MiTaka (dpreview forum user) unveiled some more details about the upcoming Fuji mirrorless system:
1) RGB pixels in 6*6 random pixel sets
2) More lenses and M-mount to X adapter are coming within 2012.
3) The optical viewfinder offers different magnification x0.37 for the WA, and x0.6 for the other two lenses. The magnification ratio is also user selectable for using third party lenses.
4) The camera comes with some new film modes + multiple exposure features.
5) Accessories will include leather case, new flash, grip.
6) Every lens will come with hood, also fuji will offer protective filters.
It’s important to underline that there is no word yet about the fact that Fuji will use the new organic sensor technology. They keep talking about the randomly positioned Pixels and not about the used material. And the new M-mount adapter will allow current [shoplink 100116 ebay]Leica lens[/shoplink] owners to buy a cheap alike camera that will probaby beat the M9 image quality (if the Fuji marketing guys are telling us the truth about the new sensor being better than any current FF sensor).
A new source also sent me the following info: “Fuji mirrorless camera will be announced at 9pm GMT on Monday… it looks amazing, looks like it will be a big hit with many people!” (Thanks for sending me this!)
You can follow the announcement live here on MirrorlessRumors. I will update you with all the news, revies and tests I can found on the web. So buy your Popcorns and be online here at 4pm NYC time, 9pm London time or 10pm Berlin time or 6am Tokyo time!
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Getting ready to sell my X-100. Thank you Fuji!!!!!!!!!
So the vf has just two magnifications. Let’s hope the new Olympus camera has a better vf solution.
Well, tbh, alot of people seem to not be aware of the hybrid VF and that you can use the OVF but that the EVF is highly useful. I’ve had the X100 in the past and I can tell you, I used the EVF the most times when i wanted to frame the pic, the OVF is good for those unplanned and/or shots from the hip.
I would say this is an excellent solution given that you get an OVF and you can change lenses. That means that when you put on an UWA or tele you might have to switch to the EVF but everything in between is basically your choice. Most people, who shoot a myriad of things (enthusiasts) shoot in the wide to short tele anyway, and when you don’t, at least I, want to frame the picture without horrible parallax. Which would be the result of having a zooming OVF. Also to add, a zooming OVF would have to be smaller than a two-stepped one because it has to be able to change from wide to long, think of the difference between a kit zoom and a superzoom in size, but fixate the size and you get a smaller f-number on the superzoom.
I really don’t understand what you want? For Fuji to break the laws of physics because your’e not happy?
No, the VF has 3 magnifications, which is enough to cover all but long telephoto primes.
I was afraid that the first one is not wide enough for 21mm eq. lenses, but it seems ok !
Arnold: that’s not what the text says. Do you have information from elsewhere?
No I don’t have any other info,
what I did understand from this text,
is that the VF will have a 10mm (FF eq) view, a 32mm view, and a 54mm view (60 * 1.5 * 0.6).
so essentially, you dont really have a clue?
Seems that Fuji really listened to enthusiasts !
I would be very surprised if indeed this camera has the new organic sensor,
but the lenses look quite small compared to the NEX ones, so maybe that’s a clue, as an organic sensor would allow smaller lenses.
As the camera doesn’t have an AA filter, it will work better with legacy lenses in the corners, but I wonder about the IR filter.
In looking at the images, I too thought that the lenses looked small.
What a home run this will be for Fuji!
Fuji Lenses look small next to the Fuji body, which is bigger (both taller and fatter) than the Nex body.
I don’t think Fuji lenses will be that much smaller (if at all) than the equivalent Nex lenses in absolute terms.
The Fuji 60 f2.4 macro looks quite big to my eyes actually.
“to buy a cheap M9 alike camera that will probaby beat the M9 image quality ”
Blablabla marketing bullshit. Fuji sensor will certainly blow M9 at high iso/DR/etc… But at pixel peeping Fuji cannot make miracles, a pixel matrix, 4 or 6 whatever pattern, is still a pixel matrix.
The NEX 7 is already better than a M9 at base ISO, and the Fuji won’t have an AA filter, so I think it obviously will have a better image than the M9,
well it better be, the M9 sensor is 3 years old.
What will be interesting to see is how the Fuji will compare to the M10…
from what i’ve seen, no, or only sligly when nex 7 pics are downsized. X pro 16 MP wil be upscaled to match M9, so, again, no miracle.
> 5) Accessories will include leather case, new flash, grip.
Oh. Leather case. And grip. That’s good. First leaked images indicate that the camera is relatively large and with the extra grip I hope ergonomics would pretty good.
> 6) Every lens will come with hood, also fuji will offer protective filters.
Wait, does it mean Fuji had omitted the filter thread on the lenses? again?? So that they can sell you non-standard protective filter???
And their idea of a hood, if X100 is any indication, ruins pretty much completely the portability and aesthetics aspects of the cameras. Panny’s nanocoating ftw.
Overall, I’m getting tired of the spec sheets – I want some reviews. Oh, it wasn’t yet officially announced, I hear you say. 😉
P.S. I’m pretty sure this leaks are organized by Fuji for what they have my sincere “thanks!” Please, camera makers, leak more!!
Aperture and focus rings on the lenses with 52mm filter threads it seems.
Fuiji leaked (or teased) all over the place just before the X100 announcement.
Well that is internet bullshit.
The Nex7 is quite comparable in term of IQ with the M9 sensor. But it is not superior. I said, EQUIVALENT.
Well…that suppose that you need to do 200% crops to barely see a difference!!!! The reality is that there are already sensors which can provide the same perceived quality than a M9 for a much lower price…So why suddently the Nex7 became the M9 killer? The fact that a Nex7 is comparable to a M9 in term of IQ when pixel peeping do not make it a Leica M killer…Those two cameras are so much different in use…
Moreover, regarding this new Fuji…everybody is just getting so excited by more IQ more IQ more IQ. More IQ for what??? To get amazed in front of your computer while doing 400% crop this time? This is useless.
98% of today’s photographers (I mean: you, me, others) will just never print ANY of their pictures. If they do…it will hardly be bigger than 8×10…So…yes…again…why need so much IQ if you print almost never…and print so small when you do?
People are just pigs following marketing gurus.
Hey kikoolol,
The NEX 7 is comparable to the M9 at base ISO, at high ISO the M9 gets crushed.
With people thinking like you people we would still live in caves,
nowadays compact cameras still can’t make pictures in all situations.
I think the only other thing I would really like is the GXR A12 Ricoh M mount module method of manually focusing which is a high contrast outline around the subject when in sharp focus. Otherwise, wow!
Arnold: the nex7 has 24mp, this is supposed to have 16. A significant difference.
Ok, but the 5N has a much better score than the M9 at DXOmark anyway, 16 MP VS 18 MP will not change much at pixel detail, and the Fuji doesn’t have an AA filter either.
Yes, but leica have a red dot with leica inside, that make a huge difference in IQ 😉
I don’t think this camera justifies selling my x100, two different cameras with different uses. I bought the x100 for it’s size and ease of carrying it. Will probably buy this one as well, but I might sell my DSLR instead.
This is all fine and well but what will the raw support be?
It will obviously have RAW – but I wonder if that “RAW” will have the pixels de-randomized?
With the non-ttl finder it will be a niche product. You will not see dof and focus optically. I suppose this is kinda ok if you’re used to a Leica, but how many are? It will definitely be alien to slr users.
EVF solves this and possibly DoF preview overlay at least for original Fuji lenses (i hope) – correct me if i’m wrong because that’s how it works on X100
It will have autofocus – and the EVF part of the hybrid viewfinder will show DoF
The EVF is TTL, will you please look at the specs (X100 for example) on how the hybrid VF works. The EVF shows DoF preview, just like on a X100.
Pixels can’t be truly random or how would the system read them?
I think it could be fuzzy logic (although for an imaging system this sounds horrible..:) ).
It will be pseudo-random, perhaps quasi-random, or some similar constrained method to get the desired properties. Those properties being (at least) a balance of different colours in a given area, but random enough to avoid moire.
Then you simply store the layout and use this in RAW conversion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-random
With the ability to adapt M lenses, there will certainly be other adapters from Fotodiox. This will solve the slow manual focus issue that prevented me from buying the X100. I’m in. I’m looking forward to real user reviews though before I pull the trigger. Fuji….. Please send one to Steve Huff right away.
For those who compare the 16M with the NEX-7’s 24M, wait for the Fujifilm announcement and lab results. Fujifilm will claim that their 16M is equivalent to 32M. And I suspect the lab results will show that their 16M matches conventional 24M in resolution. But that’s just comparing the resolution. The X-Pro 1’s 16M will beat the conventional 24M in other important aspects. First, less moire (the random color pixel pattern was designed to achieve that); and second, a much smaller file size for an effectively higher resolution.
i sense that x-pro1 just will similar to a55 testing on the market and then the NEXT version camera is a SERIOUS camera, perhaps x-pro 2 😀
I hope there is also a true high res lcd. On my 2year old phone, it’s a 800×480 slcd with a tought gorilla glass, in photo spec it’s 1,152,000 dots, if i understand the way camera makers count the lcd resolution. 460,000 dots is jurassic tech 🙂
I am definitely selling my dslr canon 7d to fund the purchase of this magnificent kit I’ve always wanted a camera with out an AA filter Just like the M9 & 5 × cheaper
6) Every lens will come with hood, also fuji will offer protective filters.
i’m not surprise that fuji will offer the hood together with the lens , but very surprise that offer the protective filter together. whatever , GJ fuji!
What Leica can do is to rebrand X PRO-1, add a red dot on it, then offer 5years warranty and double the price. People would be dying for that camera. 🙂 Maybe release a few leica branded lens for X mount.
Laugh… Leica is just doing this with some Panasonic cameras.
They know how to sheer sheeps, that’s for sure.
Hobbes: How will this work with different lenses? Will the EVF image shrink when you mount a tele? Otherwise the ovf and evf image will not be superimposed.
When you activate the switch you actually close a lid in front of the OVF and you are now looking at an EVF, that is an electronic screen, same as your LCD on the back, or like an EVF on a Sony NEX-7. That gives you TTL because the sensor shows you a live picture (as “live” as a digital process can be).
When you use the OVF you can, if you wish, have a digital overlay on the OVF but these are two different things, but they use the same LCD “projector” to show either overlay or EVF. If you want to know more on how it works, check out:
http://www.finepix-x100.com/en/x100/hybrid-viewfinder
and also read the “Hydbrid Viewfinder”-section on:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/FujifilmX100/page3.asp
you guys do realise that Leica will come ot with a new system this year as well?
I remember some interview with them said so.
2012 will definetly be the year of mirrorless. D4/D800 wiil be the last great dinosaurs. Next flagships will be mirrorless. 🙂
I’ll wait for leica. I don’t need any hybrid sh1t that is useless but increases total camera cost. And the real premium should have bigger than APS-? sensor for better image quality (I don’t mean high ISO which is another aspect but rather the local contrast boost with bigger sensor)
Even if the hybrid EVF/OVF increases the camera cost the Leica is never going to cost less than the Fuji. Also the EVF will be useful for longer and wider lenses that fall outside the range of the OVF.
That “useless” hybrid EVF doesn’t increase the camera cost nearly as much as those useless red dot Leica badges do.
I wonder when they say organic there talking about pixel placement. Something like error diffusion dithering used with inkjets to avoid moire. It is a brilliant idea and interesting no one came up with it earlier.