On January 27 Olympus will announce the new PEN-F camera featuring the Sony 20 Megapixel sensor and a new Epson EVF (specs yet unknown). As a little detail I got this from an Olympus source: They specifically developed the camera after the Fuji X-E/PRO success. It’s their bet to “revive” the somehow weak PEN sales. But I am yet not sure if Olympus is too late in the game now. It realyl depends on price and features of the new cameras.
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To catch up with this genre Olympus would need to:
1. Get the basic functions (exposure, MF, JPEG quality) right. This includes coupling spot metering to the active AF region – a new one for Olympus.
2. Introduce lots of “analogue” controls (shutter speed, aperture, ISO and EV compensation).
3. Offer many more built in colour and monochrome profiles (“film” emulations).
4. Do something unique (e.g. square sensor).
5. Introduce two hyper-fast lenses, a normal and a moderate wide.
6. Give the camera a tough, weather sealed construction and an attractive cosmetic design.
All in all, the Pen F should migrate considerably from the current Olympus design philosophy. I’m not sure they are capable.
Strange reply especially point number 4. First the idea of X doing something than Y cannot do to CATCH UP seems odd. Moreover , Taking into account that Fuji X cannot shoot 4:3 while the Olympus can do both 4;3 and 3;2 makes your request even weirder
Most of what is in your list already exists in the m43 system.
I have all those controls in #2 on my lowly E-M10. I don’t know why there are people like you that insist on requiring dials that can ONLY do one thing, but hey, if you enjoy Fuji’s choice with dedicated dials instead of customizable ones, more power to you.
the X-Pro is unique and shouldnt be copied. And can’t be copied! The Hybrid Viewfinder is the Spirit of the XPro and X100 Series, compared to the image quality and the handling of this camera. The manual controls gives you a whole new shooting experience. Just a camera with similar looks wont make it for olympus.
maybe alot of MFT Users with good wide lenses will profit, but cant compete to the X-Pro
I’d argue that the X-Pro is a Leica copy itself. Especially the new one with the faux rangefinder window :facepalm:
the fujis blow leica out of the water … and make leica seem a technological backwater….it is now only fit for luddites with a preoccupation with technojewelery and of course more money than sense …
and yes i own 3 leica lenses that i use adapted on my fujis ..which i cannot explain
Why do you say “shouldn’t be copied”? Nobody else should make a similar camera because it’s so good? I don’t get the logic here.
you can profit from the market that fuji builds with a camera, that competes to the Fuji. But you need to get enough space of innovation between the cameras. If Olympus would come with a hybrid VF and a Shutter Speed Dial as a manual control dial on top, olympus wouldnt look good and innovative. Olympus can make it better.. maybe even better than fuji, by orientating on the X-Pro, but they shouldnt copy it, just to gain the a bit of a fame from the X-Pro market
Wait… you think a dedicated shutter speed dial is an innovation? You are talking about tech that is like 50 years old and is totally outdated and outclassed by customizable dials that allow YOU, the photographer to decide which dial you would like to control things like shutter speed. Hybrid VF is somewhat interesting, but it is not better than the best EVF’s out there, and EVF tech is getting better each year.
Have you ever used a 35mm SLR? Asking because, while I don’t own one, the controls on the Fujis look a lot like the dials on many pre-PASM era cameras, my old AE-1 included: iris-ring on lens, shutter speed dial, ISO dial (under the shutter dial, if I remember correctly), etc.
Admin
” The Nikon Samsung deal was a hoax”
” The Nikon Samsung deal was a hoax, there was never even a talk about it.”
Are just a few of the headline comments being posted, all over the internet on other internet rumor sites.
Once again you are the center of attention.
Clearly the story started here with you.
Why are you unwilling to post a follow up explaination for your story..???
I would expect you would want your side in this to be heard…because currently you are not being seen in a favorable light.
The widespread belief is that you fabricated an exclusive rumor to generate interest in your new NikonMirrorless blogsite.
Is that the truth..??? Or do have something else you would like us to believe instead…????
If you do not offer your own explaination this is what people will believe.
I don’t know much about this, but the admin would have to be very stupid to fabricate such a high profile rumour, as it would surely mean shooting himself in the foot. I mean, he’s the one to get the shitstorm for false rumours. If it was indeed a hoax, he was probably duped by somebody he trusted.
The rumor was exclusive to M.R.
Exclusive
Preceded by multiple teasers of exclusive rumor to come
Timed to coincide with introduction of new blogsite
Deliberately used to promote new blogsite.
This is not a false rumor …this is a deliberate planned hoax with a motive…and he hopes we will forget.
If what I am saying is not true than let Admin tell us what is the truth.
Why is Admin unwilling to comment about this accusation…???
This site has a reputation on other rumorsites for dubious rumors…now his reputation has gone way beyond that..yet he is unwilling to speak in his own defense.
Perhaps he cannot speak in his own defense due to fear of legal action ?
This is all pure speculation…perhaps Admin can clear this up for us by telling us the truth…perhaps he does not want to…?????
“false rumor”
Do you even listen to yourself? There’s nothing to be said here.
the rumor is far from exclusive on MR
maybe you should try to use your computer 🙂
This was not treated by admin as a rumor…otherwise it would just be a rumor right or wrong.
Instead it was billed as a Mirrorless Rumors exclsive…complete with advance teasers, and tie ins to the launch of his new site.
And just how could admin be so certain that this story would not break somewhere else before he reported it unless he himself make it up..???
So either this rumor is true and only Admin had access to it, and Nikon and Samsong are trying to cover up the truth….or it is a deliberate hoax perpetrated by admin to generate hits for the launch of his new site.
If the rumor is true than Nikon, Samsung, and the rest of the Rumor world are wrong, and admin was right.
If not than this was not a bad rumor but a deliberate hoax.
Yep. Source is form a very high level. If the rumor doens’t come true I would certinaly look like an idiot. But that said, this is a rumor site and not a house organ for press releases from companies. Otherwise we should trust Samsung press text which back in September said rumors about the NX mount being dead are wrong 🙂
Many site talked about it
Animals. Relax. My rumor will be proven correct. Nikon FF mirrorless with Samsung tech is coming.
It’s just that the companies wanted to deny that nikon will use NX mount or enter a “ou-pair” partnership.
So it will end as easy as that. Nikon uses Samsung tech and doens’t have to tell anyone for this. But the sensor and some other parts inside will be marked Samsung. Juts like we had to dismantle NIkon DSLR to dicsover they use the Sony sensor.
P.S.: Nikon will use mroe than just the sensor!
Thank you for responding.
So you stand behind your rumor and we will see if it proves correct.
Just for fun: Back in September Samsung said this:
“Withdrawing from the camera business is not true and there is no
official plan to stop production of cameras and lenses. Samsung
continuously analyzes the varying needs and requirements of consumers in
each market and region very carefully. However, we do not officially
comment on rumors or speculation.”
http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2015/09/23/rumor-busted-samsung-is-not-exiting-the-camera-business-at-least-not-the-on
This is a rumor site, we do not simply blindly trust and report press releases 🙂
When the mirrorless Nikon is dissasembled we will know if you or the other rumor sites are correct…I hope for the sake of your reputation you are…
I know for certain that some people believe you, but remain silent about it.
even if it’s not right, it’s rumors site, so not sure à 100%
Does it mean that the sensors in the newly announced cameras (the D5, the D500) use sensors made by Samsung? Fact is that parameters dont match current sensors.
Relax boy 🙂
are you trying to be the center of attention with this ? 🙂
Ugh. I wish Olympus would try to copy the success of an actually successful product like the Sony A7, instead of copying yet another poorly received crop sensor retro camera.
Fuji-X is poor in dim/low light AF with its 0EV AF sensitivity, if you shoots lot in low light with people in any move, forget about Fuji, too many shots go to trash. X-Pro2 has A6000 sensor and it also performed poorly in low light. Oly much better.
How do you know that the X-Pro2 performs poorly in low light?
You do know that 0EV means that there is no exposure value differences between two cameras?
Exposure Value != Light Value = LV
Just under starlights in clear sky is -4 LV.
0 LV = 1 second shutter speed, f/1.0 and ISO 100. If you now need to get that to under stars, you need 4 EV difference.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/ev.htm (We all can have hateful opinions against KR but at least he has some things right).
The A7 is not a great camera except for the full frame sensor. It is slow to respond in most AF situations and the ergonomics are OK at best.
If Olympus will put in Pen-F all good features that DM1 has than I will consider it because I planed to buy X-Pro2/X-E3 or A6000 successor. I was impressed with GX-7 (GX-8 size is not I liked) but it had a few issues (weak VF) and resigned from buying it. So, bring Oly your best RF styled Pen-F with fast AF, great EVF, back AF-On button with some Fn buttons all programable with any feature, not bigger than GX-7 and you have my money.
Great EVF will require something larger than the GX7
amen to that
A digital version of the Film Pen-F has plenty of pedigree. Can you say the Olympus is copying the X-E when they have a history of producing this camera? A beautiful camera with film half the frame size of 35mm…. Does that remind you of something? Does a sensor exist today that is half the size of a FF sensor? Olympus isn’t copying anyone. They are play in a space that they know well.
https://www.cameraquest.com/olypenf.htm
APS-C is the “half-frame”.
Olympus is using old 110 format for 4/3″ and they know the game better than many others.
The truth is, in area, due to the different aspect ratio, there’s hardly any real difference between APS-C and M4/3. It’s why I switched to M4/3. When I’m not shooting with my bulky FF camera system, the M4/3 aspect ratio is far better for portraits, plus, my magazine and calendar clients always prefer A4/A5 dimensions. This perfectly matches M4/3, which I’d have to crop APS-C to get (thus losing resolution). And to fill the most commonly used reproduction size (12″ on widest side), the larger sensor of APS-C is no advantage, especially when shooting at lower ISO. So why carry the bulk? M4/3 does the job with no difference in IQ, at less money and a fraction of the weight. It’s a no-brainer. Comparing ALL variables, M4/3 is actually BETTER than APS-C.
Check out this video for proof:
https://youtu.be/nmxQQa6QVBQ
as an early adopter of the ep1 in 2009, and the owner of many panny and oly m 43 bodies , it my deep hope that this is an exquisite well built success with proper old school controls [ that fuji got right] with a proper evf or hybrid vf, and a proper special edition lens with a aperture ring and proper helicoid focus method and construction [somethin like the 12mm f2 oly with a proper aperture ring]
i pray they dont screw this up ,,,,,,this late to the party dream machine up , but i fear the worst from these corporate a$$h0!@S
Some interesting perspective here on the PEN-F’s uncanny resemblance to the Leica III:
https://www.flickr.com/groups/m43_olympus_pen-f/discuss/72157662385366083/