The Samsung NX1 sensor
This could be a possible 2015 Samsung product launch roadmap according to messages shared by sources to us and Photorumors.
Thee should be the three new lenses launched in 2015:
– Samsung 16-80mm f/4 OIS
– Samsung S 24mm f/1.4 ED
– Samsung S 11-24mm f/2.8 ED OIS
And there will be two compact NX300 successor
– NX400 without EVF
– NX400EVF with EVF
Both NX400 cameras will feature the same NX1 sensor and of course 4K recording.
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See Tecnoworld i told you to be patient. I don’t think they will hang around in releasing the nx300 replacements. They need to strike while there is a buzz around there new sensor. I reckon it will be out within 6 months.
I really dislike the look of the look of the nx300, and every other nx for that matter. I hope they have a rethink on styling.
This is indeed good news if true. Samsung seems finally to have understood that its past strategy was nonsense.
The nx1 is a very nicely specced camera, but is as big as a mid sized DSLR, hence a no go for most mirrorless users. Few days ago I was talking with a friend invested in canon and he stated that it didn’t make any sense, for him, to swap system if the size/weight advantage is not evident.
At the same time, a good evf is overdue in a body like nx300. The one thing I hope is that Samsung learns the lesson from Fuji and they put a VERY good hardware in that body. I’d want the same specs as nx1, in terms of new sensor, AF, cpu and buffer. I don’t mind weather sealing and I prefer 200gr less to it.
I have just compared specs of the NX1 and those of 7D II and Samsung is better in every possible aspect. So maybe a time has come when DSLR owners will not switch to mirrorless becaure they are lighter, but simply because they are better (faster, bettter equipped…). So now the only argument against NX1 (or mirrorless generally) is smaller choice of lenses compared to DSLRs (of course I am judging only by specs on paper, the real feel might be different).
Btw. the NX1 is still considerably lighter than the 7D II (550g vs. 910g, so 40% lighter).
I don’t see many ppl switching system just for better “paper” specs. I mean…15fps vs 10fps. Who actually cares? And for the AF, Samsung still has to prove that its new system is up to the one in advanced DSLR (nx300 is terrible for af-c and AF tracking, for instance).
And not many will think that 28mp is really that useful.
So OK, on paper it’s better specced, but most with a couple of expensive Canon/Nikon/Pentax/sony lenses won’t change just for this edge in hw specs.
What most ppl are interested in is size/weight advantage. So, let’s imagine a 350gr nx400evf with the specs of nx1. You put the 20mm pancake on it, and you have a p&s like camera with performance rivaling a 7d. In your pocket! Always with you! That would indeed be a revolution.
Of course, if they strip some functions from it, they’ll diminish its value/possible impact.
They have to understand that those who want/need high performance not always want a big/heavy body!
I’d be ready to pay the price of nx1 for a similarly specced rangefinder body.
Well if you want to put the best/fast lenses like the new 16-50mm or 50-150mm you will be much better off with the NX1 with decent grip. Fast lenses are big and heavy and they require solid grip; putting such a big glass on tiny rangefinder-styled CSC with no grip is a suicide. Small rangefinder style has it´s sense with small primes, but for fast zooms you DSLR style is simply the best.
P.S. I repeat, NX1 is not heavy, 550g is significantly lighter than TD II (or other high-end APSC DSLRs).
Having choice is good, not having choice is bad, when you are forced towards something that you don’t like/need.
550gr w/o battery, that becomes almost 600gr with a battery, is more than the weight of a canon rebel. And many ppl moved away from it to mirrorless. Now nx1 is the same weight and size!
And about the 16-50S, I use it with no problems on my nx300 and it will be simply great on a rangefinder with a grip, like a6000. The lens is 600gr. If coupled with a 350gr body, it is well different than if coupled with a 600gr body (at least for MY neck).
Not counting that the nx1 with a pancake is NOT pocketable, while a rangefinder like a6000 would be.
Last, if you are ready to have a camera weighting 600gr, then you can be ready to have one weighting 755gr. That’s the canon 6d.
The NX1 is not designed to be pocketable. It is designed to be easier to hold with bigger, heavier lenses and be professional. The 50-150 will be a wonderful portrait lens, but using it on an NX300 style body is ridiculous. The NX1 has a designed battery grip as well, because it isn’t a matter of size. That is what the NX### and NX#### lines are for (notice no battery grip options because they don’t want to increase size).
The NX1 is not in the same category as a Rebel. People looking at a Rebel are not looking in the $1400 price range body only, so comparing the weight of the NX1 to a Rebel as a negative makes no sense. The same reason you don’t compare the size/weight of an NX300 to an iPhone: two different markets.
People looking at D7100, 70d, 7d, 7d2 will look at an NX1, and there the NX1 has a size/weight advantage.
Samsung is aiming the NX1 at “professionals”, and when you are doing that with a rugged, weather sealed body, size matters much less to them. Pros will tolerate more weight for more performance. That’s why you don’t hear pros complaining about the size/weight of a 1dx/D4 or even the D810/5d3. The extra weight/size is understood, like how lower gas mileage for a powerful engine is understood.
And lets be honest, an NX1 with a 16-50S is still lighter than a 7d with a 17-55. (Canon@1465g vs Sam@1139g while STILL being weather sealed and a stop faster at the wide end).
The NX1 and future NX400 are not in the same category so complaining about size/weight doesn’t make sense. The NX400 will be designed for enthusiasts you want a lot of performance in a small package. The NX1 is designed for “pros” who understand that a larger body for pro build is understood. Being the size of a Rebel hasn’t stopped the GH4 from selling well even though for a m4/3 camera it is huge, and their lenses are much smaller… 😉
“People looking at D7100, 70d, 7d, 7d2 will look at an NX1, and there the NX1 has a size/weight advantage.”
Not true, IMO. At least, not only them are looking into powerful and capable cameras. It’s not size vs features. It’s features AND size. If I want the features of a pro camera (as to fast operations, evf, IQ, AF and buffer) in a small size, I don’t have a choice in Samsung’s lineup.
Again, I want to have the choice. No choice = bad. Nx1 alone can’t save nx, and nx30 was a total failure (see DPR review). Nx300 is now old and lacking an evf. Nx3000 is a great tool for casual shooters.
Only a nx400evf with high end specs can sell well enough. The market will prove me right, if such a camera eventually comes. But it has to come fast.
There’s been two approaches to the Mirrorless market.
RF style. Pretty much all the lower-end bodies except the disastrous Sony A3x00 series have been this style. They work well with small to midsize primes and small zooms.
SLR style. Pretty much all the successful high-end designs have been this style. They work well with lenses of all sizes, depending on body size (smaller ones don’t do well with big lenses).
High-end bodies in small packages are constantly asked for, but when they arrive they never sell all that well. They’ve been done before, in the X-Pro1, the NEX-7, the GX7 and the E-P5. Of those only the GX7 was really successful and even then it was wildly outsold by the lower-spec and similarly priced SLR-style E-M5. Likewise Fuji never had a real hit on its hands until the X-T1.
The x-t1 has much faster af than x-pro1. And gx7 is not as high end as gh4 or em1.
I’d like to see a similarly specced nx400evf to nx1. Then we’ll see which one sells.
You’re not making sense tecnoworld. OF COURSE the NX400’s will sell more than the NX1, the same way Rebels sell more than 7d’s. They are different markets.
The NX1 is the flagship but you keep referring to it as if it supposed to be a consumer oriented model. It doesn’t need to be small, just like the GH4 doesn’t need to be small, and both the GH4 and NX1 are still smaller/lighter than the semipro DSLR equivalents.
You don’t understand what I want to say (possibly my fault). I think that who wants high specs NOT necessarily wants/needs big cameras. I really want the specs of nx1, but don’t like its big body. And I have the 16-50S lens….
Most of my friends share my idea and feeling. They want uber specs in a compact body, so I assume there are a lot of ppl in the world with the same needs.
P.s. if I have a small body, I can use small lenses and have it almost pocketable, or big lenses when needed (not comfortable, but still fine!). With a big body, you have a big camera ALSO with small lenses.
Nearly everyone wants a ton of specs crammed into whatever body they get (except Leica users maybe 😉 ).
You keep saying you want top of the line specs in the lower line size of bodies, and for the most part you get that with Samsung/Sony/Fuji/m43. They certainly don’t cripple bodies as much as Canon does! But NO camera maker has a top tier body that is as small as their consumer tier (the NX1 is top tier, the NX400’s will be TWO tiers under that (unless they discontinue the NX** line).
The NX300 isn’t far off from the NX30, so there is no reason to think the NX400’s will be too far off from the NX1. They’ve already said they will fix some of the specs that really hurt the NX300.
And you keep harping on wanting choice: Want a pro 16-50? Get the S version. Don’t want the size/weight of the S, get the PZ version. Don’t want the size/weight of the NX1? Get the NX400…heck, they are even going to give you TWO versions of the NX400! There is PLENTY of choice going around but for some reason you don’t to see it or acknowledge it. Keep in mind, part of having choice is that there ARE other manufacturers other than Samsung! Shocking I know 😉
Want FF but not DSLR big, get an A7. The pro bodies ARE larger than the same companies consumer models, that is a fact of life in photography. The NEX7 is larger than the NEX6, and there is your CHOICE.
Don’t want the size of the GH4 or EM1? That’s why there is the EM10 and such 🙂 To give you CHOICE. 😉
Want rangefinder style with EVF? There have been choices for that for years! Complaining ONE manufacturer wasn’t doing it doesn’t make any sense! You aren’t exercising your power as a consumer with choice to go to the other makers that give you what you want. That isn’t the camera manufacturer’s fault. They didn’t MAKE you do anything 😉
Choice is having the exactly same specs in different kind of bodies. Not having to renounce to something if you want a smaller body!!! That’s what I mean.
If I want evf, small camera, big buffer, high res sensor, blazing fast AF and nx lenses, what camera could I get? That’s having NO choice.
Do you see that dream camera of yours materializing anywhere? Maybe that’s because it’s not so simple to do. You can always wait for the nx400 to appear but I would be very surprised if it will be as well spec’d as the NX1 in a smaller body and for half the price.
from the way this camera is constructed, it does indeed appear to be intended for professional users. I dont have any real experience with samsung cameras, but this camera got my curiosity. I might try it out and see if it is capable as it is on paper. if it impresses me, it could become a part of my existing EOS system.
a rangefinder style camera with fast lenses and long zooms would be the worst combo. poor handling and balance, and damn ugly. clearly some are preferring the rangefinder style due to looks and compact portability factor. but it is limited to small lenses and becomes less ideal once zooms and fast lenses comes into play. the 55-210 for the alpha mirrorless aps-c for example looks hideous.
Nice lenses, especially the 16-80/4 looks like a great allround lens. Actually this is something I expected from Pentax (based on their roadmap) and Ricoh really announced a 16-85mm lens, but with slow and variable f3,5-5,6 (85mm is ideal for portraits, but f5,6 definitely isn´t). Constant f4 would make a difference and Samsung realizes this. Actually the last lenses from Samsung look all great and exactly what I would want: an extremely fast standard zoom (16-50/2-2,8) for low-light shooting and shallow DoF and a standard zoom with longer-than-usual tele for travelling light (16-80/4). Especially with the new NX1 this looks like the ideal CSC combo for me (if I wanted to abandon the DSLR 😉
I’d love to see all of these specs fit into a small, EVF packing, weather sealed, “range finder” style body. If 4K heat is a problem, I’d sacrifice that before the EVF and that fast focus capability.
Doing a great looking rangefinder style camera with an EVF and tilting touch screen that can track focus like this would rock Fuji, Olympus and Panasonic back on their heels.
But of course, Panasonic now has 4K in a tiny camera, so they’re really in a great spot.
I know idea why there SLR looking cameras are getting bigger and bigger. The nx10 is a perfect size why is the nx30 so big and now the nx1 larger again.
Please please rethink the nx400 and nx40 bodies.
Agreed. They made that stupid video about “size doesn’t matter” where ppl used to think that bigger is better. Probably, after that, they decided to make big cameras (galaxy nx, nx30, nx1) to “fool” ppl into thinking that those are dslr (hence producing better pictures).
The NX1 is big because it needs to be to handle well with the new big/fast zooms. Little bodies and big lenses suck as a combo. This is one reason why you don’t see a lot of f2.8 zooms on mirrorless, in m43 they can be small enough to match the smallish bodies, but in APS-C they’ll be big enough that you need a body in the same size class as a D7100, K-3 or 70D for good handling
I’m sure the nx400 will be small. Hopefully the NX40 will shrink a bit now that the NX1 has arrived, the NX40 should be optimized for the mid-range zooms like that 16-80/4
Hope so if th nx40 is back the size of the nx10 I would happy. Its not the last word in style but it will do me with my primes.
I would definitely buy a 16-80f4 and would get the 11-24 as well! My 12-24 is really good but I do wish it were wider. 10-24 f4 anyone?? 😉
I would love to see something like the Fuji 56 from Samsung as well (f1.4 is fine). 🙂
16-80 and 24 would be on my buying list although I’d rather have a more compact 24f2