A chinese source at Xjrumo (Click here) said that Fuji will use an APS-C sized (organic?) sensor (via Photorumors). The source also said that it will NOT use a hybrid viewfinder. It would use the same kind of viewfinder from the [shoplink 100018]Fuji X100[/shoplink] (optical VF that zooms in and out). So the real highlight will be the mysterious organic sensor. I am not the only one thinking this could be a real sensation. The Online Photographers writes: “Komori-san says that the sensor quality of Fujifilm X mirrorless will exceed that of current full-frame sensors, although its sensor size will likely be smaller than 24x36mm. The claim reminded me of something…I have a hazy memory of someone with knowledge of the industry telling me long ago that an official of Canon said that Fuji is the only company Canon is scared of—not Panasonic, not Sony, not Nikon—because of Fuji’s expertise with sensors. (I might not have that right, so please don’t quote me.)“. (via Petapixel). Image Sensor World also found a new Fuji organic sensor patent.
One more news: Fujifilm to establish a semiconductor material manufacturing company in South Korea (Fujifilm). Getting ready for organic sensor mass production? 🙂
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Actually, given the past few years, it’s about time Canon started fearing Sony and Nikon because of their sensors…
The aspect ratio of the sensor doesn’t seem to be 3:2 but rather 4:3.
And if this pic came from the same person of the whole body camera, the thumb is a super mini thumb that makes average camera look big and make small sensor looks bigger too..
I agree.
Admin, do you mean it will have same VF as X10? If so this would be very disappointing. I would much prefer EVF than zooming OVF (for manual lenses).
If only optical viewfinder: a) It is important what other information is available there. b) So the hybrid was no success. c) I would prefer HQ EVF
Sensor: If it is APS-C size I have my doubts about FF quality. If it is new technology the LX will be another innovative concept camera from Fuji. Meaning it will have both ups and downs…..
i think a OVF with 50 and 35mm framelines does the job, if u have a distance and dof scale on the lens. so u prefocus by guessing the distance to ur objekt, point(compose) and shoot. but if they do it zoomable like the x10, plz make it something like 110% and not useless 85%. the lack of overlay in the x10 force u to use the lcd for prefocusing (there u have distance and dof scales).
the biggest adventage of an RF/OVF is that it covers more than 100% so u can see people and things like this walking into ur framelines… no TTL or EVF can do this job. so plz fuji dont fuck it up again..
> So the real highlight will be the mysterious organic sensor.
I will believe it when I see it. To date, I haven’t seen much of all-around-exceptional in the Fuji sensors.
But if the tech is the same as the OLED to the LCD, then I’m all for it!
Fujifilm make cameras for photographers. Fullstop. I’d say they will be shortly the most desirable camera after Leica….
Not if you can’t focus through the VF
If Fujifilm is building a new Fab for sensor production then they must really think they have something special.
actually the solid combination of long experience Fujifilm in analog world for color management and amazing lenses are the real factors of the winning systems.
Canon is lacking so much in this arena imo..
OVF only ? So i guess there is only limited choice of lenses. How an ovf can deal with lenses from fish eyes to tele ?
Zoomable and information overlay at least!
Less information than on current dslr cameras will be a big mistake on their part, IMO!:-/
This is getting more and more interesting…
Again, it sounds like Fuji is trying to remake the Contax G series. But with only the optical viewfinder focusing is gonna be a problem… unless it’s a… rangefinder?
there are so many options to focus.
– full auto (facedetection and things like that)
– auto with preseting focuspoint manuel, like focus to the left corner (on LCD)
– auto focus look, let the camera measure the distance if u are bad at guessing
– manuel focus via focus peeking like the sony nex cameras (on LCD)
– oldshool zonefocus, guessing distance to objekt and set it manuel
and think about the overlay, what happen if they overlay the focuspeeking?
propper glas is much more importent for manuel focus. curz if u have a lens with propper focus ring and dof scale u can easely preset the focus on the lens in just a secound. but this means u have to “waste” some time in learning this 😉
next thing is that a rangefinder is only spot on in the center of the picture. but what happen if u want the focus in the right upper corner? u have to prefocus there too. and what happen in realy dark situations or on moving subjects? there the guessing comes into play. u simply use bigger DOF so that u have some room to play with.
so yes it looks like a contax G remake and that is great.
No hybrid VF ? Why the f*** not ? This must be false …
hopefully 100% viewfinder, or more?
I can’t believe that Fuji would “waste” their sensor technology on a rangefinder camera.
I can’t believe that people still think that a DSLR-a is the best form factor. I sold my 5D MKII after purchasing a x100. The 5D MarkII was useless as i couldn’t take it anywhere with me. Too bulky. Such cameras are fine for studios but how many of us really do photography in a studio?
OVF only would be ok if Fuji intends to support lenses in a very limited range of focal lengths and size (assume changeable lenses). Long telephoto lenses will not work well with OVF due to focus, view blockage and parallax issues.
What is much more important about an organic sensor than is that it will have a much shorter absorption length than one made of silicon in principle.
The Leica M lenses that don’t do well at the edges of frame when used with mirrorless cameras (other than Leicas which have special microlens) would probably work much better on an organic sensor.
There is a pretty big downside to anything other than Silicon though and that is you can’t really put CMOS amplifiers right there on chip.
What matters is if the light will propagate to the neighboring photodiodes before being absorbed.
To completely collect red light with silicon you need about 20-30 um. I don’t know how deep the junctions are in CMOS/CCDs but if you know the impact angle and the junction depth you can calculate how many pixels have light mixing.
I would be interested in seeing germanium or GaAs sensors in cameras or organic. I suspect reliability will be a greater problem with these organic ones. The typical problem is keeping water out (tiny amounts of it not drops).
There is a downside to anything other than Silicon though and that is unlike with a CMOS sensor you can’t put a bunch of nice amplifiers right there with the photodiodes.
The chinese rumor about the VF contradicts previous rumors.
And it does not look like there is space for any zooming optical elements, like there is with the folding OVF in the X10. And it wouldnt make any sense to market a highend mirrorless with little or no information in the VF.
I say, the rumor is FAKE.