The new Samsung NX1 will somehow remind us of this old Mamiya 6.
An anonymous source (Thank You!) sent us the following info about the new High End APS-C NX1 camera that will be announced in September at Photokina. This is what we can expect:
Body looks like mamiya 6 (big rangefinder with grip).
New EVF with highest res on market and new technology.
Sensor with 28MP. No isocell, but improved dr. Best performance on the market at high iso.
New user interface based on newer tizen. Big touch screen but plenty of physical controls.
Continuous af up to 10fps with focus tracking enabled, second gen OSPDAF with more af points than a6000.
Presentation around sep 2014, availability nov 2014.
Splash + dust proof.
Price 1300$ body only.
Kit with 1650 zoom 2300$.
In summary: Best sensor, best EVF, best AF. Sounds like a possible game changer!
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Your source isn’t very convincing. Also… 1300 without lens and 2300 with kit zoom lens? 1000 for the power zoom? Or is this for the f2-f2.8 20-50 lens? I’d be excited if most of this were true… But we’ll see.
In the rumor, the kit lens for $2300 seems to be 16-50/f2-2.8 S, not 16-50 PZ. There is no NX 20-50/f2-2.8 lens.
Exactly, I own the 16-50 f2-2.8 and is a gorgeous lens, with ultra fast af and great iq at any fl. 1000$ for it in bundle is a nice pricepoint.
For sure it’s been manufactured with nx1 in mind, since it’s weather sealed, while no nx body is.
With all due respect, but in what way should this camera remind us of the Mamiya 6? I have one and am really wondering…
“New user interface based on newer tizen.”
That’s where I lost interest in this camera. The NX20’s OS is also Tizen based if I’m not mistaken (tell me if I am) and while it could be a great camera with it’s nice specs and good price/value ratio now (not at launch though) it’s the buggiest camera I’ve ever used with really slow and unresponsive menu and UI. I just hope they’re aware of it and working hard to correct this. I wonder how the NX30 works in this regard.
yes you are wrong it was just the standard updated NX interface on the NX20, I liked the camera and it was easy to use but yeh buggy as hell. they are slowly building up Tizen so they get it right you can find snippets in the NX300M and NX30
Thanks for the correction!
NX20 OS is not Tizen. Tizen has been being used from NX300. Since NX camera has loaded Tizen, the camera got better connectivity and touch input with better stability. NX30 is better responsive than NX300. If NX1 will get next version of Tizen, that would be quite good.
Thanks for correcting me, good to know there’s hope!
Rangefinder? Best APS-C? 28MP? Superb AF? Best EVF?
Tecnoworld…. Where are you? 😀
Haha, here I am 🙂 if the rumor is true, I’m happy that I just bought the new 16-50 f2-2.8. But I hope samsung hires a good designer to make the look less bulky and a bit more stylish 🙂 they were on the right route with nx300. Just add an evf in a corner and perhaps a slightly bigger grip and I’m happy.
Anyway those specs are exciting. Even a bit too much, for a nx product…
If true, the first rangefinder from samsung will be…UGLY. When I say rangefinder, I hope for something stylish, like say fuji x-e2 or sony a6000. Not something bulky as in the image.
Anyway the other features sound really nice. Let’s hope this camera is not that bulky.
Sorry to disappoint you again but as their ‘Pro’ level camera its NOT going to be small like the NX300, a6000 and X-E2 as its got to support the zoomz and 85mm. Its going to be similar size to the A7, XT1 and GH4
X-t1 and a7 are less bulky than nx30. X-pro1 is rangefinder and it’s top of their line. Anyway we’ll see. If those specs are true, I can pass on the shape…
I believe the meaning about “RF” from the rumors is about design cue. Adapting ‘RF’ design doesn’t automatically lead the body size bulky.
I saw nothing there indicating a rangefinder. Instead, this is a mirrorless camera. Expect an Instamatic style body, like the Sony’s, the XE-2, the GX7, etc.
The NX1 in this rumor reminds me the rumor almost 3 years ago in below
“A mysterious camera: The Samsung Retro R1!”
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/a-mysterious-camera-the-samsung-retro-r1
The rumor said the R1 specs are
– APS C size sensor
– 24.3 mega pixels
– Interchangeable lenses
– Mirrorless system
– Magnesium alloy body
– Retro Styling (their words) i.e. direct access buttons and dials for controls, similar look to Fuji x100, black and chrome
– 10 fps
– Max shutter speed 1/8000 sec
– Phase autofocus
– Swivel LCD screen (although this didn’t get good feedback)
– Price ?616 including kit lens
True. And unfortunately that rumor never became reality.
I want it!! I believe they can do it!
I hope it looks absolutely nothing like the Mamiya, but I am excited about the specs, as it sounds very nice. Better sell some of my old lenses now 🙂
I’d say, better like the mamiya than alike nx30. Of course I guess that if they go the mamiya route, it’ll be a bit more modern than it was 🙂 Perhaps it will be similar to x-pro1, which would be great. Fuji is clever enough to have a big lineup of rangefinder like cameras, and above all the top end one shaped like this. Perhaps samsung finally understood that this is one of the reasons for the success that x system is having compared to nx…
An exceptional camera is more than the sum of its components…
This sounds so Samsung, best in this, bigger in that and in the end they never get the product right.
I really would like to see an unforgetable camera from Samsung, they have been trying for so long, however, even if the camera lives up to its promises, I seriously doubt that it can invert the market indifference towards expensive Samsung cameras.
Name me one time Samsung said they were the ‘best’ or ‘biggest’ anything in cameras??
Exciting rumor. It seems like everyone is rumored to be picking up on medium format film rangefinder style cameras — Sony, Fuji, and now Samsung. Only Olympus steadfastly refuses to do a left side VF. Pity.
This Samsung sounds like my Fuji XPro 2 wish list!
Sorry but this won’t happen.
Any Pro NX camera will have NX30 chromosomes.
Samsung is not in business to go backwards.
Nx30 is having very poor success worldwide, compared with, say, sony a6000 and fuji x-e2 (just to quote two). So perhaps samsung has finally understood that nx30 (and nx2010115 before of that) was the wrong route for mirrorless? I hope so.
If I can remember well, samsung changed the division in charge of nx cameras. Perhaps the new one is ‘smarter’ (no pun intended).
“So perhaps samsung has finally understood that nx30 (and nx2010115 before of that) was the wrong route for mirrorless?”
Wrong for mirrorless? The NX30?
You have no idea of the great capabilities of the nX30.
It is the best handling and shooting camera that I have ever owned.
The knob crowd is stuck in the past. With my NX30 I can chage any camera setting almost instantly whether I am using the LCD or the EVF. I don’t have to look at each knob as I turn it to a desired setting ( which means I do not have to take my eye off my subject to look at a knob).
My ability to shoot my NX30 from shoe level to over head expands my photographic vision and I enjoy using it and highly recommend the NX30, especially at its fantastic pricepoint which neither Sony no Fuji can beat.
Sorry for running on but your posts regarding Samsung are rather negative and contain unsubstantiated one line assertions which in this case I felt must be corrected.
Ok. For YOU, the nx30 is the best camera in the world. So, if everybody were YOU, nx30 would be greatly succesfull. But everybody is not YOU, and it seems that ppl on the market for a mirrorless, on average, prefer smaller and more stylish cameras, like x-e2 and a6000. And if they have to go for a slr like body, they go for something neat, like x-t1. Nx30 is functional, perhaps, but unsexy and has really nothing more/different than any existing and better established dslr on the market in the same price range.
I’m not negative, I’m objective. You are making of your own opinion the only truth in the world, while I’m looking at the market share and above all the enthusiasm of the ppl for the products. Just look how much buzz there’s around a6000. Would you say the same for the nx30???
I think, if this news is true, that samsung finally realized its mistakes and is trying hard to correct them. I just hope they do it right, this time.
The subject is not me, it is your lack of first hand use of the NX30.
You cannot be objective if you are speaking from ignorance .
I could never comment on the Sony nor Fuji cameras you mention.
I never handled them just as you never handled nor used the NX30.
You are the one ignoring things, here, since I tried them ALL and tested them in different conditions. And again you ignore the market, thinking that you are the only one with the right opinion. You’re the worst fanboy that samsung could have, since simply you don’t consider anything else to even exist, which is ridicolous.
Nobody with a modern dslr will ever buy a nx30. If they want to go mirrorless, they want to do that for reasons like lesser bulk, rangefinder shape and so on. Why should they move to a camera that’s just marginally smaller than their equipment???? A camera that resembles ANY cheap dslr out there for years???
Again, you can think what you want, but don’t pretend that others should think as you do and above all stop insulting if you don’t want to get insulted.
Look at the numbers. For a few that like the nx30, there are thousands liking the a6000. Are they all ‘ignorant’ but you???
P.s. you edited your post and deleted the insults. Nice move.
OK, you win.
I would not want you to get banned as you were from the Samsung DPReview forum.
Best wishes and goodbye.
Don’t worry, here the mod does not get free cameras from samsung as it happens for the mod of samsung forum on dpr, Taffy.
He blocks anyone saying true things about samsung products, if those are not in favour of Samsung, even when ppl don’t insult anyone and talk fair. There only samsung fanboys are allowed, hence you are welcome, even if you have the usual insulting and poorly mannered mood.
P.s. it’s a real shame that dpr allows something like that to happen, btw.
tecno, this is not true. Everyone who reads in the samsung forum knows that.
You are n’t blocked because what you have been saying. You were blocked, because you told your opinions over and over again. Day for Day, hour for hour.
Over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, over and over again, …
I could have repeated it, but just because some fanboys were against me (a bit like raw jaw now, as you can see, attacking me personally), but while those fanboys, who insulted me, were NOT banned, I was, even if I never insulted anyone. And that’s because I was saying true things, very in line with what dpr stated in its review of nx30. I.e. that samsung, up to now, just made some ‘decent’ cameras, but no outstanding camera, like others (fuji, sony, olympus, panasonic) did.
“Nx30 is having very poor success worldwide, compared with, say, sony a6000 and fuji x-e2”
Link showing retail sales of all three, please.
Just a quick consideration from the data on DPR:
NX30 -> 15 I own, 69 I want, 11 I had
A6000 -> 261 I own, 152 I want, 22 I had
That’s a huge difference. I don’t say that DPR can be considered a reference for the market, but for sure it’s not totally different as well.
Market penetration of NX compared to other mirrorless systems seems tiny (NX30 market share less than 6% of that of the even younger A6000).
If you don’t believe those figures, just have a look at the shops, tech malls or around you. Or to the average number of comments given to nx news compared to sony/fuji news.
Bless Samsung’s little hearts for trying, but if Sony shows up to the Big Show with $1K FF, $2300 APS-C’s will not be long for this world. Granted, Sony’s kit zoom lens might push the price to $1500. with no EVF. The FF Sony A7 kit is $1500. and does have EVF with the hump in the middle. 4K video will not be enough to command early-adopter inflated prices for long, not when cell phones can pump out (inferior) 4K video too.
I tend to agree in general, but you can’t have small lenses like samsung’s pancakes on a ff camera. And with the new samsung premium zoom, the equivalent dof is about like 24-75 f2.8-4 in ff terms, which is very good. So perhaps samsunis trying to finally have a camera appealing ppl that don’t want a dslr (hence the smarter shape compared to nx30) but still want a high quality camera in a smaller package.
We’ll see, but I’ll be already ultra happy if they finally stop making dslr alike mirrorless cameras. That’s like making a lcd monitor in the shape of an old and bulky crt one…just dumb, imo.
Nice comparison, the monitors 😀
Haha, thx, I foresee somebody saying that ‘dslr shape’ is more ergonomical, but hey, then crt monitors were more stable on your desk 🙂
I’m still waiting for NEX-6 or 7 styled FF NEX body. But I’m much more interested in NX1 now, It could be very good.
Canon EF 40/2.8 STM is almost the size of NX 30/2
Samsung has a flange distance of 25.5mm to Sony’s 18mm with the E-Mount. If the next Sony FF camera is indeed as thin as the NEX 5, the additional size of the Sony 35mm lens will be negated. IDK about collapsible zooms. Samsung will have 28MPx to Sony’s 24MPx, so there is an advantage to Samsung there for consumers who judge cameras on megapixels. And, I doubt Sony or any other manufacture is going to offer a $1K camera w 4K video before Holiday ’14. But, the higher resolution, larger DR, and greater ISO performance of FF is the future. If Sony can make sensor yields of the curved sensor near current sensor yields, then cameras will no longer need the larger retrofocal lenses we have now and we can get rangefinder-small with our lenses.
I agree that the flat top-plate form factor with an incarcerated EVF is the future. The EVF in the middle is marketing-driven, I sense.
You have to wonder how much Sony is losing on each one they sell.
as usal with Samsung.
1. Slightly increase the specs to be better on spec sheet than competition
2. Release ugly product with shitty user interface and cheep plastic
3. pay trolls for trolling all photography websites with samsung marketing
4. destroy the market with cheap products
One can only hope its not the same story as with their crappy smartphones.
The #3 is sadly true and the worst of all. Samsung forum on dpr is simply destroyed by the mod, who is part of samsung imagelogging program and gets free cameras from them, and few fanboys that attack anyone saying fair things about samsung that are not in its favour. The same happens here (read Raw Jaw posts as a bright example) and on other sites. This is shameful.
1 and 3 could be said about EVERY company in technology. 2 is completely subjective and 4 is completely wrong (and not just Samsung), i think when a companies like Samsung Sony and Panasonic release cheap products like N1000, NEX-3 and the GF3 its good because good photos shouldn’t just be limited to people who can afford the premium. about a month ago i was able to sell a NX1100 twin lens kit to a young family for £179.95 and lets just say plastic didnt bother them at all
Checklist engineering is something that Samsung and Sony do very well. Samsung just doesn’t know how to create enjoyable products, although Sony is not having much luck lately, according to what I’ve seen of frustrated comments.
Well,
beside that the specifications sounds pretty good, the shown Mamiya 6 looks pretty ugly to me…
…however, if the RAWs are as good as I hope them to be,
the camera design doesn’t matter anymore.
Today I tried the NX mini and found that maybe both cameras could build a dream team…
Can you tell us more impressions from NX mini? Thanks
+1
“Body looks like mamiya 6 (big rangefinder with grip)”
I hope it’s more like NEX-7 or GX7 than that ugly Mamiya.
For me the most important thing is that it does NOT have the central hump and does NOT resemble any cheap DSLR out there (like nx5/10/11/20/30 do). The camera in the picture is not “cute”, but I guess that the rumor is referred to the general form and look (i.e. big rangefinder with grip) and that would be very fine for me.
My ideal, in fact, is a sort of NX300, 1.5cm taller for hosting the EVF in the left corner, with a slightly bigger grip and the shutter button on the grip itself. Or like X-Pro 1 with a bigger grip. So that could indeed be the case…
I was wondering: could the ‘new tech’ mentioned for the evf be a sort of hybrid finder? If the body looks like the picture, or anyway finally like a rangefinder, that could be applicable and I remember a patent from samsung about a sort of hybrid tech! That would be exciting.
Look:
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/samsung-patent-discloses-new-hybrid-viewfinder-tech-for-nx-cameras
Didn’t Samsung and Pentax used to share a lens/mount format? With Samsung pushing the mirror less technology, and Pentax continuing to do what they do with traditional dslrs, it would be a great time to rekindle that collaboration. Imagine some of the classic Pentax primes on this new Samsung and imagine if the companies would work together to finally provide a better selection of fast zooms that would work on Samsung and k-mount.