Why don’t you get a 2nd hand 5D classic and a Canon 40mm? The whole thing will cost you as much as a NEX R.
What can the Leica or the RX1 do that’s worth between 4 and 10 (!) times more? Apart from very dodgy video?
Interesting the man chooses to give Sony an edge over Leica. What is rather interesting is that they chose to shoot with the 35m Lux, perhaps suggesting that most of the market for Leica shoots 35mm? if so, then the Sony must look like a bargain.
I would not venture with such a guess. Even for APS-C, the lenses are lacking and when there is a decent lens, it is the size of a beer can. Also, pricing for a FF NEX and the corresponding lenses would make Leica look competitive.
Leica is for its fanboys, that is for those among them that can afford camera + lenses. For the rest of us we must wait for Sony or maybe Fuji to give us a FF RF-style ILC.
The RX1 is there if you only need 35 mm lens. Fuji offerings are close to the Leica concept. Is the smaller sensor only negative? Fuji lenses are great but never on Leica level. Anyway I am waiting for my E-X1 to arrive. Expects it to be excellent for street scenes.
“Leica is for its fanboys, that is for those among them that can afford camera + lenses. For the rest of us we must wait for Sony or maybe Fuji to give us a FF RF-style ILC.”
And there you have it, it’s not Leica fanboy who buys Leica. They buy Leica because they don’t want to have RF-style ILC, they want to have RF ILC. There’s nothing like shooting good old RF, you’d need to try it to fully appreciate it. I know it from my own experience, I also didn’t get it until I bought M6 (film camera) and then it hit me, M6 is what I use most of the times and then it’s X100 and then and only then X-Pro1.
Please, TheCameraStore, shake hands with Olympus and include their products
in your beautiful reviews. I enjoy watching them, but the ignorance of Olympus µFT products is a real drawback.
Thanks for this review. I recently went back to shooting film with my Leica M6 and really appreciate your look at this Leica M camera. I have really enjoyed the process of shooting film again but wanted to know a little more about Leica’s venture into the digital age. You did a great job of putting this together…and I appreciate your work. I think for now though I will stay in the past and continue to roll film through my camera. Maybe I’m too old school but I still enjoy the process of “feeling the image” from the beginning when loading my camera. I know that Leica feels they should keep up with this digital age but all of the new features and even the video aspect of the Leica M seems to take the joy out of why I started to play with photography in the first place. I do have an old Leica dlux 3 so I have experince with what they have offered. I just don’t think I am ready to make that jump…especially at that price. Thanks again…enjoyed your review.
Nothing in the M worth buying. I love my M9 but it’s not worth it either. I wish I had kept the M8. Now that was worth it and a fine camera. I suppose if you’re a vampire and really need two stops difference and a little more shallow DOF you could somehow convince yourself you need it. In the future I’ll stay one or two cameras behind the market.
Ok.. I’ll admit. I love my 50mm being and actual 50mm… with true F1.4 subject isolation. If that’s your thing and it is mine. Don’t hate me. Buy the way I’m not rich.. just tend to over spend on fun stuff. Fan boy? Maybe. I’ve had all the modern stuff.. I just like it. Simply can’t help liking what I like. The real magic is in the lenses.
For Leica, the move to digital was probably necessary, but fraught with problems for customers. It used to be that one could buy a 35 mm Leica film camera and use it for decades, maybe an entire career. It was a purchase like a Rolex watch. One didn’t have to upgrade when more pixels were crammed onto a newer chip or some new gizmo in chip design became feasible. It was a timeless piece of engineering. The sensor (a piece of film) was replaced for each shot.
Now, we’re into the technology “upgrade cycle” with a technology that costs thousands of dollars to replace each time. I think the solution is to bypass the whole thing by getting a great camera and shooting traditional film, which is still around when I last checked.
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I want compact full frame so damn much!
But the Leica system (body + lenses) is way too expensive, and the Sony RX1 has a fixed lens. :/
Why don’t you get a 2nd hand 5D classic and a Canon 40mm? The whole thing will cost you as much as a NEX R.
What can the Leica or the RX1 do that’s worth between 4 and 10 (!) times more? Apart from very dodgy video?
buy sony and cut the lens off 😀
Interesting the man chooses to give Sony an edge over Leica. What is rather interesting is that they chose to shoot with the 35m Lux, perhaps suggesting that most of the market for Leica shoots 35mm? if so, then the Sony must look like a bargain.
So basically what he is saying is that when Sony releases an RX-1 with interchangeable Zeiss lenses, it’s game over for Leica…
I would not venture with such a guess. Even for APS-C, the lenses are lacking and when there is a decent lens, it is the size of a beer can. Also, pricing for a FF NEX and the corresponding lenses would make Leica look competitive.
Rx1 is god tier!
Leica is for its fanboys, that is for those among them that can afford camera + lenses. For the rest of us we must wait for Sony or maybe Fuji to give us a FF RF-style ILC.
The RX1 is there if you only need 35 mm lens. Fuji offerings are close to the Leica concept. Is the smaller sensor only negative? Fuji lenses are great but never on Leica level. Anyway I am waiting for my E-X1 to arrive. Expects it to be excellent for street scenes.
“Leica is for its fanboys, that is for those among them that can afford camera + lenses. For the rest of us we must wait for Sony or maybe Fuji to give us a FF RF-style ILC.”
And there you have it, it’s not Leica fanboy who buys Leica. They buy Leica because they don’t want to have RF-style ILC, they want to have RF ILC. There’s nothing like shooting good old RF, you’d need to try it to fully appreciate it. I know it from my own experience, I also didn’t get it until I bought M6 (film camera) and then it hit me, M6 is what I use most of the times and then it’s X100 and then and only then X-Pro1.
There is some useful info in the video about the shutter lag and the metering. Nicely done. 🙂
The Rx1 is a P&S cam and will always be one. NOTHING will change that.
Please, TheCameraStore, shake hands with Olympus and include their products
in your beautiful reviews. I enjoy watching them, but the ignorance of Olympus µFT products is a real drawback.
Thanks for this review. I recently went back to shooting film with my Leica M6 and really appreciate your look at this Leica M camera. I have really enjoyed the process of shooting film again but wanted to know a little more about Leica’s venture into the digital age. You did a great job of putting this together…and I appreciate your work. I think for now though I will stay in the past and continue to roll film through my camera. Maybe I’m too old school but I still enjoy the process of “feeling the image” from the beginning when loading my camera. I know that Leica feels they should keep up with this digital age but all of the new features and even the video aspect of the Leica M seems to take the joy out of why I started to play with photography in the first place. I do have an old Leica dlux 3 so I have experince with what they have offered. I just don’t think I am ready to make that jump…especially at that price. Thanks again…enjoyed your review.
Nothing in the M worth buying. I love my M9 but it’s not worth it either. I wish I had kept the M8. Now that was worth it and a fine camera. I suppose if you’re a vampire and really need two stops difference and a little more shallow DOF you could somehow convince yourself you need it. In the future I’ll stay one or two cameras behind the market.
Ok.. I’ll admit. I love my 50mm being and actual 50mm… with true F1.4 subject isolation. If that’s your thing and it is mine. Don’t hate me. Buy the way I’m not rich.. just tend to over spend on fun stuff. Fan boy? Maybe. I’ve had all the modern stuff.. I just like it. Simply can’t help liking what I like. The real magic is in the lenses.
Here are some unprocessed video from Leica M (typ 240) – http://fil.io/FL5mh/Leica%20M%20type%20240%20video%20samples
Shot with different ISO and with different lens, with Noctilux Macro at f/0.95 and Vario-Elmarit-R f/4.0
For Leica, the move to digital was probably necessary, but fraught with problems for customers. It used to be that one could buy a 35 mm Leica film camera and use it for decades, maybe an entire career. It was a purchase like a Rolex watch. One didn’t have to upgrade when more pixels were crammed onto a newer chip or some new gizmo in chip design became feasible. It was a timeless piece of engineering. The sensor (a piece of film) was replaced for each shot.
Now, we’re into the technology “upgrade cycle” with a technology that costs thousands of dollars to replace each time. I think the solution is to bypass the whole thing by getting a great camera and shooting traditional film, which is still around when I last checked.