Much has been leaked about the Fujfilm X-Pro2 so far (it’s probably the most leaked camera ever!).
However, I know you are all waiting to know the price of the X-Pro2.
Now here is the thing: Fujfilm waited unusually long, before setting the final price.
But since you guys fill my Facebook, Twitter and email account with questions regarding the X-Pro2 price, I’ll share with you the last thing I’ve heard, even though it’s not a 100% precise price tag.
Europe: the price should be around €1,699-1,799. Please note that the price in Europe can have some variations according to the different coutries.
USA: It should cost between $1,799-1,899. However, fellow X-shooter T-Man pre-ordered an X-Pro2 at his local store and said that his receipt shows only $1,699. For more details you better ask T-man directly here.
On January 15, feel free to support my daily rumor work here on FujiRumors, by getting your X-Pro2 using one of the links to store I’ll share here on FR. Absolutely no extra costs for you, but a small comission is valued back to this blog. It will help me to cover the costs of this blog and to keep it running also in 2016… if you enjoy to read FR now and then, this could be the opportunity to support my work for free 😉 .
stay tuned,
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NOTE: Since once again the critics came via social media, here is the thing: I just had a surgery, the infection caused fever and I’m taking antiobiotics. I run FujiRumors alone (except the XPC of course) and I apologize if my English (my 4th language) is now even more crap than usual. If I don’t write (even after a surgery) nobody else writes on FR. However, you’ll get all the rumors I can leak, non-stop, fever or not, but in my humble English. Accept that, or just stop reading FR.
P.S.: I promise to take English lessons… as soon as I close FR and have more time 😉 )
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The huge increase of X-Pro2 in its spec table is … price, literally. XD
I agree…everything else is a normal upgrade
Not unsurprising, but with where the camera market is today, I will have a tough time justifying it to myself. If I liked the OVF, maybe, but I rarely used it.
Que the complaining about speculated-upon 2 year old Sony sensors.
For me, the price is worth it if AF has taken a big leap. Give us something like the A7R II’s Eye-AF and Fuji’s got my money.
I was excited yesterday, but not today. That price looks insane, but let’s not freak out until the official announcement.
Patrick, i wish you a speedy recovery. I hope you will get some rest now that nearly everything has been leaked. Get well soon, we need you.
trusted Japanese source promised a special tidbit 🙂
the antibiotics kick in. I’ll be ok soon 🙂
Get well soon Patrick!
thanks… Augmentin will do the work 😉
As an Englishman, who speaks 1 language, there is nothing wrong with your English Patrick. If the grammar is occasionally not correct on the site, who cares as long as the message has been understood.
I have never had an issue understanding any posts on Fujirumors.com.
I hope you recover quickly, and keep up the good work
Should be 1499 without the discount… Else will skip this one
Euros that is
More than a sony a7ii, full frame and stabilized… :/
mouais…
2 x 1800€ is too much! (I bought 2 xe2 to work with, then 2 XT1 to work with)
ok if sensor is APS-H, great viewfinder, clean 12800 iso, and very very fast AF
Feel better, Patrick, and don’t worry your English is better than many English people – no lessons required!
Note my lazy punctuation above as evidence ?
And around this same time, Sony is releasing their A6100 with:
36mp BSI sensor,
silent electronic shutter mode,
IBIS
4K recording
Touchscreen
likely for much much less than the X-Pro2… It really does feel to me that Fuji is finally getting around to releasing last year’s camera.
If that rumor is true, fuji will have a hard time selling the xpro2.
Sony A6XXX is not a competition, it is a completely different camera, different feel, if it is anything like A6000, it is not weather proof by any stretch of imagination (my A6000 died in Caribbean Sea after 1 sec contact with sea water). Also Sony E mount lenses are nowhere close to what Fuji X lineup is. In fact there not one crop E mount lens faster than 1.8. And yes it will cost $700-800 at most
You’re in dream world. Sony isn’t about to take a loss. And Sony is Sony. Fuji is Fuji. Sony colors aren’t Fuji colors. A completely different look. My A7SII fotos don’t look like my Fuji fotos. Entirely different look. That’s what I want. Don’t care about the “specs”
Lucky you… buy the A6100 …
I said nothing about wanting the A6100. I sold my Sony kit to go Fuji. That doesn’t mean I can’t want Fuji to be more competitive and innovative.
That will be probably the launch price of body alone and soon with 35f2 otherwise me no buy
If it’s the price of the kit it’d be more understandable. I’m really hoping it is the price of the kit and not body alone.
Get well soon Patrick
Ps.
Redcoon referal link doesn’t work
Count me out IF this price is accurate.
I find it hard to believe that they would use a two year old sensor, put their xtrans magic over it, add a few good upgrades, and feel it is valued at that price. If that price is accurate, my guess is there will be discounts available sooner than previous years to compensate for the early over pricing. Looks to me like this is one where the early adopters may pay a very high early entry fee.
The problem for Fuji may be that folks who have not bought in to their system yet (like me) may go elsewhere (probably to Sony).
We will all know in a few short days.
Feel better man, and don’t worry about your english. It’s plenty good.
Not to make light of your health issues, but I’m starting to feel a bit queasy now myself. Get well Patrick.
Thanks, the worst is over now.
And as Nietzsche said, what doesn’t kill you… 😉
The price at start is as expect. However, if would be nice for once to be pleasantly surprised that Fuji prices something lower than expect at start. Other than Samsung NX1, XPRO2 will be officially the most expensive crop camera in the world (short of Leica’s offerings). Can you think of any other crop camera that have been priced so high in the last couple years? I can’t from the top of my head.
for 1,800€ i could buy a used xt 1 and a new XF 50-140
not sure i get fuji’s thinking. what new users do they expect to attract? any one appealed by what fuji has to offer (great lenses, manual controls, good jpegs) will be happily picking up a cheap 1st generation model.
people that are not convinced by that already, will have very little reason to jump now, especially if an A6100 is coming out a few days later and will steal all the thunder in terms of tech specs.
that leaves current fuji users. having an xe2, i assume the FW upgrade will give me most of what i need, most other specs are nice to have AT THIS PRICE POINT.
XT1 users will have even less reason to upgrade. that leaves this camera positioned as a flagship but mainly appealing to current XP1 users that have been falling behind on the various small upgrades the cameras have undergone.
unless there is a hidden big bang still to be announced in 10 days, i just can’t see this being a new success story.
1700-1800 is at very most justfiable in a kit offer with the 35/2 lens…
Fuji will come up with XT2 with same specs shortly thereafter, for cheaper, and that will sell a lot
Fuji users aren’t Sony users. don’t fool yourself.
Sorry to disappoint you but l am a Sony and Fujifilm user and l love both systems. (Yes, and l used to like The Beatles and The Stones!)
that reminds me of the hasselblad lunar, making a grip on a sony body and sell it for 700% more then the original. maybe fuji looked at them and said, well we could make a new camera or buy some old sony stuff, put it in a camera and make it realy expensive. people will buy anyway because we are stylish like old leica cameras …
I don’t believe that Fuji is t marketing in the same fashion as Hassy at all. Fuji has a winning product and design. Their colors with lenses are unique and special. The ergonomics of the camera layout is great
For that price I expect another killer spec, not rumoured to date.
Specs are good. The dual sd card slot & advanced processor isn’t going to be free
Well.. about $1700… I think that’s expected since the x-t1 is still averaging $1300-1500 (depending on black or silver graphite version).. so a few hundred $$’s more over what is currently the top Fuji X model..Hmm.. $1700, does that include a kit lens with it? or perhaps a pricier silver graphite version?…. Leaving the special silver graphite version of the X-T1 which has a premium on it, I would have expected the X-Pro2 to be at least $200 more than the black X-T1.. so about $1500.. but, since the X-T1 is currently the same price range of $1500, they probably don’t want to charge the same price as any of their current models and need to bump it up a bit to match this new entry into the X camera market.. It would be nicer if it were about $1600.. easier pill to swallow.. regardless, since I’ve been personally waiting for an X-Pro2 for at least 2 years (probably like most other X-Pro fans) and I find the specs (and I do like what I’m seeing so far) more than satisfactory and at least what I had hoped would be in the successor to the x-pro1, I’ll probably go for it and put that pre-order down as soon as it’s available.
I hope they offer more than just a black version.. I think silver would look charming, but I personally like the more grey tint of the silver graphite finish… hopefully, they may not charge a premium on an alternate color… I mean the x100 use to cost, I believe, an extra $300 or so for the black version.. then they decided to make it as a standard alternate color at the same price as the silver version.. hope Fuji does right and keep the prices between 2 color versions the same.
And now more spec leaks about the A6100 from Sony are coming out.. Typical.. Sony will steal other manufacturers’ thunder very shortly after their lightning has struck. From the specs of the A6100, it looks very promising.. I like Sony stuff, I do consider their sensor tech to be the cream of the mirrorless crop, but I’ve dedicated my gear towards Fuji already and I do like the results I’m getting from Fuji X cameras.. and I like their styling even more. I am hoping the A6100 comes out about the same time as the X-Pro2.. competition is good and perhaps when the cards are out on the table, it may encourage Fuji to keep the X-Pro2 at a lower and more competitive price level.
Hi Patrick,
I hope you will recover soon. You’re doing an excellent job. Price tag is about what I’ve expected and in my opinion it’s fair. Leica starts at 4800,- € with the M-E, Sony Alpha 7RII and /SII 3500,- € for the body… Sure, it’s hard to compare, but the “normal” pricerange for cameras is blowing up. One reason: our own upgrading of requirements. The lenses from Fuji are stunning, and so I have no more reason to use my old dslr gear.
your camparation with leica is very interesting. leica is a collector camera. i hope fuji is not. regarding the A7 cameras, you forgot to mention that these are video cameras as well. they come with Ibis, and that canon lenses via adaptor can autofocus, these are all added value. Plus they have a bigger sensor.
Why is Leica a ‘collector’ camera? I bought an M240 and in the process of selling off my X-Pro1 and Fuji lenses. I love the Leica, and for me it’s more enjoyable to use. The Fuji’s are excellent though and I hope the X-Pro2 is successful for Fuji.
Leica is a collector’s item to people that don’t like or don’t get Leica. It’s exactly the same as people deriding the X-Pro 1 as anachronistic simply because they want a dSLR style camera and can only justify its existence.
But it’s a bit deeper than that. Most people that deride Leica have never really used one. They have no idea just how solid one is, nor do they understand why such a camera is so easy to use and still has market value and reason.
The funny thing is watching reem after reem of anti-Leica fanboy harangues bash Leica for most of the same reasons others bash Fujifilm- except that fujifilm’s cameras are not made with close to the same quality or intent of purpose.
Which, as a Leica owner, you probably understand well. Personally I wish Fujifilm were in the position to dictate the market to their customers as they were when they designed and built the GX680, which was as radical as could be at launch.
Sure, it’s build quality was sub par compared to some cameras but what that thing could do and how it utilised electronic lenses and buffed out a decent modular system was only possible because Fujifilm decided it’s market and built to it.
No current X camera is unique in the same degree. Not by a long shot. They are typical mirror less cameras beneath interesting skins.
the other reason is that people are buying very expensive gear because some other guys in forums are telling everbody that this or that lens is total garbage because the corners are not tac sharp if you zoom in 100% in lightroom. we can read it here all the time. if someone posts i shoot sony, everbody starts in some bs argument fuji >> sony or olypmus >> nikon or whatever brand against anything. completely ignoring the fact that its not all about the camera brand and who uses the most expensive gear. love the cheap camera challenge @digitalrev
The Leica comparison is flawed because it’s in a different category as is the full frame Sony. With the economic downturn Fuji is going to have to adjust its prices. I certainly won’t be an early adopter.
We need to stop comparing Fuji with Leica. They are worlds apart in terms of style and quality. Style is priceless, but not that hard to achieve.
The pro line is still the most expensive non full frame, so 1700 is already plenty.
For this price you get 5 very fine Kaizen FW updates for free !
It remains an expensive story – going CSC. Imagine – hypothetical – that 3 years ago, I would have invested in a new premium ‘major brand’ FF DSLR + the best glass available for it. Very likely I would still be using the same camera without asking real questions about ‘why this choice’ and in the mean time, I would not have been seduced by any other model or alternative lenses (as I did in the past). As a professional btw, that’s about how long a depreciation runs in most countries. Look at how Fujifilm & other CSC-stories roll – I think that many have spend in this time two or even 3 times the budget to end up with… basically still the same feature set – to achieve today a more or less flawless workflow in the real world. For many, it also added in a very time-consuming adaptation of software, conversions, settings,… Somehow, I think the commercial re-buy impact – keeping the fire burning at most CSC-manufacturers – will gradually dry up and when everybody has gone over the wave of change, Nikon & Canon will be there with the real next gen mirrorless ranges, FF and native mount, to recuperate easily the ex-Sony’s, Fujis, Olympus, Pana and Samsung crowd. They were likely very wise NOT to join the first CSC-adventurer slipstream. I think even Sony is aware of that, reason why this sensor-division is so outermost important for their future. Looking at the price of this X-Pro2, I really can’t think of anything else.
Very probably.
Please do not worry about your English. It is considerably better than many of the English people on social media. You are easy to understand and l appreciate the work you are putting into this site. As for the price of the X-Pro2, it will always be overpriced in the UK compared to any other country in the World. That’s what we have to put up with here. Even so, It will be worth it.
hey, in Switzerland almost any electronic products (not Apple) are cheaper than in the rest of Europe. Even if you have to switch currency. I compare offen to Austria and Germany, but they are much more expensive. Maybe you can make a good deal here. Its not so far away.
I have no interest in the X-Pro2, but I’m hoping those specs are available on X-T2 soon this year. I been happy with the X-T1 and the camera lets me do what I need to do. The new specs are a welcomed technology especially a new sensor. Till then I’ll be just watching on the side lines, continuing using my X-T1 and Sony A7 II. If Fuji had a full frame, IBIS body with 1/8000 shutter etc…I would use one brand. But for now I it’s a two body two different brand life…Before it was Canon and Fuji and now Fuji and Sony :-/
The X-Pro 2 will be hard for me to justify. I have the X100S only now. The A7II is (for now) the same price, includes IBIS and will (probably) have better dynamic range and low-light performance. How high (ISO) are you comfortable shooting with the A7II vs your X-T1?
The benefit of being FF for me is that extra stop of DoF and being able to vintage lenses and having them be 1x crop vs 1.5x.
It occurs to me that Fuji (who we know read this blog) may be – in this case – pumping out a piece of info to gauge the market. I dare say it could be a little tight on time frame but it feels like a price related ‘fishing mission’ to me to see what people feel is fair.
I would say £1000-1200 is fair. Same as original body. That would be my hope.
It needs to be more than XT1 as flagship but price could really hurt them in the long run.
The huge price drops after release just upset those faithful early purchasers but that had always been the way I guess!
The problem is, normally a flagship has features that lower models do not have. For better or worse, Fuji made the X-T1 so good (and I hope we can assume the same for the X-T2) that the X-Pro2 doesn’t look like a flagship. It looks like a camera with a different shape and a hybrid vf. How much is that worth over the X-T2, is the question.
I get that. But in reality, the additional money is (assuming they are true) for a dual SD slot – extremely valuable for redundancy in case of card failure, updated sensor (welcomed) and processor (needed as XP1 was slow) and weather sealing – also a real benefit that likely required quite a re-arrangement inside.
It will – if true – still be the flagship.
The XT1 is a better camera that the XP1 as it’s newer in the same way that the 7D mk2 is better than the original 5D with the new tech in it.
I think they are trying to separate them in terms of customer base. Either will do most jobs pretty well but the RF style and operations probably doesn’t lean towards sport/wildlife like the XT1 does and I dread to think how hot dual HS2 cards would get at 11fps blasting away at the finish line. My HS2 card reader gets v-hot just importing a few ’00 files.
Presumably, if that is their intention, the XT1 will have some changes in v.2 that makes it a different camera to the XP2 rather than ‘better’.
This is of course, entirely subjective though with regards to asthmatics and feel. I simply prefer the XP1, X100s and XE2 form and experience. For portraits, they are less obtrusive – especially for kids and look less ‘intimidating’ if people are more camera shy.
Having a huge ‘pro’ 50MP f1.2 FF body isn’t always an advantage.
Plenty for those that don’t like the DSLR-like design. Why not have 2 top-tier cameras in their line-up with a staggered release schedule?
makes perfect sense to me, or even make the X-T1 with faster frame rate or video or something, and X-Pro with the hybrid VF. This could justify a similar price, and caters to the specific markets most likely to buy these cameras within the Fuji ecosystem
Patrick, I come here for the information, not an English lesson. Even as a native speaker/writer, I still get things wrong now and again. So, don’t worry about it.
Get better and Happy New Year! 🙂
Dear Patrick,
Continue to inform you as you did. As a “non-native English speaker” I really appreciate your concise and easy communication.
Danke schon et bon rétablissement.
You are doing better than most native speakers.
That’s quite a price tag for an APSC camera. I’m only willing to pay it (for the X-T2) if the AF performance is up to DSLR standards and dynamic range is improved. Otherwise I don’t see the point, and will stay with the X-T1 + DSLR combo for now…
What a joke….$1700?? I paid that for the first X-Pro1 only to see the price plummet within months. I’ve never owned a faster depreciating camera than that X-Pro1. Anyone who pays $1700 for this thing is nuts, you KNOW you will be able to buy a mint, used one within 6 months for $1000. I’m trying to sell my X-Pro on Craigslist right now with Fuji M adapter AND the optional grip and I can’t even get $400 for the lot.
I like the Fuji system but the cameras are way overpriced for what they are, and they tank in value almost overnight. You can buy a brand new Sony A7ii for $1700…and while it may not be as enjoyable to use, the image quality is superior and it is packed with a lot more tech.
People who paid full price for Sony full frame cameras feel the same pain that you did with your X-Pro. Just look at the depreciation the original A7 suffered.
agree. but not as much as the XE1, lol. a second hand XQ1 now worth more than XE1 (body only) on ebay, lol.
No comparison. I can still get almost half of what I payed for the A7r, but I paid half of the X-Pro 1’s initial price for a brand new unit with extended guarantee.
That camera is a current great bargain but almost unprecedented in its immediate and violent plunge in new prices within a year.
But Fuji gear has always been something of a luxury item. I knew when I bought the X-Pro1 at $1700 that it wouldn’t hold it’s value, because it was overpriced as compared to the E-M5 with which it competed on spec. Cameras are only investments they help you shoot and grow as a photographer.
I didn’t expect my X-Pro to be an investment….I’ve owned countless digital cameras since 2003 so I know very well how things depreciate….which is why I also know very well that the Fuji’s are brutal in how fast they depreciate relative to other cameras.
Yeah. I sold my D800 after using it horribly as a do-it-all tog for a wedding, school, family, and sports studio. It wasn’t in great shape and had amassed 160.000 clicks and sometimes 2000 a day. I got back two thirds of what I paid for it. Not amazing but considering its shape…
I really liked the X-Pro 1 but that thing didn’t hold value anywhere. It is possible that today it will do better. But that is because Fujifilm have expanded the lineup and have become a household mirror less name.
Maybe today is a better day to challenge the market with a quasi-niche camera.
I got a brand new one eight months after release for half the price. Brand new.
….my point exactly. I don’t think I could come up with the name of another interchangeable lens camera that depreciated that quickly. On that note, you can now buy a brand new X-Pro1 for $500….$500! So…if I’m lucky maybe I can sell my used one for $250…really??? 8 year old D700’s are still selling for $800…
Most cameras tank in value overnight. If you want an investment, consider mutual funds.
I don’t buy cameras as an ‘investment’ and depreciation is to be expected. What is NOT to be expected is a Fuji camera tanking quicker then other brands. I, like many others sell cameras to partially fund the purchase of newer ones several years later. I’ve been doing this with Canon since the 20D and always got a decent return on the used gear. The Fuji cameras aren’t even worth selling they depreciate so badly.
guys you can’t just say it’s old sony tech i think it probably takes a lot of time and money to develop a new Xtrans sensor. it might be based off the sony but seems like it would require different manufacturing techniques to get the non-bayer pattern. they milked the 16 as long as possible, and now here is the new cow… to milk. it competes with full frame cameras but is still generally cheaper than one. there is some cost in that active evf hybrid. the x100t is still almost $1000. I’m not really surprised at the cost. it will eventually probably settle for around $1300 for the body
It competes with FF?? How do you figure that?? No, it competes with APS-C. Also, it is not ‘generally cheaper’ than a FF…it’s the same price as a Sony A7II, more expensive than a Canon 6D…and almost the same as a Nikon D750….Crazy.
But have you compared prices on Canikon’s and Sony’s top tier lenses vs Fuji? Competing on IQ is boloney, but on price, with the exception of the X-Pro model, I think that’s about right.
You’re right when it comes to the lenses. In my opinion the Fuji lenses from a quality perspective are superior to what I owned with Canon and almost as good as my Leica/Zeiss rangefinder lenses. If anything Fuji could probably charge more for the lenses.
Don’t know about Canon lenses, but what you say holds true with Nikon lenses; At the bare minimum Fuji lenses are equal to the best Nikon offers; And when you compare “kit lenses (18-55)” or big trans-standards (XF18-135 Fuji) Fuji is head & shoulders ahead
It’s the same price as the sony yes your right, but the release date price of every other camera you mentioned was much higher than this rumor of a price. I stand by my statement as it being generally cheaper. it will hopefully settle to a much more reasonable price after release. I was just saying that the sensor is probably unique to this camera, and that has an associated cost. The differences in aps-c and ff are getting fairly negligible at this point ::yawn::
The differences between micro 4/3 and APS-C are getting fairly negiligable at this point…yawn.
I think your right! There is a greater difference between micro 4/3 and full frame. This is not an interesting conversation
Then stop replying:)
ha! ok. wait am i replying? damnit
That much new technology to justify the price increase?
This whole “it can’t cost more than Sony because Sony has FF/IBIS/more megapixels” reminds me of the argument people used to make in the early iPhone vs. Android wars. “Apple can’t make the iPhone X so expensive because Samsung has just released Galaxy Y with a much faster CPU. Apple is doomed.”
And here we are in 2016, with Apple eating majority of smartphone profits with their (spec-wise) inferior phones.
“Usability” has a price too and people are willing to pay premium for a more usable product. Specifications of pretty much all modern sensors are now at a level which makes them absolutely adequate for all kinds of general photography… and the results you get from cameras are much more dependent on other factors. Usability is high on that list.
As much as I love the results from my FF Sony IBIS ultra-megapixel “digital imaging product”, I have to admit it sucks in usability terms. My old Nikon FM3A is more usable than this half-baked computer, half-baked camera. Paradoxically to what Sony would want, I think those cameras make most sense to a narrow niche of people who want to shoot legacy manual lenses.
Fuji nailed the ergonomics and the lens system. They feel they can charge that extra 300-500€ for that alone. Maybe they’re right, maybe this is what most people really want.
I’ll agree with you to a degree….the usability of the Fuji’s are definitely nice…and the lenses are excellent. If anything Fuji could probably get away charging more for the lenses, but what they charge for the bodies is ridiculous. The bodies while nice to use are still APS-C and outdated sensors at that. Yes, the sensors are ‘good enough’ for most of us but come on, when you spend $1700 on a body you should be expecting more.
Well, $1700 was the original price of the X-Pro1 at the launch date. Why ask for less on the next generation product?
Same thing with sony releasing a7 II, it had the same launch price as A7.
Please don’t give them stupid ideas. Bodies come down in price really quickly which is why you can buy an awesome X-E2 for under 400€ used now. Lenses on the other hand keep their value much longer. So I love how Fuji’s lenses are pretty affordable for what they deliver and the bodies start overpriced for rich early-adopters and drop to normal levels very quickly.
No complaints here.
That’ll be £1 699 to £1 799 in UK then.
😀 come on guys, you got good salaries on the island
So cheap ! I will buy 2 to feel like I’m getting a full frame !
You’ll have to but two and a half to get full frame. But who will split the leftovers? I’m keen on cutaway illustrations so let’s see what we can do.
At that price, I definitely will not be an early adopter. I am sure it will be a great camera. However, I am still getting very nice photos from my X-Pro1 and can wait till the price drops, just like I did with the X-Pro 1.
If they want it to sell well, they should sell it for no more than $1400. I don’t see how the X-Pro 1 and X-Pro 2 would cost more to make than the X100 series. So, it should be priced accordingly.
I dont geht this “too pricey”-discussion and complaining.
First of all: you all know how the electronics Business is running. Almost everything has a huge Price drop within the First year.
So if you dont want to pay the Full Price – wait for it.
But if you dont want to wait – pay for it.
And if you feel like this camera will not meet your (Price) Expectations, or if you feeling like you cannot live without FF get a Sony, Canon or whatever and become a happy photographer.
And second: Its not all about the latest sensor, biggest sensor size, highest resolution and newest technology. The best camera Is not necessarily made of the newest components. Newer doesnt always mean better. Bigger doesnt mean better. It is all about Fine-Tuning of all components to another – software and hardware. And in my opinion Fuji is handling this difficult challenge pretty good!
Remember: the Grass is not greener on the other side ? every camera system has pro’s and con’s
And most of all, camera’s just a tool. In the end its the user that matters.
It has an Hybrid Viewfinder which is a unique feature, that is one reason for the price.
Most are forgetting that the X-Pro1 debuted at the MSRP of $1699. Selling for $1799 sounds reasonable to me. $1899 may be slightly pushing it, but it has to be compelling enough for Fuji customers to upgrade.
Thanks Patrick for all the great information you provide. Don’t worry about your English. How about writing in your native language and then let the so called English teachers use Google Translate? 😉
I am looking forward to this great product and will use your link for ordering to give you the very well deserved commission.
I don’t think $1700 is overpriced and for all others… just wait some months to get great discounts (as usual). I am currently still using my “old” X-Pro1 and having great fun with it. Just came back from a short trip in Spain and was able to make some nice shots. I am not looking just for specs alone. A camera like the X-Pro1 together with its lenses is a wonderful crafted product, that brought me back the joy and feeling of a real photographer. The X-Pro2 will just be a natural evolution, the next step. However, I decided not to sell my X-Pro1. It has a special part in my heart and I will keep it forever.
Yes, there are cameras with much better specs available. But hey, when I look at the many pictures on all the photography sites on the web, I really think the limiting factor is most likely the person behind the camera. Guys, go out and shoot!
ok… I’ll choose one of my native native languages (since luckily I grew up with more than just one of them 😉 )
The X-Pro2 is for people who want the HVF, rangefinder style camera. That’s the killer feature that no other manufacturer has (except the super-high end Leica). You can see outside of frame lines, and it’s OVF. There is a market for people who want that feature. The X-Pro2 also has dual memory card slots. I don’t think other mirrorless cameras offer that feature.
The guys who are complaining about sensor, tilt-screen, 4k, etc, this camera isn’t for you. They should wait for the X-T2. I have no need for HVF so I’m one of the people who will wait for the X-T2.
yup, I’m afraid I am in that camp. Can’t be sure but it looks like a 2 year old A6000 sensor in a camera that cost 3x as much.
Nope.
It looks like an old A6000 … from 100 meter distance. Now come closer. I’m sure you’ll notice the difference!
I find the whole Fuji/Sony body price comparison irrelevant for one simple reason, the two companies have completely different pricing strategies. Fuji charges a premium for their camera bodies and a more than reasonable price for their excellent lenses. Sony on the other hand charges a large premium for their top quality lenses. The camera body is only part of the equation as no one buys just the body but into the system.
Comparing a system with the latest Fuji camera, the X-Pro 2 (I have estimated the UK price as £1,300 based on the expected Euro price), the 16-55 f2.8, the 50-140 f2.8 and the 56 f1.2, and the Sony A7MkII camera, the 24-70 f2.8, the 70-200 f2.8 and the 85 f2.8, the prices for each system are :-
Fuji = £3,620
Sony = £6,290
The other factor to be considered is that, as Zack Arias and others have shown, the quality of prints from both systems at A3 will be such that it is impossible to tell which system was used.
Not to mention that Sony’s system will be bigger and heavier.
http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/x/fujifilm_x_pro1/ We have a timer countdown
This camera is gorgeous. It looks like it will create amazing killer pictures. The fuji xtrans sensor produces files that in my opinion look similar and have the detail of a 24MP bayer sensor file, (this is just opinion) but Ive done side to side comparisons (not with lightroom as those files look kinda washy, even with the clarity trick etc..) I would then argue that the 24MP xtrans would look similar to 36 MP bayer sensor, which is nice, I was playing with a RAW file from the Sony AR7 II, my computer didn’t like it at all, even with 4gb of GPU, 16 RAM, quad core I7. But I can edit Fuji files on my ipad pro with nary a hiccup. Now, I really pray that fuji has their video improved, I would love to put some fuji glass with some good video.
Hope you get better soon, Patrick. Thanks for the hard work and for the great news this week!
Cheers,
Daniel
Get well soon!
Your English is great Patrick. At least it’s not worse than mine. 😉 Best wishes!
Patrick, I am a native speaker of English. I have never noticed anything odd about your English. There are some small people who just get off on making people squirm. I always assumed English was your native language. Four languages. Wow, so much more talented than I.
Best wishes for a quick recovery from your surgery.
I thought I was the only one.. Never had a problem reading this site. I am not a native speaker, so I prefer simple words and not too complex sentence structures. Maybe one or two gramatical or spelling errors, but that’s normal for a blog and didn’t bother me.
I think Patricks english is way better than necessary for the page. No need for lessons.
Good luck if that price is correct. I wouldn’t buy small sensor camera for that amount again.
Did it back in 2012 when I bought X-Pro1, now it’s worth £250, won’t make the same mistake.
Same here. Not because of the depreciation, but because how obsolete it is on release date.
I don’t think a single camera built in the last 5 years is obsolete for the purpose of taking photos. You are being ridiculous. Is a Porshe Caymen obsolete because of the existence of a Corvette?
Cayman obsolete because of Corvette, not the other way around? 😉
I take it you only buy one camera and never upgrade again for the rest of your life then.
That comment is pure sophistry, illustrating again your infantile, silly little mind.
No. Newer cameras are shiny and smell good. They add features I didn’t have before. But my old camera isn’t obsolete.
I hope you feel better soon, Patrick.
the pixel area of their 16MP Sensors are 4.8 x 4.8 μm (squared). =~23pm (pico meter)
the same sensor size for 24MP has 3,9 x 3,9 =~ 15.2pm
thats a real issue.. you have 2/3 of the light hitting your pixel. and it is never enough to get the same low light performance as before.. fuji needs to get an even better light performance and noise behavior than the 16MP sensor whitch gather 50% more light. thats insane.. for 2 years sensor technology.
Will a X-T2 beat the feature set of the Nikon D500…
It’s amazing how people rip up the camera that’s not even released yet. Specs that are amazing so far and no doubt the camera will still take beautiful pictures. The best photos I’ve ever seen in my life were taken on film, on manual cameras with and without even ttl metering. Yet here the masses all are worrying about how many megapixels will it have and it has to have 4k video. My opinion is they should never have put video on a bloody stills camera!!. Evolution is a great thing but Jesus go out and take pictures without crying over a few lost details. The x-pro 2, x-e2s, and there successors will all take great photos. Get on with it. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.
If I had the funds I’d buy a Leica M246 in a heartbeat and go full manual – but hold on would it take good enough photos without autofocus with 5 zillion focus points, without +-9 brackets, without an evf with 1 billion dots and a refresh rate of .00001 secs?. Oh I better not, without all these new additions I could never live with myself.
Then stick to your film and manual cameras since they make the best photos. Why are you here on a Fuji rumor site.
I’m an X-T1 user for the past 12 months after using Canon 5D’s for years if you must know.
Never ceases to amaze me the childish crap that goes on on this site.
Never ceases to amaze me the illogical crap people spew in order to defend an unreleased camera.
Grow up, I’ll let you go back to the discussion with the rest of the children
Miss you already
Fuji still makes film last I heard.
Lol! I don’t think Mong Dinh was aware of that. Too busy getting a hard on talking Nikon comparisons and sensor sizes
Greg King once said ” Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.”
how long before the new sensor gets into X-Ex and X-Tx bodies?
The X-T2 (somewhere 2016), I hope in the first half. The X-T1 came on March, but thats probably too soon after the X-Pro2.
X-Es is going to be releases with the XPro2, but with the old sensor. So I guess that will take another 2-3 years for an X-E3 (if there will be one)
Patrick… Forget the haters… Your English is fine… We love what you do… Keep up the excellent work,! Usually these types of comments come from folks that only speak 1 language.
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I’m an Fujifilm X-T1 camera shooter and usually shoot with either an XF23mm F/1.4 R prime or an XF18-135mm F3.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR lens.
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I share my humble photography on my blog, jaxchile.tumblr.com
My experiences through photography in the true deep south… South America!
This stuff about your english is crazy – most American chumps like me only speak one language, not 4! And when I had the flu a few weeks ago I was curled up in bed in a ball, can’t imagine updating a camera rumor website when I had a fever like that.
You’re doing a great job and hope your recovery goes well – we need you for our Fuji Rumors in 2016 and beyond!
Rather than use surgery as an excuse for your poor English, ask their excuse for such poor character. Sometimes, the best defense is a good offense.
Scratch that: just ignore them and take pleasure in the fact that you’re getting a lot of attention.
Hi Patrcick. Sorry to hear you aren’t well. I hope you get over it soon and are fighting fit in no time.
Don’t worry about your English. I have never noticed anything wrong with it. It’s much gooder than mine anyway! ?
I (and the vast majority of your readers by the sound of it) admire your dedication and drive to keep this site up and running. Ignore the pedants and wingers. In making personal attacks, they are merely pandering to their own insecurities and trying to make themselves feel better.
Sorry to have had a low start to 2016. Things can only get better from here I guess!
Get better soon Patrick! Also I would have never realised English wasn’t your first language – it’s excellent!
Ignore the haters. You consistently do a great job.
It’s rly sad that people “attacking” those who think that “on paper” x-pro2 looks disappointing. Pure fanboism here. I have fuji and i like it a lot, all of my friends got fuji aswell cuz of me 🙂 and i rly hoped for something groundbraking for x-pro2 so i could’ve switch from canon completely, but looks like i gonna wait for 5D4 for work and trade X-E2 for next X100whatever for casual shots. Anyway we need to wait for real world reviews, but again, on paper X-Pro 2 looks outdated even before release.
No, it’s sad that people are only looking at paper specs and don’t care about image quality anymore.
Looking at the D5 and D500 both of them are outdate too – their specs get beaten by the not announced X-Pro2 – what a shame 😉
“paper specs and don’t care about image quality anymore.” – so, show me pls image quality of X-Pro2.
“Looking at the D5 and D500 both of them are outdate too – their specs get beaten by the not announced X-Pro2” – this is not even funny 😉
thanks for acknowledging that.
Here in Germany we say: insight is the first step towards improvement
thanks for 2 pointless comments, fella
why pointless?
After your post of whining without any information, it was probably a highlight here 😉
i thought common sense is strong in german people. Not in your case though 🙂
stop.
please just stop, making a fool out of yourself
oh, i’m sorry obvious troll-fanboy Umad.
troll-fanboy? yes you are.
Thought from a post, that you were a douche, but the more I read, the more I think you’re great! Like you way of thinking/writing!
A perfect description of yourself and by the way, if some the idiots on here who have been criticising Patrick’s usage of the English language, see your original post they will probably self destruct. My advice to you is to spend some money on an English language course before you spend it on photographic equipment as it is truly appalling.
yea, my English isn’t perfect. Never said anything about anyone 😉 Also no trolling, just pure facts
Until the X-Pro2 is released, specs are all we have.
The specs of the D5 & D500 are significantly better than the X-Pro2 specs. As they should do for full size DSLRs, but it’s not really a fair comparison. The sensor size is only part of it. People buying the D5 & D500 will be sports shooters or require very fast AF rather than high resolution / IQ. The X-Pro2 will is aimed towards a market that doesn’t require crazy fast AF.
If Fuji had used a 28-36mp BSI sensor (without X-Trans) then that would have provided serious image quality while maintaining good high ISO performance.
Sadly, I think they will opt for the older 24mp sensor, which can be found in cameras selling for $600 rather than $1,800. I really hope I’m wrong as the X-T2 (my preferred upgrade for the T1 I have) will end up with the same sensor. The weather proofing is the only thing stopping me from buying a 2nd A7rii.
since it seems you are only caring about specs only either, I will just post what I did a few hours ago (hope this helps realising how unimportant specs are). About the D5/D500
Does it have a BSI sensor? – Haters here say that is important
It has only 20.9MP – haters here say, 24MP is last gen, they want at least 36MP
it has 153 AF points in the middle. Haters here say, 273 on the whole sensor with 2/3 pdaf are not enough.
has it an EVF? because if the EVF is “Only” as good as the X-T1s, the camera will fail. At least the haters say that.
It only shoots 10fps. Everyone knows, that the A6000 can do 11fps and the Samsung NX1 15fps. Those things are important to haters.
seriously: very nice camera, and if my primary system were Nikon anymore, I’d probably preorder it.
But where exactly do those specs look better than the X-Pro2?
Specs are very important and cannot be dismissed. When I buy a piece of equipment for work, I need to know exactly what it’s capable of, what limits it has otherwise I could turn up to a job and look like a fool if the gear I’m carrying is not up to the job.
I don’t care what name is on the camera, it’s a tool to do a job, but it must be of a spec that is capable of producing images for 2-3 years that will not be surpassed completely buy my competitors. If my competition starts providing images of a higher quality / size etc, that could be enough to lose a contract. At that point the camera is sold and I have to upgrade to keep up with my competitors.
What sort of work do you do? I have been asked once in the last 11 years what cameras I use.
Advertising, Product & Stock Photography + stock footage. Whenever an agent gets involved they always tend to ask for more than what is actually necessary. It’s normally followed by heart failure when your not using a DSLR
Understandable. I (with a couple of exceptions) gave up working for companies and businesses in the UK as they agree to prompt payments and weasel out of it for up to 90 days at worst.
Working for the domestic market has its challenges but the personal relationships are so much more rewarding in my experience.
I hope you have a successful 2016. All the best.
Oh, i see. More is better logic is amazing – entry lvl dslrs with 24mpx probably better than current D4S/1Dx. I’m pretty sure my good-old 5D3 with 61af points (crosstype and double-crosstype fancy stuff) will track much better than 273 points, so all this much higher framerate isn’t important since af just lags behind (i just don’t believe in fujis statements about “fastest ever af” after X-E2 turtle-like af) [not just Fuji though, any mirrorless body, even a7r2]. Also on D500 / 7D2 af points are all over the place since they’re crops. And on FF “centred” points rly not a problem since most of us, sports shooters, using back-button focusing and that method eliminates that rare ocasion when you need to compose your subject outside “af box” and it’s much faster than any mirrorless camera with 1000000 af points on whole sensor – thats why joystick probably only exciting feature on X-Pro2.
And yeah, we don’t have “image quality to care about” since there is 0 samples, but we have list of specs to talk about.
I just love your rant.
I gave you an example of how stupid it is, to judge a camera only by it’s specs.
With taking my post seriously and posting your rant, you only showed your ignorance in the first post and that it’s nothing but a huge pile of crap.
I’m not a ‘hater’ and I don’t think 24mp is bad at all – it’s not all about resolution! IF it is the old A6000 sensor tech in use, that is now clearly behind the latest generation of sensors in terms of dynamic range in particular, but also noise. Could those who maintain that IQ has nothing to do with either of these two factors explain why? A pro friend of mine continually raves about the fact he can now do (with his D810 – about on a par with A7rii in these terms) in one shot what he would have had to bracket for on other cams, due to the fantastic DR of the Nikon. These are not insignificant specs, they relate absolutely to IQ in a way as fundamental as new, improved emulsions in film days did.
This isn’t hating but frustration – IMO Fuji have the best lenses and ergonomics, style, but are let down by out of date sensors. If the product cycle is c.4 years, it wouldn’t make any sense to start a new cycle with a sensor which is anything less than state of the art at the point of release.
We shall see…!
again – the thought that we will see the A6000 sensor 1:1 in the Fujis, and that it will perform exactly the same, is just not true.
And your friend is the perfect example. The Sony IMX094 is used in the A7R, the D800 as well as the D810.
Now the D800 is better than the A7R in terms of noise (minimal) and dynamic range. How is this possible? Well – they might have the same basic sensor, but manufacturers improve the basic Sony sensor and that is why the D800 is better (that goes for Pentax and Fuji too). And then the D810 is a refined version of that, which improves (especially dynamic range) once again.
So, while the basic sensor is the same, the D810 has over 2/3 of a stop more dynamic range than the A7R.
When the X-Pro2 comes out, you will see what a modern image processing pipeline is capable of 😉
The thing stopping me from buying an A7rii is the lack of lens choice!
Oh I would love it if Sony could take Fuji lenses! That said, the first time I left Sony (when i had a Nex7) the lens choice was not only poor but they were also poor quality. Now, the lenses are a lot better. The 16-35 is better than the fuji UWA zoom and there are no lenses for any system that can compete with the 55mm f/1.8 & 90 f/2.8. Not surprising they are sat at the top of the DXO ratings.
The 70-200 is also good but not Fuji 50-140 good. The 24-70 is average but I wasn’t really bowled over with the Fuji 16-55 either. The Zeiss Batis 25mm is easily comparible to the Fuji 16mm. So, I guess they are getting there but Fuji tend to consistently release good lenses.
It will be interesting to see how the Fuji 100-400 turns out. I’m waiting on that and the X-T2 to before I’d commit long lenses to the Sony A7rii. Besides, I love the weatherproofness of the T1, superb!
That was an argument 3 years ago, but not today. Some of the Zeiss Batis/Loxia lenses are brilliant and the new Sony’s work pretty much perfectly with almost all the Canon EF lenses.
I would make the argument that Sony probably has the best lens selection outside of Canikon. Fuji can use legacy lenses with adapters but many of them perform poorly and of course not at the full 35mm FOV.
I have to admit, when the X-T1 came out and I seen the specs, the design and features etc compared to the X-Pro1 I had, I couldn’t wait for it to be released. Pre-ordered straightaway. This time it’s different.
It just feels like a T1 with a 24mp sensor in the X-Pro1 shell. Hopefully it will be a brand new sensor rather than the one used in the Sony A6000. That was a good sensor but it’s getting a little old in the tooth now, especially if the X-Pro2 is going to be around the same length of time as the X-Pro1!
Just can’t get excited by this release. The OVF was only of use for lenses between 18-60mm. Anything wider or longer didn’t really work well. Hopefully they have a big surprise up their sleeve, they’ll need to for the price being quoted.
Isn’t the new OVF magnification modes a hint it might work with wider/longer lenses this time? Maybe, maybe not, will have to wait and see!
Maybe. It just comes down to how accurate it is. I know I found myself flipping to the EVF to accurately place the focus point onto the subject. That also applies to the X100T to a lessor degree,
Yeah I was originally excited by the OVF on the X-Pro1 but in practical use I found it lacking and completely overrated. The framelines were often not at all accurate (especially with early FW) and I found myself using the EVF 90% of the time.
I partly agree, except that these are still rumoured specs, without official word yet on some of the spec details. E.g., if the sensor is the old A6000 sensor with an X-Trans colour array, that would be disappointing, if on the other hand it’s a new sensor with state of the art dynamic range and noise, etc., that’s great.
I admit feeling deflated myself when there was no mention of BSI at least, which the most cutting edge sensors seem to have, but having settled a little after the leaked specs, I do think it’s wise to wait and see what the official specs and in-depth reviews are like – if this new cam is offering around 14 stops of dynamic range and improved RAW processing, AF, etc., I’ll be all over it.
Hey, Patrick, since everyone criticizes your English language skills, how about doing one post every week in German? If you do that, some of us (like me) who have a rudimentary grasp of that language can improve our reading skills, especially if you throw in some colloquialisms.
das wär ne super Idee 🙂
Jetzt geht’s los!
Eichkatzerlschwoaf!
one of my favorite words 😉
there’s more from where that came from 😀
Oak-cat-something?
more or less 😉
OK, just googled it. Tail-of-the-squirrel. It is also similar in function to “aartappel” here in South Africa.
Oh, you found it ?
Squirrel tail (Austrian).
So “wär ne” is the same as “ist ein” and “sein”?
Wär ne = would be
ist ein = is a
sein = be (inappropriate in this context)
X-PRO2 is too pricey for me. I can’t imagine that Fuji would not drop X-E3 to market in this year. All the technology is there, and nowadays people want stuff fast, don’t want to wait from two to three years (what some people estimated)
noticeably cheaper X-E2s is not competitor to X-E3, they can be in the market at the same time.
Look at it this way, you can now buy a brand new X-Pro1 for $500….so wait a few months and I’m sure you will be able to buy a heavily discounted X-Pro2. Only the insane would buy this thing at release.