It’s a bit surprising that 2 months only after the A7-A7r announcement the price of the A7 and A7r cameras dropped considerably in Europe!
Instead of the original 1499 Euro for the A7 you now pay 1189 Euro in France (Click here) and 1314 in Germany (Click here).
And instead of the original 2100 Euro for the A7r you pay 1994 Euro in France (Click here) and 2015 Euro in Germany (Click here).
Don’t know the reason why the price in Europe (and Europe only!) has been lowered by that much. Anyway, that’s great news for EU readers because they are pretty much used with having high prices compared to Asian and North American countries 🙂
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wohhhh that’s a huge bargain. I paid 2000 for mine. 🙁
Lol good job so you can thake your rubbish a7 instead of the “kikingass” FUjy Xt1!
don’t compare apples to bananas, 16 mpx aps c vs full frame
I think that there is no need to be rude or offensive; you seem to prefer the Fuji, that’s fine. Others prefer Sony, Canon, Nikon, Leica, Hasselblad, etc… and that’s very fine too.
I got my A7r from the Singapore Changi Terminal 3 Sony Shop for 1,524 Euros… with an international guarantee of course.
I prefer my A7 over that anytime. It’s a pretty amazing camera. I could use image stabilization though, but that’s what my A-mount camera will be fore since I’m using the A7 mostly for outdoor stuff. I’ll be getting the a99x2 along side this camera so I’m quite content. Just wish I could have gotten it for this price also.
you put $ sign on euro now?
Actually, the $ is a sign for money. Any money. Any currency.
The thing is that in this United States-centered-world some people believe that $ means “american dollar”. No, it does not.
Nonsense. There are few currencies that use this sign, but the Euro is not one of them. The fellow that runs this site made a mistake. So what? He does a pretty good job, considering.
Oh please give me a break
My comment was directed at Neo not you Marinus. The $ IS NOT the universal sign for currency
It may be so. But it is NOT exclusive to american dollars. So I’d say that Andrea made an omission (the Euro sign), not an error.
Omission how? You can twist and turn all you want, the dollar sign is for the dollar (US, Canadian, etc.) and peso only, not for Euro’s or any other currency.
BS. The dollar sign is a sign for dollar, US dollar and other dollars. The generic currency symbol is ¤. See Wikipedia: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_sign_(typography)
What a NONSENSE! The ppl in the US are so self centered they actually believe their $ symbol is a symbol for currency. Ever seen € £ or ₤ HK$ S$ kr, RS, CHF? Wake up! Some south American countries sometimes don’t know what to write for their Pesos even though it should be P so they use the $. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency_symbol
The new euro price for a7 is close to US price. A7R is still expensive compared to B&H US$ prices.
Making rooms for the up coming “SURPRISE”?
Its not a surprise really. Its a fantastic camera, just no market for it.
Come on dude. A7 is far from fantastic.
IQ: I expected it to match RX1. I got lower metamerism index (worse colors) and lower high ISO performance. I guess this is a payback for “faster” focus, which turns in practice to be just as quick as pure contrast detection on A7r and less consistent. Stupid sony marketioids.
And ghosting problem. This is just a disaster. I have never seen such an annoying weakness in night shooting: ghosts, huge light leaks.
Trust me buy an A99 you’ll be doing yourself a favour.
Economics: The law of supply and demand. Believe it or not, there are plenty of people still willing to pay the full price for the A99.
Why does Sony drop the price on their new wunderkind but blindly keep a99 where it is (and don’t give me ‘grip and flash’ b.s.).
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Because it continues to sell well. The A99 is an excellent professional camera. I’d have no qualms about buying it over an A7 or A7r. I’ve used it for over a year, and Its still my favourite camera.
The best Sony combo for a wide range of activities is still an A77, and a A99.
Or maybe there’s plenty of market for it?
what a price!!! in the US it is not even close. At such price, I am sure many will jump in
The A7 will catch on once its drops below $999.99. At that price it’ll easily become Sony mainstream FF camera, whether is a DSLR or not.
It is not $1189, it is €1189. Big difference 😉
1189€ inc 20% VAT(sale taxe) that’s 990€ excl VAT ie $1339
(price advertised in the US not include local sale taxe, while price advertise in Europe include local sale taxe)
In a years time it will be selling for $999.99 USD.
Don’t worry guys, the camera will be worth jack in 6 months time.
By that time the rumored Zeiss manual focus lenses will be available. 🙂
Great timing! 🙂
Don’t worry, by that time, Sony will release a new mount….
That is the problem with Sony products: their life cycle is way too short, which makes any newly released Sony a bad investment. Always wait a few months, then buy at 30% less.
I am waiting for that magic 30% figure. Just a few more weeks… 🙂
Hmm, you have a point, I wonder if it has to do because of the camera being mostly electronics.
Even Olympus did the same thing in SEA, a few months after they launched the EM-5, price dropped considerably which made many buyers choosing to wait for EM-1 price drop instead of pre-ordering. At least that’s what my dealer told me.
It’s a camera. Not an investment.
And if you don’t care for innovation get a Canikon.
Guys – from EU – does anyone of you know if there are any restrictions in waranty or any other issues past the obvious increased delivery times if you bought the camera from the french amazon.fr instead of your local country dealer, such as amazon.de? Thanks
Typically there is a national warranty and European warranty. The national is most times 2 years while the European one is typically one year. This is what I have seen on my A700 that I bought from UK. Also all my gear I purchase in Bulgaria has 2 years locally.
I guess the local one may vary and may be is 3 years in some place or one year in another.
Nikon had warranty extensions that were only applicable to the country where you bought a camera.
Karol, I phoned Sony Central Service UK this afternoon.
They confirmed to me that they WOULD repair a camera under warranty if it was purchased in France.
I think all Sony cameras come with a Sony European Warranty, but you may want to check with your local Sony repair centre (Germany?) that they would cover cameras purchased in other EU countries.
I think I’m going to order an A7 from Amazon.fr. I’d love to support local independent dealers/retailers in the UK, but a £200 saving is too good to turn down. I guess it shows that rip-off Britain is still alive and well. The funny thing is, I bet that a camera ordered from Amazon.co.uk is shipped from the same warehouse as a camera ordered from Amazon.fr.
Wow I’d totally buy it at that price… Come on a7 drop in price I need you
In Moscow, Russia: A7 = 1223 Euro // A7R = 1766 Euro
Its not a superior all encompassing alpha FF and therefore commands a lower price. Heck, there are compact point and shoots out there with faster AF. People will get use to the novelty and move on….on wait, they already have.
I see it two ways really. You have the superior dslr, which by the way keeps getting lighter, with all the sick bells and wistles and did I mention perfect ergonomics. You then have micro four thirds on the other end with a crap load if lenses all designed exclusively for that system…..small…small….super fast AF, superior IBIS. Whats in the middle folks???? A FF mirrorless severely limited that wants like Chris Farlley….big guy in a little coat. Doesn’t work does it?
AF Speed i not as bad. In good light it is just about as fast as DSLR.
It is poor light that makes AF sluggish and so confident. It is usable sometimes, other times just switch to MF and things work quite well. Focusing is not really a bad side of these cameras.
The light leak and unexplained ghosting with 35/2.8 are bigger issues IMHO. Though to be honest I did not encounter either on my camera in unbearable amounts. There is light leak but it is very small i.e. 20 sec at iso 25600 produces few red dots. I will try this is good day light see if there is change. About the ghosting it seems to be 35/2.8 lens issue – may be combination of lens plus camera…anyway 55/1..8 does not seem to show this as much.
Just repeated the light leak test under bright sunlight. I was first amazed to see a fully white frame at iso 25600 and 20seconds exposure. Then half of the frame was lit at iso 3200 and then I thought of closing the aperture down to f16 and wow! No light leaks any more….Seems the much discussed light leaking was done through the lens cap! iso 6400 at iso 25600 has no more than noise. May be a little bit of something in one corner could be some light entering the system as isio 1600 was pitch boac and on iso 6400 there is some grey that does not blink….
It is sensor + lens, not just lens. When I had my A7 I felt ghosting and flaring were stronger than on 5n. And there are direct comparison A7 vs A7r: http://erphotoreview.com/wordpress/?p=4431
So, my feelings were right, it is a problem indeed.
Your issues look more like a lack of coating on old lenses to me rather than a problem from the sensor.
Are you mentally retarded?
Yeah I’m so retarded that I thought you older than 13.
Stupid, it was A7 vs A7r comparison.
I’m retarded…can you say potatoe…..my a7 helps me with good picture fo my fancy dog. He like no crop sensor fo clicky clicky sounds are fun.
Looks like it. I mean, a problem.
Emacs: Thanks for the link!
Flare is stronger this is true. Is it a problem…Not really. Actualy comparing to my DSLR lenses and cameras A7 is amazingly good with flare
It can be a problem. Just take a look at simple nice pic:
http://www.penta-club.ru/forum/uploads/post-20115-0-54670900-1391439571_thumb.jpg
It would be much better with not so pronounced ghosts.
I agree with you the pic you posted there looks like the sensor reflection problem that happens on the A7 and this is a problem.
Did you get the issues with A7r and the 35mm f2.8 or with the A7 and same lens ?
I’d like one but it (A7) really serves no practical purposes, because of its limitations. The contrast AF, lack of an internal stabilization system, and loud shutter need to be addressed quickly. I’ll probably pick-up a A7 when the platform’s limitations are addressed, it price is lowered, and more lenses are available.
1634 euros TTC in Paris for an Alpha 7R….
Which shop?
1525€ for an Alha 7r at la Fnac during the black friday back in november(15%off + gift card, which wasn’t possible but they made a mistake).
And I’m also one of few who ordered the mispriced FE 24-70 fa Zeiss for 475€ also at la Fnac (order confirmed).
Lucky me
Haha, nice!
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Saturation of consumer demand!
This is one and…what CONSUMER SHOW rings with its cochones in 2 Months?
hmmm… so waht do you think?
And the normal Priceparagaph, every month the price of a cam goes down 5-12%
and so on.
so why should i give 1200,- if the manufacture knows that it is 499,- worht and
so on…. tic tac tic tac….. riing my beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel…
and… think it is a PRETTY MUST IN ASIA TO SHOW
” hey foulks look it is expensive ia am riiiiiiiiiiich i am a giant.. ( idiot) ”
and this all on fatzebuuk.
” hey fooooooulks loook i am a star nexxt i will be in camp…camera-survival-hero”
Sony A7R is available for €1,948.45 in Poland, according to heise.de
Maybe Mr. Kimio Maki has a new idea for the next 6monthcamera……
I am writing from a kind of frustrated perspective, seeing great concepts just going down and being replaced by another good idea put into another halfbaken product.
If only Sony would stay and evolve what they have. We will see. Hopefully I am completely wrong here.
True for halfbaked camera…
A7r is great but 4k is around the corner.
In a few times, all cameras will provide 4k, even the cheap/beginners ones.
Sony need to get the video sorted out on the camera as it is, leave alone consider 4k.
Yes please!
All videos I’ve seen from the A99 are horrible
And nobody will need 4k at least for another few years
Reminder > 1189€ = 1257$
French price is close to US price.
Er €1189 = $1600 or am i missing something
Well, probably Sony found out they should have listened to me in the first place to sell their FF-NEX as cheap as possible to take this comparatively new market of Mirrorless Full Frame, where Leica has been too expensive for most photographers. Maybe Sony also found out they really want all these users with old manual glass to make them buy Sony’s still expensive FE Lenses later.
I need some advice. I am considering to replace my old nex-6 with the A7. But I’ve seen a couple of comments about issues like gosting and flaring. My question, will the A7 be a disapointment moving from the nex-6? I am very happy with my nex-6 except for the resolution and sharpness coming of that sensor. I would love a bit more punch in my images.
If you are happy with NEX-6, wait for a6000 – more of the same form-factor, probably higher resolution of sensor.
But sharpness probably limited by lenses. Not that I advocate buying the crazy-priced Sony 24/1.8.
I’ve got a bunch nice old minolta SR lenses. Autofocus and such lenses are really nice when drunk or in a hurry to snap or just catch something special. Otherwise I love the manual tinkering much more =)
This may not be the answer you are looking for but if you are having sharpness problems with the NEX6, I would look at photographic technique first before investing money in a new camera. A new camera is not likely going to give you sharper pictures.
No, thats not the problem, i get really nice and sharp images most of the time. I just find myself wanting to have a bit more in my images. By the way, isn’t that one of the reasons for getting a full frame camera? Getting more pixels, sharpness and details, right?
Perhaps I should rephrase my question, if there is anyone who made the move from nex-6 to A7, I would love to hear your comments – bottom line, is it worth the money to upgrade from NEX-6 to A7?
I had a NEX5, lost it in a taxi in September last year then replaced it with NEX6 & 35mm f1.8 OSS on same day. I took pictures with it until I got the A7r and Zeiss FE 55mm f1.8 and 35mm f2.8. Yesterday I got an offer for my NEX6 but declined as I am getting more good pictures with it. It is much easier to use than the A7r. Conclusion: I’d stick with the NEX6, buy good FE lenses rather than the APSC lenses then wait for the second or 3rd iteration of the A7r. Now if money is no object, get both but if you do, keep in mind that they’ll each see less use which is a pity as electronics depreciate and gets upgraded fast. But by the time of the 2nd or 3rd iteration other brands may have other different offerings…
Thanks, yes, i guess it really depends on the personal experience on how and what you are photographing. Weight, speed, pic quality, options in terms of being able to use legacy lenses are a few reasons for choosing the nex 6 in the first place, but actually I would not mind to getting a second camera. 🙂
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Supply vs demand.
Probably most people go for the A7R (I’ve seen it out of stock many times) while the A7 and A7 kit is always available.
I got a A7+kit, sold the lens and the camera ended up costing me just slightly above 1000 EUR. Good deal for a full frame, although I relly hope Sony can do something about the AF performance as this is the single really disappointing issue for me.
Low prices on bayer senor cameras is to be expected.
We are close to moving to new technolgy stacked sensors.
The current bayer sensor technolgy is soon to become ancient.
This generation of cameras will become less and less expensive as the new tech gets closer just like with tvs.
If you paid a lot for a new camera and then they became obsolete you would be upsst.
Even the best new E mount camera has a HUGE AND SERIOS DESIGHN FLAW…NO IBIS
This means it falls far short of the universal functionality evdryone is so hyped about and totally abandons A mount users.
If A mount users decide to switch to a new system because sony abandons them it wont be a new sony system.
Sony will need to clear inventory of bayer cameras because when stacked sensors arrive no one will want them.
That’s ludicrous. Even if we are moving to other sensor types like you describe, it will be many years before the switch is a majority of sensors sold. That has less than ZERO to do with dropping prices.
Dropping prices are much more likely to be due to manufacturing having caught up with the high initial demand and overshooting on the number of units made so that there is now an excess in the marketplace. That and 4 months after launch, there still is no native zoom worthy of the a7R in most markets.
EVERY HIGH TECH PRODUCT DROPS DRASTICALLY IN PRICE PRIOR TO AND AFTER THE INTRODUCTION OF THE NEXT NEW TECHNOLGY.
EXAMPLES crt tv, flat screen crt, plasma,480p tv, old computers, vacuem tube radio,,film cameras, projection tv, betta max, vcr, cassettes, last years cell phone model,…I could give endless example but the one that we are talking about is Bayer sensor cameras.
Stacked sensors are close enough that everyone knows the are coming soon.
When they get here no one will want a bayer sensor camer unlesd it is a real bargain.
Will you pay full price for one of these cameras knowing it will be totally odsolete in a year?
Yes I said totally obsolete because EVERY. color pixel they produce must be interpolated.
Not a single pixel is an actual real color pixel!
Stacked sensors produce real color pixels without interpolation.
Furthrmore anyone paying more than rock bottom price for a byer camera now will be very upset with that purchase when the stacked sensors come out.
I’m glad your convictions are so strong even though they have many flaws 😀
Do you belive that the A7 and A7r are successful for Sony that they already have to drop the prices ?
Oh, not having IBIS is not a design flaw. A design flaw is something that is in the product but does not work properly. No IBIS is either a design choice or a design omission but not a flaw.
Not having ibis is a desighn mistake resulting in a less usable therefore poorerquality product that iscompletely unusable for many people.
The fact that this was done deliberately makes it not only a desighn flaw but an engineering marketing and most of all management defect also.
You need to read the definition of a flaw 😉 It may be a product definition flaw or a conceptual flaw but not a design flaw. Something that was never in it to begin with can’t be flawed.
$1189 Euros, that’s really slow. One of the slowest prices I’ve ever seen.
In Luxembourg, A7R = 1899€ http://www.sonycenter.lu/photo-reflex-sony/3847-sony-ilce-7r.html
cool, now the only avaliable lenses are almost more expensive than the actual body…good work sony!
BTW your subject line displays $1189 in France. We do NOT have $ in France, its Euros € ! Also can you actually use the proper sign for it € instead of writing Euro. You use the $ sign and not write Dollar either.
The marked for middle priced productc of all types has dried up
The increascreased income gap has greatly reduced both the numbers of middle class and thier buying power.
Very expensive products and vety inexpensive products sell but middle priced product sales are dropping dramatically in every industry.
I bought my A7 in the week that it was released and paid the equivalent of 1150 EUR in Switzerland. This is not a Sony price drop, these are just stores adjusting the Euro price to the actual price.
No surprise at all. Sony missed in 8 years to establish a system. They started serveral systems — and then dropped it again before the system was complete. Now they present the a7/r — again with no lenses.
On the other hand, Olympus, Pana and even Fuji after two years, only, offer complete (Pro-grade) systems. So, why to buy in FF NEX without the hope to get more than two slow (kit-) lenses, when others have everything you may need in decent quality on the shelf?
The lenses have been the issue sin e the NEX5…
Well I have to say I am about to make the move back to Sony, this last year I have been watching and must say I think it’s time to come back to this system, I have been shooting Canon the last two years (6 years with Sony) But I think the A99 could be a great replacement to the 5d3. And maybe the A7r, I like the DR and color of Sony. Not only that I do miss shooting with some older Minolta glass… Not the same on a Canon..
Anyway started the process and we shall see how things shall fair..
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