This time trusted sources unveiled that Canon will actually launch a mirrorless system with APS-C sensor and not with the same Four Thirds sized GX1 sensor! There will be a completely new mount and of course your EF lenses will be compatible (with electronic support) via appropriate adapter. I guess more info and real specs will be leaked the next days…
via CanonWatch.
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That’s very interesting news !
yep.. thank god no small m43 sensor.
i have a mobile phone if i want a small sensor camera….
So that would mean the Hybrid sensor from the 650D/T4I. That would make a lot of sense.
Well that’s that then – as Canon themselves have stated, the 1.5″/4/3rds sensor size is the ideal compromise between sensor area and lens size. If their mirrorless cameras are APS-C, they will have exactly the same problems as Sony and Samsung – excessively large lenses. I think Micro 4/3rds has the mirrorless market in the bag.
“4/3 has mirrorless in the bag”…
You seem to think that is the only market for mirrorless, small and compact. I think what you will see is the entire market will shift to mirrorless with the exception of a few pro and semi-pro models.
So I think you will see a wide range of mirrorless models.
Eric
While I do think that M4/3 is the most “ideal” mirrorless system regarding size/performance ratio, I’d hardly say M4/3 has it in the bag.
As an M4/3 user, I’m very glad the OM-D has been making such waves because otherwise I’d doubt the chances the system would have against the likes of a properly designed mirrorless system from canon. It’s biggest competition comes from NEX, and Sony doesn’t even have the know-how or any where near the camera-marketing power canon does.
What I’m curious is how Canon will approach this issue. Are they going to worry about their APS-C DSLR market weakening because of their own mirrorless system, and thus market that system differently to try to avoid this? Or are they going to present their mirrorless system as something just as good as their DSLRs in a smaller package?
If they go for the latter, we can expect some major changes in the mirrorless field.
My guess is that there’s a strong chance they’re going to take this second approach, given the hybrid sensor in the T4i, which I was not at all expecting, and the fact that they seem to be going with APS-C rather than the G1X sensor size. Once you can get people to not care about optical viewfinders(which really, only seasoned users care about), then there is virtually nothing holding back a canon mirrorless system compared to a DSLR in performance. In fact, it would gain several advantages, such as PDAF during video(a la T4i), a smaller body and slightly smaller lenses, a quieter shutter with faster bursts, better low light focus performance, faster overall focus.
If I were canon, I would include the EF-mount adapter with the camera. That would basically ensure huge sales from the get-go.
I hope Olympus and Panasonic can retaliate.
your telling bullshit…
mirrorless is not all about size.
i would NEVER buy a m43 camera because of the small sensor.
quality is maybe good enough for casual shooters but not for me.
give me a ff mirrorless for 2000$ and i buy it in a second
Just can’t understand why all M4/3 fan boys are keep complaining APS-C mirrorless cameras have large lenses. Guessing most of them never walk out of their precious M4/3 system fences. Except to the pana’s 20.7 and 14/2.5, oly’s 17/2.8, and pane x 14-42; others are BIG like APS-C’s BIG lenses. Of course sony lacks pancake lenses but samsung produces good pancake lenses.(both have roadmap for more pancake lenses.) Also, you fan boys talk M4/3 has advantage in smaller sensors, HOWEVER they are BIG body size relative to APS-C cameras. (even few APS-C cameras have smaller body than M4/3s.)
If you just saw lens mounted body pictures on the internet and think those lenses are too big for body, you got it wrong.
1. Those cameras are sometimes smaller than your M4/3s.
2. APS-C has pancakes too.
3. YOU AND I BOTH STILL CANNOT PUT OUR CAMERAS IN POCKET.
4. OM-D is not end-of-talk uber camera. Actually there’s no such. It is a good camera BUT you guys are acting like manipulating stock prices.
I agree M4/3s have super fast AF, therefore YOU WIN.
Samsung are soon to have 4 pancake lenses that are pretty darn small. The lens of the X100 is pretty tiny too (though not interchangeable).
What about sensor with micro lenses? Wide lenses wouldn’t need to have a retrofocus design and they could be much smaller (from what I’ve read NEX wide lenses are all retrofocus).
Canon is behind in dynamic range in the marketplace (Sony, Nikon, Fuji etc), so they are probably after high ISO. I wonder what are the selling points, knowing that Canon doesn’t like to put in features too easily. While EF-lens compatibility sounds nice, the camera is bought because of the size in the first place meaning also smaller lenses must be there.
This is so exciting and I wonder what Canon will come up with. I think they will try something different from M43 – that sweet spot in the middle is already taken. Nikon did something smaller (Nikon 1) so it makes sense (!?) that Canon will go a bit larger with their new system. APS-C would be nice in my opinion. A decent viewfinder is a must, but will it be optical/hybrid like the Fuji X-Pro or an EVF?
Canon, please give us some leaks!
about time! I have a good collection of canon lens that would love an mirror-less body!
looks like Canon’s going to pull a Pantex a la k-01….now if they could only make a pancake like Pantex it could be interesting:)
If it doesn’t have a GX1-sized sensor then what does it have?
If it has an APS-C sensor then why does it need a new lens mount?
Slapping a 2.8 pancake lens on the camera isn’t going to make an APS-C camera ‘compact’. If it isn’t compact and is sized to work with standard EF lenses then what advantage will it have over a T4i?
To have a significant size advantage over smaller DSLRs the system will need smaller lenses. Physics dictates that smaller lenses of a comparable speed require a smaller sensor. Removing the mirror box helps a bit but cannot completely change the form factor. The success of the m4/3 system is due largely to the smaller lenses in my opinion.
Is this really an alternative to Canon dslrs or is it a strange stop-gap camera designed to enter the ‘mirrorless market’ and appeal to reto-styling afficionados?
Mysteries abound, and it seems that the “sources” are supplying conflicting information at this point. Perhaps ‘new lens line’ is more accurate than ‘new lens mount’? Maybe the cameras will have an EF mount but the newly released lenses will be designed so that they cannot be used on Canon’s DSLRs? They have pulled this trick before with the EF-s lenses. Maybe the new mount will be called EF-x, hahaha.
I think that they are not going after the mft users with such a camera with an APSC sensor, but rather after the likes of the Sony SLT cameras : slightly smaller and lighter cameras, with EVF and without mirror, but DSLRS performances. They aren’t going after a miniaturized camera.
Good news, since their existing APS-C lenses will be fully usable on new mirrorless bodies.
Lens size for APC should be an on-issue. One need only look at Leica M, or better yet Contax G which put autofocus in an extremely compact lens form. I would only hope we see a rangefinder style camera with APC sensor and a well designed hybrid finder (optical still kicks butt). Think Canon P or 7.