At last! Our RX1m2 rumor was correct and Sony indeed just announced the RX1m2 with 42MP sensor and pop up viewfinder! It costs $3300 US or $4200 CAD or 3500 Euro and will ship in November. Preorder it now at BHphoto (Click here).
Image samples at Sony.
Hands-on photos at ePhotozine. DSLRmagazine.
Presnetation at Explora.
Full details can be read at Sony.net.
Hands-on pics at Imaging Resource.
The RX1RII has a unique new feature: The world’s first optical variable low-pass filter!
Sony writes:
In a first for digital cameras, the RX1R II features an optical variable low pass filter that allows shooters to manually adjust the balance of image resolution and presence of moiré or color artifacts to match the subject.
The three settings for the low-pass filter3 include “off”, which provides comparable effects to having no low-pass filter and is suitable when prioritizing resolution, “standard”, which strikes a balance between resolution and removal of moiré and color artifacts, and “high”, which places more emphasis on reducing moiré and artifacting. This unique feature allows photographers to achieve the desired image quality and resolution based on the presence of moiré-inducing high spatial frequency objects in the scene, essentially combining two cameras – one with and without a low-pass filter – into one body. Low-pass filter bracketing is also available and can be used to compare the effects of different settings.
This is the video that shows how it works:
Full press text:
Sony Introduces New Palm-Sized RX1R II Camera with 42.4 MP Full-Frame Image Sensor
Sony’s Latest Premium Compact Features Back-Illuminated Full-Frame Sensor, ZEISS® Sonnar T* 35mm F2 Lens, High Speed AF, retractable XGA OLED Viewfinder and World’s First Optical Variable Low Pass Filter1
Sony Electronics, a worldwide leader in digital imaging and the world’s largest image sensor manufacturer, has today introduced the latest addition to their acclaimed Cyber-shot RX compact camera line, the full-frame RX1R II (model DSC-RX1RM2).
Joining the original RX1 and RX1R cameras in the family of the world’s smallest full-frame cameras, the new RX1R II delivers the highest picture quality of any Sony compact camera ever made. This can largely be attributed to the new camera’s high resolution 42.4 MP sensor paired with its large aperture, fixed focal length ZEISS Sonnar T* 35mm F2 lens, which have been fine-tuned to optimize performance together.
Additionally, the new model features a 30% improvement in AF response speed compared to the original award-winning RX1 models and is equipped with the world’s first optical variable low pass filter that can be set to “off”, “standard” or “high” based on user preference, with low pass filter bracketing available. The camera also has a convenient retractable XGA OLED viewfinder for eye-level shooting, which has been implemented with minimal change in overall body size from its predecessors.
“The new RX1R II offers a combination of size and performance that has never before been realized in the world of compact cameras,” said Neal Manowitz, Vice President of Digital Imaging for Sony Electronics. “We’re giving imaging enthusiasts and professionals the opportunity to enjoy a camera with one of the most powerful combinations of sensor and lens in market today that can easily fit in the palm of your hand. It’s simply the latest example of the progressive innovation that Sony is bringing to the world of imaging.”
Ultimate Image Quality in the Palm of Your Hand
The new RX1R II camera utilizes a back-illuminated 35mm full-frame Exmor R CMOS sensor with approx. 42.4 effective megapixels paired with a powerful BIONZ X processing engine to achieve superior levels of image resolution and sensitivity (ISO 100-25600, expandable to 50 – 1024002) with wide dynamic range. The sensor’s back-illuminated structure, with an expanded circuit scale and copper wiring design, enables faster transmission speed and outputs data approximately 3.5x faster than the original RX1R, ensuring high-speed performance.
Matched specifically for the image sensor, the large aperture 35mm F2 ZEISS Sonnar T* lens ensures that all images captured by the camera are impressively sharp from the center to the corners. The lens also has a unique Macro shift ring for focusing on subjects as close as 14cm in front of the lens and has nine aperture blades that produce smooth, even background defocus or ‘bokeh’ in the most commonly used aperture ranges.
Another unique benefit of the new camera is its fixed lens design, which allows the positioning of its sensor and lens to be precisely adjusted to maximize all benefits of the sensor’s extremely high resolution. The closer the two components are to one another, the wider the angle through which light can pass through the lens and directly reach the sensor, resulting in imagery that is rich in detail and resolution. Also, unlike the focal plane shutter common to interchangeable lens cameras, RX1R II utilizes an in-lens shutter, allowing 1/2000 sec flash synch speed and a significant reduction in overall body size.
The new RX1R II also offers uncompressed 14-bit RAW image capture to maximize the benefits of the image sensor’s wide dynamic range, while also still supporting existing compressed format.
High Speed AF to Capture the Decisive Moment
The RX1R II model is the first in Sony’s acclaimed RX line of compact cameras to feature Fast Hybrid AF capabilities. The camera’s sensor features 399 focal-plane phase-detection AF points that cover about 45% of the image area – the world’s widest AF coverage on a full-frame sensor1 – that work together with 25 contrast AF points to achieve focus response that is about 30% faster than the original model. Additionally, the camera has adapted an advanced motion-detection algorithm that offers superior tracking performance of moving subjects and allows for the addition of AF-C mode that accurately tracks a subject after focusing. It also can achieve up to 5fps continuous shooting with AF tracking.
Other focusing improvements on the new model include multiple AF area settings including Wide, Center and Flexible Spot and Expand Flexible Spot. The camera also has Eye AF and lock-on AF.
World’s First Optical Variable Low Pass Filter
In a first for digital cameras, the RX1R II features an optical variable low pass filter that allows shooters to manually adjust the balance of image resolution and presence of moiré or color artifacts to match the subject.
The three settings for the low-pass filter3 include “off”, which provides comparable effects to having no low-pass filter and is suitable when prioritizing resolution, “standard”, which strikes a balance between resolution and removal of moiré and color artifacts, and “high”, which places more emphasis on reducing moiré and artifacting. This unique feature allows photographers to achieve the desired image quality and resolution based on the presence of moiré-inducing high spatial frequency objects in the scene, essentially combining two cameras – one with and without a low-pass filter – into one body. Low-pass filter bracketing is also available and can be used to compare the effects of different settings.
New Retractable XGA OLED Viewfinder, Tiltable Screen, HD Video and more
New for the RX1 series, the RX1R II has a built-in retractable 2.4 million dot XGA OLED Tru-Finder that pops up and down with simple one-push operation. The viewfinder features ZEISS T* Coating and four glass elements including two aspherical lenses that work together to deliver a magnification of 0.74x4 and clear corner-to-corner visibility with minimal distortion. The new camera also has a 3.0 type WhiteMagic™ 1.2 million dot LCD display that can tilt upwards up to 109 degrees and downwards up to 41 degrees, allowing for a greater range of shooting angles and positions.
On the video side, the camera’s advanced sensor and processor deliver exceptionally detailed movies with low levels of noise. It is able to support full HD 1920×1080 video recording at frame rates of 60p, 30p or 24p through use of the versatile XAVC S movie recording format5.
The new RX1R II camera is also Wi-Fi® and NFC compatible and fully functional with Sony’s PlayMemories Mobile™ application available for Android™ and iOS platforms, as well as Sony’s growing range of PlayMemories Camera Apps™.
A new version of the popular “Smart Remote Control” app (version 4.0) from PlayMemories Camera Apps, which enables remote shooting from a connected smartphone, will be released that features updated bulb and continuous shooting functionality to match the new camera. Learn more at www.sony.net/pmca.
Pricing and Availability
The Sony RX1R II full-frame compact camera will be available in November for about $3300 US and $4200 CAD at a variety of Sony authorized dealers in both countries. There is also a new camera case (model LCJ-RXH) that will be available at launch that fits snugly on the new RX1R II as well as the original RX1 and RX1R models.
A series of exciting new content shot with the RX1R II camera can be found at www.alphauniverse.com, Sony’s new community site built to educate, inspire and showcase all fans and customers of the Sony imaging brand.
The new content will also be posted directly at Sony global sites https://www.sony.net/Product/di_photo_gallery/.
For US customers seeking more information on the new RX1R II camera, please visit http://www.sony.com/electronics/cyber-shot-compact-cameras/dsc-rx1rm2 .
650 Responses
is it not RX1RII rather than RX1MII?
now I am really pushing it, any sign of an A7000?
Please, A7Rmk2 and RX1mk2, make a child and call it A5
Color me surprised, I didn’t think we’d ever see another RX1. No 4k so it doesn’t trample on the A7rII too much. $3300 though, ow. The 50 people that were planning on buying a Leica Q this quarter just cancelled their orders.
No 4K , but not for the reason you state, they couldn’t get there thermal efficiency (cooling) necessary, tiny body with way more crap going on inside than the A7S due to the 42MP FF sensor. Simple physics at play. And before someone points out the RX100M4, that’s got a 1/4 scale sensor/processing pipeline & battery draw.
No 4k not for sport photographers, but its the best pocket camera
Exactly what kind of sports photography is done at 35mm? What kind of cinematographer would like to shoot with an electronic focus by wire system? :/
Chess and minigolf.
Which is why he said it’s not for sports photographers…
What happened to the curved sensor + compact 35mm f1.8 lens?
Well it was a bunch of rumors after all
It was patents before being rumors. Anyway, that’ll be the third gen!
These things take a while, I even have a hard time imagining the wafer they would need to produce a curved sensor
haha – it is a sphere
They produce flat sensor and then bend it. That is why that sensor for 35/1.8 lens had a very modest curvature.
It evaporated.
RX1Riii or RX1Riv
Looks awesome, but holy price tag
Not exciting at all. More expensive than A7RII, but no 4K and no lens change.
Sony missed the mark, IMO its priced there so it doesn’t cannibalize sales from the A7rII. At $2500 it could be a great standard/wide/backup camera option.
In what world does a niche fixed lens camera cannibalise sales from an exchangeable lens one?
This ^
I own a RX1 and picked up an A7ii and it was not for me at all. Wayyyyyyy too big, I love shooting in 35 and the controls are ideal IMO. I liked the iq of the A7ii and the OIS but it was just too big to take anywhere like I can do with the RX1.
I’m really excited about this camera. $3300 sucks, but at least they threw in the EVF this time. I’m buying.
More expensive, but featuring an excellent lens. And smaller.
I agree.
Who cares about a variable rate low pass filter? I’ve not had one, at all, for years, and don’t even think about it. It’s a non issue.
I think the sensor in this great but i’ll just go for the a7r II thanks.
Because you don’t need it doesn’t make others the same. Remember when live view appeared on dSLRs back then?
Yeah because miniaturalisation always makes everything cheaper right?!?
,,(ISO 100-25600, expandable to 50 – 1024002)”
WoW ISO 1.024.002 more than the a7sII and this with 42MP! Sony has you build the APCS Sensor in it?
You read that wrong – it’s boostable up to 102,400 the 2 is an addendum
Unfortunately no, the 2 at the end comes from a footnote. The actual maximum ISO is 102400.
Good God that is amazing. Hopefully it has a minimal amount of splash/dust resistance. If Sony releases a wide angle converter, this will be very, very hard to resist.
Variable Low Pass Filter with LPF bracketing sounds like a reaaaally interesting technological advance!!
I guess we will see this in all future A7 cameras as well.
No more 5Ds AND 5DsR. You can have both in one camera! Really cool =)
Finally.
For that money I could buy 10 Olympus XA and 750 Rolls of Tri-X
Add the cost of developing and having the film scanned
ok… thats true. – lets say 1 Contax T2, and 500 Rolls of Tri-X plus 30 Packs of Perceptol, and a 150$ EPSON 4990! Deal?
A 150$ EPSON 4990. LOL
you can also get yourself a 70$ Durst M670 and a 20$ flatbed scanner instead, still have some money to spend for paper and chemistry
How about a Nikon COOLSCAN 5000 for $1500-2000 or a Hasselblad Flexlight X5 for $25000 or a used Hell/Heidelberg?
What I’m trying to say is, that I consider the old Nikon 5000 as the minimum for acceptable quality.
Dont underestimate the Epson, its a great allround scanner for all types of film, especially if you’Re using it with anti newton glass inserts to get the film flat. I know Flextight scanners, and i’d say you can get like 3x times the resolution versus the Epson out of it but for me personally it wont justify the 100x cost.
connectivity might be an issue with new computers though
Right. However back in the day when I worked in a studio, one computer was dedicated only to our scanner (a lovely drum scanner) anyway. So you can easily reuse an old Mac for that. It just takes up some space.
You can easily and very cheaply develop Tri-X at home. After that, a used enlarger and a good scanner will be enough for most purposes.
no need for scanner of enlarger, lightable, digital camera with macro lens – that’s how i scan 😉
I got a good deal on my set. Either my Kaiser enlarger came with a free Epson V700 or that V700 came with a free enlarger 🙂
nice, does v700 come with silverfast?
nope, need one actually
You could buy 23,100 ramen noodles for that money
You speak in my language, oh honorable but broke one.
Yeah right. Developing and scanning is high as hell. 5 rolls developed and medium res scans from Richard photo lab is about 130$. That’s only a 180 photos.
Yeah right. Developing and scanning is really high. 5 rolls of film developed and scanned at medium res from Richard photo lab is about 130$. That’s a 180 photos.
Does the price of a digital camera include the PC you need to work on the files? Don’t think so…
Wow. Really nice. Not bad on the pricing either. Just a $100 more than the a7rii and comes with a great lens.
But no IBIS, 4k and only one lens.
Its way more compact, I’m okay with that.
I have no issues with the size, I actually really like this announcement, prices higher than the A7rII that I already own, meh.
With a gorgeous lens for + $100
Well, if you accept the drop of resolution, it can easily go to 50mm and even further.
There is no physical room for IBIS. The Body is small, the Viewfinder is in the way, and the special custom lens is buried close to the sensor.
Wasn’t commenting on the physical size, just the “$100 more than the a7rii and comes with a great lens” – but you also don’t get a lot of what’s in the A7rII.
Apples and oranges – and a silly comparison since you’re not cross-shopping the two against each other.
now we’re talking… that f-in’ POS snap-on viewfinder was the only thing driving me absolutely nuts… though getting spoilt with IBIS in my A7Rii bodies is making me wonder if I want to pull the trigger, hmm….
A-mount is dead
If they can be bothered to put this sensor into the RX1 but not the A99, then yes, A-mount cameras are history now.. Hope the A9 is coming out next then. Thought what I really hope is a medium format 80mm f/2 (ok, for compactness sake, 2.8 would be also fine – 55mm also accepted:o) fixed lens mirrorless from Sony – for close to half the Pentax 645Z price.
A thing of beauty!
The Canadian Dollar / Price is fatal though. Please, everyone, drive your cars more, and use more gas. I need the Cdn price to drop so I can afford it!
Drive to the US.
Really nice. RX1 on steroids. A dream of a camera! Still wondering who will prefer an RX1Rii over a Q.
Those who prefer 35mm, and/or need/want 42MP.
Everyone.
Sure.
People who aren’t as concerned with brand snobbery
Two out of three comments are stupid trolling. Pretty sad.
I wasn’t trolling, it’s a truthful and hard fact. These are the same people buying Range Rovers which never see a dirt path. Not to say every Leica owner is like this of course but I bet a high percentage have no idea what they are except the brand name
I would prefer it. Even though I prefer 28mm over 35mm, the 42MP make for an incredible digital zoom.
I definitely prefer it to the Q.
1. Size.
2. Preference for 35 over 28 (personal choice)
3. 42 MP for cropping (makes a decent 50mm camera)
4. Video likely much better (especially if does have slog2)
5. PDAF – lovely extra to have
6. Price
I’m not crazy about the controls of the RX1 (I wish it had the A7 style lever on the AEL button to double the programmable buttons), but I’d say it’s probably on par with the Q (which has that damn awful Fuji approach of one control to set shutter speeds in full stops, and a secondary control to adjust in 3rd stops). The minute I saw that on a video about the Q, it was dead to me.
There are no doubt going to be some shortcomings with the RX1Rii, but so far… it has my attention. I recall saying about the RX1 if they added PDAF and an EVF it would be a case of shut up and take my money… I’ll probably end up putting my money where my mouth is. Let’s just wait for some initial reviews at least.
Leica Q just got wrecked
not
I really doubt this.
Now this is interesting, would like to see how it compares to Leica Q that I was planning to buy. I guess the EVF will be worse and not sure about AF as original RX1’s AF wasn’t that great
It got the 399 PDAF from the A7rII, with hybrid focus…
5fps C-AF.
I think AF is not a problem for this camera.
PDAF and 42mp was really unexpected.
But it will be a great challenge to the NP-BX1 battery…
And the new variable-low pass is impressive.
With all other features on other cameras I hope that they go all-in for the A9. And I hope that variable lowpass and ND becomes standard soon.
THIS is the story here! Variable Optical Low Pass Filter! Hopefully this makes its way into the A9/a99 or whatever they have in store for professional photographers who need more than one focal length 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKoWrkEj1qo
Now I want variable low-pass and variable ND for every camera.
Does this mean with “Low-pass filter effect on” the battery life is shorter?
The AF better be perfect on this thing. No more half measures.
399 PDAF from A7rII + hybrid focus.
They say 30% faster. That’s good, but does not sound like perfection.
At this astronomical, I’m not even bothering to read the details. Who cares. Apparently Sony is ripping out all the coach seats and going totally first class.
Buy a6000 or a7ii. This is a flagship model.
I have an a6000 so I’m one of the users on the APS-C death watch.. I’m thrilled by this new camera, can’t wait to see clueless celebrities and silicon valley capitalists flashing it around in public.
Clueless how? It will probably be one of the best cameras out. Maybe you’re thinking of leica. Why is everyone so bitter because they can’t afford it? I bet if it $1200 everyone would stop crying.
Agreed, definitely one of the best cameras out there and the price is in line with the RX1 (although that’s a bit of a circle argument). Still, it is quite expensive and that can be frustrating 🙂
I wouldn`t compare this to Leica. Leica maybe has a name and tradition, but this is so much better and still cheaper than anything leica has to offer.
Nah, some would still complain about it. It’s all relative to ones standards. Some can afford paying $3300 for a camera, some can’t. It’s just that some of those that can’t can actually deal with it.
Maybe they are bitter for the same (nonexisting) reasons you are bitter about Leica customers. Just a wild guess.
Of course, what jimh said, is nonsense. As your Leica comment. 😉
How am I bitter about leica? I can afford it. But why would I pay double for a camera that’s half as good.
The Q is neither double the price, nor half as good. Sorry, on problem if you prefer the RX1, but what you said is, once again, nonsense.
Non sense because I guess it doesn’t make sense to you. Leica is a boutique camera company. Even they admit Sony is doing better than them. The leica q will be nowhere near as good in size, technology or image quality. It’s a fact.
If you say so, sure it is a fact. I give up. You won.
APS-C death watch?? Hahahhahaha, lol. Are you honestly complaining that Sony hasn’t come out with a new apsc camera? You have what is arguably one of the strongest apsc cameras on the market right now. What is your a6000 NOT doing for you that you need a new camera so badly? Please, post your images and show us. I currently use an a7 and I am perfectly happy with it, even though since my camera came out Sony has released a7r, a7s, a7II, a7rII, a7sII. Don’t just wait around for new releases, use what is in your hand. Go create ART.
The RX1 paved the way for the cheapest FF around, that’s why you should care.
Their new develompents will reflect the future cameras.
Anyone knows if it features the S-Log2 setting ?!
It doesn’t mention anything in the specs. There is a round-up of the video features here http://www.thevideomode.com/news/sonyrx1mkii-1477/
Yeah went through the specs list and no sign of that.. That’s sad !
I wouldn’t be surprised if it has both SLog2 + SLog3.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it lacked both.
Oh, this is so nice. But why is it way more expensive in Euros than in $ US?
Because Europe.
tax
Actually, is there any sort of official info about EU pricing?
The article says it costs $3300 US or $4200 CAD or 3500 Euro at the beginning but since that is not part of the official press text, not so sure.
I hope it won’t end up costing more than Leica Q in the UK
Yeah that’s why I’m wondering about EU pricing, I don’t see II listed on any official EU sony site.
I’m guessing because the Euro is pathetically weak at the moment.
It’s most expensive in CAD I believe.
Sony. A-mount full frame body. When????
Electronic Jewelry- nuff said.
Really? What other Camera has a variable aa filter and over a million ISO?
Oh boy, do you really believe that? That astronomic ISO value is of course a typo.
to be fair, that 1M ISO won’t be usable and how often are you going to use variable AA filter, I’d keep it off 😉
Where do you see over a million ISO? The specs list a maximum of 102K.
Learn to count the digits of big numbers 🙂
There are people here in SAR that really believe this million thing and start to claim RX1m2 has even more than A7S ^_^
Typo. But still amazing none the less.
haha – you are right. Press-text typo is: “1024002”.
I’m going to get a bit philosophical here. Splitting hairs over points of distinction between products like this I believe misses the point. There’s a story in peoples heads in which they vicariously see themselves using this product in a certain fashion- that drives the desire to acquire these products. The act of capturing an image is a visceral experience.
For some, this camera is a rational way of “having the best” while curbing lens addiction. For others, the product allows them to make a mental accent as to the benefits of owning a fixed lens system in practical everyday use. Minor mechanical differences are just a way to rationalize that reality.
That thing doesn’t come blinged out for no reason. These are meant to be products people lust after- hence the quality build and a bit more attention to detail. It’s fashionable consumption of the highest sort. Nothing wrong with that, but no one needs this. Besides, what happened to that curved sensor we were all hoping for?
I think it is great solution for people who want to carry camera all the time with them. This is really the only truly pocketable high IQ camera. I can`t even carry nex7 in pocket with a decent lens. Works probably only with 16-50, and that lens is pretty poor.
Hmm, the NEX-7 with the 35mm is almost the same size as the RX1. Pretty good results, imho.
More high-tech bling for the children of the ultra-rich.
Is moire really often a problem on 42 mp?
It probably is with that lens.
Interesting they kept the 35mm focal length. It gives owners of the original (incl. me) no reason to upgrade. If it was a 50mm, I would be seriously tempted.
Firstly, this move saves cost so you don’t have to develop a new lens.
The lens is already extremely optimised for this camera, it’s buried deep close to the sensor, and it’s an excellent lens for its size due to this trick.
If anything they should have gone wider and rely on cropping for digital zoom to create the equivalent of 50mm. At 42 mp this would still produce really nice resolution.
shit shit shit no 4k not even 5 min s35 they missed this one i was looking forward to it
Put the FE 1.8/55 on your A7Rll and this over your shoulder and you have the ultimate journalists set-up. Very, very nice job Sony.
I wonder whats the viewfinders magnification… Can’t find that info anywhere yet
0.74x
It says in the press text 😉
Thank you!
Yes pleas, but with 24mm. For me it would be the ultimate “in the pocket” landscape camera…
Now this is what I call a sexy camera! On your face Canon 🙂
OMG SAR is dead!!!!
Absolutely great, but it would’ve been better with a wider, well-corrected lens.
These guys from official Sony site are insane. They put 5 image samples in ultra low resolution, and even give you the option to enlarge them over 100%. As if they were selling a $40 cellphone.
No that’s what pros do: Downsample to 4 mp! Tony Northrup agrees that downsampling improves IQ by crushing noise. I sold a 4 mp jpeg to McDonalds that they successfully blew up to billboard size
One good point over Q is that ti has bulb mode, Q tops at 30s and no bulb mode and another good thing is that in crop mode (50mm) there’s still enough resolution
What does that source tell about a7000?
Let’s not even talk about it any more.
I’m really glad they were able to find room for the viewfinder. There is so much insane technology crammed into this little package, I never even thought were would even be room for it due to the Full Frame sensor, and the Special lens that has glass elements buried deep below the red metal frame.
The EVF seems to be small, 0.39″ vs 0.5″ on A7RII, eye relief also 19mm vs 23mm
Yes, correct, its a tiny camera compared to the A7Rll, something has to give. Sony aren’t very good at “tardisian-physics” one of their many weaknesses.
hahahahaha!
does not matter, with 0.74x mag this is probably bigger than any apsc dslr, the A7R2 is huge by the way, the biggest on the industry.
not sure about that, Q has really nice EVF so does X-T1
A7R2 has the biggest EVF, even bigger than Canon 1DX wich had the biggest until A7R2. OBS: I know Canon has an OVF…
Some context
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3790946
The A72/R2/S2 all have 0.78x mag
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Drevil_million_dollars.jpg
One Million ISO!
And a tiltable screen! Much more important than that weird low pass tech.
Well dayum
I WANT! I WANT! I WANT! I WANT! I WANT! I WANT! I WANT! I WANT!
Why not the 1.8 curved sensor? =(
Anyway I WANT IT!!!!
That will be the RX1Riii for $4000 or even the RX1Riv for $4500. Don’t worry they will both come out soon. 😉
I really want, but i will not buy, hopping some rich person to give me. =D
Nice avatar. Is that you?
Yeah, my younger me.
Facebook child’s day.
But to be fair, I would prefer something less advanced, a sub $1500 RX1 would be a hot sell, 24mp or 12mp with improved AF and EVF.
I have to agree if it was a curved 12mpx BSI(if it makes any diference in this case)
35 1.8 lens. Wow that would be my go to camera to everywhere.
Curved sensor is unlikely to be seen in “premium” cameras – curved sensor is a workaround for cheap optics or highly “space-challenged” optics.
As in: Good chance it’ll be limited to phones and maybe ultracompact point-and-shoots. But likely phones, these are FAR more dependent on vignetting/distortion correction of optical system aberrations than nearly all other cameras.
Andrew Dodd, pay atetntion to what you just wrote and see how it makes perfect sense for this camera that is a Full Frame compact, with fixed lens.. Curved sensor until the moment has better light gathering capability, No image degradation, if used with the correct lens.
Why it is unlikely to be used with premium cameras btw?
And 1:1 aspect ratio!
At last!!!!!!!!
I prefer 24 mpx sensor with IBIS over this. Only pro will take full advantage of 42mpx sensor. It is good to have ability to crop the image so much. But the huge size of the file will have some troubles for post processing and storage.
In general I agree, or even the 12mp sensor. Convert your files to lossy-compressed DNGs though and you will see a massive difference in file size, and I have noticed no practical degradation in quality. It’s at least worth a try!
Anyone – not only pros – can get super clean and sharp 24MP images from 42MP files, whose quality cannot be matched by any native 24MP camera.
I understand that. My point is if someone is really serious about photography, A7RII with a bunch of lenses is probably a better choice. If this camera is for enthusiasts, or rich guys who can easily afford it, they would rarely take full advantage of the 42MP sensor. 24MP with IBIS like the one in A7II is more useful and versatile. It also reduce the burden on storage and poss process in the first place.
With no IBIS, 4k and so on…
IBIS?
In Body Image Sensor? YES!
This lens is very special. It’s not E-Mount. There is no room for IBIS.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8453/7989080283_925522fc47_b.jpg
Great camera no doubt, but
1) You won’t fit it in your jeans pocket
2) It’s another device to carry (besides the phone)
3) Most of the cell phones have ~30mm equiv. lens, of course they are not f/2 equiv, but the perspective rendering is quite comparable to the 35mm. You won’t take a head shot with it for sure.
The question is would you spend “about $3300” on a redundant device considering all above plus knowing the grey A7r2 is $2700 and the 35mm f/2.8 ZE is ~$600 ($3300 total). It will be a little bigger, but you’ll get IBIS that worth a lot IMHO.
As a 2nd camera – definitely, at least that’s something I’m after.
Agree on the perspective. 24mm will be much more interesting for me. This will make the camera perfect for landscape shots.
My dream is a retractable high quality zoom, similar to the 16-50 APS-C in size, but high quality and FF. I know that I’m asking too much – unfortunately no one can beat physics, even Sony 🙂
I wouldn’t mind bringing two compact 16mm and 50mm fixed lenses for better image quality, and probably larger aperture. I never like small aperture on kit lenses, event mounted on full frame body due to the very thick DOF. The pics come out just meh, hardly different from pics taken with the iPhone in good light. I went for Fuji and very happy with my decision. The 35 F1.4 has excellent bokeh and 18mm F2 is very useful for low light landscape. Just wish the 18mm F2 could go wider as 16mm F2. I always prefer 24 mm over 28 mm equivalent.
Its pockeable, not in all pockets, don’t want to invest in a second system, my cellphone will not take pictures with no even near quality of this, sepcialy in low light and will have evf.
THe price is too high for sure, just have to wait a little until some very gentle and kind people to give me one =)
1) No, but will fit inside pocket of sport coat or jacket.
2) As are all cameras
3) seriously – you are comparing this to a cell phone camera and lens?
This lens is superior to the 35mm 2.8 in more than just aperture size – and the A7rii + that slower lens is much more than a little bigger.
1) In Texas you’ll be carrying the camera in your jacket ~3 months in a year.
2) I’m sorry for not being clear – the item 2 makes sense only after the item 3: You’ll be carrying two devices with a similar focal length (equivalent).
3) I’m just comparing the perspective. The IQ of the FF sensor is better no doubt!
The RX1 lens is just 1/3 of stop faster, I doubt you would notice it IRL. The RX1 lens has worse CA and unfortunately I can’t tell anything about the resolution (different sensors): http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-Cyber-shot-DSC-RX1R-lens-on-Sony-Cyber-shot-DSC-RX1R-versus-Sony-FE-Carl-Zeiss-Sonnar-T-STAR-35mm-F28-on-Sony-A7R__1196_894_1251_917.
Yes, the A7r2 is a little bigger, but as I said I has IBIS. In low light it’s a significant advantage than 1/3 of a stop. For the high resolution sensors the IBIS is even more important: I shoot the 5ds r handheld with Auto ISO + 1 stop, otherwise a chance of getting a blurry image is very high, with the A7r2 I can go 3 stops below the recommended speed no problem.
1) In Greenland you could carry the camera in your jacket all year round, there’s no point in arguing this.
2) Many photographers don’t even consider their smartphones as a device for photography, because they deem the IQ unusable. Even my friend, an enthusiast, never uses his smartphone to take pictures except when using it as a means to record information.
3)Where’s your “1/3 stop” coming from?
1) I don’t live in Greenland so it is a point for me.
2) Where did you see I was comparing the IQ? Read #3.
3) Sorry, it’s one stop. The IBIS gives you much more than one stop assuming the subject is still.
1) The thing is the pocketability of this model varies based on climates and personal habits, bottom line the thing offers a lot for its size, so there’s no point arguing this.
2) It doesn’t come to focal lengths if one of the competitors in question is deemed unusable because of IQ.
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1) Yes, you’re buying an almost pocketable* (*for some people) self-sufficient 35mm lens 🙂 And I bet it’s still cheaper than the new wide angle Otus alone, just not as good optically.
2) For most people the IQ matters only if the whole picture looks satisfactory (the subject, composition, perspective). That’s why I compare perspective. Looking at the “web size” you won’t see much difference, except of you won’t be able to pull much from a phone sensor due to the bad DR. Take a look at those pics for example: http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/12/5802800/iphone-photography-awards-2014, they don’t look cheap.
3) The bokeh difference exists but it’s not significant for 35mm between 2 and 2.8: http://dofsimulator.net/en/?x=AFeA4QF3AAAIJAUkAAA vs http://dofsimulator.net/en/?x=AFeAoQF3AAAIJAUkAAA. If I’m really after “bokeh” then I would probably go with the Sigma 35 f1/.4 Art. Together with the A7r2 it’ll be ~$3400 (a $100 over the RX price).
It’s a crazy day.
Don’t forget the variable low-pass filter drains your battery even faster if it is enabled 😀
No 5 axis stabilization like 7R-II? Why?
no space?
Make it a little bigger!
Lack of IBIS is unacceptable!
That is why there is A7rII
Why unacceptable?
Is totaly acceptable for this form size.
The whole purpose of this camera is to be small and portable. If they have made it bigger, we would get just another A7R2, only f`d up with fixed lens. And really, do you really need that much stabilization for a 35mm lens lol
AMAZING how anyone was able to get a steady shot (pun intended!) before IBIS, right?
Love it on A7Rii, though never an issue with it missing in my original RX1. Quit whining 🙂
People also were living in caves at some point, and noone was complaining.
Well, if we’re complaining about inability to get steady shots with an F2.0 35mm glass without iBIS then perhaps it’s time to consider other hobbies? I hear yodeling is the next big thing…
Besides… I’ve no idea what Zeiss is thinking about those poor Otus guys with their 50mm and 85mm and no IBIS to be found. Yes, having IBIS is nice, but it’s a nice to have not a must have. I’ll take a compact RX1 over IBIS anyway. For everything else there’s A7Rii 🙂
There’s tons of situations where one will not be able to do a steady shot at 25mm. Perhaps it’s time to consider other gear.
They even left the AF out, atrocious! 🙂
It will make it bigger body
Probably bcause they don’t want to hear ‘o nose its 2 thick’
This is a good deal, said no one ever
The guy that bought the hasselblad solar or lunar will probably think it is. If they add some wood
true
That guy is insane so he does not count 😀
What else offers you this performance/portability at this price point?
+1
Sony has yet to come out with a camera that I as a major reviewer could recommend at any price!
http://j.mp/1Nd03Ak It is just about the difference between pocket friendly and pocket unfriendly.
Can we get an a99 firmware update, with the a77II style quick menus and greater button customization? Would be nice to have at least two Sony cameras with identical menus and controls. As it stands now, not one of my a900, a99, a77II, a7R, a7RII, a7II, RX10II has identical E-sthetics to another.
Really, that’s all I want for Christmas. Just a lil’ love. Lil’bit. No more tech-porn… just a lil’ genuine love. Let’s cuddle Sony. Trying to make nice here.
No you cannot, go buy our D810, its made for guys who never graduated the nineteen-eighties.
Touchscreen? What touchscreen? It’s a fucking sony! 19 century in the age of starships!
Looks cool!
No dual card slots.
this is your complain? try harder…
No triple card slots?
That will be the new standard, triple redundancy. Anything less and pros can’t use it.
What about artists like Ken Rockwell?
Really, triple redundancy for their (moms dark basement) cat pictures……
No quadruple card slots???
Slot 1: Random pics
Slot 2: Random pic back-ups
Slot 3: Selfies
Slot 4: Cat doing random selfies
42 Mp without IBIS is clearly overkill. But I really understand why Sony did that. It’s the only BSI sensor they have with great on-sensor PDAF.
Every place where you could keep shutter speeds at 1/100+ I’d say it isn’t overkill. That’s a lot of situations.
Errr, what?
Sony should make WA and Tele converters for RX-1R like Fuji made for X-100. Imagine 24mm and 75mm converters… it would be best travel cam, probably weddings use it too.
I’m more than happy with my Q. ?
Good, but i enjoy 42mp and 35mm
Do you already own it?! Lucky you!
So why comment? Obvious troll is obvious.
I comment saying that I’m happy with my Q. I add that +40MP do not interest me, and I could take into consideration an RX1 with a 50mm lens, be it with 24 or 36 Megapickles. A 35mm lens, at this price, owning already a great Q, does not interest me.
Marco, great that you are happy. We are basically just saying that your comment is completely pointless lol. But cheers!
Great. I would like to add that I am very happy with my ham sandwich I had for lunch, and that generally I prefer ham to turkey. A peanut butter and jelly sandwich, already having eaten the ham sandwich does not interest me. Are there any other irrelevant points of preference that you would like to share today?
I had Qdoba today and it was awesome… just feel a little gassy since…
I can’t understand why you are taking it that bad.
I wrote that I’m happy with my Q, does it hurt you? I bought a Q because I was tired of waiting for the new RX1. There were only little rumors about a curved sensor and an f1.8 lens. Got the Leica, and I would have some doubt/temptation/g.a.s. attack only if this new Sony had a 50mm lens (they finally had a dam*ed evf).
I see my happiness in a different way than you: as I wrote above, I don’t need to look for other women if I’m more than happy with my beloved wife.
You can eat one hundred sandwiches, but I’m ok with one, until I’m hungry again.
Back to cameras: right now I’m not hungry, because the Q satisfies my appetite.
Cheers and good light.
Nobody cares about your luxury camera is the point. Move on.
So your problem is my “luxury camera”?! 🙂 you should have said it before and we would not have waisted so much time! 🙂
Btw, the UK price of this RX1 doesn’t look so cheap either..but you’re going to buy it right?
Anyway, I hope you will enjoy it!
Enjoy your sandwiches too ?
36 megapicles? you must be hungry … 🙂
How do can you say you’re happier with your Q (which is a lovely camera) when nobody has used the Sony yet? Kind of like saying “this steak tastes better than that cow over there”
I can also say that I’m more than happy with my wife, and I don’t need to look for another woman.
Have to say, that this (SR3) was accurate
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/rx1-successor-could-have-popup-evf-ad-42mp-sensor/
This is rich people’s toy
Nice! So version 2 firmware, with improved AF and RAW for all us chumps who bought the RX1? Or now Sony have our cash we are just left to rot?
You’re complaining that a 3 year old camera is out of date?
How is it old if it has the same sensor and image processor as A7II.
Not sure about the sensor, think the processor is different. It’s a great camera could do with faster AF in low light, hoping against hope that Sony update the firmware a la Fuji…
Also wonder about A7 Mk II owners, will they get a version 2 firmware?
Given Sony’s track record it’s 50/50. Odds of the original a7/r/s getting it – 1/1000000
Yes sadly I agree, especially about the A7r, which like the RX1 is still a current model. In fact all the A7 series are still offered by Sony.co.uk, so you’d that Sony would be more attentive to their customers. Most of the other manufacturers are.
We shall see, though somehow I doubt it.
Sony not big on the firmware updates. fuji will do the firmware updates and fuji owners appreciate that. Sony listens to customers then makes a new camera with the improvements, we are stuck with their Beta versions of camera systems.
Yes I know. Just hoping a squeaky wheel gets some grease. Hope springs eternal.
Well it was released in September 2012…
Indeed I am. Still a current model though. Though I expect it will be discontinued soon enough…
why are you even complaining? your camera isn’t suddenly trash. shut up and shoot. when it’s dead, you have an updated model to purchase.
This! The RX1R1 takes the same pictures as yesterday before the announcement of the R2.
Hubby: when you purchased the R1 camera you did your research you knew what you are buying into (unless you are sitting on a buttload of cash and could care less how to spend 3 grand but in this case just buy the new one too). Bashing Sony for not updating the R1 after three years (or ever) is kind of funny. Why did you buy it in the first place if it didn’t deliver to your expectations?
Firmware updates are to fix programming mistakes bugs etc, not to give you new and updated features. Anything above that is considered a gift…
Oddly enough I can do both, despite your obnoxious attitude.
Soooo….expect these to drop in price after 2 months release. Got it.
So when did rx1 drop from release price of 2800? The answer is never.
There will be “open box” deals on Ebay a couple months after release, always happens.
The boxes don’t even have to be open for them to be cheap.
What do you mean? Brand new RX1 is $1700 now and for some time already. $1900 from US.
rx1 never dropped its OFFICIAL pricing.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=891105&gclid=CjwKEAjw-vewBRDH1-b52Lig1hkSJACTPfVFYkLScw8Bz8N99Gg1fG1mt0P5LMk6–C9dK6Th_BTNxoCX37w_wcB&is=REG&m=Y&Q=&A=details
Who cares about OFFICIAL pricing?
Touchscreen? What touchscreen? Sony you amaze me more and more! 19 century in the age of starships!
This is not the feature you are looking for. *waves hand*
At this stage, I expect touch-less screens. I just make a come here motion with my index finger, and wiggle my penis and the AF automatically focuses on the nearest hot chick.
I enjoy how Sony specifically mentions 14bit uncompressed RAW like it’s some kind of a technological advancement from 22nd century.
It’s not half as funny as every time Canon presents a new body with “improved” DR. Never fails to crack me up.
If they didn’t mention it, there would be all the trolls claiming the Sony RAW compression makes the camera dead on arrival. Given how much press there’s been about the issue, it’s not surprising they mentioned it at all.
Maybe they shouldn’t be implementing 12bit compression at all in the first place.
And about The A99 II?
RX1 ebay 800$ here I come
Uncompressed raw coming to the A7rII on Oct. 19: http://briansmith.com/sony-arii-uncompressed-raw-firmware-update-announced/
no mention of weathersealing…
It’s definitely sealed against sunny weather, even with some wind.
Not really, sunny weather and wind are ideal to put some dust on the sensor and every lens surface inside.
it’s a fixed lens camera…
So what? Focusing is pumping dusty air in…
guess you’ll just have to live dangerously? Jesus you guys complain about the dumbest stuff
Cause Sony wants to be able to sell you a new one at full price so they need to be able to deny your warranty.
I had this concern at one point myself. But, after almost 3 years of use, over 20K exposures in pretty much every weather including snow and Indonesian humidity I’ve yet to discover any issues with mine. No, I wouldn’t pour water on mine like some Olympus and Pentax guys do, but anything short of real abuse seems ok. The thing looks and works like brand new.
for moderate use i totally agree, weather-sealing is over the top. but for users like me (photojournalist) i need to be sure nothing gets in while im rolling around some bombed out shithole in syria or at a science base in the arctic. I bought the original Rx1 and it was dead within 3 months…thats why we all still use the ancient (but resilient) technology that canon has to offer.
Our canon gear doesn’t survive the salt air in the caribbean compared to the sony, but to each his own.
Dead within 3 months ! Wow !
Why releasing another RX1R version when they could have done a more than wanted high-end APS-C camera without a ridiculous pop-up viewfinder !!!! Very disappointing from Soney ( Sony+ Money)
It’s more and more like Hasselblad which is able to sell a piece of cake at Leica SL ( new version) price…..
Maybe they wanna steal Hasselblad customers 😉 with that policy
Really? Does anyone really want that?
Maybe it’s the D400 whiners over from Nikon rumors. Why they won’t buy a Pentax, or OMD is beyond me. I couldn’t be more thrilled with this announcement.
Definitely yes. I’d use the $2000 I’d save by not buying this hokey bling-y new “Full Frame” product to do some traveling and get some photos.
Crop sensors are a thing of the past in Sony’s world. They’ve been pretty open about, together with Zeiss.
Nothing is being ‘cropped’ in a smaller sensor. My APS-C images don’t have black bars around them. It’s unfortunate that camera terminology is now burdened with 100% pure market-speak.
And it works, a lot of amatures are buying a FF camera believing this will take better pictures… I often ask what are you going to use it for, and I do not get many answers that really justify the price difference betwen crop and FF
What will be the inevitable sequel to Full Frame? What name can they come up with that will suddenly make FF owners feel inadequate, and ready for a “serious” camera? It’s hard to beat “Full”. Maybe “Pro Format”, “Total Frame”. The new sense format doesn’t even have to be bigger, actually – just more serious and professional-sounding.
And now, with this amazing new RX1, we have “full frame” without even the advantage of all those the legacy lenses. It’s just “full”, because, well, because it is.
To be fair the price difference between apsc and ff is getting so small that one might as well go ff.
A Fuji X system easily cost 80%+ of a Sony A7 system when all this considered.
Well, somehow you need to differentiate the sensor size, especially as it relates to lens selection when put in context of the traditional 35mm. This isn’t 100% pure market-speak but generally accepted terminology related to FL conversion factor. What do you think MFT refers to, for example? Semantics 😉
So why not call it 35mm? That’s what it was called for the first 100 years, after Eastman and Edison came up with the dimensions. I never realized my film camera was “Full Frame” – if I had, I known my pictures would have been much better. Today, somehow, ‘Full’ is smaller than Medium or Large.
Sony is just like the airlines today – they see all the profit in First Class and are making plans to reduce Coach seating. Everywhere you look, retail is becoming stratified, two-tiered. Mid-price retailers are failing, and either moving upscale or down. Luxury goods are selling well. That’s what this goofy new RX1 is – a luxury product for people who want to drop thousands on a “serious” camera and will only shoot JPGs with it.
3 years waiting for a Pop-up EVF… I hope there will be a Leica Q with 35 (or better 50mm) 🙂
As much as I applaud Sony’s willingness to take risks, I’m kind of annoyed that they found the money to make this niche product (again) but couldn’t be bothered to make an A99ii. Does anyone else realize this is the 30th anniversary of Minolta’s A-mount? Sony hasn’t acknowledged it at all, and couldn’t spare the resources to put out one more legendary camera to honor that legacy, if even for the last time. And yeah, I get it, the A-mount is dead. But products like this prove it didn’t have to be. This has to be a smaller niche than A-mount shooters, yet Sony continues making these cameras. They just stopped caring about the mount that have them their start.
Agree with you. If Sony has limited R&D resources, they should focus on a99II, not RXII.
Hate to say it but i think A-mount may be dead.
Do you by chance happen to know the statistics in sales for their mirrorless products vs the A-mount?
How much could it cost to use the same camera shell and drop in an updated sensor you already have? What are they waiting on? A freaking cybershot line is nothing but a quick grab for money. I’m totally fine with it, but seriously? Reach into the freaking parts bin and slap something together- you got what you need.
Going solely by the number of people asking for an updated RX1 vs the number asking for an updated A99 I would say it’s a bit of a wash. Saying that, how many of the RX1 ‘askers’ will buy it vs the A99 ‘askers’? I can tell you from experience on these forums that probably 1/4 at most of the A-Mount beggars would actually buy the thing… RX1 wins.
You know big companies do research on these things right? And have the stats before making decisions?
RX1 niche is much smaller overall than A-mount FF niche.
You must be right because you said it?
Same question to you.
Sony said it by bringing this to market, they know more than forum experts (though they will claim they ‘obviously have no clue’).
“Sony said” isn’t actually an argument as this company has a long history of marketing failures. Including the A-mount btw. Aaand incuding them being surprised with the success of E-mount at all.
Yep and you are one of those experts that ‘knows’ that you are right. A-mount failed because they didn’t market it right and blah blah blah. A-Mount failed because people didn’t buy them, even long time ‘supporters’ do nothing but moan every time a new A-Mount product is announced. End of story.
Cool story, pity you’ve made it up from start to end. No sales of initially good (even superior at some point) product = bad marketing. Get over it.
As for “moaning”, every person I know either updated to A77II or is wating for A99II to update.
Cool story bro. Would that be all your tink friends?
Aaand here we go. Out of facts? Happens.
I think it’s fairer to say that long-time supporters weren’t enough to satisfy the growth Sony wanted. I, for one, have owned 7 different A-mount bodies and 12 lenses from Sony. And I was a Minolta shooter before that. If they came out with an A99ii tomorrow and the specs were a reasonable improvement on the original, I’d definitely buy it. No moaning here. But they wanted to attract a lot higher numbers from Canikon, and the only way to do that was to create products those guys don’t have. Enter the E-mount bodies and the RX series. I wouldn’t say the A-mount is a failure, though. It still has a loyal following, but they’re getting really gun-shy about buying anything else without seeing a commitment beyond mere words from Sony. We’re still getting too many mixed signals, like refreshes of lenses and words of reassurance… but all the money is getting poured into E-mount and this expensive niche gadget.
your experience on these forums is meaningless with regard to the A mount FF pro market. A lot of us are waiting for the mark II, quietly.
Hahaha! ‘A-Mount pro market’…
I don’t think we know exactly how many people are asking for an RX1. Different markets might yield different results with that question.
I’m not avoiding the point here- which is the glaring lack of interest for A mount products. I get they do research- that’s a given. I don’t have access to that research so I’d be completely speculating. what I can say is that- updating your A mount lenses and leaving out an updated body puts you in a territory I like to call…GFY territory. Sony needs to drop the A9 or A99II like it’s hot- and today for crying out loud. I think they can pump out a body.
I wouldn’t hang my hat on any forum data either. I bet just as many potential buyers who say they’ll buy an RX1RII will just go out and finally purchases the RX1 as prices drop or an A7RII in the end. Again, it’s all speculation unless sony wants to crapp out some numbers for us mortals to analyze.
Rx1 sell more than A99. Umm.
Can’t wait for the RX1RIIb1!!
I’m not waiting for a FF X100 anymore. Looks like this is it. It’s a shame Fuji is living in cheap-o land with their cameras. I can’t wait to travel and shoot weddings with this thing!
I do agree with this. I got to get my hands on all the fuji cameras recently. I don’t get the buzz at all. They felt cheap.
Nice optics though.
True. Both Sony and Fuji have great optics though so it’s somewhat of a wash. And Fuji is hampered by that horrible X-Trans sensor that won’t play well with LR. I shoot professionally and if you can’t play with the Adobe workflow easily that’s a non-starter for me.
I love fuji but without decent video and the fact that it’s an albatross when you try and edit photos (oh that), I can’t own one anymore…
Now where is the A7000?
Try shooting X100T (which I own) at close/macro range and tell me the lens is good.
Fuji optics has nothing against this Zeiss.
Yeah you can also offer me to shoot a distant bird with it and compare the result to 600mm telezoom. A-ha.
Weddings with only 35mm? I pity your customers who all will get wrong composition and/or perspective in 99%+ of pictures they paid for.
You are either trolling or you have no understanding of the fact that wedding shooters use multiple cameras… Or the fact that even tho a wedding shooter may use multiple cameras it’s very common for 80% of the day to be covered with a 50 and 20% with a 35 or 24. Many of the best shooters out there shoot the whole day with the Contax 645 and the 80/2 exclusively.
yeah… definitely clueless, peevee. 35 prime is my goto lens during reception and portraiture. As nice as this is I’m sticking to the A99s, really hope they release a mark II, have had to freeze my lens purchasing for over a year now
You could shoot any wedding with a 35 as your primary lens. I’ve shot a two with a 35/1.4 as my only lens, couple was happy with the images. Most of the time I use a 35/85 – though with the Batis and the A7rII, I’ve moved to 25/85 along with the 16-35.
Cheers
See, many more that just 35.
Because someone said ‘I can’t wait to shoot weddings with JUST this thing’?
Obvious troll is obvious. It’s even his profile pic. Move on.
OP never said anything about it being the ONLY camera. Again, I’ve shot with just the FE 35/1.4 and it was fine, lots of room to crop with 42 mp.
Cheers
I just chatted with a guy who says he uses a Roki 14mm 2.8 for much of his portrait wedding work. What the……..
I’ve done portraits with the 14. You can get a pretty fun bobble head look.
To be fair- Sony did delay this RX1 successor but seriously- talk about product churn. This should have come out before the A7RII. Lack of 4k seems puzzling- must have been a quick buck. Still no A99II? I mean, you’ve got a line up of atleast a dozen 1K plus lenses you STILL sell. Customers who are invested in a system overpricing it’s optics fairly beyond the competition- and yet, no competitive body at all after 3 years (a77II just doesn’t count).
Facepalm Sony- I just don’t get it. You really want to kill the A mount zombie with these electronic jewelry bullets.
>Lack of 4k seems puzzling< Yes, at first glance, but this is more to do with thermal cooling, or lack there of, the A7Rll will overheat in 4K and its a fat larger frame.
IMO lack of 4k is strictly a heat management issue. Margins are probably very high on this camera since most of it’s bits comes from other cameras and the lens is a sunk cost from the MK1. Though a A99II would also draw from the A7rII parts bin, seems telling about its future…
It depends… both Canon and Nikon are really expensive when it comes to the new design lenses. Take a look at the new 35 1.4 for example: Canon $1800 Sony/Zeiss $1600
The fact that the 85 1.8 from canon (released in 1992!!!) with inferior optics is less than half price as the Batis really does not prove anything.
the canon 85mm f1.8 goes for about $300new $250 used and it takes amazing photos.
There’s nothing “amazing” in that optics.
At that price, this is a great lens with very fast autofocus.
If you are looking for bang for buck then clearly this camera isn’t targeted to you.
It is not a bad lens… it is just not in the same league as the Batis
One is $250 and rocks the other is close to 2K and is excellent but so is the Canon 85mm f1.2 mk ii for that dough. I have done fashion mag covers with my Canon 85mm 1.8 and nobody at any agency or client has ever asked “couldn’t you use a better lens?” (ever)
Good for you. The batis is $1300 btw….
I would love to see a 19th century touch screen. So steampunk!
It’s not the first variable low-pass filter!!
Pentax had this for a long time (micro-vibration of the sensor)
It’s the first variable OPTICAL low-pass filter.
I hate those world’s best Statements. Especially if they are wrong (admin).
Nevertheless. Amazing camera.
Well Sony, sell back your A-mount business to Konica-Minolta, maybe they will be smart enough to evolve
seems like many of the improvements on this cam could have been made with firmware updates which sony never provided for the RX1 owners. I loved my RX1 slow focus, crappy video and all but this version does not cry for reckless spending. (and usually I want everything:)
I can’t think of a major feature here that could be added with a firmware update… Not one.
Real 14 bit Uncompressed raw
the pop up EVF obviously, but outside of a tweaked sensor most things like faster AF etc should be able to be improved via firmware
Don’t forget that faster AF may require a faster processor !
And the new sensor has more autofocus points and faster readout, both enhance focusing ability.
The AF is faster due to not a ‘tweaked’ sensor but a sensor with 399 PDAF points. The only things that are the same are the lens and kind of the layout of the design. MOST of the new functionality is hardware based. EVF, filter, focussing, tilt screen, resolution, low light performance, video etc.
?????!!!!
And what about the 399 PDAF points ?
You can add more MP via FW?
Yeah apparently according to some muppets on here.
as nice as it is, but that’s quite alot of dough for something so similar to A7rII.
so much rumor this week about leica’s FF rival, but then we got this, lol.
Sony’s IQ completely outclasses everything Leica makes below the medium format S. I guess now they’re trying to compete in the camera jewelry category.
hmmm… not sure i agree 😉 last time I compared A7R with 35 Zeiss with M240 with 35 cron I haven’t seen anything what you describe, if anything I’d say Leica pulled more detail, but that could be also because of cron
I’m going by the IR sample images for the 240 and the A7rII. Plus the limited ISO range of the Leica gives you fewer options. DXO rates Sony’s 42mp sensor more than 2 stops better than Leica, the cron can’t help you there. More detail can easily be extracted in post, 2 extra stops not so much.
Cheers
Yes VERY similar including price, but also includes a lens (a very nice one at that). Seems like. Reasonable deal to me.
Because they are large and pretty average (Sony do make converters BTW just not for this). This uses MP and cropping instead which loses a similar amount of IQ but doesn’t add cost or bulk.
rather have a crop button
With 42MP to play with I’d hope Sony would offer a sensor crop button where would give you say a 52mm lens at say 28-30MP, APS_C size. It should be a button not buried in the menu-thicket. The RX1 needed this as at least a programmable button option but never produced it. They could even keep going and crop into a 1″ sensor and give you a 90mm lens at 16mp… call me silly but this seems like a no-brainer….right?
At 70mm it will be a m43’s @ ~11MP.
That’s why Sony/Zeiss should better offer WA and Tele converters to RX1r (say 24mm and 75mm) and surely many owners would buy them including landscape and wedding shooters.
That button already exist, but it is in your computer at home and its called Cropping … Never understood why someone find cropping in post is so difficult?
There’s nothing difficult about cropping in post. But it is a huge advantage to be able to see exactly what a cropped picture looks like through the finder or on the LCD. And when opening the file in post that’s exactly what the file looks like. Especially when you are taking hundreds of pictures using different aspect ratios on the same card.
Why would i want to crop in camera in stead of crop in post, and have the oportunity to recompose the picture … Sorry but I dont see the advantage.
The advantage is clear: no post, no time spent post at all. Some people do not like to seat and work through a post workflow; any post workflow.
I enjoy working in post… Thats where I create the picture…
It isn’t. What was your point again?
enlighten me, what does an in camera crop do for you, that you can not have in post, exept for saving a little bit of space, and space are cheap and getting cheaper.
Who said it was? What is your deal? If you prefer to crop in post go for it!
Here are a couple reasons, because you are such a well deserving individual:
1. Can frame for the crop, final image. Some people prefer this believe it or not.
2. One less step to do in post.
3. While space is hardly a premium smaller file sizes mean less write times and faster processing times.
While cropping in post is fine so is cropping in camera. You seem to have an issue that people might want to crop in camera yet can’t understand why people might have an issue cropping in post. Believe it or not people have different wants and needs to yourself. Isn’t it mighty fine to have options?
RX1 is a small camera, if I was going to add another button to this camera already filled with buttons, I’d better make my choice carefully. To me this looks like a no go…
‘To me’ yes you have already expressed you have no interest. But that is the nice thing about the many customisable buttons, you can customise them to YOUR needs rather than trying to dictate to others that your needs ahould be the same as everyone else’s.
if that was true andre the world would only need one lens.
You do know the difference between in camera cropping, cropping in post and changing lens?
creating the photo and critical frame you desire in the camera. A lot of us photographers prefer to do more in camera and less in post. Guessing you’re a lytro guy
I’ve been an amature photographer since way back in the film days. When photography went digital I finally could get out of the darkroom. Today I prefere to exposure to exploit the sensor to the max and create the picrure in post.
it is true and it is called digital zooming.
And if you understand the disadvangates of digital zoom you understand why the world needs more than just one lens.
Personally, I’d like to have the sensor crop button. Just a preference over cropping in post. I see both points being made…valid points. Our minds and eyes see things differently via different tools. Not a deal breaker tho.
Whatever, I’m not an engineer but this should be offered. Can’t tell you how many times I was out with the RX1, looked at a scene and wished I had a 2nd cam. This would be a nice option whatever the size of the files
Cropping in post will do the same thing. Who knows if the crop mode is programmable to a button, but the newer Sony menus do tend to be.
I was thinking the same thing! or something similar like the new Sony Xperia Z5 Clear Zoom.
You have a point but I think it runs too counter to this camera’s aim. Digitally cropping doesn’t give you the same effects as different lenses at the focal lengths you describe– so to pretend that it does that in-camera is a pretty non-photographic way of faking a new lens/FOV.
You’ll just need to use your imagination (or the focus zoom wheel) to picture how you might be able to crop the image later.
ZEISS® Sonnar T* 35mm F2 Lens
I would like a interchangeable version of that lens
Well you have A7
He meant the lens, not the camera.
Well E mount diameter is not wide enough I guess 🙁
Nope
How can there then be a 35mm f1.4?
The size, as well as the distance from back lens to sensor(somewhat similar to flang range)
Did you mean on RX1 the lens has internally a shorter flange distance than e-mount and this allows making a 35/f2 lens this small?
It has shorter *back focus*. Flange distance doesn’t exist for fixed lens cameras.
I’m saying that they hid a lot of the lens into the camera body.
Wow, talk about adding insult to injury…
Sony can’t be bothered with it’s a-mount users, but it will however, release FF point and shoot camera’s. :/
No cool Sony… not cool…
Not buying anything Sony until us Pros get a suitable replacement to our A99/A77 cameras.
A77 II was a suitable replacement, but A-Mount moaners are just that.
I meant A77II! That camera is amazing, but even that should be updated to a BSI sensor so we can have clean high ISO to match the amazing AF & speed!
“Clean high ISO” in a SLT-camera??
That mirror costs you 1/2 stop of light in the optical path! Even BSI can’t compensate that.
BSI can compensate even more.
Yes – it can make a penis bigger :))
No. There is no evidence of that.
You should’ve been checking DXO sensormark more often. BSI always allows to dramatically increase sensor resolution leaving noise levels the same as old non-BSI lower resolution sensors.
Naw look at the little boy trying so hard to be meaningful.
They have increased resolution without sacrificing ISO performance many times without BSI, so that means kind of nothing. And there is definitely no evidence of it being half a stop to account for SLT and even then it still loses half a stop to non-SLT designs no matter how good the sensor behind it.
Do I really need to reply to this? Go learn the basics and stop telling stories.
BSI would render SLT’s 1/3 stop light loss irrelevant, as long as Sony keeps the resolution the same, because it would effectively double sensitivity from A77II, allowing for relatively clean ISO 6400 with minimal loss in resolution. Sure, a mirrorless camera always has a 1/3 stop advantage, but this is invisible until extreme high ISO levels of the sensor, and you lose the capability of true continuous AF tracking without blackouts.
I’ll gladly continue to take that 1/3 stop loss as a compromise for superior AF tracking.
Sony is speaking of 1/3 stop of light used for the PDAF-module. And one times Sony admitted that 1/2 stop of light is missing on the main-sensor. The difference of light is just a loss of the mirror itself, with no usage for PDAF, nor sensor.
As long as AF tracking is superior it is a price that is worth to be paid. But I guess with every generation of OSPDAF-sensors the gap is getting smaller and smaller.
As long as it gets me reasonably clean ISO 6400 with true full time continuous AF (no black outs), I DO NOT CARE.
I’m also in for more cross-type AF points across the frame.
Yeah using all the amazing APS-C BSI sensors Sony make?
It would be a logical next step for all Sony CMOS sensors.
Indeed. But you are already expecting it by your post above. Keep in mind the RX1 was released the same time as the A99 and has only just gotten an update, there is still plenty chance that there will be a replacement to the A99. A77 II is only 18 months old roughly and a very capable camera in its segment.
That’s why they gather at sonyalpharemorse.com
I just would hope, this idea of LCD-based low pass filter will not be implemented in the aps-c cameras. Generally, preferably not implemented in any other sony cameras.
What is the point of having FF matrix, top class lens, and then extra unnecessary plastic (no, even worse – LCD) light consuming, light reflecting, element?
This seems to be a total lack of engineering understanding what is the low-pass filter. Why it is needed. How it shall be designed and built.
Just pure marketing at the cost of IQ.
Such a shame for sony!
If you shoot raw and have good post-processing knowledge – is there even a point to this filter? Or is it just more hi-tech hoo-ha aimed a people who simply want to spend thousands for out-of-camera JPGs?
“This seems to be a total lack of engineering understanding..”
Funny, I was thinking the opposite. The new variable ND built into the Sony FS5 allows for almost infinitely adjustable exposure without having to adjust any of the 3 normal exposure values– something that’s never been achieved before in-camera. If they are willing to put that “extra glass” in front of the best video sensor they make, my guess is they know what they’re doing. This looks like a similar take on that idea and probably even more complicated.
You should end up with a higher quality final image using this filter vs. “fixing it in post.” Otherwise Sony would not have spent so much time and money on this. This camera is for purists who demand the ultimate in image quality, and it looks like they’re catering to that.
Three years ago. It didn’t fly.
Damn you Sony… I was just about to buy a Leica Q. I had an RX1 and loved the images from it, but the ergonomics sucked. I guess they haven’t improved, but the price difference (in Canada) makes this very tempting.
Talking of price difference, in Canada, the Q is $1700 more expensive than this RX1RII. In the UK, this RX1RII is going to be more expensive than the Q. Go figure.
That is really strange.
You could get both and give the Q to me. 😀 In return I give you the permission to claim you know me personally, and I will not actively deny it.
How boring.
I dreamt of it and we get this crap camera. 2 years after rx1!!!
Is it so hard to have a good 24mp like the new Leica Q?
With 35mm, uwa converter, crazy AF, bigger body, hybrid viewfinder like x100t, 4K.
Sell. I am going to wait again.
I keep my little X100T and go to buy the little Q
this 42mp sensor is better than the leica Q 24mp sensor in every way, better ISO better resolution better DR
and this camera is smaller than Q, with a tilt screen which Q doesn’t have
don’t know why you said crap
Right, let me explain you.
I don’t need 42mp, files are too big, useless.
I don’t care about tilt screen, at last, the Q has touch screen.
Battery on the RX1 RII sucks, no ND filter so far.
This Sony looks like a toy, i have big hand, and this camera is too small.
We are still on the same lens, why not get a little bigger body, with a F1.7 lens ?
Sorry Sony, but this one is not for me again.
Instant troll bait!
Sony to maximise add another 24mm to the RX1 family in say 6 monthes from now , improve as above and add qualcomm quick fast charge 3.0 and usb-c port , That is a camera to keep for the next 3-4 years.
Naw WA / Teleconverter adapters just negate the point of these things (believe me i have a cabinet full of WA and tele adapters). The option to crop when you take the photo is what I want and should be easy to implement but Sony hasn’t yet. And to Andre who wants to be a wiseguy and say crop in post…you should just get a Lytro and call it a day.
There goes the other kidney!
My mind is blown. Sony made a uniquely excellent and compact full-frame camera exponentially better. A pity though that is luxuriously but fittingly priced. A dream camera came true. I’ll take this evening to contemplate the consequences of this innovation instead of reading the gazillion bs comments.
I don’t think Leica can compete with this camera
Nope. They’ll certainly try. I’m thinking…a limited edition of the limited safari edition. Extra safari like with leopard stripes.
In what terms, if you’re talking about sensor resolution then yes, but in the other fields? Let’s have a look (and leave angle of view outside of comparison as it’s irrelevant – apples and oranges):
– AF: to be seen but I wouldn’t be surprised if Q was faster
– MF: no chance that RX1R has better implementation of MF than Q
– EVF: Q has higher resolution, eye relief will be larger too
– Bulb: RX1R II wins here, Q doesn’t have one
– Tilting LCD (for those who care): Q doesn’t have one
– Touch screen: Q wins here, Sony doesn’t have one
– WiFi: draw
– Manual controls: Q wins here, Sony has standard mode dial with aperture ring on the lens
– High ISO: we shall see, but Q is really good in this department
– Battery life: Q wins here
– Haptics: Q wins here (personal preference), Sony might be too small, macro ring next to focus ring (way too close)
– Shutter speed: Q allows you to shoot wide open in bright sunny day, Sony is limited to 1/4000
– Size & weight: for me Q is better, Sony a bit too small (I have largish hands)
correct me if I got something wrong
You can expect RX1Rii to have at lest as fast AF as the A7Rii.
Anyway, I don’t think you should expect the Leica Q to beat a Full Frame BSI sensor at high ISO. You would need to go to 12 Mp to do that.
Going through the library of my photos (for last 3 years), I have 26 shot at 6400 and a lot at 2000-4000 so high ISO doesn’t really bother me.
wonder if the 1.2 sigma teleconverter for the dp q would fit ? thats very high quality
Already dead with the Leica Q crushing the competition
What’s with the negative comments and price whining? Do us photographers wish it had a fruity logo on the front and glorify it as revolutionary? I can’t wait for that EOSHD Andrew guy to do a comparison iPhone vs Sony RX1RII with the outcome being the fruit company wins!
the fruit company also makes computers most photographers use to process photos. basically your comment is a negative comment on negative comments and unrelated fanboyism issues
It’s ok homey. Sorry that I hurt your feeling. Your reply is way off.
Lame
Wow I’m surprised at people who actually get so religiously sensitive about Apple iPhone or the Apple itself!!!!
In all fairness you were the instigator here. I don’t give two f**ks who makes my electronics. Right now I’m impressed with Sony photo and video, Apple phones and laptops, and with no-name desktops I can build myself using 15 different brands. Big corporations are the last type of entity to form an emotional loyalty to. I don’t think most people care as much as you do about this- with your goofy name calling and references to religion.
I’m so very very truly sorry if I hurt your feeling. What “goofy name calling” are you talking about? Darling You didn’t have to use the f word. The world has come to an end with someone like you.
You keep confusing who actually cares here. And it seems to be mostly you. You apologize to me like some campy old drag queen but I was just making a general statement. Maybe something was lost in your English translation because I don’t understand your last remark. Doesn’t matter. F— Apple, love Apple. Who cares.
When an arsh hole who keeps on fighting, arguing, now name calling then pretends to get confused! My goodness. go read a good book punk.
The fruit company may make the computer you use, but certainly not most.
Yea most
Most photographers? Oh ok. look who’s the biggest fanboy. My God folks. People get so mad easily.
I think this camera is pretty awesome. Compact, evf, 42mp ff sensor and a 35mm f2 zeiss lens….and people are complaining about the price? Do they realize what the equivalent of this as an interchangeable body+lens combo would cost (not to mention how much bigger that would be)? If you can’t afford it, there’s nothing wrong with getting the original RX1 used or a fuji x100t (mine is for sale now btw). I don’t find the RX1rII to be overpriced at all for what it’s bringing to the table.
As a happy RX1 user I’m VERY excited about the RX1RII. I’m sure it will be a great camera just like the RX1 … but the lack of 4K video is inexcusable in late 2015 (probably 2016 by the time they will be widely available). This camera should have been designed to record 4K video to the memory card and allow photographers to pull 4K stills (roughly 8+MP) directly from the 4K video footage in camera (just like the Panasonic 4K cameras).
I understand that this is first and foremost a classic photographic tool (that’s one of the reasons I love using the RX1 … simplicity), but 4K is changing the way many people think about still photography. I prefer to compose and capture still images in a traditional manner, but in 2016 I should have the “option” of shooting a 4K video clip of a once-in-a-lifetime moment and then be able to pull an individual high-res still frame out of that footage.
Bottom line, if there is no 4K then I’m not going to preorder and pay full retail price … I’ll wait another 12-18 months for the RX1RII to show up on the used camera market and buy it at a considerable discount. I’m not going to pay $3000 for extra megapixels and a pop-up EVF … not when my trusty RX1 is still delivering the goods.
For every user such as yourself, I think there is someone like me who could care less about 4k, or 4k stills from video. Not that theres anything wrong with that, but I like my images full frame, and I like my video on VHS.
totally agree. I don’t shoot video EVER. I don’t want to pay for it in my cameras but I really don’t have a choice anymore.
It literally costs more NOT to have video, these claims are bunk.
All mirror less and SLT cameras have to shoot video to function (if you want to see what you are shooting).
I don’t think a camera this small with the lens so close to the sensor could do 4k without severe heat issues, although I would be fine with 5min clips like the rx100m4. I really want this camera . I think this is the camera the rx1 should have been. I just don’t know how I feel about the camera eventually dying along with that beautiful 35mm attached to it. A good lens can last a life time but not a body like this. I need to win the lotto fast.
Yes 4K would be nice but I guess it’s a bridge too far, obviously some compromises come with the tiny form factor. Hopefully the 1080P will be high quality, but this is primarily a stills camera. I can think of no other camera this size that can produce the image quality of this gem.
If the 4K is same as a7rII, then this camera is as powerful as a7rII bar the IBIS, which is a shame it doesn’t come with this…
It wouldn’t be a bridge too far. I’d love to be able to film my work with this camera if I can. Most of my work is done in the 35mm FOV so having one camera doing stills and photos is great.
HA! I’m totally getting this!
That pop up EVF, though….I don’t know.
But uncompressed RAW? Yes, please!
There are no samples from Sony at f2. My guess is that the lens is suffering now from the high-res sensor more than it did in the original RX1.
I would love Sony to come up with their own wide and tele converters or, should that fail, with RX1-50mm and RX1 -24mm .
I agree if there were quality 24mm and 50mm converters, this camera would become VERY interesting, but still very expensive especially since those converters would likely put this package at $4000 or more.
Leica Q: $4250 – 24mp and blah blah.
RX1rII: $3200 + $400 per converter (expensive, but lets say $400 and you buy two) = =$4,000 for 3 FOVs and 42mp, 4K blah blah.
Not too bad.
No 4K here
No 4K. Many ppl here are complaining about that.
I just got that… still good deal, no?
Sure, just saying it has no 4K. For many it will be a deal-breaker
forget the converters and simply add an easily programmable crop mode for 52mm / 70 or 90mm plenty of room on that sensor for that.
Then that pretty much defeats the whole point of a high resolution high megapixel camera. I can crop in post easy enough if wanted that.
no one need 42mp with this overheating hobby toy with no real lens..
sony go make a A99II not so stupid sh*t !!
No one, or just not you?
Just him.
I’ll be willing to get 2 of these and replace my 2 RX1s
I’ll get this to replace my EOS M10.
He means resolution is useless without a lens that can resolve it. I guess it is obvious.
2015 has become one of those years of the mid-2000’s when there was a resolution-race because of marketing purposes. First Oly, then Canon, now Sony… some people stil showing off their cellphones because the MP count in then, thinking that it is all that matters.
Lens resolution is higher than sensor resolution, even today. Ever heard of technical-pan? If you developed that film properly, you would find lp/mm figures higher than sensor resolution today.
Every lens resolves more when more mp are available to resolve.
Whether those lenses resolve more ACROSS the frame, that’s another thing altogether.
Film dependent on the silver salt particle count instead of a pixel matrix, I helieve a 135 100 ISO film has a particle count about 12 million per film,
But since they have irregular shape, they express a bit more information than those square pixels on sensor, I’m guessing about 20mp?
Around 15-25 mp (depending on what negative film we are talking about) is what I was reading on comparative charts 10-15 years ago. ‘fcourse we are talking about “lame” 135 format, as square 120 was roughly the triple of that.
Do you know the resolution of a still film frame in terms of megapixels?
Yet somehow d810, 5ds and a7r2 all has the best performing sensor in respect company
Also, even the $30 YN50mm f1.8 is good enough with a7r2, especially at aperture not wide open
What a stupid a$$ comment. For one this isn’t an ILC ‘with no real lens’ please! ‘Overheating hobby toy’ overheating where? What is this nonsense you are spewing?
that “not-real lens” you write about is one of the sweetest pieces of glass I have ever shot with and I’ve been doing this stuff since the 60’s.
My manual focus crapped out on year 2, but yeah awesome lens otherwise
and that “not-real lens” you write about is the best 35mm lens ever tested on all of the major review website labs.
Tried this 35/2 (as long as fake zeiss distagon 35/1.4) in one day vs my Summilux 35 asph fle and was not impressed. Sharpness was more than enough in all cases, but the rendion was somewhat boring with all fake zeisses. Not to mention the AF without a touchscreen was too hard to use and of course AF on RX1 was useless 🙂
Ton of rumors about ton of products these last months, but no one expected this one coming this soon. Let’s hope Sony is reserving some other surprises in the next weeks to come.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!
ok
I have to laugh when I read comments from people about this being a lame camera because it doesn’t have 4K, or, about this lens not being able to resolve the resolution of the processor. Or about it “only” having an f2 lens.
I honestly don’t think these people have ever used a full frame camera before.
I wasted a lot of money on cameras with smaller sensors, including micro 4/3, to achieve the effect that I can now achieve from my Sony A7rii.
First of all, an f2 lens on a full frame camera is probably the equivalent of an f1.4 lens on a micro 4/3 camera in terms of subject isolation and bokeh.
Secondly, this camera is a different animal then the big bodied interchangeable lens cameras.
As much as I love my A7rii, I really want a camera that is with me at all times that is radically better then my brand-new iPhone. I think this will be that camera.
And, back to the whole issue of 4K – even my crappy Go Pro has 4K. That doesn’t mean that the video that comes from it looks good. It still looks like crap. This video will look stellar because it is from a full frame camera and a beautiful lens. The video that comes from this camera will blow away anything that comes from the 1 inch sensor of the Rx100iv.
And what does it mean when people talk about resolving resolution? Again, this has no real bearing on real world shooting. I have been shooting the Canon 85 mm f1.2 lens on my Sony. The images that come out of that lens are breathtaking. I have never seen a lens produce images with that kind of character and melting backgrounds. What difference does it make it it’s about a 20-year-old design? I am hanging 50-year-old Carl Zeiss lenses off the end of my Sony with beautifully artistic effects.
This is a grab and go camera. If you don’t want this as a second camera, or a grab and go camera, don’t get it. Get the big body and buy lots of lenses.
Lastly, if you have never shot the new A7rii and experienced what the things like continuous eye autofocus or lock on autofocus can offer, don’t even comment on autofocus. You do not know what you’re talking about. This is some hard-core technology that is very useful when you areout shooting in very challenging scenarios.
This will be a wicked street shooter. This will most likely be what I’ve wanted to walk around with every waking moment- a FULL FRAME, super compact camera.
You sir, deserve a medal.
A great combo for travel would be this cam or an older version and an RX100 i-4.
One has the awesome sensor and lens, the little guy has the zoom when you need it.
You sir, deserve a medal.
You rock!
🙂
“I wasted a lot of money on cameras with smaller sensors, including micro 4/3,”…..
I stopped reading after that. M43 is anything but a waste of money and I shoot it all.
Here you go. You’re welcome:
http://admiringlight.com/blog/sony-a7r-ii-vs-a7-ii-print-test/
I use M43 extensively, because of some the excellent compact tele glass. Nevertheless the second hand value of M43 glass is terrible. I’m seeing the 75/1.8 being sold on eBay for $400. That is scary stuff.
“First of all, an f2 lens on a full frame camera is probably the equivalent of an f1.4 lens on a micro 4/3 camera in terms of subject isolation and bokeh.” No it is actually the equivalent of f/1.0.
The fact that “you lost of lot of money on M43 before having bokeh effect on your A7RII” shows you know nothing about photography.
Anyway
Why would you be such a prick?
I was LEARNING about photography. I drank the m43 kook aid and went that route. Now I’m using full frame exclusively.
I was sharing my experience.
Taking a pot shot at me like that is totally uncool. It’s something you would never do in person.
2 stop difference, not one.
Still Waiting for a 50 mm Version or a Zoom Variant with a 2.8-4.0 lense. I just Want the Leaf shutter in a Camera with more than 35 mm in FF Mount for Shooting Portraits , Fashion , Faces . First Company whi doing that in FF is getting My Money :))
I’m still waiting for the Delorean mark II.
I am afraid every camera purchase will be a waste in your case.
What could that possibly mean? Do you just write insults to hurt other people? If you have an actual intelligent point to make them why not make that? Instead, you hide behind some anonymous potshot.
I meant your photos are crap. Give us a link to laugh at them.
I disagree with your sentiment about M43 and bokeh. To clarify I use several M43 and A7-series cameras side by side.
Back in the days of the PEN E-P1 and E-P2, M43 was the best compact system on the market. Files were ok, and with the right lenses plenty of bokeh was to be had. 12/2, 20/1.7, 25/1.4 and 75/1.8 are all really good.
The problem was the sensor, and they promised sensors would get better fast. The typical “in a few years sensor technology will catch up”.
Well, it didn’t.
The E-M5/E-P5 sensor was HORRIBLE. I hate the files coming out of those cameras. The E-M1 Panasonic sensor is mildly better but still terrible. The digital look of these sensors is killing me.
So yeah, A7ii + Loxia or 35/2.8 beats the crap out of anything M43 in all respects. But that doesn’t make the M43 gear a waste of money. I sold plenty of images shot on my PEN cameras.
I actually agree with you totally. While I wasn’t satisfied with what I could achieve with m43, I shot some really beautiful images with that format. I took an olympus em5ii on a week-long rafting trip on the Yampa and got amazing shots.
What exactly was horrible about the EP5 sensor? My only complaint was two things:
1) Highlight detail was certainly harder to recover than Sony sensors- not horrible, but you have less room for error ofcourse.
2) Greens. This is an Olympus thing. They’re to saturated and have a bit of a bluish tint- you can fix that easily ofcourse and set adjustments in camera even when shooting RAW.
Noise doesn’t bother me. I find Olympus renders noise…IMO…better than Sony. More- yes, but better rendition of that noise.
How does the EVF work, you pop it up, then stick on the eye piece, and reverse the 2-step process when done? Seems not too practical.
To those complaining about the lack of 4k, my guess is that over-heating in this tiny body running 4k is the reason for leaving it out.
the eye piece is optional, if you had experience on RX100M3 before you know how easy that is.
Not the same. With the RX100M3, it’s all contained within camera. Just pop up evf, extend, and shoot.
Here, it seems there is a floating eye-piece cup that you have to store separately. Really hope some reviews of this camera come out soon so we can see how much of an annoyance or non-issue it actually is.
No you should put your eye directly on the top of the camera then hit the evf button.
As lalala said, the eyepiece is more in case you want the EVF permanently opened, or opened over a long session.
If you want it to remain compact and only use EVF occasionally, it’s fine without the eyepiece.
…and extra high protection after all when used permanently used .
Stick it out, stick it on – aaaaand the shot is gone.
Will there be firmware updates?
Can you imagine in few years when producing the current FF sensors get cheap enough… A sub $1000 RX1S with all the A7sII tech with the size of a NEX7.
My a77II is pocketable…what gives?
You must have some gigantic pockets!
Still stalking you, waiting for opportunity to SMASH your ouny cam!
Maybe this really IS the new A99II, all you need is to pry this lens off somehow, then weld an LA-EA4 adapter to the body and voila! you have yourself a new A-mount camera – it’s got a mirror, it’s got interchangeable lens mount, it’s got a new full frame sensor, it’s got an EVF, it’s professionally priced….what more could you ask for?
And that would be better than an A7R II because….?
“Because Hurr durr A-mount!”
This is getting autistic already.
Fun, I guess?
Sony’s first most expensive camera? That should be the headline.
I have shot $100,000+ Sony cameras, I’m sorry you can’t afford it, but it is far from the most expensive.
sony has cameras that expensive? are they for hollywood flicks?
Yep and broadcast, Sony has been the leader in Pro video for about 30 years.
You don’t have to purchase them in order to use them. Students and those in the motion picture union use and rent broadcast equipment and motion picture equipment all the time.
I give up! What model you mentioned that cost $100,000+? You think I implicated those cinema video cameras? You shouldn’t judge others of what they can afford or unable to afford because you don’t know jack.
Don’t worry. It was just a rental, and someone else paid for it and he was not the DP and that camera is outclassed by an a7s today.
For those asking for this to be cheaper – One interesting note is that this is NOT the RX1 II it is the RX1’R’ II. If there was only going to be one RX1 II there would be no need for the ‘R’ in it’s model name.
I suspect (completely obviously) Sony is working on an new ‘entry level’ FF sensor to replace the ageing 24MP sensor. This will land in the new A7 III most likely. This sensor is probably bound for a RX1 II at some point as well. AND maybe the A99 II.
The RX1 has obviously been delayed and the A99 II (if it is ever coming) has been as well. Likely due to this new sensor. And before people get into an A99 II with 42MP, sorry, I don’t think that is the sensor bound for the A99 II where SPEED is important. This is the SAME reason the 36MP sensor never made it in to the A99, not because Sony wanted to punish their users like many seem to want to believe.
RX1 was merged into this one because of the variable low pass filter.
Difference between RX1 and RX1R more comparable to D800 and D800E, IMHO.
Like the D810 was… But like the D810 there would be no need for a suffix, if this is the only model there is no need for a (R)esoltuion variant any more. R on the RX1 was only without AA, but on the others it has a higher res sensor. It is plausible that would also be the case for a RX1 II. Also the A7S didn’t come out until after the others as the sensor wasn’t ready yet, I suspect the same deal here.
..or melted
Girls and guys…when i mentioned about iPhone or Apple products in the comment why do we get so religiously offended or so emotionally sensitive about it. come on folks if you love your camera iPhone that’s fine.
That’s just the way the internet is. You’ll probably receive the same amount of flak for mentioning anything about Android and Microsoft. Don’t think about it too much.
It’s not about Apple or Microsoft or fanboyism. It’s about wrong statements.
So that’s the point. So what’s wrong about the statement. Didn’t you just say something good or bad about a particular camera brand with the word S at the front?
Statements like “…glorify it as revolutionary…” in regard to a company that actual revolutionized the market several times is as clueless and unreasonably negative as it sounds.
I use Apple computers, but I’m far from an Apple fanboy. To me it is no surprise that many are sensitive about your comment.
It reminded me a little to Steve Ballmer’s tensioned laughters about the iPhone immediately after it’s release in 2007.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U
Wide angle/tele adapter is a way better idea.
Again, not necessarily for everyone. Equipment takes space and costs more.
Battery life and data transfer : sony , you are familiar by now with qualcomm fast charge 3.0 with your xperia z3 and 5 . WHY NOT IMPLEMENT THAT TECHNOLOGY IN YOUR WORST BATTERY LIFE OF YOUR CAMERAS ? 2.) I am very disappointed in such camera there is no usb-c port for transferring data 15x faster than the current usb 2.0 . for high pixilation data files it is a must . with such expensive camera we are going to stuck three years with micro usb before the RX1R IV appearance .
Guys, what are you crying about? get an extra 2 batteries!
USB-C? who use the camera to transfer data? get a card reader
Usb type C doesn’t just allow for much faster data transfer, it also works as an HDMI/DP cable, eliminating the need for a seperate port. It also ups power capacity from 0.5A(usb 2.x, what is on sony devices) or 0.9A(usb 3.0, like the GS5) to 5A, allowing for much faster charging. Not exactly 10x due to battery charging limitations, but close.
…because that tech IS FOR QUALCOMM CHIPS ONLY.
As for USB 3.0, the data transfer speed would still be limited by the memory card.
The lens look like the same with rx1r. Carl zeiss changed logo to Zeiss in recent years. This is still Carl Zeiss… Looks like Sony has some old stock. Still 1/2000s, no built-in ND like RX100/RX10, macro switch ring is still close to focus ring and could mishandle easily… They just said they learned a lot from past success?
Pentax had a variable low-pass filter, too www. imaging-resource. com/PRODS/pentax-k3/pentax-k3SELECTIVE_LPF. HTM . It works differently, but worlds first?
I think Pentax were the first with in-body stabilisation too.
Minolta?
the 41mpx 808 pureview has a low pass filter + nd filter built in
No it doesn’t have a variable low pass filter IMO. It use IBIS to shake the image slightly to ‘simulate’ a low pass filter.
Wheter it’s vibrations or an optical solution. Both are low-pass filters!
High frequencies are filtered out. Low frequencies are passed…
The Pentax solution is better because it doesn’t loose light, causing no reflections, causing no color shifts (assumption) and allows for 0% interference when off. Lastly it is usable with all existing lenses, whereas Sony needs to calculate this massive optical element into the lens design for optimal results.
The result counts for me (unless it was gotten by chance). I work in turbulence theory+modelling and simulation. We use low-pass filtering a lot. We can achieve it directly or indirectly, but we know, what the results is that we want to achieve. Both ways are counted as low-pass filtering. But one can have a different opinion of course.
I think you need the results verified before being able to claim it’s a proper equal. I haven’t used Pentax so I can’t do that for you.
But I imagine Pentax’s low pass filter trick has the same limitations as their high resolution sensor shifting: non-moving subjects.
Thanks, but you don’t need to do this for me. There are review sites which looked into this. It still is in my opinion an earlier approach to OLPF than Sony’s. Sony’s advantage is most probably noiseless operation making it suitable for video, too.
So, do these reviewers actually claim Pentax’s method is equal to traditional low pass filters?
Does it work on subjects that are not a motionless rock?
Dave Etchells of imaging-resource thinks it to be revolutionary (at the time of publication), something he doesn’t say quite often. One doesn’t have to agree with him. Could you explain, why at a typical shutter-speed you use for lenses without VR (like many Canikon lenses we use successfully) we should expect a fail here? Dpreview demonstrates that it works: www. dpreview. com/reviews/pentax-k-3/11 . I see an improvement compared to the picture with AA-filter off and.
It’s because I heard people say the high resolution sensor shifting only works on motionless subjects. This feature you’re boasting seems to work from the same principle, so it’s fair to assume they share each others limitations.
The samples you posted, both the test lab and the real world one, didn’t have the subjects in motion. So I can’t conclude anything from them.
According to the manual, the shutter speed should stay slower than 1/1000th s, then it can be switched on and off at will. So it seems that there is no limitation to stationary subjects. Even if it were so, it would still be the first implementation of a technology providing a selective low pass filter I know of.
As Brendon pointed out, it is by definition not a filter, so it cannot be “the first filter”. You may call it a low pass filter effect, or something like it, but a movement of the sensor isn’t a filter.
The only reason I entertained your argument was because you claimed results matter over definition, which I actually agree with. I just question whether your results are all that good. Because I doubt your method can ever be as good as the traditional low pass filter for all subjects.
Don’t agree to the first part. What is a filter by definition and in this context? Remember, we didn’t limit it to optical filters here, as the headline is very general here speaking of variable low-pass filter. I do science using filters, directly, or indirectly. We often use them indirectly by modifying a method not, at the first glance being a direct filter. Modifying them on purpose you achieve a filtering effect getting rid of certain frequencies or wave numbers. Because of this we define filters in a wider fashion you do here (as I read it you only accept glass).
The headline isn’t very general at all. The headline strictly says “World’s first variable low-pass filter”. There is very well established definition of what a low-pass filter is among photographers, and a sensor shaking isn’t it.
It’s purely marketing speech to claim it as a filter when it’s just the sensor shaking.
Then we should agree to disagree.
I don’t think it’s a good idea to agree with what Pentax marketing wants you to believe.
Well then, whom should we agree with, Sony?
Sony marketing makes certain claims about timing, this is more in the innocent department.
Pentax marketing is trying to claim a shaking sensor is a filter, this claim is more severe, like claiming something is a lemon, when it’s really an orange. This immediately make alarm bells ring in my head, and I start to question the performance on fast moving subjects, etc.
I think this is a healthy concern to have.
As it is written in the manual that 1/1000 is the minimum shutter speed, shooting moving objects shouldn’t be a problem (unless you want to remove moire in racing cars ;-)). IBIS works at higher shutter speeds too, isn’t it? As to lemon vs. orange. Mechanical filters exist, e.g. https://en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Mechanical_filter . Similarly here. Same purpose, just different approach. Easy to understand.
You’re throwing a lot of dishonest fallacies on me right now, might want to reconsider that.
– Your Pentax manual is part of Pentax marketing, its claims doesn’t alter anything.
– Traditional low-pass filters have no problem with racing cars, so if you want to claim you are their equal, you must be able to emulate theme fully, or you will just become another marketing blunder.
– IBIS works against your “speed” your hand is shaking at, not against the speed of your subject.
– Your mechanical filter is still more of a filter than your sensor shaking will ever be.
Where am I dishonest? I didn’t say this filter is superior to an optical one. To the contrary, I said somewhere here that it will introduce noise, for example, making it less suitable for video. I don’t care whether the manual is marketing or not (I never considered a manual marketing). It is just written that it works up to 1/1000th of a second. Doesn’t negate the fact that it works like a filter in that range. Why is it a problem to just accept that there are different ways to implement filters. The IBIS-approach from Pentax is exactly fulfilling the purpose a filter would: blocking a band of wavenumbers. Why should it matter _how_ we do it?
“I don’t care whether the manual is marketing or not. It is just written that it works up to 1/1000th of a second”
See, the moment you take up this stance, is the moment you no longer believe results matter over definition. At this point, we fully disagree.
Results matter. If you cannot bring the full result of a traditional filter, yet still insist your sensor shaking is a filter, at that point, you’ve willingly become victim of Pentax marketing.
“Why should it matter _how_ we do it?”
It doesn’t matter how we do it. I’ve told you that I base my opinion on results.
Results do matter, but the only results you’ve given me are some data from Pentax manual (marketing), and two pictures with 0 moving subjects.
It is getting ridiculous. You are moving the goal-posts all the time. Your quote” “There is very well established definition of what a low-pass filter is among photographers, and a sensor shaking isn’t it.” ( a very general exclamation ruling it out for _every_ application, including stills).
Then now you write: “It doesn’t matter how we do it. I’ve told you that I base my opinion on results.”. The results DPreview shows, clearly show low-pass filtering.There are plenty of you-tube videos showing it, too and confirming the 1/1000 shutter speed. So why on earth shouldn it be possible to shoot a walking person at 1/500th, for example? To prove you wrong, it doesn’t matter if the subject is moving (see your statements above). I don’t see a point arguing with you further.
“The results DPreview shows, clearly show low-pass filtering.There are plenty of you-tube videos showing it, too and confirming the 1/1000 shutter speed.”
Just because Dpreview gave you two screenshots of still subjects, and just because it’s technically possible at that shutter speed, it doesn’t mean the results are usable at that shutter speed.
You’ve given absolutely nothing but useless conjecture, and you expect me to believe in your Pentax marketing.
This is dangerous thing to do, and I wouldn’t advice it.
As for my quotes, they talk about different things. I accept results, but if you can’t prove the results, you have to prove the definition. And even this you fail at.
You are contradicting your own question. The result is hardly your query. Your query was whether this was the first camera which has a variable low pass filter.
In this case the filter itself changes to give the desired output.
The K3 achieves this effect with IBIS and has NO low pass filter.
Hence the RX1r II IS the ONLY camera with variable low pass filter.
Really? Pentax has a variable low pass filter (many sources write that, too, so it is not just me). It does so with IBIS contrary to the Sony installation. Pentax doesn’t have an _optical_ low pass filter, but the thread has variable-low pass filter in its headline. The effect is similar. What is a filter by definition? You said it doesn’t have one because IBIS doesn’t count for you. I say it doesn’t matter how you achieve it. The desired result is what counts.
A filter means glass. No glass no filter ! :p
Thats why there is a difference between a D800E which has its low pass filter cancelled by another filter and the D810 which has NO low pass filter at all.
Where is it written that filters are solely related to glass? Installing a technology to blur the image on purpose, thereby removing a certain band of wave numbers (exactly the same purpose an optical filter has) is a (mechanical) filter for me.
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/k-3/
Here you go! Pentax itself claims its AA filter free. Now go and argue with Pentax cause they themselves say there is no filter.
Sony however has a filter and claims it is the first in the world to be variable.
Pentax disagrees with you by saying it has no AA filter. I
“Based on the design scheme that puts priority on image resolution, it is designed without an optical AA (anti-aliasing) filter”
I know, no _optical_ low-pass filter, or in other words, no _permanent_ filter. I see it in a more general sense, which you are free to disagree.
Ok then go and file a suit in court against Sony for misleading claims.
You can win millions of dollars if you can prove in court that Sony is wrong.
But obviously you are right only in your head. No court will ever accept that Sony is wrong with its statement.
Wow, thin skin man. I just made a remark regarding the headline here. You don’t need to come to Sony’s rescue. Indeed, Sony speaks of selective optical low pass filtering. The headline I referred to sensationalizes it to first variable-low pass filter. There are different ways of how to generate a filter, _not_ just one. You should write a scientific paper making it through peer-review which says only optical low-pass filters are true filters. If that is accepted I happily follow your logic.
Look i don’t care about Sony. They are a multimillion dollar company. My point is simple if you feel you are correct then sue them and get some money out of them.
My point is you are dead wrong and suing them will gain you nothing.
Sony’s statement is technically 100% correct. The spirit of the statement may not be accurate but technically it is 100% correct.
If you can prove them wrong in a court you will gain lots of money and make them look stupid.
I have no interest in suing anyone. Again, I don’t question it to be the first selective _optical_ filter, but to be the first selective filter in general. For _me_ and some others knowing a lot about technology like D. Etchels, the Pentax technology fulfills every requirement of a selective filter: it provides a means to block a band of wavenumbers. It provides three modes (like Sony’s). Tell me: if you didn’t know how they achieved it, simply looking at the resulting pictures, wouldn’t you say it must have a low pass filter applied, as the small scales are blurred on purpose?
I don’t think physically vibrating a sensor counts as a “filter.” It might emulate one, but that’s a pretty janky way to do it.
Well, as an RX1 owner, all i wanted was faster more accurate af (check!), Wifi and apps (check!), titling lcd (check!), and I still wanted option evf for size reasons (check!). The only extra thing id want (and its a personal choice) is probably ~30mm lens (I find 35mm a bit too long for walkabout), and an S version rather than an R version. Looks good! Shame they didnt go curved sensor though.
where does the eyepiece sock go when you have the EVF down?
Can’t Sony make *one* camera just for photos? Of all of them, this is the one to do it with. And the bi***ing and moaning I imagine when it overheats while trying to shoot 5 minute clips of 4K in its tiny chassis. Please, let up on the 4K bawling for just one model.
There’s no way this is going to be your primary camera if you are actually in the market to buy one. And if you are in this buyer demographic, you shouldn’t have a problem picking up a 4K camera that has an interchangeable lens or built in zoom.
A fixed focal length doesn’t make as much sense for video as it does for photo, IMHO.
Where is it quoted that it does 4K ?
How does the ability to save the video feed to the LCD/EVF in 4K or only 2k resolutions affect your (or anyone’s) ability to shoot photos, quality or otherwise?
It’s the principle of it. Even though the Df was an overall a failure for Nikon, it was a nice effort. All I do is shoot video, so it’s nice to see a camera just be a camera for once- instead of the everything-to-everyone, under-every-critic’s-nose, Swiss Army multimedia sideshow.
Though I’m sure Sony would have included video if they could have engineered it into the small body. Given the heat problems the larger a7rII has with 4K video, it probably wasn’t feasible. So you can take solace in that I guess.
so basically according to those pictures that “low pass filter” is just built in noise reduction app .
it makes the picture looks less sharp and with slightly less color ..no ty ..rather use dxo auto correction for that one .
paying so much for a camera,this type of camera is truly insane .
i would choose the a6000 superb and cheap class any day of the week . and with a slight PP ..even the hardest of shots becomes a pro one.
a6000 has a low pass filter.
You did not look at the pictures very carefully. The low pass filter is optical, you can vary the voltage that runs through it via the settings and this varies the strength of the filtration. It is not a digital filter or app.
Built in ND Filter would have been cooler no?
Or polarizer!
or both
Both built in ND and polarizer would be extraordinarily useful on any camera actually.
That variable LPF is rather blue. I wonder how much light does it transmit, in terms of the ISO loss, if any?
Come back when AF on E-Mount is as fast as SLT one – and we’ll talk again about… autistic things. xD
Guys, it’s variable “optical” low pass filter, whereas the pentax’s is shaking the sensor a bit, it’s completely different.
The RX1 is great and stuff … but, man, so much expensive! What about a smaller RX100-like with a prime? Maybe APS-C?
All major announcements in the last couple of weeks were ridicules priced: A7RII 3.500 €, A7SII 3.300 €, RX1RII 3.500 €, Otus 28/1.4 prop. 4.000 €, Zeiss Milvus line 1.100-1.800 € … even the Zeiss Loxia 21/2.8 for 1.500 €. What about some nice <1.000 € stuff? The A7 series (and the A6000) once were a low priced full frame entry – and with the A7II still is.
I'm not envy that so many of you seam to be fortune enough to buy those expensive gadgets every once in a while. But I wonder what this all is about and where Sony wants to head for. On one side we have affordable, small and great cameras, even cheap ones. On the other hand, we have giant lenses, expensive cameras with just the right useful upgrades (PD-AF on A7rII but not on A7II; wire-focus/-zoom on RX100 vs. RX1) to make the reasonable choice a bad one and no real progress from where we started (what reasonable new options do A7/II/A6000 owners have?). It comes to the point where I don't care about Sony anymore and do my own thing, seek for 3rd party solutions and open my options again. That is pretty bad for a brand, right.
Also, like one said below, Sony did nothing for the 30th A-mount anniversary. And if an niche product like this RX1RII can exist, why not an A-mount – at least for the 30th anniversary, even for the last time. Sony did not show any respect to their legacy. It feels quite offensive, especially for a Japanese company.
I owned the Rx1 for a about 2 years. Now owning a Leica Q I can say the AF of the Leica is on point …every time…even in Low light. The only thing that would make me switch the the new Sony Rx-1 II would be at least the same AF-Speed as the Q. But I doubt that it will be that good. I hope I will be wrong as everything else including the 35mm lens speaks for the Sony IMO.
No 4k though~
No overheating.
What? No overheating? Than it’s a no go! Cant’t be a real Sony. 😀
Thanks to the Leica Q, this now seems like a bargain. Sigh.
Errrm…..
I know. I know. I spent a day with the Q and wept when it had to go… So fun to use. This won’t be the same. And FUN is the spec to obsess about…
It always was and you knew it would have always been. Anything compared to Leica is always a bargain.
I also spent an entire day with the Q. I was on a Thorsten Overgaard workshop in NYC. While borrowing it I swore to myself that I would NOT do something crazy and purchase it. 28mm is just to wide for me. Totally individual preference, I know. And, the in-camera crop thing is silly to me.
Regardless, it seems to take unique images. Really saturated. Here are a couple of shots.
Nowhere. That’s not what he meant. He’s talking to all the 4k moaners who bash the camera for having no 4k.
It gets crushed after you retract the EVF for the first time. The remaining pieces of debris you can simply put in the trashcan or, even better, return it to Sony for recycling. 😉
Dreaming costs nothing.
You have to wear it.
The sonnar lens is more like 32mm. It is widely known to be wider than a 35mm, which I can confirm because I am an RX1 owner too.
That means he is more like an 28mm guy.
If they bring out an S version, I would probably buy it.
BTW: You should try out a Ricoh GR.
Still waiting for the RX1R2SM2…
Specs say “Digital” image stabilization. What is that?
It’s for video only.
So, applied to video, how well does it work compared to a floating sensor (IBIS)?
Man, I drool over this camera but not having IBIS is kinda odd. I have gotten so used to that with the A7rii and A7ii.
far less heat, far less electronics required and no need for all the extra space for the actuators.
Plus Sony has been doing this and refining it for over 10 years so….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZWrsyUAok
Same tech.
My goodness but this ticks a lot of boxes for me, if its performance measures up I am in
I hope it has a 4mp Jpeg option and performs ace in Professional mode, otherwise it’s review won’t be better than the A7r II’s.
Canon 5d III still has the best Professional mode, Sony can’t compete
I know this is a joke, but you could have phrased it differently. No one is going to believe “Sony can’t compete.” Sony IS competing. So, that’s not funny. It’s just silly.
If you want to antagonize, say something like “Canon 5d III is still far better, because the huge size is more impressive to wedding clients, easier to grip, and packs in more electronics. And, it’s better for sports photography.”
See?
Exactly my thoughts. I like to phrase more provocatively = more traffic ya know 🙂
hehe
And badass username btw. Wish I had thought of that.
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Whether it is a better solution is totally irrelevant.
The question was whether this was the first camera to have a variable low pass filter and the answer is yes as the K3 lacks ANY low pass filter.
Whether the technology is better or not is a completely different discussion.
Sorry no. It is called variable low-pass filter by Pentax, Dpreview, imaging-resource,….. and many more and many scientists I know including me would define it like that, too. I could think of optical, mechanical, chemical,… filters. As long as they have the _same_ purpose, they can be called filter.
Great points, Mondo. I posted a couple of pics above. Can you show some shots out of your Q?
What made my heart sink? Why oh why did Sony not make the screen fully articulating? Video blogging is so hot and its tricky to not be able to see yourself and make sure you are in-focus and framed up properly.
RX100iv- selfie screen, no external audio
RX10ii- external audio, no selfie screen
RX1rii- external audio, no selfie screen
DOH!
The only Vlogger that could afford something like the RX1 is the PewDiePie.
Uff, seems that UK price is only £300 less than Leica Q. At least according to this article http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/round-ups/camera_comparisons/sony-rx1-r-ii-vs-leica-q-typ-116-63084
Thanks a LOT. All that did was made me barf! :-))
Disqus just totally sucks. Impossible now to find my comments from a day ago and see the replies and discussion. Scroll to end of page, hit ‘show more’, search, scroll to end, hit ‘show more’, search… and the Disqus.com web site is no use at all. What a lousy system that every blog is now using.
Fuq Disqus!
More comments than a7r2 announcement?!
if the af is fast enough I will buy it asap. waiting for the reviews.
This camera makes no sense at all. Get the A7R2 if you are looking to invest $3k+ on camera equipment. Is already a great compact system. Want to go even smaller? Go for Fuji’s X100 or Panasonic’s LX100.
Fujifilm X100 = 126mm x 75mm
Panasonic LX100 = 115mm x 66mm
RX1Rii = 113,3mm x 65,4mm
This Sony full frame is even smaller than the cameras you suggested.
That really is astounding! I am getting ready to put the Fuji on eBay and I had no idea that the Sony is that small. Really looking forward to carrying that around with me.
Bookmark this page, this is probably where the first user samples will be. https://flic.kr/g/rp7re
Sony menus are worse than my website layout
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mines also!
In the last few months, almost all Sony cameras that were announced cost more than $2000. I guess guess I’m done with Sony now.
:-)))
Classic.
Dang it!!!! Now I’m going to be up for the next 24 hours watching that guy. :-p
love to see RX1 successor but 42mp is overkill to me, i will wait for 24mp with lower price 🙂
The PewDiePie is so fabulous, you need to have “the” before his name.