Just read the text Fuji posted on their Photokina presentation page (Click here).
Whatever Fuji means with “full size sensor” isn’t really clear. Knowing how marketing works they just mean their APS-C sensors. But on paper “full-size” usually should mean “full-frame” as this is how we intend 35mm sensors.
Strange…
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so what is “Full Frame”. What about medium format or 4×5? Is that more than “Full Frame”? To me all cameras are full frame unless you set them to use only part of the sensor.
Yes, that would be more than Full Frame. You can, of course, use words however you want, but the customary meaning of Full Frame is and will continue to be 24x36mm. Language has many terms which don’t mean exactly what they say. What people usually understand when they hear or read it is what they mean, it’s as simple as that.
Only on film cameras. On digital cameras full frame means that you don’t use crop mode or digital zoom.
I think everybody in the world (except those suffering the unfortunate combination of sensor-size envy, and militant self-delusion) recognizes that the term “full frame”, no matter the fact that it’s not quite precise to what it literally means… simply means a camera sensor of the same dimensions as 35mm film.
To argue otherwise doesn’t make a point to anybody else (because everyone else recognizes the historical reference and effective meaning), but just tells them you are a verbal pedant.
It’s like the high school student who insists earnestly that “America” is a misnomer, and it will always be “Columbia” (for Christopher Columbus), or “Leif-ia” (for Leif Erikson), or something like that to him. He gets a little pat on the head for having attended his history class yesterday.
Full frame doesnt mean anything on digital cameras. Every digital camera is full frame.
The full frame is a technical setting in camera where WHOLE sensor is used, it has nothing to do with sensor size.
Let me clear this up for you gummyrabbit: Full Frame is 35mm. The current APS-C sensor that Fuji uses is NOT Full frame. This claim they are making is just marketing gibberish designed to confuse consumers.
Full frame is not 35mm. It was on film era but not on digital era. Technology changes cameras and who call their 35mm digital cameras as “Full Frame” doesn’t know anything.
“high image quality with a full size sensor” I think it just means that their sensor has IQ up to the FF level, just that, anything more I think it would be overreading the “inbetweens”.
Fujifilm sell large format cameras, maybe that will have a full size digital sensor… 😉
Fujifilm said several times in the past that their sensor can achieve a quality that compares to some of the so called full frame sensors and this time they are not announcing anything because if we read it carefully we’ll realize they are talking about present models of their X series cameras that visitors can try at their booth ( at the Touch and Try corner of Fujifilm booth, visitors will be able to experience the outstandingly high image quality with…bla, bla, bla)
That’s quite a bombshell! I agree with DtEW: full frame means the size of 35mm film. For Fuji to go FF makes no sense: they claim to compete with full frame now. Going FF would be to admit they don’t compete. But this language is really sloppy if it is anything but FF.
Full Frame means camera that is able to capture size of 36x24mm frame on 135 kinofilm. But “Full Frame” doesn’t mean anything such on digital cameras, as every digital camera is full frame unless using digital zoom.
OK, since no-one else here has state the obvious; the XF line only covers the image circle of an APS-C sensor Fuji themselves have said so last year.
Exactly, they could always release something like a 1″ crop sensor, amd APS-C would be full size for XF lenses.
Think about this…
In the “old days”, 135 (a.k.a. 35mm) was the “miniature” format. It gradually became the “small” format, as 110 established itself as the “miniature” format. Only when APS came out–and then became the first established digital format–did 135 become “full” format, only because there were very few APS lenses, and so everyone needed to be aware that the 135 lenses would be “cropped” on APS cameras. In other words, 135 sensors were “full” size only relative to the existing 135 lenses.
Now, there is no doubt that APS is the dominant format, especially in the mirrorless world, with a solid stable of dedicated lenses. So, for Sony and Fuji, APS should really be considered “full” format, with 135 being “oversized”, maybe even “medium”, and 4/3 being the “small” format. Sigma mirrorless lenses are “full” APS lenses that are used “cropped” on µ43, for instance. 1/2.3″ sensors on Pentax Q have DR comparable to old APSs, and so are legitimate “miniature” format sensors. Consider the fact that the smallest “medium” format used to be 6×4.5cm; now the largest “medium” (and “large”?) format sensor is 5.4×4.0cm, which is 1.66x crop compared to 6×9! Why shouldn’t “full size” also shrink over time?
This shift in language will happen naturally over time, not through marketing gimmicks, but it is going to happen, and someone has to start it. My prediction is that, in 20 years, we will be debating whether 1/2.3″ should be considered “full frame”. 🙂
For instance, check out this article: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/3257793102/sensor-size-is-what-matters-and-the-trend-is-for-larger-says-aptina
And what is the “larger” size to which everyone is trending, according to this article? APS!
Crop Sensors vs Full Frame :: Crop Or Crap?: http://youtu.be/PHYidejT3KY
Sarcastic comparison about idiots who claim “Full Frame” is better.
The 135 was always a small format. Then the Olympus Pen got released that used same 135 film but only half of the frame size of 36x24mm frame. The naming was Half-Frame and Full-Frame. PEN was half-frame and gave 2x frames for same film length as 35mm cameras. 72 frames instead 36, 48 frames instead 24.
Half-frame and Full-frame are acceptable terms only for film cameras using 135 kinofilm.
Digital cameras can’t be “Full-Frame” as they use always full frame, no matter sensor size.
The marketing from Canon and Nikon about getting 36x24mm sensor was propaganda to get latest film shooters as they could call them as “full-frame” as APS-C is “half-frame”.
I think the discussion about “full frame” is a moot point – so what if it isn’t exactly 24×36? Reading this reminds me of having lunch with a bunch of Electrical Engineers – that told jokes whose punchlines were numbers…serious nerd stuff.
A better discussion is weather Fuji will have a full line of lens for it, or make it Nikon compatible.