The best APS-C performer at DxO yet.
One of my long time good sources said that Samsung soon to be announced NX1 is said to have the best DxOmark score of all APS-C cameras. The camera will score around the mid-80 points therefore beating the best Nikon D7100 and Sony A6000 sensors.
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Sounds really stupid comment. If the camera is not tested at DXoMark, you can’t say what the final score will be. It’s not like their total score algorithm is public.
The same I wrote above 🙂 perhaps they know it’s almost one stop better in Dr/high Iso than nx30 and since on dxo they say “A 5-point difference on the scale corresponds to a gain or loss of sensitivity of 1/3 of a stop” they made their own calculations.
Hmmm. What if the trusted source is from inside DXoMark and they have seen preliminary tests? Maybe Samsung sent them a body to test.
Hmmm, of course very good if true, BUT nobody knows exactly the algorithms behind dxo scoring, so I wonder how they can know the numbers.
Anyway, considering that their best sensor to date (nx300/30) scores 76, increasing of about 10 would mean improving 1 stop, which is great. Let’s wait and hope it’s not just hype.
dxo score for nx30 iso is 1014 and a6000 1347 so I’m not sure where you’ve got a whole stop from. thats around a third of a stop and samsung has developed a new sensor which will beform better than the nx30. looking back at past models there iso is comming along leaps and bounds with every model and catching up fast.
log(1014/1347)/log(2) = -0.4097, so -0.4 stop.
By comparison, “Landscape dynamic range” is 13.1 EV for A6000 and 12.9 EV for NX20, 12.4 EV for NX30, or -0.2 stop and -0.7 stop, respectively.
More importantly, tho’, exceeding the current best by three or four DxO points does not seem like it’s a revolutionary advance, more like a catch-up. A very important catch-up, of course, and does probably mean new sensor technology as far as Samsung is concerned, so, yay. Samsung is definitely taking mirrorless seriously.
Samsung did need to keep moving: Olympus E-PM2’s DR is rated at 12.2 EV, ISO at 942, breathing right on the neck of Samsung’s current APS sensors. Since APS sensor’s area is 1.64x that of µ43, APS sensors should be 0.71 stop ahead of µ43 sensors.
Very interesting post. I think that if Samsung really has a 28mp sensor capable of better high Iso and Dr than Sony’s latest, then this already is a good achievement. I also agree that m4/3 is probably doing better in relative terms, but they also have “only” 16mp, which is a stunning 75% less than 28…
So, IF the rumor is true, the new Samsung sensor is really good (even if its reign could last few months, since I think a nex7 successor could come out sooner or later and it will also add resolution and improve IQ over previous gen).
Samsung always do such bold statements, just like when they said, couple years ago, that they were going to be #1, so it’s not like they have a lot of credit here.
They still might be did they give a time frame?
Oh sure, because that was the problem of such claim. How silly of me, how could I ignore such relevant point, the time frame! Gimme a break…
We’ll would you have thought they would be the biggest selling TV or mobile phone company 10-15 years ago. Doubt it.
Photography is a very different business. It’s not mass market and it’s declining. There are only some enthusiasts buying “real” cameras, while the majority of ppl are more than happy with smart phones or, at most, p&s.
That’s why the only wise target would be enthusiasts, which always look at innovations, BUT on average they don’t want another bulky DSLR alike camera.
I’m not convinced it is. More people have cameras th n ever before yes they are mostly on phones but they still need sensors and if Samsung want to stay at the top they need to be developing sensor tech anyway.
That’s for sure, but a good sensor alone is not enough. They need appealing bodies, and big ones, IMO, does not appeal. If you have to choose among a newcomer’s camera (nx1) and an established brand’s one (say the incoming 7d mk2), at a comparable price, why would you choose the former, if the size difference is not such a big one?
The Sony a6000, on the contrary, does indeed have a big advantage in size/weight and has great performance. And costs way less.
I think that Sony (and also Fuji) has a much better vision.
Yes I agree they have a lot to learn. They’re to expensive and boring or ugly. The nx1 will not be on my shopping list, but I’m still convinced they will be a big player in a few years.
True. Boring is the perfect word to describe nx cameras till now. Some of them are averagely good, all of them get the job done, but none of them has the “wow” factor that’s needed in this business to turn ppl’s heads. The nx1 will probably have top end features, but again it will have an ugly, dull body and probably a price higher than what ppl are willing to spend on a Samsung camera.
I see that you love buying boring, dull and ugly cameras.
The lenses are very good and quite cheap for what they are and I found two out of three bodies I own heavily discounted and on sale. I won’t buy Samsung boring cameras at the price of Sony’s or Fuji’s, for sure.
what is exactly your point?
Imaging its something revolutionary like organic or something. We can dream.
So one is an 81 and another a 82, What significant difference will I see in the image shot.
Nx300 is 76 and same is nx30. If they go to, say, 85-86, then the difference will be perceivable.
I don’t think 1-5 points difference is perceivable, though.
And tested with a Samsung lens a 28mp camera yields a 20mp image? If Samsung wants to sell some cameras they may want to try making some lenses worth buying…
What an idiotic, un-researched comment
I don’t understand this comment. Nx lenses are quite good. They won’t of course resolve the whole mp offered by the sensor, but no lens of any system does.
(Otus 55/1.4 resolves 29mp out of 36mp on a d800)
DXO said …. ok, booked. Now what? where is the first shot? DXO is a 3 letter metaphor, once a while ago we used something similar called GOD to believe in useless things.
The DXO overall score is meaningless, one must choose the individual scores that match to a person’s most important shooting situations. And of course if the photographer is just posting their images to the web, there is no difference between the results of $100 or $10,000 camera body.