LOL, I have been right! The Leica Mini M is an APS-C sensor camera with fixed zoom lens! These are the specs:
– Leica Elmar 28-70mm f/3.5-6.4 (FF equivalent)
– 16,1 Megapixel APS-C sensor.
– external electronic viewfinder can be used
– Full Aluminum body
– FullHD recording
– Bundled with Photoshop Lightroom.
Share the news!!! The Camera will be announced on June 11 according to Leica. (Thanks A.!).
UDPATE: Price is 2450€! $500 more than the Leica X2 (here at Amazon).
Specs in french (Click on the image to see the full size version):
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They actually called it M, even that it has no “messersucher” :/
No they didn’t, “mini M” was a colloquial term to place it inside the Leica camera family. They also called the X2 “micro M” and the point and shoots “nano M”, which were just relative terms to the real M.
fake!
I don’t trust it. Would that make sense? Made in Germany with a Panasonic AF-Zoom-Lense for 2450Euro with APSC. Unbelievable!!
“UDPATE: Price is 2450€!”
LOL
Wow what a slow 18-55mm kit lens – f6.3 at 55mm is pretty awful, especially given Fuji’s f2.8-f4 18-55mm zoom.
It stops at 46mm actually. 18-46mm f3.5-6.3 🙁
My god, this lens is so SLOW, and it’s not even compact!
For a lower price u can get a Fuji X-E1 with the awesome 18-55mm f2.8-4 o_O
Wow, what a joke Leica!
hahaha! FAIL!!
the idea was pretty good..but the lens is so slow..and the price..are they crazy??
2450 Euro is about 1300$ more than the X2 there.
wow… that’s pretty boring? Are you sure this is real and no fake?
I was not expecting anything lightning fast since it is a zoom fast but at least faster than than! Of course speed is not everything but other manufacturers don’t sell rubbish, too. My hope was a kind of Tri-Elmar with 28-35-50. Integrated viewfinder would have been nice too :-/
Leica! Y U DO DIS 2 ME? My hope died here.
Oh, that’s a Samsung for 2,5 k€, the only difference is that the zoom stops at 46mm. Nice!
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!
Need fast prime,1.4 or better not a big slow boring zoom.
Who buy this @¤$%µ!!!
I don’t know, this doesn’t seem right to me. The lens is just too slow. There’s no market for this, at any price.
Completely uncompetitive lens if true yet price will be dramatically higher than others with lenses that are 1-2 stops faster. If this is true, this is a very disappointing intro.
For about 600€ less, I have:
– samsung nx300 aps-c camera
– nx 85mm f1.4
– nx 60mm f2.8 macro 1:1 ois
– nx 30mm f2 pancake
– nx 20mm f2.8 pancake
– nx 50-200mm tele, ois
– nx 20-50mm compact tele
– nx 18-55mm ois
+2 flashes (cheap ones), 2 sd cards 32gb class 10
loL!
Yes, and IQ will be better!
Exactly 🙂
Just absurd, as expected. Same price as the Sony RX1 with its fabulous FF sensor and lens for an aps-c crap with a slow zoom?
You get a NEX-6 with the 15-50 pancake for 1500€ less.
Hahahaha!
I wonder if this is fake, on Leica lens the base of each letter is nearest to the glass, look at the X2 behind.
You can call the specs weak and the price silly high but that’s the pretty much same thing with any camera from the D-Lux-, V-Lux- or X-series of Leica. Despite that a lot of those Leicas have been selling quite good. There are probably enough people who put their emphasis on the brand and not on the price.
Seriously, it MUST be a fake. A silly cheap zoom on a Leica?! Leica rebranded 25mm f1.4 summilux and 45mm f2.8 macro from Panasonic: in my opinion this cheap zoom is just smoke to add hype & rumors. If not,I will look at the positive side of this stupid camera: I’ll save money for something else.
It also appears to have an aperture ring on the lens and the X2’s aperture knob on the top plate
Where is MF ring then?
No aperture ring on the lens. And the Aperture dial is just weird. Shoulda been exposure comp.
Also, look at the french spec list. “Made in Germany”? this is bogus.
I’m so disappointed. They relay had the chance to challenge Sony. I go for the RX1 now, makes no sense to wait any longer for a serious competitor of the RX1.
So, close competitor to Canon G1X, except the Canon’s lens specced better.
Again, no sane person would buy it.
This definitely is a fake…
I hope its a fake. Please let it be a fake!
s..tty germany, hail hitler! its way better a japanese sony nex7
Definitely a fake!
The actual focal length 18-46 is written on the front but then “70” is written on the barrel.
So what? On the Fuji X20 the actual focal length 7.1 – 28.4 is written on the front, and markings on the barrel are for the equivalent focal length: 28, 35, 50, 85, 112. Makes perfect sense.
The pictures seems too realistic to be a fake to me. But f3.5 – 6.4? Really? Even if the IQ is at its best (not-so-)wide open, that’s barely impressive…
Once you factor in the APS-C multiplier of 1.5 you will get the 28-70mm focal length. 18 x 1.5 = 27 ; 46 x 1.5 = 69 (I guess you round up 1 mm. So now you know it’s an APS-C sensor.
It’s a fake. I’ve never seen the lens details written the right way up around the lower front of a lens like that, they are always read in rotation….
That’s true. The words vario and elmar are too straight also.
Sony R1 did that.
I haven’t been this disappointed in a product leak for quite some time now. This “mini” M is actually a lot less portable/pocketable than the full size Leica M cameras.
Indeed the picture is bogus, as Andy mentioned “The actual focal length 18-46 is written on the front but then “70? is written on the barrel”, so the picture is clearly a Fake.
Hah Hah. Yes – clearly a PhotoShop fake. The biggest laugh is that Leica can’t even debate it without completely destroying their “gradual reveal” marketing campaign.
My prediction: APSC sensor and M mount – external EVF only. You can use all the M lenses, but no threat to the proper M cameras as not FF and no viewfinder.
If it is a fixed lens, what is that camera in the background ?
APSC and m mount would place it against the Canon M? Leica can’t do that at anywhere near a price point they want to do.
I mean, what Leica is thinking. Such a slow kit zoom lens. And you can’t change it. Truly disappointed. My slowest lens today is F1,8. I mean, Leica is offering now F5,6 for portrait shots???
46mm in APS-C corresponds to a 70mm equivalent, it is conceivable that leica wanted to label the zoom ring with the equivalent focal length number.
LMAO all the rich guys are crying fake when it’s not. Don’t worry, I’m sure you guys will see the fairy dust in the pictures when they are releases.
I can already hear the delusional chatter. Yes it’s slow but the quality is as better than a prime lens!
By the way18-46 is 27-70 when you add the 1.5x APS C multiplier.
Face it, Leica churned out another turd. They can’t compete with anyone else outside their M system.
Please people, can’t you tell this is a fake. And whats up with all you Leica haters? Buy a sony or whatever. You’re not being forced to buy or even like one of these obvious photoshopped fakes.
This lens is too long to fit in the box on their website…..
I wouldn’t put much stock in the image on the teaser being in any way accurate…Leica could just be using a box slightly opened as a more generic image…
I remember one time there was this Canon announcement coming with a box with a red curtain…and everyone hyper analyzed every little detail…and then it ended up being a disappointment…I think it ended up being a printer…and nothing like the image would suggest.
So Leica is under no obligation to make that box image in any way accurate.
“The one thing that’s been holding me back from switching to Leica is their lack of a 70mm (equivalent) f/6.4 lens,” said nobody ever.
It looks like a PS Panasonic 14-42 with Leica mark on it
I think a real one should similar the look and feel of original 4/3 Panasonic Leica lens as they have aperture ring , zoom ring and focus ring
Its a shame if Leica to making F6.4 zoom lens…. ( As shame than Olympus to make F6.7 zoom lens)
As Nikon / Canon one only goes to 5.6 with their 18-55 kit lens
I bet its a PS photo……
If that is real, then Leica should be ashamed.
The lens aperture specs are poor, and the price??? Why exactly is it so expensive? There is no excuse this time about it being a rangefinder etc.
Big Fake pic. No doubt.
Look at these letters: vario-elmar 1:3.5/6.4. They should be reversely written on the front of the lens, just like letters on the X2 behind.
Letters on all leica lenses follow this layout, even panasonic ones.
At least, mini M shouldn’t be as slow as f3.5-6.4. The letters on the front of lens in the picture has been modified.
Here is a sharp analysis! I totally agree with you!
Check the Panasonic 45-150 (not the X version). They look almost identical, the two rings and the spaces between them look the same.
I guess this his a fake.
I am french, and the “french specs” look very suspicious to me.
+1 : agreed. The french specs show grammatical mistakes
Strange:
I think i can read 18-46(?) ASPH on the front of the lens, but on the zoom ring seems to be written “50 70”?
No serial number on the lens?
And why is there an aperture dial – doesn’t make sense to me on a variable aperture zoom lens where the aperture depends on the focal lens.
“i can read 18-46 ASPH on the front of the lens, but on the zoom ring seems to be written 50 70”
Yeah, fake image: I’ve never seen a serious camera with equivalent focal length inscription on its lens.
not fake. It’s normal way of Leica to “talk” to their “FF experienced” people.
Admin is correct, the DIgilux 2 had the 35mm equivalents on the lens barrel, the actual focal lengths on the front.
To correct a post of mine earlier, the Digilux 2 also had the lens info printed “normally” (not radially) on the lower front of the lens as well.
Many bridges from 5/10 years ago used to do the same (like minolta Dimage, Sony DSC R1 for example)
“the DIgilux 2 had the 35mm equivalents on the lens barrel, the actual focal lengths on the front.”
You’re right, I’m wrong…
But this is confusing, even for ‘FF experienced people’ and inconsequent in aspects of product design. If they’re using equivalent focal lengths on the lens, they’d use is consequently.
I hear what you are saying. I’m sure the same discussion takes place at Leica.
However, how much use would those markings be? Ultimately, a camera is a functional object, not a tool for measurement. The closest thing the camera industry has to “angles of view” in practice are 135mm FL equivalents. Sure, angles of view would be more practical….but in practice, Leica is being pragmatic. Or the person that faked the image…..or both.
thanks!
This is getting ridiculous. Fullframe is a commodity in dslr land. But to use M or R lenses that I already own, with decent digital sensor requires spending $8k on an M240. Time to go back to following Sony and Ricoh.
Get yourself an X-E1 or X-Pro and the Fuji M mount adapter 🙂
Dump those lenses. Treat yourself to something useful in any one of the brands which are cheaper and better.
The “Mini M” alternatives are many: The Haselblad Lunar, for example, even offers an interchangeable lens body with “Mahogany leather”. LOL!
Leica! leica..!
please don’t waste your branch name. Please note that Leica fans is foolish, but does not stupid. keep on like this, consumer with step away.
Please LEICA!!!!
Make a X3 with Summilux 35 mm f/1.4 and/or
your first Leica Micro 4/3 with 3 new lenses,2 fast prime and a Vario-Summicron.
But if this camera is your real plan ,save your time and stop produce it right now.
f5.6 would indeed be sad, considering Fuji has one better and it s not even a fixed lens…
Surely if Leica were to create a zoom like this it would be a 28-35-50 tri-elmar lens. Competes with new GR, Coolpix A, X100s, NEX, etc, and would likely produce more IQ than standard zoom.
An X2 with sluggish zoom lens, no IS……..
Conceptually still exciting to me. Will this have better IQ than NikonA/RicohGR? Probably not. Will performance be better? Probably not.
Zoom is more flexible – Yes
Housing made in Germany – Yes, Leica feel will be there.
User interface straight forward – Yes, no scenes nor not every possible feature. Just what you need.
Will images have that Leica look?
What Leica does better than any other manufacturer is Lenses – will this new one live up to that? Maybe they sacrified speed to have quality.
If deliver better than X2 on IQ and performance I might buy one.
Must be a fake. Mr. Kaufmann cannot be that stupid (can he?)
f 3,5-6.4???? Ha, ha!!! Nice try geeks!
Panasonic, Lumix, will be the maker. They will then glue a Leica red dot on the body and jack up prices. Lovely launch indeed.
f3.5-6.4? Fantastic – just like Leica’s CM Zoom camera (2004):
http://www.photographyblog.com/news/leica_announces_cm_zoom_film_camera/
Looks real to me. The little red button on the top left near the shutter looks like some sort of new video recording button. Not sure who they were targetting with a high quality zoom camera, but the 24-70 range is a very popular one, and perhaps 28-70 will be equally popular. Just unfortunate since most cheapo canons, nikon and sony slrs have the same sensor and focal length range for about 1/6 the price. A FF version of the X2 like a Sony RX1 would have been a real killer.
I wonder what it’s called. It seems to say Leica X ___ in front of the hot shoe.
A neat feature: looks like you can focus it manually, or slide the lens focuser into infinity to get the “AF” function. Looks cool! If this was $1000, people would flock to it!
Wrong! If it was only 1000 euros, it would not be treated as precious and Leica would soon lose its following. Leica has to keep the price high, and higher. Those buying its cameras buy it for the prestige, the bragging right and the right to flaunt wealth. The specs does not really matter, as long as it looks distinctive, and that red dot is very very important, without which the same camera would only sell at $245 euros.
What shows i the glimpse inside the box on the Leica website is clearly not the same as in the picture published on the French website. For example, look carefully at where the curvature of the lens mount sits against the camera body. It does appear that this has been a spoof.
Leica Mini M is a total piece of shit. Who pays 2450 euros for 4 years old technology? At the same time you can have Sony RX-1 for the same price and it has FULL FRAME. Sony RX100 is way better camera than Leica Mini M. Leica just made it clear to everyone in the world that they have dropped.