibis and can take A or E…..or other….mounts with adaptors.?
5 axis + a-mount = sign me up, natively or with adaptor.
If / when Sony releases a hybrid mount camera, let’s just hope it does IBIS when in a-mount mode.
Glad to see your understanding of physics has improved Barry… maybe the RX10’s successor will have the reach you are looking for? I think it more probable they will keep the focal length range more modest though. Of course, you could just by the Nikon. 😉
All options are open however at this point the Nikon is still rumor with some possible serios limitations.
The sensor will be aptina..not sure of the quality.
Not sure what kind of quality such a long zoom can have…would preffer less on the short end because another pocket camera like this one can handle that.
So the Nikon is a big question mark now.
We dont even know if the rumors are even true.
Yes, the Aptina sensor is inferior to the Sony one. I’d love to see Nikon bite the bullet and source the Sony one instead. It seems crazy to me given that Nikon source so many sensors from Sony already. I understand they probably don’t want to rely on one supplier and wean themselves off Sony, but I think closer ties with Sony could reap benefits for both companies. Sony has invested huge sums in sensor research and production, and make the best sensors out there at the moment.
Also, I’d just like to add I’m pleased you took my playful comment in the spirit it was intended.
Looking at all the improvements to RX100M3, I’m getting more and more excited about the next FF A-mount release. Hope we can hear something from the Admin soon.
As mentioned below, the 5 axis is only mentioned in relation to video 🙁
I was wondering about that. To me, that’s great news!
Is it 5 axis optical? DP review implied it is, but I’m not sure how that would work…
Great Job Sony… Some welcoming upgrades from the already great RX100I and RX100II.
Still waiting for A88 or something like that! I hope it’s going to be miles better than the A77II!
Just curious, but do people really cram these $800 cameras in their pockets to gather lint or get sweaty if it’s a hot day outside? That just seems nuts to me
Yes. I do and it’s still punching above its weight.
Cameras don’t sweat, unless you mean sweating through your pants into your pocket. If that’s the case, you have other issues.
Guess you’ve never walked around in Arizona heat before
I do all the time. I also knock around my a99 and it’s been rained and snowed on. Cameras aren’t babies, they tend to be the most durable item in a camera bag (excluding tripod or grip stuff. Next up the fragile list is a lens. Many can be knocked a bit, lenses with external zoom or stabilization are more fragile then primes or internal zooms. I’ve found flashes to be the most fragile. I’ve broken a few canon 580-2 flashes.
I have the case where I can have it hang on my neck. That feels more comfortable to me as it feels very awkward in the pocket and I already have so much in my pockets. So that made more sense to me. For the original rx100 I mean but yeah I don’t baby it. Its meant to be used.
http://i58.tinypic.com/10d8whi.png
The size compared …
Useful stuff.
Thank you.
If you see here the Nex3N with 20mm pancake, what is all you need for tourism, the 12mm it is thicker will not make a big difference to put it your pocket, me NEX-7 with that lens fits in my pocket without any problem. Same as the GM1 or the Nikon 1 shown here.
For sure, if you use sticky tight jeans, you have no chance to do so, not even with the Rx100. Now, a 3N with the 20mm and the 16/50 zoom lens cost you actually 650$. Is there then really a reason to buy any RX100 for 800$. I know, the Zeiss lens story and view finder will come now, but i can live without it and take the better IQ as an advantage. My pockets are big enough to put 5 RX100 in each of them. If yours are not, buy other pants.
If your pockets are big enough for clusters of 5 RX100’s in each, perhaps you’re wearing something not intended to be “pants” on your torso….
You do love to tell people what they should buy, don’t you? Do you think other people can’t weigh up the pros and cons of a product for themselves? Oh yeah, I forgot. According to you, 98% of camera buyers are idiots, who only want a travel camera and should stick to using their phones.
smdh
It’s the best camera! Read here: http://newcameranews.com/2014/05/17/sony-rx100m3-crowned-best-compact-ever-made-by-cult-of-new/ 🙂
that is my new favorite website!
You are just trolling Marco. That site has become quite boring. 🙁
Come on, it’s a funny website, don’t take it so personally and smile! 🙂 I’m not trolling, it’s funny to see the hype when a new camera is released. On that same website there’s a funny article about desperate photographers realizing that their new camera is not improving their skills. It’s written in a funny way but it helped me keeping my feet on the ground and keep my G.A.S. at bay.
Having said so, this x100 mark III looks like a great back up camera and if I have those money to spend, I’ll buy this or the forthcoming Sigma DP2 Quattro.
(Damn GAS)
My G.A.S. stopped after I acquired the EP5 and bought a fotodiox adaptor. Now I even use my Sony Zeiss with it. Works like a charm. Seeing as how 99% of all of this stuff won’t make your cat look any better, I’ve moved on to lighting. Just bought a 600W Promaster to go along with all the other stupid lighting I don’t need in my garage. But, I will say, lighting is really fun. If you want to add spice to your photography, skip the next lens itch you get and buy some strobes.
I don’t want to carry around strobes when walking in my mountains or when I’m dodging tourists in Venice streets. Not to add that in some places, museums, events, strobes are not even allowed. And I love playing with the available light. I agree that strobes are almost mandatory when working in studio.
GAS has a positive side: it make you want to go out and try and play and use the new gear. We should not expect that it will change our life though.
Made me laugh
Has anybody seen on the hands-on test if the flash is bouceable?
I saw one quick hands on by CNET, and they demonstrated that it IS bouncable. 🙂
Thanks
Ok WTF. I just tried to bounce my flash but it just landed with a sickening thud on the cement!!!
Mine certainly didnt bounce!!!!
Dude, you got it all wrong. your suppose to bounce the flash on the ceiling. Give it a good chuck, it’ll then hit the floor and bounce back up. That’s how you know you did it right.
does it have interchangeable lenses? no? so who cares. give us FE lenses!!!!!!!!!
The rx series brings in substantially more revenue than the a7 cameras, so you know…a lot more people than you care. You are not sony’s lone customer.
any data to support your claim? ofc not so stfu. ofc A7’s generate way much more revenue. don’t be a troll.
FF cameras are pretty much a niche accounting for 8-9% of the market. Despite the per unit profit . Far far more RX100s will be sold than A7 models just as Nikon will sell many times more D7100 than they will D4’s
WHERE’S YOUR DATA???????????? oh wait. you don’t have any. it’s just pure and simple retarded speculation.
Popular photography sept 2015.
Ignoring your abusive ranting, think about it for just one second. Worldwide just how many people do you think will spend $6000 on a D4s compared to $700 on a D5300.
It is the same in any technological field , mass market { guess why they call it that ?} high selling products will always make more overall money than expensive niche products. It is simple economics. Perhaps when there is a grown up / nurse /carer supervising your internet usage they will enlighten you to the wonders of searching.
A lot of people post suppositions and confuse them with fact.
Don’t waste your time explaining something to an anonymous and obviously retarded person.
hey retarted if you are to lazy to google and search in cispa and sony reports, just load amazon.com and look at the best selling cameras and voila, hint rx cameras indeed sell a lot more then the a7 line in amazon.
I hear laser beams are selling at an all time high on amazon. Even more so than the A7 line. In fact, if you do a google search on laser beams, you see reports that note their the fastest camera not really existing at the moment. RX cameras also take more shots than the average camera- of cats, birthday cakes, cats and more cats.
He’s not your secretary…look up your own data.
ofc it does , the Full Frame cameras only represent a fraction of sony camera sales not even 10%, the cyber shot line sells a lot more.
that would only be true if FF were sold at the same price moron. you have to sell way much more small cameras to make the profit of selling just a single FF duh. it’s basic economics and mathematics.
riskinhos, why dont you go risk some hoes somewhere else…
You’ve overstayed your welcome!
any data or just trolling again?
Even if I had data, you wouldnt believe it. You’re here to fight and be a fool for the world to see. And I’m tired of it.
I’m not here for data, I’m here to put you in your place.
so you are just here to troll then since you have no evidence whatsoever to support your claims.
that would be true if the rx cameras here cheap, but they are pretty expensive so your logic is flawed, and btw do insult all people that disagree with you, you make portuguese people look bad.
your logic is flawed simply proven by the production numbers of cameras. rx is completely meaningless compared to interchanable lens mirrorless cameras. it’s so expensive for what it offers that only retards will buy it.
so your saying that the thousands that bought the rx100 are retards, or maybe they just want a good camera that fits in their pocket.
Flickr Stats:
(source: https://www.flickr.com/cameras/sony/)
RX100 is ranked number 1 and has had nearly 9 million photos uploaded that were taken with one.
a7 is ranked third and has under a million uploads.
RX100-2 is ranked 7th, but it has 50% more uploads than the a7 with over 1.5 million photos from it uploaded.
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It’s safe to conclude that the RX series, particularly the RX100 line is very important to Sony. It’s been updated (significantly) every year since its inception and is a broad success. Perhaps if you upload another 8 million photos to flickr from your a7 to exceed the rx100 then Sony will custom make you the lens of your dreams at a price you deem fair.
where are the sony profit margins and sales figures for the cameras? because that data is completeley wortheless and meaningless.
A) Where is your data? It’s with your online work samples – you, unlike me, are unable to produce it.
B) How do you think stock analysts come up with their ratings and guidance? They cull data from a broad variety of sources (3rd party sales figures/resellers, usage data, factory shipping estimates) without getting any official information (until after the earnings announcements, at which point it is too late). Many electronics companies do not release sales figures for individual products (apple will not tell you how many iPhone 4s sold vs iPhone 5 – they only give you iPhone sales). The RX100/2/3 bring in not less than double and up to 10 times the revenue of the a7/r/s cameras + lenses. This also might surprise you, the Canon rebel cameras make Canon much more money than the 1d cameras.
A) YOU were the one that started making claims without any data. and you produce shit. there’s not a single evidence to support what you said. Also, I work at sony.
B) couldn’t care less. still no data.
I supplied data that refutes your ignorance and like a true troll you criticized my data and in the same breath defend that I need to supply more information while you do not have to supply any.
Just like your photos. I supplied mine, but you are too big of a you-know-what to show anything you pretend to produce. You do not need any more lenses since you have no vision.
where’s the data reviling sales figures and profit margins? SHOW US SINCE YOU KNOW SO MUCH.
You’re a fool. Everyone knows it.
Just go away. You’re wasting our air over here at the Sony boards.
“And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
so where’s your data to prove what you say?
Provided already. Where is yours?
You received what you deserved. Where is your supporting data that refutes my source? It’s no where because you are, as usual, wrong as everyone else who has commented has attested to. You have nothing to offer as support, nothing to offer photographically, nothing to offer of intelligence – you only have the whining cries like a 2 year old.
Christopher is right. FE cameras blow. No-one buys them except you and your pathetic friends.
So just drop it.
Where ever you look, you will find out that the number of shots that are posted from A7 cameras is marginal. There are much more people shooting smaller cameras, Sony’s A77 gets the most posts in the brand. RX100 is in the center of the field, it light be leading in some sites, but not on all of them. The largest amounts of posts are still held by Nikon cameras, also in the FF field, Nikon still leads, this being due to the fact that they where among the first manufactures to offer FF cameras together with Canon. Unfortunately Canon’s 1 cameras where so expensive since beginning that FF was a marginal format for long time, until Nikon D700 saw the day. But all over, FF is still marginal compared to the smaller sensor market, and one can simply attribute that to the pricing of lenses which are quiet expensive compared to the offer you find in APSC and 4/3. With camera companies struggling more and more, like Nikon and Sony, this could change in the future and Sony has already started selling cameras at more reasonable prices. Unfortunately, RX100-3 is not in the field, since it is 25% overpriced. But this could change in near future, so let’s wait and see what happens, at the price they sell it now it’s simply too expensive for most of us. But this is something anyone has to decide by his own. If you think it’s worth the money it costs, buy it.
That’s because NO ONE except a few niche photojunkies with more money than sense want to buy the A7 series cameras.
The RX cameras have their place, the A-mount cameras have their place, and the E-APSC cameras have their place.
FF E-mount? Pure stupid, being purchased by stupid.
Yes , the other brands still lead overall. This “discussion” ( if it can be called that) is focused solely on Sony. You, I and all the commenters know that the rx cameras bring in much more money than the a7 cameras except the one troll yelling at everyone without saying anything.
Amongst all brands, the rx100 does well though.
“A7’s generate way much more revenue.”
Any data to support your claim?
Does this means pop-up view finder and 5 axes stabilisation on the replacement of the RX1? Add to that the curved + 1.8 zeiss lens that we saw in that patent and we have our “king of compacts”
Ps (sony): produce a wide angle converter for ppl who need wider than 35mm focal…
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/uploads/post/4965/images/713/large_dsc_rx100m3_lifestyle_wmen_expoct2015_2_1200.jpg
5-AXIS IBIS must come from your four fingers and your forehead. LOL!!!!
If this douche bag can’t even pull off a convincing useable EVF, imagine how ST0000PID the rest of the Sony fanboys will look when they use it!
Oh wait. Sony fanboys don’t do pictures.
Too busy TROLLING on websites.
SAD.
The purpose of this picture is to demostrate how tiny the camera is.
The model is doing an excellent job of that.
The fact that you commented on how rediculously small the camera looks testifies to the success of this picture.
the purpose of this picture is to show how stupid the camera is. agreed. the model does an excellent job doing that.
The pot calling the kettle black. The irony of it all.
Dang, that is small….too small! Just my opinion.
The latest breaking news.
Nikon sales have droped
Nikon stock is plummeting
Nikon is undergoing restructuring.
Across the industry sales of full size cameras are droping. Many interpret this as consumers not wanting full size cameras anymore but I see another major factor.
Inovations are being made to alternatives such as compact cameras, cell phone cameras etc, and new better technology is finding its way into these alternatives.
In the meantime Sony…the biggest sensor producer…is trying to keep the full size camera segment locked into the same old bayer sensors….consumers dont want that obsolete crap anymore.
Stacked sensors have been available since 2002..but not for mainstram cameras.
Sony is still sitting on thier 54mp stacked sensor while expecting us to buy obsolete exmor sensors.
The next generation beyond stacked sensors is already in the works.
Graphine is a single atom thick molecular crystal carbon sheet.
The potential of this materiel for sensors is enormous.
So Sony…get stacked sensors off the shelf and into full size cameras already..and start working on graphine.
Chill the f down man… No need to write the same comments on every damn post. If you are so fed up with actual products from the market, build your own camera, shoot film or stop photography… But stop that maniac stuff man, you are scaring ppl here
What other post have I talked about plummeting nikon stock, or inovations to alternative cameras, or graphine? If people are scared that exmor is obsolete they should be.
In what other post have you mentioned obsolete sensors? In what other post you have mentioned how much “we” needed new technology?
Just stop using digital technology because you are one of theses ppl who will always be loosing their time waiting for what’s next… Just drop it man, you seem to be hurting yourself that way… There is plenty of fantastic tools out there already to let you go on with you creativity as a photographer…
I state my views in each of my posts over a wide range of topics..so there will be consistancy in all of them.
And no I will not stop posting..you are however welcome to stop reading them if they offend you.
They don’t offend me.. I just feel bad for you, that’s all… I hope that one day you ll just be happy with what you have, more than with what you could have.
I agree with this. Barry seems depressed, continually straining to reach something that isn’t there.
You may have your views, but you are NOT welcome to post them here.
This isnt YOUR board. And yet you spoil each new post with your ignorant and entitled babbling garbage.
We will always fight stupidity.
What a stupid remark.
Even Barry himself admits he is repetitive, but it’s certainly not your place to “police” this forum, which is NOT yours either.
Kenneth, if you dont want to read it, dont read it. Are you really that weak minded?
You fear my views and you fear that people will listen to them.
If not you would not put so much effort into silencing me or discreditting me.
In the case of todays posting we all fear what we spend our money on today will be obsolete tomorrow, and we all know stacked high resolution sensors are just around the corner.
Your approach is dont tell anyone and mayby it will go away.
My aproach is to make lots of noise about it and hope that helps speed things up.
It may not help at all but it cant hurt.
I state what I think is the truth.
You can dispute my version of the truth, offer your own version and mayby even change my opinions.
You cannot however shut me up and not only is the attempt far more pointless than you claim my comments are but they give me MORE credibility.
Do you not realize that I make far more comments responding to criticism than I would if you ignored me.
You cannot however ignore me and that is part of what upsets you.
Once stacked sensors arrive, they’ll be obsolete too. Something else will be right around the corner. What a shortsighted foolish perspective.
And I’m not sure how a few lines of text in one post is “lots of work”. You’re ridiculous.
BTW, no one has to try to discredit you; you discredit yourself quite well!!!!
That is true..there will always be something new just out of our reach.
I actually need 54-150mp.
I will probably always want something better but 54mp will greatly improve my workflow.
So if Sony really wants to stop me from complaining give me the camera I want.
Contrary to what my critics believe I do not senselesly complain about everything but rather have very specific comlaints and am very consistent in what I want.
Nikon is profitable year after year with its cameras, and its profits have actually increased.
Sony has never been profitable with its cameras, continues to lose money on them every year, and is already spinning off other money losing consumer product lines, such as PCs and televisions.
The same “innovations” are offered by all camera vendors.
If you think sales of full size cameras are dropping (and they are) you haven’t been watching the compact camera segment, which is now approaching non-existence.
See todays Nikon rumors.
Actually, Nikon profits have been declining, and they have been forced to cut their profit forecasts several times in the last few years. It’s unfortunate that it is getting more difficult make money year after year.
As for your all camera vendors offering the same “innovations”, I would beg to differ.
The point is that though the profits are reduced they are making profits, the imaging divisions of the major mirrorless players Sony, Olympus & Panasonic have made huge losses year after year.
The overall interchangeable camera market is in decline { mirrorless actually fell slightly more than DSLR’s last year } . The biggest losses are at the hands of what could be argued are the most “innovative” companies
The fact that the innovators are the ones losing money is unfortunate, but the market is saturated and these companies have not yet been rewarded for their good work. They have no choice but continue to innovate, however. That is, if they want a fighting chance to gain market share in the future.
I was responding to the poster that stated that Nikon’s profits have been increasing. They have been declining, actually. The long term projections do not auger well for increasing profitability in the DLSR market segment.
Sony’s imaging business is profitable in some areas, unprofitable in others. They need to make products that are compelling to more people. The RX series, to me at least, are innovative, desirable, and great performing tools.
Say what you will but the guys a main attraction around here. His comments may be a bit crazy, but at least he attempts to back them up with useful research. And if you getting sick of his comments- how much time do you spend on here? If your spending that much time, shoot film or actually do photography…..but stop harassing someone because they’ve expressed their opinion.
Your comments are the stupidest of all, and yet you school people? Your mum must be desperate, she will use a condom next time.
Your comments are horrible- they completely ignore grammar and spelling. You must be desperate- maybe you’ll use a dictionary and spell check next time.
It is Graphene. “Graphine” is unknown and if it is ever seen, would not be stable. A crystal requires 3D arrangements atoms.
Graphene itself will not see any realistic sensor application for a good decade. It is a dream for some at the moment. Dreams can not make photos.
Buy a Sigma Merril camera and happy shooting. 🙂
Graphene is a flat carbon moleculat struture where all 4 covalent carbon to carbon bonds are linked to the adjacent atom in a 2 dimensional flat sheet.
This shares many characteristics of a crystal but you are correct that it does not meet the clasic definition of crystal.
If you csn tell me the correct term for this type of structure I will use it in the future.
It is also correct that this is a future generation technolgy and still very much in the research phase.
As for the Sigma Merrill…its a Sigma camera, what more do I need to say.
Vivek
I checked and graphene is defined as a crystaline allotrope of carbon with 2 dimensional properties.
Therefore it is indeed a crystal.
I did however see a molecular diagram in which it appears to be a hexagonal array with each atom bonded to 3 others rather than 4.
I am not sure if that means that each atom still has a free attachment point or why there would not be 4.
I am a little confused about how the structure works and will need to read nore about it.
Barry, Graphene is essentially a 2D carbon polymer with uncertain ends (a chemistry background would help understand the structure). Don’t get caught up with these “definitions”. Even understanding the properties of segments of graphene is at its infancy at a fundamental level. It is a long way off to get to sensors for imaging.
Based on what I am reading…
I understand why you are calling this a polymer and there are to my knowledge no other examples of a 2 dimensional crystal.
However based on my understanding of what a crystal is I believe tbis material meets every criteria to be a crystal therefore I will call it a crystal.
Since we now have a 2 dimensional crystal I believe the definition of crystal will eventually need to be changed to include 2 dimensional crystals.
It is even possible that now that we know 2 dimensional crystals do exist we may discover other examples.
Speaking of crystals, the Dark Crystal was one of the best movies of the 80’s. This has nothing to do with cameras….continue please…..
Totally agree.
I really liked that movie.
I think I figured out how the structure works.
Carbon normally attaches at 4 points, however in order to fit a 2 dimensional structure with the points equidistant it must have only 3 atacment points.
That would require the sharing of electrons similar to a metalic bond in order for the structure to remain stable.
That accounts for the fact that graphene appears to be the most electrically cundutive materiel ever discovered.
This stuff is pretty amazing. I cant wait to see what can be done with it.
Good job! 🙂 It is one atom layer of a stack from your pencil “lead” (which is a mixture of graphite and clay). Ancient stuff but got more attention since Novoselev peeled and isolated one layer (which termed “graphene”) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Novoselov] with a scotch tape!
wow dude, you are annoying and delusional always spamming about stacked sensors and 32mp in apsc, news flash I´m happy with bayer sensor and 16mp in apsc.
Crop is crap.
The general consumer have no idea what a Bayer sensor or a stacked sensor is. The only people who crave new sensor tech, are tech junkies and gearheads like yourself. The current sensors allow us to take fantastic photos, and if your photography is lacking in some respect, then it’s likely your fault, not the camera’s.
Everything’s easy to criticise, most things are hard to do. Please build something significant yourself, using whichever future tech you choose.
And I will eagerly await your response to endlessly repetitive, unreasonable, and pedantic guttersniping and ravings from your imaginary customers…
This is because those manufacturers are ‘too passive’ and there are not ‘serious competitive’ among themselves. They are not release their good stuff to us. Incremental releases more than revolutionary releases for those gadgets.
If you see what happened at Mobile Arena, users enjoy the most such benefit from the ‘serious competition’ among phone manufacturers. As you can see if you are not fast-innovative-competitively-gorgeously to offer you product- you are ended up like BlackBerry LoL.
But we are not seeing BB story happening in Imaging segment here LoL… oh yeah -that HS but is quite irrelevant in comparison LoL…
PancakeCanNinnyPussyPuss, go home, you’re drunk
LoL… I am so sorry Dan!
I agree with your statement.
The pace of introducing new technology is being deliberately slowed to reduce the cost of competition.
I am not pleased with this because I fear the camera I so much want will not be released until I am too old to use it.
Yeah! There is news about Canon working on their first Feveon sensor. Canon have silence for quite long. Not sure if this they want to do in 1-2 years time.
Not sure specifically what news you are referring too…perhaps you can provide a few more details.
I am aware from canon rumors that canon is working on a high resolution stacked organic sensor but do not know details.
I also know that in 2010 canon anounced a 120mp H size cmos sensor.
My understanding is that canon has agreed to wait to release thier sensor at the same time or shortly after sony releases thiers…not sure which of these sensors they will release.
So Sony still controls the release date at which time all the major manufacturers will release their next technology sensor.
Sony sensor will be in the Nikon camera and probably some others.
Aptina is also working on a new stacked organic.
As I said these will all hit the market at the same time and Sony will determine when that is.
Canon Rumors recently had a CR1 on Canon coming out with Foveon-like FF sensors for both mirrorless and DSLRs but suggests taking it with a grain of salt: http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/04/new-sensor-technology-coming-from-canon-cr1.
I don’t find theories suggesting industry collusion or companies sitting on technology to milk existing technology further credible. As I’ve said before, we know Sony is working on Foveon-like tech because of patents they’ve filed in this area. However, unless someone can point me to at least a SR3 rumor I’ve missed, there’s not a shred of credible evidence (and is a SR3 even credible?) we’ll see one in the foreseeable future.
If you can only make 1 camera purchase in the next couple of years then I guess you’re stuck waiting for the Foveon mother load. I dunno. I’m not that patient. ;^)
My statements about working together on release datesare based on conversations with individuals and observations of release dates.
You will not find any evidence of this as no one is going to admit to it.
Therefore you can legitamately not believe ne but the differrent companies will all release comparable products at about the same time regardless of what the reason for it is.
I borrow few words from a people whom replied in my early comment:
Most of the canikon 2000+ don’t do even 60p….. 1800mp<, with AA filter, 6fps<, no flip mon, no focus peaking, line skipping video, poor liveview… Etc,.
"People just never fulfill"
Thanks for 120p frame rate @720 !!
Did I understand the Sony Europe Mgr Video right at 3:48 :
You can now switch between NTSC and PAL ???
if so, finally !!!
Been the same for all Bionz X equipped models, including A7 series, a6000, RX10 and now RX100.
Yeah I know that Sony is having trouble too, but it’s looking like Nikon is going to be Sony’s first Victim: http://www.slrlounge.com/nikon-fails-meet-financial-projections-restructures-company
Nikon doesnt ‘get it’ and they’re falling apart!
I agree! Nikon is headed toward the swirling water.
Nikon is not yet Sony’s kill.
Sure, Sony has been stalking Nikon, and raising Nikon’s heart level, but Nikon is starving itself to death because it cant figure out how to find nourishment.
Make no mistake about it though, once Nikon dies of natural causes, Sony will consume it’s carcass.
Nikon isn’t getting killed by Sony. The digital camera industry is in decline. It’s affecting Sony and Canikon. Isn’t Olympus pretty weak? How’s Fuji and Panny doing? Who’s going to be left standing when all’s said and done?
I’m guessing part of the answer is who has the deep pockets to survive this and a core system to hold onto the pros and photo nerds who seem the most likely folks to hang around until the bitter end throwing cash at every new body or lens that sends a tingle up their leg.
Canon is doing okay in side businesses like photocopying machines. They have a strong core fan base and keep topping the charts no matter how boring or stale their products look. Samsung is a bit player but they have pockets so deep and so much tech to leverage it isn’t even funny. They’re the new Sony as electronic conglomerates go.
Sony itself? They have so many sick divisions even doing less sucky than Canikon is in imaging, they’re still shrinking and have nothing but boat anchors dragging them down.
I don’t think Nikon is in a worse position than any other camera company. It’s still the dilution of the P&S market affecting them all. Some comments here have said how the guy looks stupid with the EVF on the rx100 but what looks more stupid is someone taking pics with an iPad. Yet the iPad’s are taking over even at weddings these days you see people using them.
Sony TV, Smartphone division are losing money too. The one I heard PS that making profit have eventually turned to losing money as well. Since Sony is doing pretty well in Imaging Division. They must continue on this momentum and make their product more serious at least 6mth-9mth leading among the industries. Believe this window time is enough for them continue new product cycle and stay advantages to other competitors.
But I doubt they will. In one of the example here. Sony is a major sensor manufacturer. They already have newer sensor technologies in few years back but yet introduce to the market. Unless Sony is getting desperate in their business. or else Sony wont ‘initiate’ on this step in their imaging business. If the sensor leader is not doing so, I dont think we can see others doing this though.
If you read the last 2 quarterly Sony financial statements they’re seeing year-to-year increases in the Imaging Division operating revenues which has moved them from the red to black but it’s due to favorable currency valuations. Their camera sales are slipping. Canikon, based on the results I’ve read, are doing worse but the entire industry is circling the drain.
What puts Sony in worse shape than Canikon is their TV and PC businesses are boat anchors around their necks dragging everything else with them. Didn’t they just announce axing another 5,000 employees to stop the hemorrhaging? If they only had to worry about imaging they’d be treading water at best.
Nikon and canon are the only two large companies with profitable camera division. They’re not doing great, that’s for sure. Nikon in particular has no other business to prop up the camera unit.
It’s a shrinking market. It’s hard to survive in ANY shrinking market.
Most western companies would have dropped their consumer imaging divisions by now.
Hmm.. I just suddenly have this though –> Why RX100MKIII have so much upgrade but not A77MKII? Because of lack of 1 generation of release? Do you agree?
Your opinion is yours. My opinion is that the A77II was MORE than just a minor upgrade.
I’m extremely impressed with the A77II. You’re not. Quit b1tching about it!
Good to hear that! Enjoy your A77II LoL…
Wanna show me a better crop sensor SLR type camera? Anyone?
Really, you’re going to say that the RX100 is a more serious photographic tool than the A77II?
Good. Another freak here on SAR….
Just don’t engage them…
Or do because it is too fun hearing what they have to say for themselves. ABB is the best example. Retired old idiot who thinks he is important because he just discovered the internet. DPR is full of them.
Earl Fargis is also particularly retarded (and good mates with ABB).
Did you own the the old A77 ?
Yes, why? I still do, until my pre-order comes in. I had to give back the model I was testing.
So what is in the new A77II , A77 doesn’t have ?
I’m pretty sure that’s already been covered. What are you looking for specifically?
Nothing just asking, major changes are in AF system and image processor that’s all (and I don’t care about video so I don’t know what did Sony add to it)
Is there is anything else added ?
Considering that the #1 major gripe general consumers have with cameras, is that they’d wish the AF were better (not the IQ, which is sufficient for most people nowadays), I’d say that the A77II is a major upgrade.
I don’t think that a77’s AF had any problem, sure the a77II AF is much better but if the upgrade was only in AF I wouldn’t go for it, for me the problem with the a77 was the low light performance.
Bionz X proccessor is doing well in a7/a7R compared to the A99 and I’m sure that a77II IQ is the main reason for the upgrade
Because the biggest upgrade to RX100 III is a) EVF which the A77 already has and b) faster lens which the A77 isn’t fixed lens? RX100 III is more expensive than the model it replaces too, which A77 II is less expensive than previous model, which is also a kind of ‘upgrade’.
What I mean is total number of upgrade in RX100MKIII vs in A77MKII; then we evaluate each of the upgrades, it seem the RX100MKIII are the more serious upgrades than the one in A77MKII;
you need glasses, it’s urgent.
Simple. Because A mount is DEAD. LOL LOL.. ..LOL LOLOL
Dumb question. What does LOL mean?
Lots Of Leica
Laughing Out Loud
Little Octopus Lips
A mount is dead, Canon is dead, Nikon is dead….long live the 50MP organic stacked sensor IPAD!!
I don’t think that there is anything new they can add to the A77 other than new AF system and Bionz X image processor.
The Bionz X will make images much better .. When you compare RAW files of the A99 and A7 you will notice the better sharpness and noise reduction of the A7 although they are using the same 24MP sensor, personally I have both of them.
I was hoping for 2 things for the a77 upgrade :
1- no AA filter
2- a customizable front knob like the one in A99.
What do you think Sony should add to the A77II ?
Let it be Made In Japan the seal of quality but this might hard to happen since the first rx100 was the only series made in Japan come on pls Sony im hoping so much my dream camera best ever was fr japan. Like Fujifilm they still upholding this important philosophy
WTF RU talking about? Some Fujifilm cameras & lenses are made in china, Thailand etc… They are not ALL made in Japan
For your sake, I hope it’s made on the dark side of the moon.
Do you really think it makes any difference at all which factory what assembles a camera according to the specifications that mgmt have set up ??
Yes, I’ve seen som lousy China made stuff. But I’e seen some lousy american cars also.
Sorry, but its made in China.
About the “5-axis stabilization” : This is not true, it is that rx100iii uses both OSS and Digital image stabilization for video, just like the a6000.
What I want to know is just how good this ‘new’ lens renders OOF areas wide open…..
From what I heard, it doesn’t render OOF areas at all.
From what I heard, your the one getting pound by animals.
Very good. So well in fact that if you look close enough you can see magic fairy dust in the bokeh. It’s that good.
http://www.cameraegg.org/sony-rx100-iii-sample-images/
very good
It renders pretty well from those pics. Shame no specs. I’d like to know what ISO that night shot with those colourful doors is.. Also what FL and aperture on the others…
This camera is illogical to me- from any perspective. It’s not cheap, it doesn’t give you the fastest performance. It’s just expensive and pointless. It’s pointless! I like the pop up VF- that’s a genius idea- it really is. Olympus must be kicking themselves for not doing something as simple as this in their PEN series years ago. But that’s my point- there are to many good alternative M43rds cameras. Slap a pancake lens on it, save 500 bucks and your good to go. This just doesn’t make sense.
You might be right, but you are the miniscule minority here.
Hmm…my guess is if your on this site you probably already own some Sony gear. The idea of dropping 1k on a compact, non ILC and gripless camera doesn’t make a lot of sense. The polls also showed that most people on this forum weren’t planning on buying it. Who is then? I don’t know, but it’s not the majority of people on here.
The majority DID want to buy this camera.
Yep, your right…..just went back and checked. Last time I checked I could have sworn it was negative. Well, then I’m clueless. I seriously don’t get the final appeal. 800 bucks! For that kind of cash I’d just buy an Oly or Panny.
It’s the idea it covers most of the ILC bases in a small bundle you can stick in your pocket. If you think of it as a P&S $800 is ridiculous, I agree. If you think, as many SAR visitors do, Zeiss glass is a well-priced bargain when they discuss ILC lenses then, heck, you’re getting a nice Zeiss zoom lens with a ‘free’ RX100 camera attached. ;^)
No, the 1″ sensor isn’t that good but it’s close enough for many, if not most, casual use cases serious amateurs are interested in.
Its your money dude.
How about we wait for the images to start coming out?
does that change anything to the 800 bucks
If you can spend it and think it’s good value, yes. If you can’t, or don’t want to, then no. If the IQ is there, and if the boxes it ticks are then ones you need, then $800 is reasonable.
If you don’t need it to fit in your pocket, then there are lots of options available. Go with one of those …
That’s because they pay you, keeping you from starving.
until they saw it costs 800 bucks.
It makes sense when you take size into consideration.
But if size is a factor, then Olympus and Panasonic is the way to go. More options and access to incredible lenses including pancake lenses. If you want small, that’s the best value proposition on the market from what I see.
If size is a factor, sony makes the smaller camera.
GM1 is smaller.
without lens, slightly…lens attached, no way 🙂
http://camerasize.com/compact/#491,555,491.397,ha,t
Smaller if you use it with no lens.
RX100 III has a fast zoom lens, try using an equivalent lens to your GM1 and you lose your compact size
@ razec: just wanted to say that F1.8 on this small cam is not the same as F1.8 on m43, APS-C or FF. The reason why this would not concern me too much is related to the excellent, sensitive image sensor Sony uses.
It will, however, be difficult to play with DOF using a camera with a small sensor. m43 + prime lens (e.g. pancake) leads to very good results. APS-C (prime lenses) would satisfy 100% of my expectations but it is bulkier (the same is true for m43 + high-end prime lens).
Conclusion: there is a reason why the GM1 (which is too small for me) is popular.
try to change the lens on Rx100-3, you lose the game. For tourist shots, you need 24 – 35 mm, nothing else, so with a 12, 14 and 17mm fast lens on a 4/3, you do all. GM1 with the basic zoom costs less then this one. The silver version is sold 675$ with the lens, and, you have still a bigger sensor. There is no VF, but no one sees that on the picture anyway. GM1 is smaller, with a pancake not much thicker and you have much more flexibility.
“There is no VF, but no one sees that on the picture anyway.”
Many would disagree.
“For tourist shots, you need 24 – 35 mm, nothing else”
How did you google this out?
omg you dont get it, right….please go and try to put your m43 camera in your pocket….tried it? get it now???
Oh I get it and stand by my statement.
M43 is the system with the worst quality/price ratio, and the worst hype/quality ratio. It is the con of the century.
All lenses are a product of a 100% digital design and optimized for the M43rd format. That IMO is worth a lot of points right there. Worst quality- again, reference something and attempt to quantify your statement. worst- in terms of what? How? Price- yep, it’s overpriced but you can acquire any generation or two older camera for at least half of what it went for brand new.
I own m43, c, ff, and an rx100. My choice often is to leave all the big stuff when not at a paying job or when I want the best iq. I place the rx100 in my pocket and off I go. I still after a year enjoy what it can do. Come on who owns just one camera. Enjoy them all. Anyway I have done the m43 route for a year with the best glass and it doesn’t give the best iq. There is to much hype about m43 for me. My conclusions come from actually owning all types of gear.
I’m the real Gordon!
What exactly is missing in terms of IQ? I shoot both full frame alpha and M43. I can’t agree with that answer. What lenses were you using? Any of the Zuiko prime are fairly solid offerings.
So you keep FF for tracking autofocus only, otherwise, you see no difference between 135 and 43? Here is a tip for you child: photography is not for you, sell all your toys and shoot with mobile phones.
There is a difference-yes. However, it depends on your viewing medium. Average sized pictures, especially small to thumbnail size on facebook- sorry, your full frame advantage won’t show there. Here’s a tip for you child, you don’t know what your talking about either- it’s all subjective. You still haven’t shown me pictures, referenced any online articles or anything for that matter. Sorry, after looking at my pictures I still think it doesn’t matter in most applications. It’s not as dramatic as people like you would have others believe. I also shoot medium format film so don’t tell me I’m just an M43 fanboy. Yes, in large prints (and I mean large) you can tell. Medium format in terms of sharpness and given the tonal gradation of film even beats 35mm digital- it’s very noticable- with LARGE prints. But again, it depends on your choice of viewing medium. For most online viewing I find it inconsequential.
Well anything is good enough for most online viewing. Compacts are good enough. Photography is something else!
Well, photography is what you make of it and there are different approaches and entry points for everyone. As far as viewing, only 2% of pictures get printed now. Even professionals are viewing pics mostly online. If they aren’t their clients are. I’m attempting to look closer into print and investing in my own light table for my medium format film set up. There is something to be said about large prints- but I’m in the minority. I’d be careful what you classify as photography.
Don’t
get me wrong its a cool camera (though very pricy) and all but now we
know they are going to be coming out with them every year. So in that sense of
regard, I feel they are holding back on some features or they want to
try some things out and see how the consumers react to them. Don’t be
surprised if next year’s model brings back the hotshoe and the missing
30mm while retaining the lens speed of this model.
All that and 4K video recording.
That and a pair of testicles
live in the now and use the camera you have. the moment you realize that you dont need the latest cameras to take good pictures this whole technology thing will bother you very little. and thank god there are a lot of other good cameras you can buy today – one of them might fit your needs.
Don’t worry about me. I still use the original rx100 I got in august 2012 and have shot 5000+ pictures with it to date. I just like discussing the new stuff and technologies as they come. Buying them not so much.
Nice camera, with a seriously complex lens. Wouldn’t it be nice if Sony put that much effort into their interchangeable lenses? I suppose aspheres are harder to make in larger lenses.
Asphericles are more necessary for wa. In longer lenses they serve very less fumction.
I meant larger as in larger in every dimension. Like for larger sensors.
“5-axis stabilization” became a buzzword. They have stolen it from Oly (they should have trademarked it :)). But obviously there is no IBIS here and as far as I know it works only in video mode. Has anyone found a link to the user manual? It should be available if the camera can be preordered.
and the fact that Oly is now part of Sony says…?
Sony uses only the term not the IBIS. Sony was always slack using terms. I bought the A65 and thought the IBIS worked in video mode and after some weeks of negative experiences and research on the web realized that it had only electronic cropping stabi (+1.7 crop factor for video).
Olympus is not part of Sony in any way. Sony invested a lot of money in Olympus, and they formed a joint business venture called “Sony Olympus Medical Solutions Inc.” They also reportedly exchange camera components.
Such investments and joint ventures are common in the business world, and is not the same thing as actually acquiring another company, or part thereof. So Sony has not bought Olympus, like they did with the Konica Minolta camera division, or like Ricoh did with Pentax. Sony and Olympus are still rival companies in the camera market.
Sony probably should buy Olympus.
the only test now is how “pocketable” this camera is. I mean my iPhone5 is still way slimmer..
I picture the Nikon 1 design team now; all sitting quietly staring down into their tea!
I picture the Nikon 1 team being beaten with bamboo sticks by their managers.
And after the brutal bamboo beating, the manager whispered to all the engineers lingering on the floor :”It will be Harakiri next time for you all…”
I guess marketing division false…
I dunno. Reading the Nikon fanboy sites the short read on the Nikon 1 problems is mostly all about using rubbish Aptina sensors. Not sure the issues behind Nikon sticking with Aptina junk when, in the past, they’ve gone Sony with some sensors and Sony’s 1″ sensor is heads and shoulders better than Aptina’s. I’d blame the accountant who probably got a good deal going low bid sourcing parts.
The other big problem the Nikon 1 Vx pro line has I hear a lot of whining over is the same issue the RX100 series have and is comically illustrated by the image of some model striking a manly-man pose awkwardly shooting with an RX100m3. It’s too funny and the Nikon DSRL fanboys gripe mightily about the teensy tiny Nikon 1Vx ergonomics. You can tell from Nikon throwing mud at the wall from V1 to V2 to V3 trying to find a layout that doesn’t require the Heimlich Maneuver to snap a pic it isn’t any easy problem to solve. ;^)
The A7s is down to #71 now. Few more days to be out of the 100 list.
i counted the one vote will buy, that number worth $1.3mil 🙂 how real i unsure about it
holy cow these are important news…
Absolutely important to me! The faster they crash out of these lists, the sooner they will be available for a fair price.
Look, I paid 1200 Euros for the NEX-7 (body only) at its debut. Just became more cautious about how the prices play out.
still on top of the mirrorless ranking tho
Lots of options out there folks, Yes the new Sony RXIII seems to be a great cam but dont just drop nearly a $1,000 before doing your homework. My little Samsung EXF2 is also a nice option that as always gone under the radar. And dont forget the new Sony A6000 lots of options out there! NX300 is also an amazing option for under $500 with a full APS-C sensor.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hydroracer/14026626737/
There are many small PS cams that have many of the specs listed in the new RXIII with ND filters etc.. well under the $500 price point. My now sold Oly. XZ1 took amazing shots.
Samsung EXF2 Sample below
https://www.flickr.com/photos/hydroracer/13739581933/
Wow thanks for the recommendation. Never heard of this camera but the images look great!